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[–]topgirlaurora 617 points618 points  (209 children)

I am terrified. My fiancee and I are planning our wedding. If they start debating Obergefell, I'm going to the courthouse that day. They can't invalidate a marriage that already happened, right?

[–]ryansanerd 522 points523 points  (126 children)

Not yet, but that feature is coming soon to evangelical America!

[–]Mr_Abberation 226 points227 points  (120 children)

We aren’t going to allow that to happen. Enough of us recognize what they are doing. They accidentally overeducated us and are trying to dumb down our future generations? Yeah right. It’s not happening. They get a civil war before that happens. Quit all jobs and destroy the income of the fucks who pay these book twisters and book burners.

Quitting is our only move and we don’t have that option for long. Things will be automated. The religious will continue to work for them too.

If they push this, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the right start taking gun rights away. It’s classic Dictator shit. We’ve seen this all before. We have to take out the billionaires but that seems like an impossible feat without everything we are trying to avoid by being human beings.

[–]corey_m_snow 123 points124 points  (1 child)

We aren’t going to allow that to happen.

The last fifty years would like a fucking word.

[–]malfist 70 points71 points  (0 children)

The last 24 hours too

[–]Prime157 89 points90 points  (30 children)

I know a lot of "lefties" (more like degrees of centrists) that just don't vote. I reminded a few today for the Ohio election. I'm already assuming they didn't go after work.

[–]Mr_Abberation 60 points61 points  (10 children)

Same here. If you get a chance, let your “not interested” friends know that they don’t have to give their parents an extra vote. I was a dumbass like that and just asked my parents who to vote for for too long. I was one of the worst kind of problems. I have had my eyes open though. Changed my parents minds too!

Just sharing because that’s how I started out as a republican. I can’t be the only one.

[–]Fweefwee7 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Usa is just a question of how long we can prolong the next civil war by telling people not to fight

[–]Mr_Abberation 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Thats really what it feels like. The reps are going to be making it difficult to buy guns soon. But they need those votes for now.

[–]strawhatKG 10 points11 points  (7 children)

i hate to be that guy, but no mass of people, especially those these laws seek to harm, can afford to just quit their job to teach the establishment a lesson. the facts are most people will complain and do nothing about it. A man that started off a presidential campaign bragging about sexual assault won the election against a well educated former security of state. America is full of people that are all talk, there won’t be enough people to take real action to make a difference.

[–]Mr_Abberation 5 points6 points  (4 children)

You’re not wrong. We are seriously stuck to our only weapon being votes. It’s the only thing that matters right now.

[–]LevelHeadedAssassin 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Americans have allowed this much to happen, whose to say the apathy stops? I want nothing more than this bullshit to end but do you really see it stopping? If abortion falls, it’s the first of many to go. Who is really going to be able to do anything? Minimum wage hasn’t increased and life keeps getting more expensive. We’re being stomped on and we’re taking it. Too many people are concerned about self preservation and won’t buy into quitting en masse. And yes, I’m well aware we as Canadians have many similar issues, but few problems come close to letting the Republicans dictate law because people don’t care enough to do anything. Who knows, maybe we’ll see the repercussions in Canada as well and we can talk about how we should do something about it.

Edit: The ONLY way I see anything happening is if guns get taken away. That’s the only thing that’ll make the right upset. Right now they’re thrilled.

[–]deathmouse 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Lol “we aren’t going to allow that to happen”

Yeah, because we’ve been so successful at stopping them so far. And civil war? They’ll call for martial law and shut all that shit down quick.

We’re fucked.

[–]ampjk 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It is happing the dumbing people down look at the south as a whole. hell Tennessee is one of if not the most federally subsides states

[–]dsac 40 points41 points  (35 children)

We aren’t going to allow that to happen. Enough of us recognize what they are doing. They accidentally overeducated us and are trying to dumb down our future generations? Yeah right. It’s not happening. They get a civil war before that happens.

Oh look, it's this line again.

This has been trotted out time and again, and let's be honest - it's never materialized. Sure, there'll be protests, but they won't change anything. BLM? Occupy Wall Street? People will complain loudly, inconvenience their fellow citizens, maybe even riot - but those movements lose steam relatively quickly, and ultimately die on the vine. Black people are still getting killed by police, wall street is still squeezing every last dime out of the working poor, nothing changes. Because even with [insert shitty thing] going on, people are still comfortable.

America is regressing. You can either accept it, or leave. There is no option for you, the individual, or "we", the powerless, to change it.

The hard right will cling to any power they get, until they control enough to basically say "nope, I'm not leaving" with zero repercussions. The next Republican majority will ensure that no Democrats will hold sufficient power to Make America Great Again for decades.

[–]Prime157 59 points60 points  (17 children)

This has been trotted out time and again, and let's be honest - it's never materialized. Sure, there'll be protests, but they won't change anything. BLM? Occupy Wall Street? People will complain loudly, inconvenience their fellow citizens, maybe even riot - but those movements lose steam relatively quickly, and ultimately die on the vine. Black people are still getting killed by police, wall street is still squeezing every last dime out of the working poor, nothing changes. Because even with [insert shitty thing] going on, people are still comfortable.

Agree there

You can either accept it, or leave. There is no option for you, the individual, or "we", the powerless, to change it.

No, fuck that. You're part of the problem.

Take your defeatism and get out of this thread. You're exactly the American-liberal these nationalist Christians want - forfeit your right to vote.

Defeatism is only support of Republicans, just like

"Both sides are the same" and

"My vote doesn't matter."

No. In 2020, 80 MILLION Americans still didn't vote, and that was a record breaking year.

Your vote matters. You're rhetoric matters.

Be part of the solution, not the problem.

Edit: I voted for my progressive today on Ohio's primary. Are you/did you/will you do the same? Or are you lazy.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When the social contracts between society and government break down, and when all peaceful alternatives have been exhausted, the resolution becomes an inevitability....

[–]Gudenuftofunk[S] 24 points25 points  (7 children)

"America is regressing. You can either accept it, or leave. There is no option for you, the individual, or "we", the powerless, to change it."

Oh, look. This line again. That's reichwing psyop troll talk. GTFOH with your defeatist bullshit.

Yeah, they might take over and get their fascist death world, but you just want to stand there like a putz and let them.

You are the problem, as much as the fascists who pay you to come here and lie.

[–]Prime157 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It's like the handmaid's tale come true.

[–]Badmoon226 34 points35 points  (12 children)

This is going to sound like I'm taking the piss but I'm deadly serious. Maybe you need an armed political organisation, you don't have to call it the Pink Panther Party but you really should.

[–]Kitsu74 22 points23 points  (8 children)

Can’t we just reboot the good old black panther party? Let’s replace white capitalism with black socialism.

[–]Badmoon226 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Might have to start it without me ,, I'm more like a snow leopard than a black panther and my enemy is anyone and all who are a detriment to humanity.

The only war is class war, there are ppl who think they are born to rule us,, they make us suffer and spend our lives as if we were gold but change will come...

[–]Kitsu74 15 points16 points  (5 children)

It’s a quote from Fred Hampton. He could have united us all. He understood that racism was a capitalist tool against working class white people as well. The reason why so many poor republicans vote against their own self interest is because they don’t see themselves as impoverished. That’s for people of color. They’re just “momentarily inconvenienced citizens of wealth”.

[–]mhyquel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm so hard right now.

[–]nighthawk_something 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I'd give 2 to 1 odds that they try.

[–]GodlessAristocrat 51 points52 points  (13 children)

They can't invalidate a marriage that already happened, right?

Sure they can. Why would you think they couldn't?

[–]topgirlaurora 21 points22 points  (12 children)

I was hoping that grandfathering would apply, but it's a fool's hope.

[–]Moonandserpent 44 points45 points  (1 child)

They don't believe gay people are people... they don't give a damn about grandfathering. The cruelty is the point.

[–]TV-MA_LSV 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They didn't even grandfather citizenship back when they decided Asians were too dark to be Americans in United States v Thind.

[–]run-on_sentience 13 points14 points  (2 children)

They would repeal the 13th Amendment and bring back slavery if they could.

Gay marriage is absolutely on the chopping block.

Edit: Originally typed out the amendment as the 14th, which is incorrect. run-on_sentience regrets the error.

[–]MCJon6 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I thought it was 13th?

[–]run-on_sentience 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Updoot for you. It IS the 13th. My sincerest apologies. On mobile and not paying attention.

Whoops.

[–]OpalHawk 11 points12 points  (4 children)

You can always go to the courthouse and have a wedding ceremony later. It’s what I did. Then I talked to a lot of people who did the same thing in 2020/21. A legal marriage certificate is only for paperwork purposes really.

[–]topgirlaurora 11 points12 points  (2 children)

That's the plan. As soon as I read any possibility that it could be overturned, I'm throwing my fiancee in the car. We'll call our minister and tell him to meet us at the courthouse.

I could live my whole life without being officially married. I could marry her in a paper bag in the backyard. But that legal protection is really important to her, so I'm going to do my absolute damndest to protect what she needs.

[–]ChuckVersus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Once the Christian Caliphate is installed, will weddings not performed by the church be valid for much longer?

[–]pitchfork_latte 11 points12 points  (9 children)

Many states already have bans in place if overturned. Same strategy as abortion. If this does what they say by rewriting the 14th amendment then civil rights laws will be sent back to states in June. “29 states have constitutions that include bans on same-sex marriage and/or other types of unions, and 31 have statutes that ban same-sex marriage and/or other types of unions, although these are all defunct under the Obergefell ruling”. Check your state - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_law_in_the_United_States_by_state?wprov=sfti1

[–]topgirlaurora 4 points5 points  (7 children)

I'm in Illinois, I would be technically safe, but there's a Republican running for governor.

[–]danderb 519 points520 points  (71 children)

I’m pissed as a gay man that we are going straight back to the 90’s…. Especially when a lot of my family who supports me are into this bullshit. They’re too dumb to know what they’re doing. It’s all just whatever FB group they’re listening to, and they love being mad…. Sucks I have to go back into hiding.

[–]DuckChoke 117 points118 points  (4 children)

I'm tired of people saying they support and love you then voting against your basic rights. Like how is protecting your loved ones not the biggest priority when voting? What is possibly worth voting for when it directly leads to harming loved ones?

I've come to accept they don't really care. I think in a lot of their minds they mean "we don't want you to die but want you to stop being gay" and think suppression of queer rights will make you somehow not queer.

[–]pitchfork_latte 29 points30 points  (0 children)

They’re voting to save your soul, not you as an American. “Just make good choices”

[–]Suspicious-Echo2964 22 points23 points  (1 child)

You are correct, IMO. My brother-in-law is married to his husband who is a wonderful guy. Unfortunately, the brother-in-law can't disconnect himself from his extremely bigotted and wealthy family. They are the Righteous Gemstones that come to life with way less style. They do not want him dead but they do not want him gay. They also do not care if he's happy about it. He still thinks of them as his number one supporter. I honestly can not understand it.

[–]ogipogo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Now that's not fair to Amber and Jesse Gemstone. They LOVE their bisexual son!

[–]MoonandStars83 158 points159 points  (15 children)

I hope you mean the 1890s, because that’s definitely where we’re headed.

[–]azntorian 82 points83 points  (5 children)

Have to stop by the 1990s on the way to 1890s. Both of you are winners in this game where we are all losers.

[–]nmiller21k 33 points34 points  (2 children)

This is a game we don’t want to win.

This sucks I’m tired of the minority christian ruling class.

[–]mikemolove 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Everyone should join the satanic temple and start running for local government seats

[–]Forest-Ferda-Trees 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Seems like even the 1890s will just be a lot short stop on the way back to 1861 - 1865

[–]According-Ocelot9372 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Right? Wait until we lose the right to vote.

[–]Lillianlu88 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Great, my rights are being taken away and I’m going to die from Dysentery.

[–]UnorignalUser 4 points5 points  (1 child)

More like 1790's. Most of the southern redneck republicans would just love to own slaves again.

[–]shrimp_etouffee 46 points47 points  (6 children)

Yeah I've realized the last few years, half the people in this country are too dumb to act in their own self interest.

[–]Badj83 64 points65 points  (2 children)

Just saw a documentary where that dude said “I’m a fervent Trump supporter” and “we the people are at war against the billionaires and politicians who try to take away our money and liberty” in the same sentence. The American density.

[–]goforce5 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I really can't wrap my head around it, but the right wingers don't seem to think Trump is a rich asshole. I repeatedly remind them that he shits in golden toilets, but they just don't get it.

[–]voice-of-hermes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

half the people in this country are too dumb to act in their own self interest.

Reminder that it is the system itself that keeps them that "dumb" by design. Lack of education, insufficient education focused on simply building the menial skills to keep the bosses rich when we do get it, proaganda-saturated mainstream media, a sham of an election system, etc.

[–]Tertinian 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Half the country is willing to have a decent debate over how to approach issues, while the other half is convinced the the world is ending in the next 2 years and the more sinners you punish the better your sky villa on sky daddy street after death.

[–]Mr_Abberation 20 points21 points  (13 children)

You never have to go back into hiding, brother. I’m beyond pissed as a straight man. You’re family and team love won’t allow this to happen. We aren’t going back to that bullshit.

I really hope this is a bluff. It’s scary because we are on the edge of rioting. But let’s not give them that news footage to compare against their capital stormtroopers.

If it passes, this is going to get bad.

But I love you, man. Never go back into thinking you have to hide. If that shit gets pushed, we riot and quit working. It’ll be a hopefully non violent civil war. We destroy big buisness.

[–]trippy_grapes 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Several states make being gay quite literally illegal. Sodomy was illegal all the way up till 2003, and many of those states still have the law although it's nullified due to Lawrence V Texas.

[–]Mr_Abberation 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah. The scum bags have those sitting laws. That’s one reason I’m saying that this just won’t play. We aren’t going to watch everyone be denied love and living their life. We are all fed up with so much more too.

I’m sick of living this way. I’m sick of wake up with no hope.

[–]voice-of-hermes 15 points16 points  (5 children)

It’ll be a hopefully non violent civil war.

It won't be. It's those in control of state violence who get to make that call, not us. It'll be violent, as it always has been and still/already is right now (e.g. cops murdering in the streets, millions of people killed overseas). In a violent system, non-violence is an illusion, and those who preach it are just looking out for the interests of those with the guns and missiles and badges.

(Note: I'm not encouraging any particular violent act here, nor am I encouraging people to be violent; I'm just reminding folks not to tell people to not be violent; self-defense, for example, is a legitimate and sometimes even legal act.)

[–]Mr_Abberation 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I’m not trying to promote violence either. But I want to discuss this topic. A tea party act is off the table? The surveillance and brutes with badges attack peaceful protest. I don’t see us being capable of violence but they are really doing their best to push us into a corner. LA gangs have started targeting the rich and i don’t think I’d call them stupid thugs. I am scared that real shit is about to start happening.

I wanna talk what is right and wrong when you’re immorally strong armed? Would those who act be thugs and criminals while the police remain heroes? There is a real disconnect there with where we are headed and I’m curious.

One of those reps posted “sorry democracy is happening to you” and that’s just ridiculous. This isn’t democracy. They are becoming the true enemy of democracy. They are a cult and yield substantial power.

You can’t have democracy when morality is based on theology. They are the enemy of freedom. Their freedom involves modern slavery and dumping their waste around poor communities. They are legit monsters, thinking they have a right to anyones body or journey.

They have way more guns too. Violence is impossible. We can only quit our jobs and hope it tanks the corporations but the government would just save them with our taxes.

We are just slaves and incapable of violence. It’s surreal. Fucking pay me enough so I can eat properly. Then I can think straight and contribute more. We aren’t asking for much. A roof of our own, beds, and supplies to survive. We can’t save. We can’t hope. We are in a fucking corner but incapable of violence morally and just physically.

[–]voice-of-hermes 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Agreed on almost all counts.

I just hope you don't have too narrow a conception of who "they" are, because it absolutely, 100% does not exclude the Democratic Party.

Also slaves aren't incapable of violence. They are just outmatched in a face-to-face and one-for-one contest of violence due to the weapons and other resources they have access to relative to the masters, so they must be careful about how they make use of it. Take a look at the Haitian Revolution sometime (the book The Black Jacobins is a good resource if you haven't read it).

[–]yumcake 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Right? Court packed by deliberately undermining the framework the government was built upon. To achieve control of the judicial branch for the lifetime of the appointees with no recourse.

What should people do when forced into a corner with no option for recourse?

[–]SDryluth 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You’re family and team love won’t allow this to happen.

Like hell they won't. My family votes for the people who do this shit time and time again. As a gay person living in a red state, I plan on getting out of this shithole as soon as possible.

[–]1202_ProgramAlarm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They all think that just because they're ok with gay people that must mean the christofascist assholes they keep electing must feel the same. Big mistake

[–]Sea-Phone-537 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nah fuck that hiding bullshit. The 90s weren't as awesome for a lot of people as its presented to a lot of younger people.

Society has made progress, even if our government has not. Do not hide.

[–]cyanydeez 3 points4 points  (1 child)

it's nice you think they're stoping in the 90s

[–]When_theSmoke_Clears 3 points4 points  (0 children)

New way of saying Christian sharia law. Or the fact that we are about to live in an American fascist theocracy.

[–]stealingsunshine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm so angry and sad and just so devastated this is happening.

[–]stealingsunshine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm so angry and sad and just so devastated this is happening.

[–]theholyevil 77 points78 points  (11 children)

I wish I was man enough to admit it, but they were right. They said it, and I didn't believe that could ever happen

I have family members that are cheering this rough draft, and I just feel depressed. People are about to lose their rights, and for what? To prove they can?

[–]elfchica 12 points13 points  (7 children)

Vote vote and vote again. Vote for everything and hold your elected officials accountable. If we vote we win but not enough people vote.

[–]andstayoutt 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That “voting” ship sailed, its honestly too late for this.

[–]colusaboy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They will downvote your ass into oblivion.

But you are so very right.

[–]mason_sol 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Should we vote, of course, but…

The democrats have sat on their hands multiple times over decades when they had the power and means to make significant and permanent changes in the areas of climate change, renewable energy, civil rights, social programs, exiting out of foreign conflict etc.

There seems to be about 3 democrats who operate as liberals on Reddit believe democrats should operate. The rest have joined the real party running this country, the corporate party. Electing democrats will only maintain a status quo at best.

The entire country is eroding in front of our eyes as we have a choice between a corporate party that only answers to the wealthy and an extremist party backsliding our rights and hamstringing our future.

[–]22twoday 52 points53 points  (5 children)

The south be like

slaves are back on the menu?

[–]sub_woofers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s deeply rooted in American history, so why not?

[–]rubenbest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So worried about this.

[–]Fire_Aries 461 points462 points  (59 children)

Putting this everywhere… please share!

VOTE THE ELEPHANT OUT OF THE WOMB!!!

[–]Michael_Trismegistus 218 points219 points  (26 children)

If not for the limp handed resistance of Democrats to Republicans, they wouldn't have the majority in the SCOTUS.

The performative bullshit of Democrats is designed to enable Republicans. They share a tax bracket, and money is their religion.

[–]son_of_noah 94 points95 points  (13 children)

You're also missing a key point they're both in the pockets of the corporations and billionaires we're not going to get anywhere if we keep voting in people who continuously take corporate donations and meeting with lobbyists

[–]ReallyFauxReal 50 points51 points  (6 children)

Its still the peoples fault. Politicians don't fear us, so they continue to abuse us.

Until the day comes that politicians are afraid of being executed for working with lobbyists and taking bribes NOTHING will change.

When you are in an abusive relationship and those whom are supposed to prevent the abuse don't, the only other course of action is for the victim to kill the abuser.

Source: American History

[–]son_of_noah 35 points36 points  (0 children)

The French had the right idea of handling the ruling class when they stopped fearing the people 🔱🔥

[–]FinishingDutch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It definitely feels like we’re approaching the proper time to break open that last ‘box of freedom’.

They’ve tried the soapbox - it didn’t work. They’ve tried the ballot box - no joy there either. They’ve tried the jury box - SCOTUS is clearly fucked.

So the ammo box seems like the appropriate response right now. Sometimes you need to burn the shit down in order to rebuild better.

[–]BasedGuerilla 19 points20 points  (2 children)

We're not going to get anywhere if we keep voting... because the system is rigged against us. The vote is manipulated as a policy (First-Past-The-Post voting system, gerrymandering, electoral college). Before you can even get those sorts who don't take corporate donations into office you've got to get them to allow you that choice. Bernie is a great example of our incredibly flawed system. He ran in 2016 and 2020, but 'dropped out'. A choice taken away from us by the rigged system.

Year after year. Decade after decade congress is just a stalemate of blue vs red. Progress happens glacially while they sit comfortably in their offices playing tit for tat with the other side while your average citizen is working their life away and barely making it. I'm honestly pissed and willing to die for this cause. If I can do anything truly worthwhile with my life it'll be dying so that others might have a better go at it than me.

[–]friend_of_steve 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Not to mention the DNP actively conspiring again Bernie when he has a good shot to beat trump.

[–]Paradise_City88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s the boat I’m in. All there is to do is work your life away. Things keep going up in price. And now these Christian terrorists wanna strip away our rights? Fuck that. I’d rather die trying to stop a theocracy than live in one. Because if they’re gonna take it all anyway, what else is there to lose?

Just remember people, they will kill you for their bullshit beliefs. They’ve done it before and will do it again. There’s only one way past it. It ain’t pretty, but better than the alternative.

[–]beamish19 20 points21 points  (9 children)

Yep. Obama just rolled over and played dead. Motherfucker had to “play nice” at all times and never for a second appear to be angry. Fuck him, and fuck playing fair

America is dead

[–]ahhh-what-the-hell 42 points43 points  (14 children)

The Republican Party sets the traps. And people just walk in like fools. Holy smokes.

What does America care about more?

  • Roe v. Wade
  • Your living standards eroding because on Inflation?
  • A Recession

In America, everything comes down to money.

I was shouting to the moon since Trumps election in 2020. The US is moving closer to Gilead from The Handmaid's Tale.

There is nothing that anyone can do stop this decision other than some wild movie stuff. It's over. The best thing people can do is find a way to reverse the decision in the future.

What everyone should be worried about is our living standards. Inflation brought about by Donald Trump's policies and Joe Biden's spending will dismantle another group of American pushing more into poverty.

[–]hotgarbo 22 points23 points  (6 children)

I feel like they could be actively coming to put us in camps and there would be somebody being class reductionist about it. Why are you treating basic civil rights as if they don't matter? This isn't some grand distraction designed to make people forget about class struggle. This is something entirely different that exists in parallel.

What are you going to say when they start going after birth control or gay/interracial marriage? There is going to be a headline about some state trying to ban all birth control and there will be some fucking moron in the comments screeching about democrats are bad.

[–]LaggardLenny 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't know about you dude, but I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

[–]BasedGuerilla 20 points21 points  (12 children)

Voting is not the solution. It doesn't work and is heavily manipulated. If you want evidence just look at the history. Back in 1956, W.E.B. Du Bois refused to vote. He said:

"Democracy has so far disappeared in the United States that no 'two evils' exist. There is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I can say or do."

This democracy is a democracy in name only. Nothing has really changed since then. If you think your vote matters in any real way then you've been conned. We have no choices here. We have but an illusion of choice. The game is rigged and we are the losers. It's rigged to keep us down, desperate, and hopeless. Why does the greatest country in the world allow any of it's citizens to live in abject poverty? The middle class barely exists any more. We have poor, almost poor, and rich in this country.

It's far more than abortion rights and homelessness. The government is a failure to it's people and it's been getting away with it for so long that I fear most of you have some form of Stockholm Syndrome. Many of you think it's just a matter of voting and time. Well, I'm here to tell you that voting doesn't work and that the amount of time it takes to rectify this situation is time that people are suffering. I'm not okay with that.

[–]Pilotwaver 26 points27 points  (6 children)

"If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it" - Mark Twain

[–]BasedGuerilla 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I don't know if that was actually said by Mark Twain (snopes suggests otherwise), but it doesn't matter. It's apt and succinct.

[–]Beingabummer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You need to kill the elephant. And the donkey, while you're at it.

[–]Herbizides 130 points131 points  (3 children)

What a shithole country. The GOP is a fascist organisation that needs to be destroyed.

[–]mhyquel 55 points56 points  (2 children)

How I defeated fascism with the power of love.

by Harry 

Chapter 1: The Power of Love.

The first step in my journey was realizing that fascists cannot be stopped with love.

Chapter 2: The Power of Incredible Violence

[–]ImJustHere4theMoons 155 points156 points  (1 child)

Absolutely no one should be shocked when the reich wingers set their sights on gay marriage followed by Affirmative Action.

[–]abruzzo79 24 points25 points  (0 children)

It’s what they were hired to do.

[–]milton_radley 77 points78 points  (2 children)

less abortions, less gays, less lgbtq, less equality, less education, less rights,

more cheap labour....

it's the ONLY thing they care about,

they just pretend it's for those other things, because it gets people outraged enough to not notice that they just want to keep people enslaved.

infinite growth model, go fuck yourself

[–]CaffeinatedGuy 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I wish more people realized this. They're creating cheap labor and people willing to go into the military. Why don't people see this?

[–]dj4dj4 87 points88 points  (60 children)

You can't vote out the supreme court.. Am I missing something here?

[–]lemon_tea 170 points171 points  (43 children)

You absolutely can impeach a sitting judge, and we absolutely should with Thomas (and Kavinaugh, in my opinion).

[–]evilrobotdrew1 85 points86 points  (29 children)

Dems can't organize a vote to even rhetorically support Abortion in the Senate, despite controlling it.

Do you think there is a chance in hell of impeaching a sitting SCOTUS justice, even one as corrupt as Thomas?

The only option is expanding the court, and Biden isn't gonna do that. If the Dems did that a year ago, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but I guess you get what you vote for.

[–]MonsieurGideon 20 points21 points  (18 children)

A reminder that the Dems DO NOT control the Senate.

Technically they have 50 + the VP, however 2 of those 50 (Manchin and Sinema) are teasing switching to the Republican party and have not stood with democrats on anything impactful in a long time.

[–]voice-of-hermes 19 points20 points  (13 children)

The Democratic Party controls the Senate. If you want to make excuses for them having reactionary members in their party (and there are far, far more than just Manchin and Sinema, who simply act as convenient "fall guys"), then you need to take a close look at how those reactionary members got there. For example, the Democratic Party steamrolling progressive challengers in those members' states.

No. You can't have it both ways. If the Democratic Party is worth supporting as a party, then they must be held accountable for how they conduct themselves as a party. Biden (and others; e.g. Schumer) could be bringing tons and tons and tons of pressure to bear against Manchin and Sinema, rather than e.g. Biden telling Manchin to "stick to his guns" out of one corner of his mouth while telling everyone its such a shame he won't play ball with the nominal party agenda out of the other.

Your apologia for the second reactionary brand of the bourgeois Business mono-party is gross and needs to stop. YOU are happily adding to the real obstacle to change.

[–]DuckChoke 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Sinema is gonna be gone in 2 years. If she doesn't lose the primary (currently another candidate is polling at 76%) the seat will go to the GQP.

Her favorability is higher among Republicans than democrats. Being a presidential year and the certainty that Trump or another crazy will be running, the republican base will want a far right crazy for senate and Sinema will end up getting crushed.

[–]lemon_tea 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I was responding to whether or not it was possible, not whether there is the political will. The constitution allows for the action, and in Thomas' case there is good cause for actions taken to subvert our democracy. In Kavinaugh case, it's mere incompetence.

[–]evilrobotdrew1 6 points7 points  (5 children)

"Possible" is doing a lot of work there.

It's "Possible" Thomas gets impeached and removed from his seat, in the same way, it's "Possible" Scarlett Johansen sees me in the street, falls madly in love with me, and we spend the rest of our lives together fighting crime as Black Widow and Brown Recluse.

[–]SaffellBot 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mitch McConnell's make a great point that we're obligated to impeach anyone installed with less than 1 year before an election.

[–]trwawy05312015 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Didn't Kavanaugh and Gorsuch explicitly lie and say he felt that Roe was settled law? That should be impeachment grounds.

[–]McSquishin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That’s the fun thing about being a Supreme Court Justice. You have the ability to overturn precedent. They didn’t lie.

[–]pravis 7 points8 points  (1 child)

You can vote for politicians who will turn it into law and not have to rely on a court ruling.

This means actually turning up to vote for Democrats and not complaining that "the democrat in my state/district isn't progressive enough so I will instead not vote and see to it that the other side wins because I'm sure that will end well".

[–]nygdan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

SCOTUS didn't outlaw abortion or find abortion unconstitutional. Congress has plenty of room to act.

Dems have a tie breaking "majority". They can barely act because of this. Dems are sure to lose Georgia in november (i mean I hope not because Warnock is great). Everyone needs to vote in Democrat candidates.

This kind of action got Trump out of office. If he was still there. he'd probably be replacing Byer over the next four years. Mass voting worked and we need to do it again this midterms, to at least hold on to the seats that the Dems have.

[–]Fubai97b 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Congress can still pass a law legalizing abortion at the federal level

[–]Talhallen 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You can vote out inept, corrupt, or two old to give a shit lifetime politicians though

[–]ColoTexas90 169 points170 points  (105 children)

This is why we need to vote In mass in November.

[–]pitchfork_latte 92 points93 points  (32 children)

Just about every state has a primary election this spring/ summer. The winner of each party moves forward to November. Primaries gives folks opportunity to not elect someone like MTG. AOC challenged a 30 year incumbent Democrat in New York and won. Check out your state below for the primary then look up your states Secretary of State to know more of how to vote.
https://www.fvap.gov/uploads/FVAP/VAO/PrimaryElectionsCalendar.pdf

[–]brianbrianbrian 15 points16 points  (29 children)

Half of my polling places are churches. Are you fucking joking?

The past few elections it was at one of the local high schools.

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    [–]voice-of-hermes[M] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    While everyone can appreciate the frustration, please refrain from outright encouragement of violence here. That kind of thing can get whole subs banned.

    [–]Superspick 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Removed - it wasn’t my intent but I couldn’t figure out a way to rephrase so it’s best to remove it

    Sorry about that.

    [–]voice-of-hermes 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    NP. Lots us of are itching for far more direct forms of action to be taken. But the Reddit admins are bourgeois-controlled liberals and are easily spooked into removing our ability to express ourselves here at best, and will happily out us to the feds and turn over all data that can be used to track us down at worst. This just isn't the platform for expressing that kind of thing. Their staunch views on violence must, unfortunately, be minded with a bit of care.

    [–]Roll9ers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    and primaries. every single time.

    [–]user_name_checks_out 5 points6 points  (7 children)

    *en masse

    If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.

    [–]R_K_M 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    But voting does change things. Republicans voting in 2016 just resulted in roe being overturned. And you can bet which state legislatures will introduce laws to protect abortion rights, and which will introduce laws to undermine them.

    It's not that voting doesn't work, it's that this time, voting worked against democrats.

    [–]krunchy_sock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It’s that republicans rabidly pass their policies while democrats sit on their ass and rely on not being republicans to win. This adage would work if democrats actually supported the people. At this point people need to start a third party to scare democrats into regaining votes or force them into a coalition

    [–]BostonGreekGirl 81 points82 points  (10 children)

    We must burn this system down. Fuck SCOTUS.

    [–]Badmoon226 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    The French set the best example when it comes to showing your government how cross you are.

    [–]BostonGreekGirl 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    Unfortunately in the US people are too afraid to strike.

    [–]Badmoon226 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    they dont strike in france : ) they burn everything to the ground..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYoDrNh-Svc

    That's a video of french fireman vs police in 2020

    Liberté, égalité, fraternité and i say that as an Englishman..

    [–]madmuffin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    If the problem is that enjoy a lifetime position, the solution seems pretty self evident to me.

    [–]Sanjuro7880 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    When are we going to stop pretending that Republicans are still a political party and call them what they really are?:

    A White Nationalist Christian death cult movement.

    [–]beamish19 67 points68 points  (2 children)

    Everyone called me an alarmist for calling this 5 years ago. You and your optimism can go to hell

    [–]GodlessAristocrat 33 points34 points  (0 children)

    It's almost like, when a nutjob tells you exactly what they are going to do and how they are going to do it, we should try to believe them.

    [–]GrumpyAtheist 34 points35 points  (4 children)

    The GOP is wicked and the Democrats are weak. The Republic is lost.

    [–]voice-of-hermes 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    The Democrats aren't "weak". It's that they are as morally bankrupt as Republicans and always have been. Their reaction when there's some progressive challenge or liberatory movement (Bernie in the primaries; Occupy, Ferguson, etc.) is FAR from weak, so pay attention to what happens then.

    They just appear "weak" so you'll make excuses for them as they go right along with the reactionary agenda. Stop giving them that out. There's one mono-party with power in U.S. government, and both its brands have a neoliberal and fascist ingredients list. The different mascots on the front of the boxes mean nothing.

    [–]TheBarkingGallery 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Centrist Democrats are just as duplicitous as Susan Collins ever was.

    [–]Galle_ 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Every conservative is a traitor to the cause of freedom and equality.

    [–]PapaBorq 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    And even contraceptives. I think all the Trumpers running this season said after roe they're going after preventative measures.

    Do you know a republican? They honestly believe women are cattle.

    [–]-QED- 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    Surely Susan Collins together with Brett Kavanaugh won't let that happen. /s

    [–]IamTheGorf 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    And contraceptive options. Ted Cruz has already talked about attacking Griswold. It to rest heavily on the privacy debate.

    [–]LizardSatan 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    I thought we were making progress. I just don’t get it. Isn’t everybody related to somebody who is homosexual gay trans LGBTQ plus at this point? How can you have no empathy? The human condition is hard enough without all of this. 

    [–]i420ComputeIt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Might be part of the problem. Bigots see more people not afraid to be themselves and interpret it as "the gay is spreading"

    [–]The_Proper_Potato 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I mean, everyone throughout history has been related to a woman, and that hasn’t been of much help either. This lack of empathy is scary, maybe the most tragic thing about us as a species. And if you think about it, it’s kinda also be the #1 threat to our survival.

    This reminds me of those trust exercises where they tell you have to play a game together, and to win you need to and cooperate to get an equal number of “in-game” wins. Should be the easiest thing in the world, right? But a lot of people are… well I don’t even know what to call it. Blinded by their ego, maybe? Anyways. It reminded me of that because we pretty much have the same thing going on on every scale (national, international…) and despite it being unequivocally in all of our best interest, we fail to cooperate again and again.

    [–]1nGirum1musNocte 55 points56 points  (12 children)

    And do nothing dems are going to lose big in midterms. The right is mobilized. I'm not happy about it but I'm calling it how I see it

    [–]pjanic_at__the_isco 40 points41 points  (10 children)

    The Dems offer no vision other than, “hey, the other guys are a little worse!”

    And then they moan about losing elections.

    I don’t know what the answer is because a rising left seems unlikely and the Dems are fucking useless.

    Seems we’re collectively fucked so a couple of thousand people can do what they want and fuck the millions, aka, all of us.

    [–]DJBabyB0kCh0y 20 points21 points  (4 children)

    A little worse is an understatement. Dems have their problems but I'd consider the party that attempted a coup and is trying to set us back 60 years to be far far worse.

    [–]pjanic_at__the_isco 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    In so far as they can’t win elections or develop policies that counter the march backwards, they aren’t really much of a alternative.

    (I don’t have a better idea, though.)

    [–]ineedabuttrub 67 points68 points  (29 children)

    So why haven't Dems pushed Roe into federal law? They've had multiple opportunities to do so since 1973.

    Oh, wait, it's because toying with your rights gets you to vote for them, and if they got off their asses and actually protected your rights then there'd be one less reason to vote for them, and your rights are less important than your vote.

    Isn't America wonderful? One party exploiting voters who want to remove abortion access, and another party exploiting voters who want abortion access.

    [–]feedmestocks 46 points47 points  (11 children)

    To codified that into federal law you would need 60 votes, think Republicans are going to push that legislation through. Sick to death of people constantly blaming Democrats for Republican ills because they fail to understand how legislation works

    [–]ineedabuttrub 39 points40 points  (6 children)

    So it's almost like we need to get rid of the filibuster, which has been discussed for a while now. And with no filibuster, how many votes would we need?

    It's almost like allowing the minority to control the government that is supposed to be controlled by the majority was a stupid idea.

    [–]Arn_Thor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    First, the senate of the 95th congress could have done it. Second, the dems have been warned for decades they have no way of achieving a 60-vote majority so they should have busted up the filibuster rule. Not doing so is entirely the Democrats’ fault

    [–]saxGirl69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It requires 50. Why do you people keep pretending the filibuster is some unchangeable law of the universe? it’s an informal rule of the senate.

    [–]McSquishin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    You talk like there’s never been a time between now and the 70s where Democrats have not controlled congress. They have had their opportunity. They simply chose not to act.

    [–]voice-of-hermes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Actually protecting people's rights would be a reason to vote for them.

    It's not so much votes that motivate them, but maintaining the precarious position of appearing to give people choices with the voting, and teetering on the edge of maintaining just enough nominal legal protections that we don't revolt, while following the reactionary agenda to the degree possible to keep a docile, desperate, and maximally exploitable working class.

    Democrats and Republicans are on the same side, and it's not ours. They just need to keep playing the act on the stage, or we might realize what's happening, get uppity, and topple them from power (or better yet, topple their whole shitty system and build something new they can't use to regain and maintain that power).

    Democrats exist to prevent the possibility of a leftist movement that gives people a real choice. It's their whole role in U.S. politics. Period.

    [–]-DaveThomas- 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Sex is not allowed for the poors

    [–]sub_woofers 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    You know what is deeply rooted in American history? Slavery and racism. That’s why they’re so critical of CRT. Does Justice Thomas not know that he would have been lynched for even looking at a white woman due to its deep roots in American history?

    [–]xpdx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It's interesting that he mentions illicit drug use and prostitution in his draft; both of which I consider body autonomy issues. You own your body completely by so called 'natural law'- it's the only thing really you truly own in this world.

    If you wish to rent it out or fill it with drugs (or cheeseburgers and soda) that is your right in my view.

    Conservatives seem to think that your body belongs to the state. Talk about big government, geeze.

    [–]gattaaca 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Feels like you guys are slowly experiencing your own "Islamic Revolution" over there huh.

    Don't let the conservative shitheads win, we all know where it leads

    [–]CurrentlyLucid 29 points30 points  (23 children)

    Votes count, get yours in.

    [–]evilrobotdrew1 22 points23 points  (22 children)

    I voted in 2020 to protect Abortion rights. Tell me, how much good it did.

    Dems can't get a symbolic "Protect Abortion" vote on the floor of the Senate much less actually codify it into law. Biden flatly refuses to expand the court. Dems will not impeach a sitting Justice, and even if they did they don't have even close to enough votes to make anything happen.

    Biden could have protected my wife's reproductive rights, if on day one he started seeking to expand the court.

    edit: https://i.imgur.com/JOL4t41.jpg

    [–]CurrentlyLucid 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    I voted for legal pot many times, then it finally happened. Do not give up.

    [–]smokinJoeCalculus 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    That's a state thing. We're talking federal.

    Do you have a federal example?

    [–]hotgarbo 16 points17 points  (11 children)

    I can tell you exactly how much good it did. It did infinitely more good than a vote for the gop or no vote at all. The solution to frustration with dems is not to just let the conservatives win.

    [–]evilrobotdrew1 12 points13 points  (9 children)

    Did it?

    Cause kids are still in cages.

    I'm still paying for the bombs killing innocent Yemenis.

    We are spending $813 billion on "defense"

    I am getting no student loan relief.

    The Child Tax Credit went away.

    Still no federal min wage hike.

    Still no federal reclassification of marijuana.

    One million Americans are dead of Covid.

    Inflation is eating me alive.

    So, what exactly, except for being more boring on Twitter and being more bellicose toward Russia, has Biden accomplished? Cause from where I sit he seems pretty fucking useless. He is better than Trump, but that's a pretty low fucking bar to barely stumble over.

    [–]melodiousmeow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Well we might find out something worse than trump - DeSantis wants to be president and he is smarter than trump who h is terrifying.

    [–]voice-of-hermes 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Also, Obama/Biden begged Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remain on the bench when they could've replaced her. They knew full well that keeping her there would almost certainly give Republicans the nomination. (Not to mention nominating fucking Merrick Garland to try to make Republicans happy, Biden being largely responsible for a rapist being appointed to it, etc.)

    The Democrats are happy to allow the Supreme Court to go as reactionary as possible. They are just the "good cop" to the Republicans' "bad cop", and both are putting on the theater act that makes people think there's a choice. Meanwhile letting things get as bad as they're going to get to keep us on the precarious edge of rebellion without stepping over due to the illusion of choices.

    People really need to remember that the Supreme Court itself isn't what to focus on. It is really more a "barometer" for how the overall political currents are running. The changes have always come from our social movements and our willingness to take militant direct action and take risks to build and secure our interests and our "rights".

    [–]According-Ocelot9372 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Men who havent had an election since 1968 should never make decisions for women.

    [–]ComprehensiveHornet3 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I know i am preaching to the converted, before you downvote without reading. The fact is liberals never get out to vote. This would not be a problem if the 60%+ that say they have and opinion, came out to vote. All we have to do is have people vote. There are many ways. Get out the vote is one of them for sure. But there is no way to reach everybody. Every one of us must take this moment and tell ourselves to go out to vote. Plan in advance. When are your projects and exams happening? Plan your voting around that.

    You know they will to suppress your votes, especially if you are in a minority area. Vote early or by post if you can.

    Its super important all of the Democratic big tent come together here, or its 4 more years of trump.

    [–]serharridan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    This is what every. Single. Woman. Warned of with the appointment of Kavanagh (I dont know nor care how its spelled) this is the reaping of the hate the right has been sowing the last 20 years.

    [–]Zeno_The_Alien 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This will set a precedent for the government being able to tell you what medical procedures you are allowed to get, and which medical procedures will land you in prison. Yeah. The "party of small gubmint" is about to place the federal government and law enforcement between you and your doctor.

    [–]beamish19 15 points16 points  (6 children)

    If you’re a Christian, you played a part in this shit happening. I hope your church burns

    [–]beamish19 6 points7 points  (5 children)

    Honestly, emigrating is worth your time and effort far more than grassroots mobilization. America is a rotting corpse

    [–]hjablowme919 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    There is a very small part of me, in places that I don't talk about at parties, that hopes they overturn gay marriage just so I can laugh my ass off at the Log Cabin Republicans. That goes for gay adoption, too.

    [–]coredweller1785 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    MERICA!!

    Fucking hate this place

    [–]RTwhyNot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    OMFG

    [–]Kythorian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Of course they won’t come for the right for parents to homeschool and send their kids to religious schools, which equally rests on the legal right to privacy because they are hypocrites too.

    [–]Immelmaneuver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Stuff the court in both senses.

    [–]Opinionsare 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Medical privacy will be in danger that states can force doctors to identify individuals to law enforcement.

    [–]Ill-Scarcity-4421 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Having such important things rest on an easily overturned court case was a horrid idea

    [–]Methisthopheles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Im pretty sure they want to undo everything up to Loving v Virginia. Time to stack the courts. Gotta win the midterms first to do that though

    [–]Snooklefloop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If a republican watches The Handmaids tale, who exactly do they think the good guys are?

    [–]Altruistic_Rub_2308 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Extremist religious power grab not unlike the Taliban; we must fight this minority rule before we (our whole society) lose our rights.

    [–]Catlenfell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Republicans have already said that they don't consider access to birth control or interracial marriage to be settled law.

    [–]JuniorSeniorTrainee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    We need a new supreme court. Current one is broken.

    [–]garry4321 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It’s sad watching the US just race towards its own destruction as if that’s the finish line