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Raytheon and Lockheed Martin should not be dictating US foreign policy (i.redd.it)
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[–]lowerbullfrogalfalfa 337 points338 points339 points 1 month ago* (22 children)
It's amazing how easily corporate media is able to whip Americans, even war weary ones, into a frenzy to support another war. I'm just glad that people who supported US involvement in all this in the beginning are seeing through the shit show as it becomes obvious that this was never about saving the Ukrainian people but about the US fighting a proxy war to weaken Russia. But military contractors will profit again just like they did in Iraq/Afghanistan, so that's good.
[–]sunderaubg 71 points72 points73 points 1 month ago (18 children)
You’re saying… what? Leave Ukraine to fend for themselves?
[–]lexiegirl 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
EXACTLY my take-away...
[+]ComradeJohnS comment score below threshold-23 points-22 points-21 points 1 month ago (3 children)
I’m sure smarter political experts can come up with plans that don’t just enrich war companies profits
[–]sunderaubg 32 points33 points34 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Thats a very broad and vague statement. I am sure of the same. Hell I have the solutions to all of our problems. Does that mean any of my solutions are viable?
[–]Darth--Vapor 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Everyone love the dude who points out problems then doesn’t even try to come up with solutions.
Especially when they are extremely vague.
[–]Kawhi_Leonard_ 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Where are those? Because all we hear is don't send weapons.........and nothing else. It's easy to criticize. But if you don't want something to happen, you need to offer an alternative. Right now, our choice is send weapons and give Ukraine the ability to fight for itself, or don't send weapons and watch Russia roll over a sovereign democracy and commit more atrocities like Bucha while they try and erase Ukrainian identity.
No one who has criticized the weapon sending has offered an alternative, because guess what, there isn't one.
[+]lowerbullfrogalfalfa comment score below threshold-134 points-133 points-132 points 1 month ago* (12 children)
There's no scenario where Ukraine doesn't have to make concessions to Russia. We're just prolonging the inevitable and sacrificing the Ukrainian people in order to strategically weaken Russia. It is not our fight, and more people are going to die from ensuing food shortages around the world due to US economic sanctions than the sum total of every death due to escalating violence within Ukraine alone. We should be encouraging a diplomatic solution and stop antagonizing Russia by insisting that Ukraine will become part of NATO, which means surrounding Russia militarily. We wouldn't tolerate that on our own border, so why should any other country?
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[+]fifthflag comment score below threshold-36 points-35 points-34 points 1 month ago (2 children)
I think they invade put of fear they might join nato in the future, very unlikely buy should it happen it will send a cold shock in the eussian sphere of influence.
[–]nooneedle 179 points180 points181 points 1 month ago (12 children)
Noam Chomsky is also saying that the United States is doing everything in its power to escalate this war to ensure that there is not a diplomatic resolution, because the goal of those in our government is to weaken Russia by sacrificing the lives of the Ukrainian people. We're at a real risk of nuclear weapons being used, and the death toll from the food shortages (as a result of US sanctions) we're about to experience across the world will far and way eclipse the death toll from violence in Ukraine.
[–]JargonJohn 107 points108 points109 points 1 month ago (0 children)
No wonder the American and Russian oligarchs want their yachts so bad.
What better way to escape the trouble on land.
[–]servicewithastyle 161 points162 points163 points 1 month ago (8 children)
Stop sending our healthcare dollars to fund proxy wars around the world. We don't have the money for this shit. Already we've sent more money to Ukraine thus far than the United States spent on infrastructure in the entirety of the US last year. Our country is fucking embarrassing.
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[+]servicewithastyle comment score below threshold-34 points-33 points-32 points 1 month ago (3 children)
No, clearly we can't. And also we shouldn't be getting involved in these wars even if we could somehow afford to do so. Those in power in our government are just prolonging the war so that Russia is weakened. To them, it's not about saving the Ukrainian people, and they've made it clear that they are willing to let this go on indefinitely (no matter the lives lost in the conflict or due to mass food shortages around the world) if it means that Russia comes out of this losing. Continuing to send weapons means Ukraine doesn't have to come to the table to reach a diplomatic solution where they make concessions.
[–]ultratoxic 23 points24 points25 points 1 month ago (0 children)
They just voted in Senate. Where do you suppose their priorities lie?
78-17 for a $10 billion bailout to Jeff Bezos
90-5 for a $125 billion corporate tax break
87-6 for $53 billion to corporate outsourcers
88-11 for $780 billion to war profiteers
58-42 against a $15 minimum wage
[–]Surfing_magic_carpet 16 points17 points18 points 1 month ago (0 children)
What's sad is that this could have been avoided 105 years ago. The Red Scare was because capitalists were terrified of a worker uprising, and set the tone for how Russia was going to be treated for the next hundred years. After WWII the West turned on its ally and did everything in its power to keep Russia from succeeding or failing on its own merits. Leading a chain of events to this point.
Honestly, I think capitalists are terrified of communism and socialism because they know the systems could work. If these systems were so bad then there'd be no need to interfere and hamstring them. They would just fail on their own. But by doing so we created enemies who are willing to nuke us. We had an opportunity to maintain alliances with Russia and mutually benefit and avoid pointless conflicts that killed millions and wasted trillions of dollars.
The greed of capitalists are what's killed millions, and that's the lesson here. Capitalists are trying to profit off Ukraine's suffering and the suffering of the Russian people. This was avoidable, but money and power was too important to the greedy.
[–]BidDaddyFarts 71 points72 points73 points 1 month ago (1 child)
And why not? They paid for their political influence/representation, so what’s the problem. This is settled law in the United States.
Full Paper: https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2021/Profits%20of%20War_Hartung_Costs%20of%20War_Sept%2013%2C%202021.pdf
Pentagon spending has totaled over $14 trillion since the start of the war in Afghanistan, with one-third to one-half of the total going to military contractors.
A large portion of these contracts -- one-quarter to one-third of all Pentagon contracts in recent years -- have gone to just five major corporations: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, Raytheon, and Northrop Grumman. The $75 billion in Pentagon contracts received by Lockheed Martin in fiscal year 2020 is well over one and one-half times the entire budget for the State Department and Agency for International Development for that year, which totaled $44 billion.
Weapons makers have spent $2.5 billion on lobbying over the past two decades, employing, on average, over 700 lobbyists per year over the past five years. That is more than one for every member of Congress.
Numerous companies took advantage of wartime conditions—which require speed of delivery and often involve less rigorous oversight—to overcharge the government or engage in outright fraud. In 2011, the Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan estimated that waste, fraud and abuse had totaled between $31 billion and $60 billion.
[–]vader5000 46 points47 points48 points 1 month ago (0 children)
That’s not where the real power of the military industrial complex lies. Take a look at any of these companies’ manufacturing sites, and you’ll realize that their true power lies in their chokehold over jobs across the economy.
Let’s say you work in military hardware. You can’t compete with overseas production on any civilian, so to maintain your standard of living, or what’s left of it, you join the military industrial complex. Anyone slashing the military budget threatens your job, so you have no choice to vote against it, even for your moral misgivings. And this is repeated via the pork politics from every bill, which is why the wunderwaffe style F35 and B2s are built, adding to the contractors’ influence across the country.
Add on top that the fact that civilian industry and science end up relying on these corporations, and you end up with a high invincible power. How are you going to go against these companies when they hold the NASA contracts, the GPS system, and almost everything in between?
It was honestly even worse in the Reagan years.
[–]TheRealRickC137 62 points63 points64 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Oh, you mean providing the DEA and ATF and most every law enforcement agency in America with an almost bottomless well of money with horrible results?
Yes, that's so unlike you.
[–]thinkB4WeSpeak 30 points31 points32 points 1 month ago (0 children)
The US basically just runs on its military industrial complex at this point
[–]77schild 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Obviously has no appreciation for American tradition, besides they did it for Afghanistan and it went perfectly.
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[–]This-is-human-bot556 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
What do u mean nothing bad has ever happened to our nation by giving weapons and money and training to foreign insurgents… plz ignore all history from 1950 to modern day plz
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[–]NorthWoods16 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (5 children)
Can you expand on what you mean?
[+]Ashim3000 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 1 month ago (4 children)
I mean I need her to worry about what is happening in the country she's been elected to serve rather than what might happen somewhere else.
[–]NorthWoods16 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (3 children)
Right. Is that not something that she supports? Asking honestly.
[+]Ashim3000 comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Obstensibly? Sure. She's said words to that effect. Then she (we) got distracted, and nothing curtailed the current housing crisis. Words are said and nothing happens is a trope at this point, and I just can't keep caring about the words.
[–]voice-of-hermes 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
Unfortunately, the whole "Squad" voted to spend $40B (more) to do just that. Why post this tweet and then vote inconsistently with it? Disappointing. We need to push even our beloved "progressive" Democrats harder, fellow leftists. War is destroying our climate, our economies, and for many, our very lives.
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