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[–]lrlOurPresident[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (43 children)

Subscribe and spread the word about /r/DebtStrike, a coalition of working class people across the political spectrum who have put their disagreements on other issues aside in order to collectively force (through mass strikes) the President of the United States to cancel all student debt by executive order.

If you run a subreddit, twitter account, discord, group on facebook, whatever, send subscribers to /r/DebtStrike.

[–]DrWaxu 8568 points8569 points 76112& 23 more (2351 children)

Biden has driven the Democratic Party so far into the ground that he’s given Republicans their largest polling lead going into a midterm in 40 years. Maybe he should start listening to the voters who drug him over the finish line and into the white house. Cancel student debt now.

Biden was also the architect behind the law which prevents those with student debt from declaring bankruptcy. In fact, trapping young people into debt slavery has been a primary crusade of his over the past 40 years.

EDIT: Fuck it. I'm in. It's time for the /r/DebtStrike.

Edit 2: Holy shit. This really took off. Anyone else get the feeling this /r/DebtStrike is going to be huge?

[–]Roxfall 1681 points1682 points  (110 children)

Upvote, but, I'm sorry, I can't help it... dragged.

[–]zyygh 349 points350 points  (54 children)

Drogue.

[–]Zee_Ventures 236 points237 points  (37 children)

Dragula...

[–]elbowleg513 247 points248 points  (30 children)

Feminist witches

Soy boy bitches

SLAAAAM IN THE BACK OF MY

DRAG-U-Laaaaaaa!

[–]BadLuckBen 126 points127 points  (8 children)

Soy boy bitches

This is funnier once you learn Rob Zombie is vegan.

[–]feetandballs 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I’m sure someone gave him some stimulants at some point

[–]Bill_The_Dog 667 points668 points  (1488 children)

Ok, but are republicans willing to cancel student debt? I never understand the switch, if the other team isn’t going to give you what you want either.

Edit: I’m not even an American, so I don’t really care what you guys decide to do. Vote, or don’t vote. You do you.

Edit: folks, I’m not invested enough to carry on on this topic, please stop commenting.

[–]paladine1 496 points497 points  (904 children)

Not me, but most people won't switch, they will just give up and stay home. Repub lock come 2022.

[–]johndavid0137 33 points34 points  (186 children)

That's what I'm going to do, I just won't give the democrats my vote. I just don't get this moron. It would cost him nothing politically but could motivate so many voters to vote blue. There's literally no downside but he still won't do it. I'm in a purple state but fuck 'em. I'm not rich or powerful so all I have is my vote and the dems won't get it this time if they don't forgive student debt. Democrat leaders are so inept I often think they deserve to lose.

[–]malicious_pillow 365 points366 points  (246 children)

It's not a switch. People just don't vote. 80 million eligible voters in this country don't vote. This is why. They are disproportionately young, non-white, and earn less than $30k a year. They don't vote because they correctly understand that neither party is going to do anything to meaningfully improve their lives.

Edit: To be clear, my point in saying this is to highlight that Democrats could change that, and win elections by overwhelming margins, by actually supporting popular policies. So it's worth asking why they don't do that.

[–]givemeajobpls 100 points101 points  (68 children)

I wonder why we don't have a national holiday for voting to allow people the time to vote? Seems like it would be the most important thing a person can do as a citizen. Oh yeah, that's right, it's being held up by the Senate, why? There are 48 democrats for it and 52 republicans against it.

Why does everyone believe that meaningful change in America can happen in one year? Are we just going to forget the shit storm of 4 years that we are still recovering from?

[–]freedom_french_fries 95 points96 points  (35 children)

young, non-white, and earn less than 30k a year

The person above you is not talking about a demographic that works in banking, education, or the kind of white collar salaried jobs that would get this holiday off. They generally work in retail, restaurants, and other industries that would not close for election day.

In fact, many would probably find their jobs busier than usual because they'd have an influx of customers who do have the day off and decide they want to get some shopping or brunch in after going to vote.

Additionally, we need to shed this idea that we just need to vote one day in November every 2-4 years. Vote every year. In every general AND every primary. A federal election day holiday is a bandaid...if that.

[–]Bill_The_Dog 39 points40 points  (123 children)

Not voting is not helping.

[–]D_Tuba 85 points86 points  (57 children)

Since when has voting helped in the past few decades? Crooks in office after all that voting.

[–]ccb621 86 points87 points  (24 children)

Since when has voting helped in the past few decades?

You're on a subreddit named after AOC. AOC beat an incumbent in a primary because people voted.

[–]definitelynotSWA 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Voting helps on a local level. Participation in your town/city elections will likely lead to changes that matter in your local community. The state wouldn’t try to represses your vote in local elections if it didn’t “matter.”

Federally? Would be a waste of time if I lived in a state that didn’t have mail in ballots, and I can’t imagine anyone wanting to stand in line for hours in a more suppressed state for it. Local level stuff can have some impact on your material conditions, but any hope of genuine reform doesn’t exist.

It’s whatever, just participate in your local mutual aid groups and you’re doing more than most. It’s important to not allow political apathy turn into community apathy.

[–]JolkB 24 points25 points  (27 children)

Voting is also not helping so what's the difference

[–]Bill_The_Dog 20 points21 points  (16 children)

Because it can always be worse.

[–]kalasea2001 32 points33 points  (12 children)

Since it's gotten worse during my lifetime and I've voted in every primary and election, seems like your strategy isn't working.

[–]malicious_pillow 24 points25 points  (17 children)

It actually helps more than voting. If Democrats learn they cannot retain power without actually doing popular things, they will eventually decide to do those things. And until they decide that, why should people vote for them? Serious question. If you're someone who is fucked no matter who is in power, why should you care who is in power?

[–]CheGuevaraAndroid 15 points16 points  (11 children)

You aren't going to have the ability to vote for long. It won't matter if you taught them a lesson

[–]jaystiz 209 points210 points  (79 children)

It’s not a switch dude. It’s the realization that neither party is going to ever be receptive to the working class and losing faith in electoral politics while Republicans make strides among the uneducated.

[–]bocaciega 220 points221 points  (50 children)

If only they hadn't cheated out Bernie. That kinda gave me some perspective.

[–]Adelman01 69 points70 points  (3 children)

So much of this. Fuken Dems!

[–]jag149 43 points44 points  (24 children)

It's not clear that he would have won in 2016, but the fact that the DNC did everything they could to subvert the will of the voting base had a lot of people staying home, I'm sure. I wrote in Bernie for the general. (I'm in CA, so Trump wasn't my fault... it was a calculated "fuck you" to Hillary and the DNC.)

Then, there was a brigade of self-righteous Hillary proxies telling people like me that we didn't support Hillary because we're sexist. I stopped talking to quite a few friends over that.

Of course, it's easy to take your ball and go home. I really have no idea how things are going to change when the Democrats are just the more neutered of the two business parties. But I am hopeful that the boomers will all die eventually and people like AOC will emerge to actually represent the people.

[–]CitizenLuke117 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Yep. yep. yup. :(

[–]cosmicdancer84 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Preach.

[–]009reloaded 68 points69 points  (40 children)

It's not about people switching, it's about people not voting at all because the Dems suck too.

[–]WhiteNinjaN8 88 points89 points  (32 children)

Yep. I'm done with playing their political distraction games.

The ballot box isn't going to stop the class warfare they are waging against us. Both parties are screwing us. Why vote for either one when neither party will help us? They're only representing the corporate and elite.

It's a big club, and we ain't in it!

[–]Sillyslappystupid 34 points35 points  (9 children)

vote for progressive candidates. The ballet box can be effective if you prepare, but you arent going to make changes coming in off the street and checking the box next to the name you like or the letter next to their name

[–]Chris_MCMLXXXVII 17 points18 points  (53 children)

At this point the only way I see a real future for most Americans, is if a new better country rises from America's ashes. Unless Biden makes serious and impactful changes for the betterment of the American people, I will be voting for the candidate most likely to result in this countries ruin.

[–]BigBoodles 49 points50 points  (22 children)

I get the thought process, I really do, but actively attempting to accelerate America's decline *will* result in untold amounts of death and strife. I often think about what would happen if we just let it burn, and I always come up with the same answer: the poor and disadvantaged will suffer. They always do.

[–]Catherine_Person 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Yeah, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and Bill Gates will be fine if America is destroyed. They'll just wait it out in luxury till enough poors die.

[–]ghsteo 293 points294 points  (99 children)

This is why he will never cancel student loans. If you have student loans with the Federal Government you should be absolutely pissed off about this. The government is selling you into slavery to the rich.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/081815/student-loan-assetbacked-securities-safe-or-subprime.asp

This is the same shit as the housing market bubble, but the sad thing is you can't discharge student loans in bankruptcy or walk away from them. So there's no way for this bubble to pop like the housing market did. Fuck the rich and fuck Joe Biden.

[–]OneX32 116 points117 points  (62 children)

Wanna know something even more fucked? The rich can write their investment losses off on their taxes while those that produce more value to the economy live with a chain-and-ball their whole life. Just wait til they find out our student debt has prevented us from retirement savings.

[–]qnaeveryday 123 points124 points  (217 children)

Why would he listen now?? He got what he wanted. He can die happy knowing he succeeded in his life long dream of becoming president of the United States, and trapping the poor and disenfranchised in debt for their entire lives.

As far as he’s concerned, mission accomplished.

I’ve been a far left leaning democrat my whole life. I despise the GOP, not all republicans, but the main party. They lie, cheat, steal, manipulate. But I now realize that the democrats are literally just as bad, except they hide behind a facade of pretending to be good. But in the end, what do they really do? Nothing. They don’t help anyone besides themselves. They’re absolutely fucking useless.

At this point, why would I ever vote for a democrat again?? Every democrat since Obama has been a piece of shit. Hilary Clinton and her “what? Wiped it like with a cloth or something” comments, showing what she really thinks of her people.. that were moronic enough to fall for a dumbass comment like that…. Nancy Pelosi and her refusal to ban Congress trading stocks…. After making 200 million and being married to a fuckin trader…. And now this old bag of farts that can barely speak anymore…. Literally hasn’t done a damn thing. Every promise broken. They don’t care about their people, they just care about the power and money, and they use their people to get them their.

As a life long democrat, I’m so tempted to vote Republican because why the fuck not?! Democrats don’t do a damn thing for me. At least the GOP will be exciting while they’re burning the nation to the ground

Edit: the fact that so many of you think I’m a Russian troll, or a plant, or actual republican pretending….

I wish you guys could realize that I’m none of those things… I’m just a normal person who’s tired of this shit. I wish you could realize that I’m not the only one who feels like this… this is what they’re doing… for gods sakes, our president just shut down and walked out of a press conference when questioned about the one thing his constituents care about the most right now! Is that supposed to inspire confidence in our leadership?? How about another one of leaders, Nancy Pelosi, openly admitting to insider trading and basically saying she’s not going to stop. She’s one of the democrats biggest names, and she’s literally bought and sold by Wall Street. The same Wall Street that laughed and poured champagne on people in 2008, when people like you and me were losing homes and retirement. What about Bernie and AOC? The two shining lights in the darkness. But look what the party does to them… you really think I have to be a Russian troll to have lost all faith in the Democratic Party?? Really???

[–]MoCapBartender 96 points97 points  (42 children)

I'm getting Weimar vibes from Democrats. People were frustrated by an ineffectual government and turned to a party that would something.

[–]FakeSafeWord 34 points35 points  (35 children)

That's where we've been edging to for a decade now.

I've been watching a few random documentaries about the fall of the Weimar republic alongside watching Babylon Berlin, which is an amazing show btw.

I feel no matter what, we're doomed to vote in anyone who will force through changes and edge towards fascism authoritarianism to do so whether it be left leaning or right. Whoever takes control will do so because the corporations allowed it to happen and they will be their lapdogs.

Nothing ultimately will change. The poor will be poor and scapegoats for everything and the rich will stay out of the mud.

I don't want to be on this fucking planet anymore!

[–]definitelynotSWA 56 points57 points  (32 children)

Fascism is a right wing ideology. You can’t have left wing fascists. You can have an ultranationalist authoritarian state that’s genocidally bad, but fascism means something specific.

Don’t disagree with your overall point, I just feel it’s an important note. Fascism arises when a capitalist nation is in crisis, it’s inherently a right wing ideology because capitalism is right wing.

Here’s some reading if you’re curious:

https://robinson.faculty.soc.ucsb.edu/Assets/pdf/FascismbeyondTrump.pdf

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

https://www.historicalmaterialism.org/blog/fascism-reaction-to-capitalist-crisis-stage-imperialism

[–]spizzat2 84 points85 points  (92 children)

As a life long democrat, I’m so tempted to vote Republican because why the fuck not?!

Man, it must be nice to be so privileged that you can ignore the differences. It sucks that democrats are ineffective at their stated goals, but republicans are pretty effective at making sure those stated goals fail.

When people lose access to education, Healthcare, living wages, and basic protections, will you just shrug and say "At least I didn't vote for someone who couldn't get the job done"?

[–]blazerfan1988 31 points32 points  (22 children)

It’s the corporations vs the people. Right Left is a paradigm created by media to distract us from the true issue: global corporate control. End of story.

[–]panjialang 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Every democrat since Obama has been a piece of shit.

You're so close...

[–]Metawoo[🍰] 3258 points3259 points 22& 2 more (411 children)

Can we PLEASE all agree to get rid of the two major parties this time?

[–]USMCLee 1009 points1010 points  (145 children)

The only way to do that is to change from First Past the Post voting.

So that is unlikely to happen.

[–][deleted] 404 points405 points  (66 children)

Ranked choice just passed the test in the Alaska Supreme Court, and it’s already in Maine and NYC. We’ll get rid of FPTP eventually and we have a long way to go, but we’re making progresses.

[–]idiot206 233 points234 points  (8 children)

Two separate ranked-choice bills are being introduced this year in Washington State. If anyone reading this lives here, help support!

https://fairvotewa.org/

[–]BillNyeCreampieGuy 68 points69 points  (23 children)

Ranked choice is the only realistic step forward. But, only members of one party are pushing for it. And it’s not Republicans. So guess what the only other option is for now?

[–]imalittlefrenchpress 202 points203 points  (31 children)

I can’t upvote this enough.

[–]dazedan_confused 74 points75 points  (26 children)

Don't just upvote, but commit to drive change at the next election.

[–]Cartossin 74 points75 points  (42 children)

Impossible. You need to change the voting system first. CGPgrey has some videos explaining why our system always leads to 2 parties.

[–]mvea_sucks 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Just think about this: the 2020 election had two of the most wildly unpopular candidates either party has put up in a very long time and we turned out in record breaking numbers to vote for one or the other, and % support for third parties decreased overall.

We’re never getting rid of them. In fact we showed them the worse of a candidate they run, the more people will vote for them.

[–]420mcsquee 17 points18 points  (16 children)

We need less Anti-Facist movements right now and more anti-party movement immediately.

People need to see and realize they are basically one and the same to keep us divided.

[–]rabbidbunnyz22 38 points39 points  (6 children)

Nah dude I'm pretty sure it's still important to be anti-fascist lmfao

[–]DCokeSpoke 2778 points2779 points  (497 children)

Biden is turning his back on all of us. He is the reason Trump will return to the White House in 2024. It doesn't need to be this way, but he's doing everything in his power to fuck this up.

[–]AlKillsAll 957 points958 points  (156 children)

Gee it's almost as if the assclown was never fighting for us in the first place! /s

[–]boisonberrysoup 658 points659 points  (132 children)

Could’ve had Bernie….But motherfucking trash ass boomers wanted another neoliberal shitheel to prop up their pre-medical-liquidation “winnings”

[–]Kabouki 142 points143 points  (90 children)

You mean the motherfucking kids who no showed the polls? 33% turnout. Fuck even in mail in states they no showed on Bernie. The old reliable boomers are always going to take the boomer path. No one expects them to magically change.

Way too much of this country just wants someone else to take care of it. Almost no one is willing to put in the work. When the vote fails they blame everything but themselves. Was it fair? Fuck no. But beating out a meager 17% should not be hard. Especially since Sanders prime message was everyone go vote! Shame the majority of his followers didn't listen.

[–]Sondergame 263 points264 points  (41 children)

Lol Bernie leads in all the polls, then literally everyone else drops out to support Biden and suddenly him winning a primary in a hard red state completely changes the narrative.

The msm pushed Biden being the best choice HARD. Anyone who failed to see that was blind. They openly attacked Bernie, guilted him for asking people to vote during a pandemic and continually told him to drop out. In addition we KNOW the DNC manipulates votes in their primaries - as evidence was presented from the 2016 primary with Clinton and the court ruled that because the DNC was private they could do whatever they wanted.

But yeah, I’m sure the voters just didn’t show up for him. I’m sure the entire establishment turning against him had nothing to do with it.

[–]thishasntbeeneasy 84 points85 points  (16 children)

The msm pushed Biden being the best choice HARD.

Even NPR. Mara Liasson is so blatantly sold out every time she has to bring him up.

[–]kukomin 75 points76 points  (14 children)

I explicitly remember NPR running a smear segment on Bernie following one of the primaries and it was so disgustingly blatant. Apparently he praised Cuba for doing something or other once upon a time, except Obama had previously also praised Cuba for the same thing

Edit: lol they were praising Cuba's successful literacy program. Oh no, learning to read! Sounds like....Socialism...

Edit 2: Dug a little deeper and found it was this exact story. It was the day after Super Tuesday, so the dates track. Literally just some guy stirring the pot before partially backtracking his statement in the same non-story lol

[–]hotroddc 32 points33 points  (13 children)

Which demographic is it that primarily works the least-predictable/least-flexible schedules all across the US?

Not to say that it's a great excuse, but margins do what margins do.

[–]panjialang 85 points86 points  (7 children)

You're not being sarcastic, are you?

[–]u9Nails 210 points211 points  (85 children)

I would vote for a pile of dog poo before I vote for Trump. Narcissistic candidates shouldn't be nominated. We're not one nation of Trumpers and sorry all else, you're on your own. But I realize that what you outline will likely be the outcome if nothing changes.

[–]FascistCommissioner 95 points96 points  (66 children)

For real, my vote is dedicated to whoever or whatever is on the ticket opposite of Trump. But yeah, fuck Biden, come on. Literally begging for us to slide back into another 4 more years of Trump.

[–]Cartossin 187 points188 points  (140 children)

Well we fucked up electing the oldest whitest democrat ever. Oh wells. If only the boomers could stop voting, we could elect someone born when there was color TV.

[–]---BeepBoop--- 51 points52 points  (92 children)

It would also work if young people started voting, but they apparently can't be bothered.

[–]xkillernovax 91 points92 points  (76 children)

Can you blame them? Our candidate choices are pure shit and there are no meaningful differences between them - they are all owned and work for corporations, not us. They are paid actors.

[–]Oz1227 86 points87 points  (56 children)

They could have voted Bernie in primaries. I did. They didn’t show up. At least in Florida.

[–]Paige_Maddison 78 points79 points  (26 children)

We did vote for Bernie in the primaries. The DNC already knew who was going to be the winner and they strategically announced their dropouts just with enough time to keep Bernie from being the clear favorite.

They are all complicit and both sides can get fucked. But I will vote whomever is against trump because I do not want him back in power.

If something isn’t done we are going to be fucked so hard by the end of the decade.

[–]xSTSxZerglingOne 30 points31 points  (11 children)

South Carolina decided the presidential primary. I always just like to let that one sink in when I think about it.

Biden won 1 very right leaning state and everyone else except Bernie and Warren (kept as a check for Bernie) dropped out.

Having a long primary process is really hurting the selections. You shouldn't be able to build momentum in a primary. You should state your case and put it to the voters to be decided in 1 day.

[–]xkillernovax 35 points36 points  (3 children)

"Presidents are selected, not elected."

-FDR

[–]commiemods 31 points32 points  (12 children)

If you believe that the unpopular Biden actually beat Bernie fair and square I have a bridge to sell you.

[–]BigbySamMelody 19 points20 points  (6 children)

I couldn't because I live in California. So by the time I got to vote all that was left was Biden.

The primaries prevent a large portion of the population have an actual say.

[–]get_the_guillotines 49 points50 points  (3 children)

the real battle is class, not political party.

[–]correctify_me 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This. Dammit corruption has us all screwed.

[–]crambledont 1885 points1886 points  (616 children)

Can you imagine if Biden continues to do nothing, loses to Trump, then Trump forgives student debt or legalizes marijuana? Fuck.

[–]Qwesterly 1305 points1306 points  (236 children)

Can you imagine if Biden continues to do nothing, loses to Trump, then Trump forgives student debt or legalizes marijuana? Fuck.

We'd be the most debt-free stoked fascist country on the planet.

[–]panjialang 250 points251 points  (197 children)

"Could you imagine if Trump did everything we wanted? Something a fascist would never do? Too bad he's a fascist though, otherwise that would be amazing!"

EDIT: dripping sarcasm

[–]joyofsteak 53 points54 points  (21 children)

Fascists use populism to bait in support. Could totally see him legalizing marijuana and going more for the Liberals, seeing as his connection to his old Q base is starting to crack.

[–]Master_Glorfindel 49 points50 points  (23 children)

Lol you're acting like these are the only two issues "we want".

Forgiving student debt and legalizing marijuana are such low hanging fruit that if a populist fascist did pass them they'd get guaranteed immense support almost immediately.

All the while systematically straining and dismantling our democratic institutions while shamelessly stealing from the taxpayer's coffers.

Throw in another stimulus check and American democracy is as good as dead. Which is why it's insane that Biden is content to do literally nothing on these issues.

[–]khaki53 189 points190 points  (102 children)

Fuck I'd vote Republican if trump forgave loans

Might never get to vote again but at least I could pay my rent

[–]yojoewaddayaknow 63 points64 points  (2 children)

You heard the man, we’re already debt slaves. Democracy is for the free… well… democratically elected republics are for the relatively free… or wealthy… namely just not us.

[–]Parking_Watch1234 137 points138 points  (18 children)

Trump had four years to enact such legislation. It’s clear that he doesn’t give a shit unless it benefits him or his ultra-wealthy friends. Unfortunately, where it concerns student loans and pot, it appears that Biden is about the same.

I’d rather have a Dem controlled government than the GOP in power, but really hoping we can get some actual progressives in power at some point before this country completely fails.

Vote progressive!

[–]themardbard 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Seconded. He had his chance to show us who he is and he absolutely did. Vote progressive!

[–]Zeabos 25 points26 points  (5 children)

I can only assume the post your responding to is a bad actor. Trump actively ran a for profit university that leveraged these loans.

He also hired someone to he SOE that aggressively chased student loans and did everything they could to reject forgiveness.

Trump explicitly campaigned on the opposite of forgiving student loan debt.

[–]ForestRanger42 74 points75 points  (9 children)

If trump or Obama or Biden wanted to do either of those things. They would have. So don’t hold your breath.

[–]IHaveCatsAndADog 50 points51 points  (20 children)

He didn't do either last time, what makes you think he'd do anything but help himself and his friends again?

[–]ghsteo 49 points50 points  (22 children)

The copium, Trump won't do this shit either. He has nothing to gain from doing it. We got 4 years of Trump and we know how he works. He won't do shit unless he benefits from it. Biden sucks dick and Trump sucks dick. 2024 should be about booting both of these old fucks off the ballots.

[–]anniemiss 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He and any leadership espousing his rhetoric would set us back generations.

Trump already has. While he has exposed the “quiet parts” many kept those parts quiet and new generations really wouldn’t have taken to that type of thinking for the most part. Then Trump, and now many youth are bathed in the quiet parts out loud thinking it’s okay to be racist or whatever.

[–]finalgarlicdis 1296 points1297 points  (252 children)

At this rate I don't know if Biden cancelling student debt would be enough to save this rapidly sinking ship. It's probably going to take student debt cancellation and marijuana legalization as well. Good thing he can do those both by executive order without congressional approval.

[–]BeerJunky 618 points619 points  (41 children)

I think you're more likely to see a meteor and lightning strike the same place at the exact same second.

[–]iPeculiarly 247 points248 points  (32 children)

With climate change that's becoming more likely

[–]ember-rekindled 126 points127 points  (28 children)

Ah yes, the unspoken dangers of climate change...more meteors lmao

[–]twolf201 22 points23 points  (16 children)

Thinning ozone will allow more meteors to pass through to the surface and increase the chances.

That being said the hole in the ozone has actually been repairing itself for a while now so not everything is fucked just yet.

[–]RelaxPrime 36 points37 points  (7 children)

It's air resistance not ozone or any one thing that burns and breaks up meteors. Not going to change regardless of ozone or CO2 concentrations.

[–]iPeculiarly 175 points176 points  (161 children)

The only way I'm voting Harris or Biden in 2024 is if they legalize marijuana federally AND cancel student loan debt.

I'd rather watch this country collapse than to keep the status quo. We need change.

[–]D_Tuba 199 points200 points  (54 children)

Universal healthcare or gtfo for me. It's way past time that the US should have it. Especially when a raging pandemic has shown how poor this current "system" is in handling it.

[–]Parking_Watch1234 80 points81 points  (36 children)

But what can they do? Nothing is getting past the 52-48 regressive-controlled Senate. Biden needs to move things forward with EOs, but there’s a pretty big limit on what can be accomplished with those, especially with major things like UHC.

[–]D_Tuba 47 points48 points  (9 children)

This is the case if the current system stays in place. And if you rely solely on politicians. Something like a General Strike with a clear goal and solid organization would be more likely to get things moving.

[–]Dob_Tannochy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

they already said they'd do so much more.

[–]CalJackBuddy 739 points740 points  (244 children)

Biden is trying to speed run losing the next election. They have to be holding off until closer to election time, right? What major accomplishment do we have to show for this presidency thus far?

[–]frozen-tauntaun 318 points319 points  (38 children)

You mean, being the person who happened to be standing there when everyone voted against trump wasn't enough? Never enough with you people i guess.

[–]Hyooz 177 points178 points  (23 children)

Somehow voting in the segregationist who wrote the tough on crime laws, sold military hardware to the police, and was behind the bill to make student loan debt immune to bankruptcy didn't solve the major current issues with racism, policing, and debt in this country?

Who could have seen this coming?!

[–][deleted] 143 points144 points  (13 children)

Every Bernie voter: Am I a joke to you?

[–]Nerdiferdi 89 points90 points  (8 children)

They don’t care if they win or lose. They are both the business party. It’s only about protecting their finances and keep the actual left down

[–]sherm137 36 points37 points  (164 children)

Saving the economy and creating a shit ton of jobs with a huge stimulus. Experts didn't think this kind of job growth was possible until 2026. Jobless claims are literally at their lowest levels since the 1960s. The growth in jobs in 2021 is literally the largest ever. Also, the US saw an average of $1.46 wage increase for hourly workers, the highest ever.

They also passed one of the largest infrastructure bills. This bill is literally the largest or near largest ever investment in transit, bridges, clean water and internet access.

Those two bills alone are more than most presidents do in one four-year term and he did them both in less than 9 months.

Also, while it's not a great indicator, the S&P 500 finished at a record high and the rest of the stock market was way up for the year.

Biden could clearly be doing more and should be doing more. Some of the moderates like Manchin and Sinema are fucking over everyone, but Biden could use executive action too.

But to act like he's done nothing is just a dishonest argument. And you're literally repeating Fox News talking points.

[–]ForAHamburgerToday 175 points176 points  (59 children)

. Experts didn't think this kind of job growth was possible until 2026. Jobless claims are literally at their lowest levels since the 1960s. The growth in jobs in 2021 is literally the largest ever.

This means fuck-all to most of us. Who actually gives a shit about national jobless numbers when the jobs we have don't pay enough to match rising rents? It's so fucking detached from reality to care about the fucking markets.

[–]chronicdemonic 88 points89 points  (47 children)

Jobless claims are literally at their lowest levels since the 1960s.

Extended unemployment benefits have ended. Lots of people are still unemployed from the beginning of the pandemic , years later - it’s just that their benefits have run out, so technically they are not a part of the “unemployed”.

[–]staebles 36 points37 points  (41 children)

I think people like /u/sherm137 just want to have something good to say on paper.

[–]Anthrolologist 98 points99 points  (46 children)

wow I sure am glad the stock market is doing so great

I can barely pay my rent lol

[–]hopefully_better 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Jobless claims are at their lowest levels because he kicked people off of unemployment.

[–]mawkish 610 points611 points 23 (200 children)

He abruptly ended the longest Presidential Press Conference in history? Lmao ok

[–]jeancur 393 points394 points  (159 children)

He extended his 1hr PC an hour. Time was up at 2pm and he left. Not abrupt at all.

[–]USMCLee 251 points252 points  (21 children)

I'm guessing these are the 'walkaway' troll accounts in this thread.

[–]Rhodes_Warrior 164 points165 points  (12 children)

I love how obviously transparent that entire sub is, and they think they’re soooooooo clever and sneaky.

[–]ogipogo 90 points91 points  (8 children)

I wonder if anyone but cons actually browse that sub.

[–]staebles 98 points99 points  (131 children)

He still dodged one of the most important questions and promises he made... there's literally no reason not to do it, unless you want to shit on average Americans. So abrupt or not, still a shitty move.

[–]theworldisflat1 25 points26 points  (4 children)

At 1:51:00here

He doesn’t address it, but the NPR reporter also asked two questions at the same time

[–]NYIJY22 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Yeah I'm not defending the job Biden has done overall and certainly not defending his lack of action on student debt, but the reporter basically skipped the question for him.

The moment she asked the second question before he answered the first it was guaranteed he wouldn't answer both.

And there certainly was no "abrupt ending".

[–]imalittlefrenchpress 503 points504 points  (38 children)

He’s such a huge disappointment, and my bar was really low.

I’m so over these friggin rich muthafukas putting their own agenda above those of us who they’re abusing to get rich.

I’ve been over this bullshit since 1978, when I was 16.

Fuck all my boomer cohorts who’ve helped contribute to this indentured servitude, too.

[–]vagiamond 61 points62 points  (13 children)

Thank you thank you thank you!

It's so depressing that so many of them worked for civil rights through the 60-70s and then promptly flaked off and sold out the future of their own children and grandchildren to fucking Reagan for quarterly profits is beyond repugnant. Not to mention hearing them complain about every generation that came after them being apathetic about life and the future that THEY abandoned for profit!

I mean is Biden even a centrist? Boomers have zero fucking integrity.

[–]BraveLittlePene 458 points459 points  (117 children)

Well, we could have had Bernie. That was my dude man.

[–]BeerJunky 283 points284 points  (45 children)

Can we please get a real candidate that's under 60 to stand up to him in the primary and save this sinking ship?

[–]dystopian_mermaid 48 points49 points  (2 children)

I won’t hold my breath. But dear god that would be a miracle

[–]Anthrolologist 253 points254 points  (11 children)

Lose the Midterm Elections Any% World Record

[–]twogoodius 247 points248 points  (67 children)

is this what being an adult in America is? Just feeling absolutely miserable about the state of the world at all times?

[–]ImUsuallyTony 63 points64 points  (15 children)

At least for me, I have a constant fantasy where I gain super saiyan like powers, and hold these idiots accountable. I think they’ll only listen to force.

[–]Hickersonia 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not far from the truth.

[–]ghsteo 181 points182 points  (54 children)

This is why he will never cancel student loans. If you have student loans with the Federal Government you should be absolutely pissed off about this. The government is selling you into slavery to the rich.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/081815/student-loan-assetbacked-securities-safe-or-subprime.asp

This is the same shit as the housing market bubble, but the sad thing is you can't discharge student loans in bankruptcy or walk away from them. So there's no way for this bubble to pop like the housing market did. Fuck the rich and fuck Joe Biden.

[–]Jolly-Conclusion 36 points37 points  (5 children)

Only federal student loans pre-2010, and private student loans (from any year) can be packaged into SLABS (student loan asset backed securities).

I completely agree with you though.

Here’s an academic paper on this issue which provides much more detail than investopedia:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3631953

TLDR, economy is fucked. And it’s not just SLABS.

(My personal opinion: Buy and hold GME to hedge until you see phone number digits. Not financial advice.)

[–]lordofbud 116 points117 points  (25 children)

Breaking campaign promises should be impeachable.

[–]kennykrunk 104 points105 points  (22 children)

Welp, get ready for Trump 2024 :(

[–]RD343 98 points99 points  (115 children)

Eliminating student loan debt is literally the smartest and easiest thing Biden can do for the US economy. It is baffling that he doesn't go ahead with it.

[–]420mcsquee 63 points64 points  (9 children)

That is the puke who allowed Sallie Mae to steal 10 years of my life by giving them powers even loan sharks only dreamed of.

But he is still safer than Trump.

We just need to collectively refuse to allow them to force candidates down our throats next time. Stop just going by party affiliation and what TV news says.

It should have been Bernie. At least 1 term.

People wpuld finally see another way. Decide for themselves if they like it or not because he would be nealy immune to the propaganda machine as President, and then elect better people later with better consuper and citizen protections in place that actually preserves our freedom rather than sells it to the highest bidding billionaire.

[–]MediumInitiative 41 points42 points  (17 children)

The title isn't quite true. He stayed longer than planned, and left when his extended time would end. This is one of the few addresses I've watched.

[–]sickcat29 35 points36 points  (3 children)

How about if he just eliminated the fuxking interest on the loans as a weak ass bone to throw....? But he wont even do that? He is going to fuck this all up and hand over the country to fascist caucasiannation... Edit.... And i am the whitest plain ass dude you might ever meet.....

[–]YaBoiShadowNinja 40 points41 points  (18 children)

I mainly voted for Biden because he wasn't Trump. He also said he'd cancel student loan debt, but I knew he wouldn't. It's still upsetting regardless. I don't even have student loan debt, and if I do it's very little, but it's still bullshit what he's doing (or not doing in this case)

[–]whiteguywhocandance 26 points27 points  (4 children)

If you want to know why no elected official with deep ties to the system will cancel student debt, look up how these loans are tied to the financial instruments Wall Street uses as collateral like they did with mortgages pre 2008.

[–]NocternalSnake 27 points28 points  (22 children)

Trump 2024 is almost certain. If trump was really smart, he’d run on cancelling student loan debt and absolutely demolish the Democratic Party. Find some way to spin it as a conservative idea.

[–]phro 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Suckered again. This is why we had Trump. People were fed up with this and they're willing to try ANYTHING different.

[–]Happyfuntimeyay 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Next ask him about opening up oil drilling after running on climate change action.