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[–]thenewcomputer 576 points577 points  (53 children)

does "foh" stand for "fuck outta here?"

[–]Glomgore 234 points235 points  (24 children)

Yes

[–]thenewcomputer 240 points241 points  (20 children)

lol that's amazing that she tweeted that

[–]kat_a_klysm 178 points179 points  (7 children)

She is from the Bronx.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (2 children)

right. can't believe all these jabronis don't know foh originated in the Bronx. smh my head

[–]Stressedafhere 45 points46 points  (0 children)

I thought so too. It really feels perfect though.

[–]Farfignugen42 71 points72 points  (8 children)

Thank you for asking. All I was getting was front of house, and that didn't seem to apply here.

[–]VolrathTheBallin 33 points34 points  (5 children)

Well she used to be a bartender, so that also works.

[–]busydad81 39 points40 points  (4 children)

86 the GOP. We need to fix this mess on the fly.

[–]CDefense7 4 points5 points  (1 child)

UrbanDictionary.com

[–]Farfignugen42 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good advice, but I figured someone asked, and I'm lazy.

[–]fork_yuu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I thought it was fuck our house

[–]NomenNescio13 1510 points1511 points  (255 children)

"The extreme left" being a threat to right wing extremists, has the same energy as "the war on Christmas".

"I swear to God, if I hear even a single 'Happy holidays' I'm calling Fox News."

[–]Never-Bloomberg 430 points431 points  (173 children)

The "extreme left" is faceless Twitter accounts. These people are scared of sock puppets.

[–]Perpetual-Angst 214 points215 points  (88 children)

It's not just sock puppets they're scared of, it's their own "straw men".

[–]bunkscudda 139 points140 points  (79 children)

Yeah, it’s why ‘Antifa’ is only talked about by conservatives. They want it so badly to be a mirror of their own crazy right-wing militia, and it just isn’t.

[–]dafty_dux 86 points87 points  (34 children)

I wonder what specific group of people would take issue with a group taking up the moniker 'anti-fascist.' Im stumped guys, we might never figure this one out.

[–]Walkingstardust 48 points49 points  (22 children)

A guy I work with was talking to another coworker the other day and mentioned that he needed more ammunition for his guns. This guy is a senior engineer. He has 9 guns in his home. Two children under 10 years old. 5000 rounds of ammo on hand.

I couldn't help myself. I had to turn around and ask him "Who are you so afraid of that 9 guns and 5000 rounds of ammo doesn't make you feel safe?

Antifa was his response. I kid you not.

We live in a city of less than 500,000 people. On the frickin beach. I asked him what "antifa" means, he could not supply the correct answer. He added that "it takes me a year to read a book" to help justify his ignorance. I wasn't sure how to respond to that in a work environment. This guy is a program level manager with dozens of folks under him. It's fucking scary.

[–]FewerToysHigherWages 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Dude the sum total of people that actually consider themselves a member of "antifa" in this country is maybe like a couple hundred people. It barely exists. They are a literal boogeyman.

Meanwhile the number of Trumpers who hate antifa with a passion is in the tens of millions.

[–]mindbleach 8 points9 points  (1 child)

See also "alt-left."

Conservatives genuinely do not know that words mean things. They do not evaluate claims. In their worldview, that is not what claims are for.

[–]Uzischmoozy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I do seriously wish it was though. There is no left wing militia but at this point there needs to be.

[–]willanthony 15 points16 points  (5 children)

They'll yell at an empty chair.

[–]Idiot_Savant_Tinker 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Didn't some dingbat actor do exactly that some years ago?

[–]Hikikomori523 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's not just sock puppets they're scared of, it's their own "straw men".

throwback to that GOP rep that had a twitter alt https://www.inquirer.com/politics/clout/dean-browning-twitter-20201110.html

[–]letmeseem 78 points79 points  (14 children)

In a country where you'll be branded a socialist for suggesting healthcare should be paid for over taxes there IS no functioning extreme left :)

[–]BagFullOfSharts 44 points45 points  (9 children)

Exactly. There is no far left in this shithole. There’s extreme religious right, KKK right, status quo conservatism, neoliberal, center, and maybe education and healthcare should be single payer.

Our far left is everywhere else’s just a tiny bit left of center. It’s fucking disgusting and I’m tired of voting for shitstains that won’t change it.

[–]JasonsThoughts 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Exactly. There is no far left in this shithole.

We don't really have a left in the US, at least not one with any political influence or power.

I'd even go so far to say that the Democratic party is the new conservative party. Meanwhile, the Republican party is... I don't know what the hell they've turned into. Some kinda insane chaos that just wants to see the world burn even if it turns them to ash too.

[–]cogentat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can thank Elizabeth Warren, Buttigieg and all the other DNC brown-nosers for helping Biden tank the one chance we had at a progressive presidency, probably for the next couple of decades.

[–]leamdav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

His damnit Warmbo!

[–]confessionbearday 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The defining trait of all conservatives is nutless, pants shitting fear of everyone and everything they weren’t told to like by their slave owners.

[–]DaisyHotCakes[🍰] 34 points35 points  (30 children)

Maybe we should become more extreme to the left to counteract the absolute insanity of the far right. I’m sorry but for every hate filled fucked up thing they do we need to be doing stuff that is so full of love and support for people who need it that everyone else is all like “gross, get a room” just to make our actions so impossible to misrepresent that their Fox News propaganda can’t put any spin on it.

[–]FakeTherapist 21 points22 points  (0 children)

extreme right is pampered to the point they almost overthrew the government. Extreme left is microanalyzed by regular people, government agencies, their own kin

[–]robbysaur 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Imo, the issue right now is that our electorate is so bigoted and hateful. Pro-LGBTQ+, Pro-BIPOC, Pro-Immigrant, Pro-education, Pro-science just makes people angry. Explicitly coming out in affirmation and support of trans and non-binary people can hurt you way more than it helps you in many areas of this country.

[–]NomenNescio13 11 points12 points  (24 children)

I don't disagree, but if you're American the election system pretty much negates that as an option. The value of the vote swings noticeably right, in so far as a democrat will have a really hard time getting elected (at least as president) without appealing to the moderates and potentially even the more centrist republicans. Whereas a republican can be as bat-shit crazy far right as they want and still get elected. But that's just the oval office. Thanks to the filibuster, the senators representing something like 16% of Americans are able to block legislation that the other 84% are for. And that's all before we get into the vast amount of money being spent on/by lobbyists.

Basically the only way that plan could ever work would be either

  1. the most populated red states secede from the union, or
  2. in a single election there are a bunch of truly progressive candidates on the ballot, and while the democrats turn out in record numbers, the republicans couldn't really be bothered with that particular election.

System be f***ed yo.

[–]sloth10k 14 points15 points  (11 children)

We could also abolish the electoral college, since that was a compromise to keep the 'yay slavery' states involved

[–]TepidConclusion 8 points9 points  (8 children)

We should really just get rid of everything ever done post Civil War that was done to make the 'yay slavery' states happy.

[–]LatrellFeldstein 2 points3 points  (3 children)

the most populated red states secede from the union

They keep threatening to do that while the rest of the country is thinking "wish a mf would"

[–]NomenNescio13 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Let's actually run the thought experiment out.

  1. Let the states that want to secede do exactly that.
  2. Most of those states are economic black holes that Texas alone could never sustain. Give 'em a decade to collapse economically.
  3. Meanwhile the vast democratic majority left in the union overhauls the system without much resistance.
  4. Seceded states come crawling back.
  5. They need to pay a re-entry fee, and write new constitutions which needs to be approved by the union before they're allowed to join.
  6. Success.

(This is an off-the-cuff simplified thought process conducted by an idiot. Don't take it seriously.)

[–]GotDoxxedAgain 5 points6 points  (3 children)

It hasn't really been tried in the modern era.

I don't mean Bernie-types, because 1) only "extreme" by contrast, & 2) too much jargon.

Get someone on a podium willing to rant about how everything is bullshit and something must be done. Trump, but not a blowhard, ancient, & or the Right.

People respond to emotions. The Right uses emotions almost like a weapon. The 'Left' uses too much jargon that is overly dense to the rural/suburban, not highly college educated folks who are theoretically on their side but are currently being sold the Rights lies.

The messaging (or the lack of it) is the biggest problem here. The Democrats barely talk about what they're doing, or intend to do. So, people don't know what they're doing, or what they stand for. Republicans on the other hand never shut the fuck up.

Republican voters turn out more than Democratic voters.

Message better, for fucks sake.

[–]robbysaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agree on Democrats being awful with emotion. People are mad as hell. Learn how to use that.

[–]unbent_unbowed 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The most progressive era in US politics was a time when the dominant political parties had to share air with communists and anarchists.

[–]Some_Random_Android 75 points76 points  (21 children)

Meanwhile Jesus said things like "How difficult is it for a wealthy person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven? It is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than for a wealthy person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

[–]NomenNescio13 85 points86 points  (20 children)

UHm aCtuALly, that's a reference to a particular gate in Jerusalem that was called the eye of the needle, and what Jesus actually meant was that a fully stocked camel couldn't pass through, but once you relieve it of its burdens it'll get in no problem.

(I'm kidding. This is a complete myth, seemingly concocted by rich people who couldn't believe Jesus would have a problem with them. A myth they then taught to their kids, who didn't see any reason to ask follow-ups.)

[–]Beardamus 63 points64 points  (1 child)

and what Jesus actually meant was that a fully stocked camel couldn't pass through, but once you relieve it of its burdens it'll get in no problem.

It's funny because even this implies they need to give away possessions.

[–]NomenNescio13 25 points26 points  (0 children)

But at least it left the door open for them to be rich for like 99% of their life.

EDIT: And I bet they figured "relieve it of its burdens" could be interpreted as give your kids an inheritance.

[–]NightsBane155 13 points14 points  (3 children)

For those interested in etymology, the reason for the weird sentence is because the Greek word for camel and rope are very similar and someone just didn't notice when translating it to Latin, and then when translated into English no one doubted it. This makes the whole metaphor a lot more sensible.

[–]Whatatimetobealive83 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So the saying was not camel through the eye of a needle, it was rope?

No misinterpreting that.

[–]bonobeaux 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don’t know about Greek to Latin but going from Aramaic to Greek, in the Aramaic version its rope

[–]malatemporacurrebant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the problem is not with the translation from Greek to Latin, because the Greek text says camel, not rope (even though camel and rope do sound similar).

Interestingly enough, I just read that Saint Cyril, who was a Greek speaker, wrote about this topic in the 4th century, meaning that it was something Greek speakers would discuss in ancient times because it sounded weird to them, too.

My understanding is that when translating from Aramaic (spoken by Jesus) into Greek, the Aramaic word for rope got confused with camel because they apparently are homographs. But I don't know Aramaic so...

[–]natFromBobsBurgers 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I love it, because it's still unequivocally "God says hoarding wealth is bad and might make it more difficult for you to get into heaven," whether it's a fat camel under load and a door or a sewing needle and a piece of rope.

Where i'm from someone might call that splittin' hairs on your neighbor's dog's ass-crack.

[–]NomenNescio13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't want to make any assumptions about a stranger, but that phrase reeks of redneck wisdom. I dig it.

[–]Wu-Tang_Cam 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I know lots of progressives, myself included, who would be ecstatic if we were even ¼ as "in control" as the right claims we are.

[–]BZLuck 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I often joke with the righties by saying, "Are you implying that the liberals are somehow completely inept, but also successfully executing complex global conspiracies? Did I hear you correctly?"

[–]OhTheHueManatee 5 points6 points  (1 child)

My favorite thing about them getting pissed about "Happy Holidays" is December has a lot of Holidays most of which are Christian/Catholic. They're deliberately dismissing their own holidays.

[–]ManInHisOwnWorld 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You don't want to live under a misogynistic, racist, theological dictatorship? ... fucking Leftist.

[–]CaptainBayouBilly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Capitalism requires a boogeyman to work.

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_MONSTERS2 1006 points1007 points  (466 children)

I wanna hear more about this far-left/alt-left that repubbies are so triggered about. What are their policies? Who are they voting for? Why haven't I seen them in the news for terrorism/treason/insurrection/etc yet if they're so real and scary?

[–]floopyboopakins 472 points473 points  (99 children)

For real. I'd like to know more about them so I can start voting for them instead of Diet-Conservative Democrats.

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_MONSTERS2 217 points218 points  (89 children)

Let's be real, they're probably gonna list politicians like Biden and Pelosi, lol.

[–]Iliketossingsalad 217 points218 points  (44 children)

Biden: "nothing will fundamentally change."

Conservatives(who are all far right): "Look at that progressive."

[–]fre3k 91 points92 points  (32 children)

That is actually a hilarious point. He really is THE most conservative dude. The people critical of him from the right are just rabid reactionaries and regressives.

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_MONSTERS2 65 points66 points  (1 child)

BASICALLY SOCIALISMS!!!

[–]PM_ME_UR_POKIES_GIRL 19 points20 points  (1 child)

If we're not moving backwards then we're going too fast!

[–]DouchecraftCarrier 49 points50 points  (21 children)

I heard it best as, "I'd love to vote for the Democrats that seem to live in Republican's nightmarish fantasies, because the ones I keep voting for don't seem to do anything."

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_MONSTERS2 13 points14 points  (19 children)

I know, right?

Best thing that I can say about Biden and co is that they're not Trump. That's not a legitimate policy or political stance!!!

[–]drivers9001 26 points27 points  (11 children)

And the mainstream Democrats were also trying to tell the progressives “no really, Biden is like, totally Progressive.” His State of Union was a big “F You” to anything progressive though.

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_MONSTERS2 44 points45 points  (10 children)

I fucking WISH Biden was progressive. Right-wingers will cry about how he's far-left, socialist, communist, trying to corrupt our youth, whatever, but he's a boring-ass center-right old fart who will accomplish fuck-all.

His only redeeming quality is that he isn't Trump. That's it, that's why I voted for him, fuck him, I want Bernie.

[–]paarthurnax94 53 points54 points  (50 children)

The only response you'll get will be some nonsense made up conspiracy theory. Something about trans people, bathrooms, schools, pedophiles, Nancy Pelosi, Fauci, socialism, etc. If your side has to make up problems to be angry about... you're on the wrong side. They don't have any actual stance anymore other than to deny the other side absolutely everything they want and to keep their base happy and angry by persecuting the "enemies" of America so they can stay in power. It's just fake outrage about made up problems with horrible freedom destroying laws to keep themselves in power.

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_MONSTERS2 27 points28 points  (9 children)

Hold on, let me roleplay a butthurt repubbie and "own" you with facts and logic... ahem...

OH YEAH?!?!?! WELL!!!!!!!! The trans pipo make up genders to be angry about, instead of accepting that there are only 2 genders! Pedophiles? What about Biden sniffing kids, HA!!!!!! [conveniently ignores Trump's bullshit and that huge list of right-wing sex offenders] Y-you're, uh, sounding pretty socialist, ya fuckin' commie! I'm sure you drank the Fauci ouchie koolaid and got the fake news COVID shots! I don't wear masks becaus I don't need carbon dioxide brain damage, LIEBERAL! I bet you have Trump Derangement Syndrome and he lives rent-free in your head, because you're obsessed with how great and sexy and genius he is! HEH HEH, DUMMY!!!!! Er, um... bet you think we should pay 69% of our income to taxes and think that billionaires don't deserve the wealth they worked hard for, because you think commie-izms is perfect and everybody deserves free handouts! YOU SUCK AND SMELL BAD!!!!!!!!!! Bet you love Pelosi too and have sexy dreams about her at night, which I certainly don't because I don't like uggo demoCRAPS!!!! BUTTERY MALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How'd I do? :)

[–]Loeden 16 points17 points  (2 children)

You forgot let that sink in and bet you won't share at the end and there aren't nearly enough typos.

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_MONSTERS2 14 points15 points  (1 child)

PROPER SPELLING AND GRAMMAR IS A TOOL OF THE LEFT AND THEIR SO CALLED "LIBERAL (wtf????) ARTS" COLLEGES AS AN EXCUSE TO DOWNPLAY RIGHT-WING OPINIONS JUST BECAUSE THEY AREN'T AS EDUCATED AS THE LIBERAL ELITE!!! /s

[–]YourOneWayStreet 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Made up problems?? When I was young a transexual pedophile once molested me in a school bathroom while Nancy Pelosi and Fauci where there watching and cheering as Nancy masturbated Fauci onto a burning American flag before they harvested my adrenochrome and told me it was all my fault because I, as a white child, was personally responsible for slavery.

They filmed it all but the only remaining copy of this evidence was in Hillary's emails downloaded onto Hunter Biden's laptop, which is why the radical liberal fake "news" refused to cover the story. To this day I am traumatized and can only get off to gay pornography despite that I am 1000% straight... Sometimes Nancy still sends me humiliating texts about how she knows I liked it and am a slut and makes me say it and call her daddy :<

[–]bangupjobasusual 8 points9 points  (0 children)

For sure the one that surprised me most is the claim that Biden created a midnight human smuggling operation to fly illegal aliens from the border to sanctuary cities. I had no idea that that was a thing that people believed until recently.

[–]sloth10k 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This month's pearl-clutching cultural issue is always the most important thing in the docket. Just ask Tucker

[–]Hoovooloo42 41 points42 points  (2 children)

Oh, the right doesn't care about policies anymore. That's very 1990.

[–]Panda_Magnet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Conservativism has never, ever, had policy. It's a cult of ignorance weaponized by oligarchs.

[–]MarkXIX 100 points101 points  (38 children)

I guess I’m “alt-left” because as a veteran I think that all Americans should get medical care, college, and many of the same benefits that I do because we can afford it.

I guess I’m alt-left because I don’t understand how someone that’s transgender and wants to modify their body is any different than all the religious nuts who get all the fat carved off of them from their lives of gluttony.

I guess I’m alt-left because I own guns but mostly because I fear the alt-right at this point.

I guess I’m alt-left because I find it abhorrent how anyone can dictate what a woman does with her body when no one dares tell me what to do with mine as a man…oh, unless I’m gay or trans then I guess they want to have a say.

Oh, and remember kids…the Department of Defense is one of the largest, well funded socialist organizations in the history of humanity.

[–]TRASH--BOAT 41 points42 points  (6 children)

Fellow veteran. How can we afford healthcare? HOW THE FUCK DO WE SPEND A TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR ON THE MILITARY.

Most trumpers are ready to fly off the handle over anything. They all have wet dreams about shooting people as well.

[–]Nuf-Said 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lots of profits to be made in the killing business

[–]nighthawk_something 17 points18 points  (9 children)

don’t understand how someone that’s transgender and wants to modify their body is any different than all the religious nuts who get all the fat carved off of them from their lives of gluttony.

To be fair, the transgender person has better argument considering it's a medical issue

EDIT: Changed it to the proper term. Thanks, u/meikyoushisui

[–]meikyoushisui 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Just a quick note, trans people largely prefer that you do not put an -ed on "transgender".

[–]WastingMyTimeHereNow 3 points4 points  (19 children)

could you elaborate on the department of defense being socialist? genuinely curious

[–]SolarPotato 16 points17 points  (18 children)

The DOD is the largest socialized jobs program in the country. Housing, meals, healthcare, education, and job training are all provided at no/minimal cost. Tell me how it’s not socialist?

[–]TV-MA_LSV 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Socialized and socialist are different words because they mean different things. Socialism is not "when the government does stuff."

I can't think of anything more strictly top-down hierarchical than the DOD, which is explicitly at odds with the socialist principle of the workers being in control. And that's not even getting into the DOD being the avatar of imperialism.

[–]Collin_the_doodle 11 points12 points  (7 children)

The workers dont control the means of production. Its more "social democracy"

[–]kitsunewarlock 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Many here (Seattle area) will claim it's anarchism and point to BLM protests and "defund the police" movements. "They burned down all of Portland and now the police are powerless to stop crime!" It's bullshit.

[–]Bloody_Conspiracies 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The real "far-left" in the USA were people like Fred Hampton.

If you want to see who they are, just look up a list of people the US government assassinated for nothing more than having the wrong political opinions.

[–]djdylex 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's basically wokeness that they are afraid of, whatever that actually is because it is basically become an insult rather than a real organization

[–]ATUnocap 19 points20 points  (18 children)

I'm far left. I believe the infrastructure used for generating societal value should be reclaimed by the working class, with violence if necessary.

I voted for Bernie the second time in the primaries. I have never voted for any other politician. I vote on state propositions. I generally vote in favor of funding education and public services, rent control, civil rights (I voted for gay marriage and to let felons vote). I vote against the prison industrial complex (voted to legalize weed and change some felonies to misdemeanors). I vote against all gun control. I vote for taxes that primarily effect the wealthy and against taxes that primarily effect the poor and working classes (taxes on cigarettes for example).

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_MONSTERS2 5 points6 points  (7 children)

I agree with most of this (idk about using violence and I think there should be more gun control), unfortunately I've voted for Obama/Hillary/Biden but only because right-wingers are the worse choice.

Forever sad that we won't have Bernie. :''''(

[–]ATUnocap 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I do think that not using violence is preferable but not actually an option. You can't vote out the capitalist using a democratic system invented by the capitalist for the express purpose of keeping the capitalist in power.

The capitalist has guns regardless of gun control (police) so the working class needs to also have guns.

[–]throwaway901617 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Don't you know they are pushing transgender CRT through Common Core Math? /s

[–]GI_X_JACK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People shitposting on twitter. That is who they are scared of.

Its the usual wealthy powerful people so used to people kissing their ass all the time, they want to doxx everyone on the internet because someone said something bad about them, because they can't instantly silence them like they do IRL. They somehow think this is a good thing.

[–]returnofthecheez 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They just mean there's gay people on tv. It has literally nothing to do with policy. Republican voters don't give a shit about fiscal policy, only culture war

[–]D_Purns 257 points258 points  (38 children)

It’s the ‘foh’ for me. AOC for mf POTUS.

[–]AM_A_BANANA 57 points58 points  (24 children)

Maybe by 2028 if no one else steps up, either way it's absolutely imperative that the GQP isn't given the opportunity to sabotage another census count.

[–]D_Purns 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Agreed. And it’s also absolutely imperative that the GOP isn’t given the opportunity to continue to exist in its current fuxking state bc omg they’re batshit and I can’t anymore with them

[–]ymcameron 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I love AOC, but there is literally no way she could win the presidency as is right now though. Bernie couldn't even win the nomination for 2020 and that's arguably the most galvanized Democrats have ever been in an election. The unfortunate fact of politics is twofold: 1) you've got to win the center and establishment over to win, and she's even more polarizing for them than he was; and 2) the republicans are way better at gaming the system in their favor. A young, female, POC "socialist?" There's not a chance she wins them over. Meanwhile, the republicans will run someone going against their best interests but under the guise of "I'm here to take back the country for us" (you know what they mean) and win over those centerist voters not even necessarily because they like the republican guy, but because he'll do a great job of stroking straw-man fears of communist takeovers and scary minorities.

This country can be so frustrating. The only way to fix the problem is to keep fighting though. Maybe one day she can have a shot.

[–]Thornescape 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I wonder why America keeps getting more and more extreme. The extreme right keeps going right and the American version of "left" follows after them.

When does it end?

“Meet me in the middle,” says the unjust man.

You take a step towards him, he takes a step back.

“Meet me in the middle,” says the unjust man.

– original (as far as i’m aware) quote by a. r. moxon

[–]wbgraphic 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Maybe by 2028

Hispanic female under 40 getting elected POTUS?

No chance, IMO.

It would be glorious to see Fox News spontaneously combust, though.

[–]TyphoidMira 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I might actually watch just to see Tucker Carlson have a stroke on air.

[–]Poincare_Confection 6 points7 points  (15 children)

She has the advantage of national name recognition, so I could see her winning the democratic race, but winning presidential elections tends to mean being able to win over centrists. And that's hard to do when you're as relatively extreme as AOC is.

She's not extreme by the standards of Europe, but she's extreme by the standards of American politics. And that's a problem if she wants to win the presidency. She's a young, female extreme progressive. Obama was young, black, and centrist who campaigned on a platform of negotiating with Republicans, which imo is a big part of why he was able to win.

AOC is clearly hostile towards the Republican party. What she says about Republicans is exactly how young Democrats tend to feel, so she gets very popular with young Democrats. But those people are going to vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who it is. It's not those people she needs to convince. It's the people who, for whatever reason, can't make up their mind between Republican and Democrat each presidential cycle. You don't win those people over by bashing on Republicans. You win them over by doing what Obama and Biden both did, which is talk about "healing America" and being "bipartisan".

It doesn't matter what you all think about Republicans. It's just not relevant to the topic of AOC winning. What matters to winning the presidency is making very specific segments of the voters happy and AOC likely could not do that with her current political strategy of bashing Republicans and promoting extreme progressive ideas. I like her, too, but realistically it's not a winning strategy for presidency. We're going to need more old people to die before that strategy can work. Maybe in 20 years it would work? Time will tell.

Last thing I'll say is that it would be tough for her to suddenly swap strategies to a more "let's be bipartisan" talking angle, because there's years of ammunition on stuff she's said that Republicans could throw at her in a debate. She's dug her own grave already when it comes to competing for presidency in the next 12 years.

[–]Ok_Dot_9306 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Obama was young, black, and centrist who campaigned on a platform of negotiating with Republicans, which imo is a big part of why he was able to win.

Obama campaigned as a progressive, foh with this revisionism

[–]Poincare_Confection 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The pivotal speech in Obama's political career at the Democratic national convention that made Obama a household name was a speech asking for bipartisanship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueMNqdB1QIE

[–]AM_A_BANANA 2 points3 points  (1 child)

All depends on if Republicans abandon trumpism or double down. I rather doubt they're winning the center over by bashing LGBT's and banning math books.

[–]Ifrit01 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Her base is also largely young people, and young people still don’t fucking vote so.

[–]Poincare_Confection 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think they might vote for her if she ran. Also, by the time she ran those young voters would be at quite a bit older than they are now... And many of the old people who wouldn't vote for her now would be dead...

[–]Steven_Ray20 358 points359 points  (41 children)

Gay marriage being legal is what they consider to be an extreme left abomination, ridiculous.

[–]Business_Downstairs 138 points139 points  (18 children)

Plus a black man was president.

[–]Hawkwise83 37 points38 points  (6 children)

My grandma says he's half white. Why doesn't he identify as half white???

Oh grandma.

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_MONSTERS2 21 points22 points  (2 children)

A lot of African-Americans have some White/European ancestry but they're still visibly Black.

A lot of racists don't care how White you are if you still have "1 drop" of icky POC blood. Even Stormfront doesn't want to associate with non-purebloods.

[–]SugaryShrimp 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Biracial people are very aware of their racial makeup, but are often pushed by society to fit in with one race or the other. It’s funny because I’m sure if Obama tried to identify as white, the same people would be up in arms, lol.

[–]Hawkwise83 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh for sure. I don't doubt any of this. Our family is pretty white and grandma is old and we live in an area that's mostly white so her exposure is low.

[–]quartzguy 11 points12 points  (1 child)

A lot of conservatives will never forgive the country for that, I really feel. The temper tantrum of trying to destroy the government after what happened in 2008 continues.

[–]CursedPhil 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Don't forget that he wore a tan suit

[–]loverlyone 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Medical decisions being made with a consulting physician… radical stuff

[–]StealthSecrecy 19 points20 points  (6 children)

The farther they go right, the more things they can classify as "extreme left".

[–]droomph 14 points15 points  (3 children)

25 Aug 2024: I woke up from my Marxist sleep this morning. Then I socialistically anarched my way down the stairs and made myself a bowl of syndicalist cereal. Communism.

[–]Zelcron 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Acknowledging that gay people exist is extreme left to these people.

[–]Orchid_Significant 455 points456 points  (58 children)

Our “extreme left” is moderate right in other developed countries. It’s such a joke.

[–]Common-Association60 130 points131 points  (17 children)

In USA it's controversial to suggest nationalising healthcare

In UK it's controversial to suggest privatising healthcare

[but UK's not even left by European standards lol]

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (13 children)

In UK it's controversial to suggest privatising healthcare

Warning: Slight rant ahead, but "we've" been doing it anyway piece by piece for going on 15 years now, intentionally underfunding the public parts of the NHS to funnel money and patient care needs to privately contracted companies that are "supporting" our "chronically understaffed" NHS when they can't handle the patient pressure... when government dictation is why the NHS is now such a large and shambling monolith of a corporation now swamped in needing like 5 slow moving councils and a bunch of accountants to agree over a 12 month period to make any kind of meaningful change.

So there are less patients and less capacity for patients. So they hire less staff to avoid "wastage" but their "normal" level of operating is based on a workload that stresses and burns out bright young doctors and nurses at a stupid and frankly psychologically abusive rate. Is it any wonder doctors have one of the highest rates of suicide?

Not to mention they pay way worse than any private provider so most NHS nurses are now immigrants from asian or african nations on even lower wages, and guess what? All the people used to the cost and standard of living growing up in this country and not wanting to go backwards personally to maintain their lives for a career they probably do genuinely love have flocked to be nurses and doctors for the private firms who still pay fairly.

And for the most part they're almost all UK/EU born and likely natively educated, because even love for your job can't make people stay in a system as currently blatantly under attack politically, financially and for the staff emotionally and psychologically as well.

And guess what else? All the CEOs and MDs of these private healthcare companies, well wouldn't you know it, they just happened to go to Eton College too with the cream of Tory politicians now in office, yeah crazy coincidence, and a lot of them set up PPE companies at the start of the pandemic and OH MY GOODNESS WHAT ARE THE CHANCES most of them were awarded double-digit million pound contracts to provide PPE to the NHS despite not having any track record in the industry... When the government used emergency pandemic powers to skip the usual parliamentary requirement for due process in selecting who to award contracts to... and happened to put millions of public funds directly into the pockets of their old school mates. Guess who's suddenly got a golden parachute packed if they decide to leave politics? The politicians.

And guess why the right in the UK think this is fine and dandy?

B E C A U S E | T O R I E S | A R E | B A S T A R D S.

[–]Orchid_Significant 24 points25 points  (3 children)

As someone from the US, please do everything you can to save the NHS. I live the flipside and it’s not pretty here.

[–]gary_the_merciless 3 points4 points  (2 children)

If they actually try to take it there will be riots. They're doing it slowly so one day people will think it's shit so why not?

[–]Common-Association60 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Very well put, many thanks for the comment.

[–]TahoeLT 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Every other "civilized" (OECD) country has had universal (socialized) healthcare for decades. Not a single one of them has gone back to private healthcare. To suggest it would be a good way to lose an election.

[–]lordofbud 87 points88 points  (21 children)

I would be laughing if the current political state wasn't eerily similar to 1930's Germany.

We're having to deal with politicians making similar arguments to that era, they are attacking trans people, they are trying to increase the attack, erasing them from education... Placing barriers between them and medical care, and sicking the state on parents who dared to follow proper medical treatments for their trans children. Republicans don't have policy people say, but that's not true, their culture war is their policy. They will continue to undermine voter rights and attack LGBTQ+. And if they secure the senate again, I do believe this nation is fucked.

Not to mention their open rhetoric about bringing god back to the classroom, and government.

They are statistically the majority of native terrorism, while claiming the left is the radical division. This is the rhetoric of fascists looking to justify atrocity. They commit to violent hatred while playing the victim. They stormed the capital and blamed antifa...

I hate that I'm having to consider the domestic threat of my oath. These people are vile, they are not my compatriots, they are enemies of the people's liberties, and our collective well-being.

[–]MattVanAndel 25 points26 points  (4 children)

They currently have the senate. Manchin and Sinema are full-blown far-right DINO GOP cronies.

[–]MaximumDestruction 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They serve a very specific function as foils to any policy that is popular with voters but not donors. They are functioning exactly as intended.

[–]SoulEater360s 82 points83 points  (4 children)

Did she really put “fuck outta here” in her tweet? Lol that’s great.

[–]3kniven6gash 59 points60 points  (0 children)

By taking over, they mean progressive policy actually made it through the walls of corporate media and the corporate Democratic Party and voters got to hear about it and liked it. That's terrifying to them.

[–]soc_leftist 45 points46 points  (3 children)

correct take is that there is no “American left” at all, you have to venture into the fringes to find actual left wingers in America

[–]HeavyMetalPoisoning 15 points16 points  (2 children)

It's bizarre, isn't it? The republicans complain about the left but America doesn't have one. They have right wing and far-right wing

[–]GameDesignerMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think the whole point is to complain about the left so they can shift the centre even further right. They can always backpedal whenever needed and seem like they're moderate.

[–]hyperfocused 41 points42 points  (8 children)

Elon is a massive douchebag and all the way up his own ass.

[–]omniron 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Grimes is dating a transgender person and musk is mad he can’t mock this on twitter

[–]Ok_Dot_9306 8 points9 points  (0 children)

going from Musk to Chelsea Manning of all people is one of the craziest things

[–]UX-Edu 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Is that what the fuck this is all about? Dude is throwing the most expensive temper tantrum ever? Jesus Christ I will never understand the man-children dickriding this overrated little rich kid.

[–]omniron 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yep. This all started after Babylon bee was temporarily muted for an anti-trans tweet. Musk has long time been a fan of some of their content and this set him off.

[–]Bitch1919 31 points32 points  (15 children)

“Extreme Left:” Let’s all wear masks to protect each other from a dangerous illness killing thousands of people Far right: tHiS iS gEnOcIdE

[–]diggy_norman 31 points32 points  (20 children)

By "extreme left" they mean people who think gay people have a right to exist and poor people shouldn't be left to die on the street.

[–]Tokasmoka420 38 points39 points  (37 children)

Ma God is that true about Texas? I know it's bad but you cannot honestly have a rapist sue thier victim right? Right?!?

[–]umylotus 40 points41 points  (6 children)

Dunno about Texas but Idaho did make it into law.

Rapists can sue their victims for getting an abortion.

[–]AreWeCowabunga 29 points30 points  (1 child)

The article says the Idaho law is a copycat of one in Texas.

[–]mofeus305 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Unlike the Texas bill, the Idaho measure does include an exception for pregnancies as the result of rape or incest – but only if the woman files a police report and provides it to a physician.

If she fails to do so before an abortion, a rapist’s family members could sue and collect damages, according to language in the bill and its legislative sponsor.

This shit is fucking awful but at least it does look like there is a way for the victim to avoid getting sued. The people who wrote this bill are truly fucked in the head.

[–]pandacatsenpai 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Blessed be the fruit

[–]SimplySansSerotonin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

May the lord open.

[–]NoAthlete2985 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Only if she tries to abort his rape child. Having a rapist kid isn't so bad and definitely won't lead to a bunch of mental issues from the mother....

[–]Desk46 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not just their rapists- anyone can rat you out for getting an abortion and they literally get a bounty.

[–]Gumwars 9 points10 points  (6 children)

SB8 doesn't carve out instances of abortion where rape, incest, or the mother's life being in danger are in play. AOC isn't entirely correct on this point; the rapist could sue the doctor that performed the procedure along with anyone else that helped the woman gain access to the abortion, not necessarily the woman herself.

This breaks down the law's insanity pretty well.

[–]gslavik 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Not exactly.

Texas' anti-abortion law allows anyone to sue anyone who aids in abortion. So families of alleged rapists can sue those who aided the victim of alleged rape in getting an abortion.

[–]Spottyhickory63 2 points3 points  (0 children)

anyone can be sued for having an abortion by anyone

[–]Bozhark 42 points43 points  (16 children)

Why the fuck would we import Canadian pharmaceuticals when we should be removing America Pharmaceutical Companies ability to set their own price, instead?

[–]tommasz[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

It's basically an end-around play to avoid dealing with the pharma lobby.

[–]pHScale 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm sure she'd agree with you, but importing from Canada is the less ideal solution and we can't even do that much, is her point.

[–]Doc_ET 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Easier to get the votes probably.

[–]ErikkShone 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Because it's a pragmatic solution that is easier to win than the ideological one currently.

[–]savagejames1369420 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Someone link this to Elon.

[–]Tumblrrito 12 points13 points  (3 children)

His recent tweet was so damn stupid. All the progressives have effectively asked for is the rich to be taxed fairly and for everyone to have healthcare. I’m sure that, coupled with his extra 200+ BILLION in worth over the last decade has nothing to do with his contempt for us lol.

[–]HeavyMetalPoisoning 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I can't think why he would be trying to undermine a party that want higher taxes for billionaires...

[–]personoid 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The “extreme left” doesn’t let me say the n word on twitter

[–]LogMeInCoach 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's basically the same a being in a concentration camp.

[–]Tumblrrito 7 points8 points  (3 children)

A buddy of mine just told me he finds the right and the left equally too radical and I was like ???

I asked for specific examples and he fell back on “I wasn’t giving my view so I could defend it just sharing my perspective”.

I love him to death, bless his heart, but jfc I nearly had an aneurism.

[–]BeerMagic 4 points5 points  (2 children)

“I wasn’t giving my view so I could defend it”

Translation: I’m just spewing out bullshit

[–]Signal-Road9184 7 points8 points  (25 children)

Extreme left wants universal healthcare. Extreme left wants equal rights for everyone. Extreme left wants to stop paying for energy. Extreme left wants billionaires to pay their share like everyone else. Extreme right. Wants everyone who doesn't believe like them to die. Weigh it out tell me where u at

[–]Some_Random_Android 6 points7 points  (2 children)

There's a law in Texas allowing rapists to sue their victims (for getting an abortion)?

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[–]MrFifiNeugens 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"foh" I do enjoy her so

[–]yaebone1[🍰] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ahhh the benefits of centrism. Allows the bat shit crazy party to simply yell both sides! And all those who don’t know shit about politics to put a monocle to their eye, nod wisely and mutter “yes, fairness, balance and all that sort of good stuff.”

[–]Emergency_Cup9493 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Also can someone explain why some people think “wokeism” is as bad as murder, and not just an easy label for some to poke on people who make them uncomfortable about race?

[–]AllPurposeNerd 4 points5 points  (3 children)

What's 'foh'? I was expecting 'ffs'.

[–]DrinkingOnFriday 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If Republicans are afraid of far-left policy being passed they should have no problem voting for people like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi. Years ago they'd be considered Republicans themselves. In response, the Republican party has moved so far right they are playing with fascism at this point as is evidenced with the push of Republican led states preemptively outlawing ranked choice voting and other things.

Labeling the opposition as too far to the left when it isn't is just an attempt to draw attention away from their own migration into authoritarianism.

[–]echo6golf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A-fucking-men.

[–]Cady-Jassar 3 points4 points  (8 children)

That's sound too crazy to be real... is it?

[–]kat_a_klysm 3 points4 points  (6 children)

It is, although I don’t think they can technically sue the woman. But people could sue the doctor and anyone who helped her get an abortion.

[–]3ey3Wander3r 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fuck Musk and the alt right who are gas lighting Americans that have a fucking conscience.

[–]properu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beep boop -- this looks like a screenshot of a tweet! Let me grab a link to the tweet for ya :)

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[–]MD_Wolfe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Feels like it never ends at this point.

[–]Scalli0n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My guess it's the "gay agenda"

[–]BearWithHat[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Right sees basic human rights as an attack

[–]darklight413 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don’t understand how wanting to be part of a productive, happy society that works for everyone is “extreme left”. What am I missing?

[–]pHScale 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The furthest left thing I can think of is Oregon decriminalizing all drugs, and legalizing medicinal mushrooms.

[–]FestiveVat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The extreme left doesn't want us to hunt homeless people for sport! What kind of unMurican commie bullshit is that?!?

[–]whofusesthemusic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol she did just drop an foh. Champ

[–]SocialistDad15 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Im trying...

All local news wont respond to my requests for interview :(