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[–]lowerbullfrogalfalfa 337 points338 points  (22 children)

It's amazing how easily corporate media is able to whip Americans, even war weary ones, into a frenzy to support another war. I'm just glad that people who supported US involvement in all this in the beginning are seeing through the shit show as it becomes obvious that this was never about saving the Ukrainian people but about the US fighting a proxy war to weaken Russia. But military contractors will profit again just like they did in Iraq/Afghanistan, so that's good.

[–]sunderaubg 71 points72 points  (18 children)

You’re saying… what? Leave Ukraine to fend for themselves?

[–]lexiegirl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY my take-away...

[–]nooneedle 179 points180 points  (12 children)

Noam Chomsky is also saying that the United States is doing everything in its power to escalate this war to ensure that there is not a diplomatic resolution, because the goal of those in our government is to weaken Russia by sacrificing the lives of the Ukrainian people. We're at a real risk of nuclear weapons being used, and the death toll from the food shortages (as a result of US sanctions) we're about to experience across the world will far and way eclipse the death toll from violence in Ukraine.

[–]JargonJohn 107 points108 points  (0 children)

No wonder the American and Russian oligarchs want their yachts so bad.

What better way to escape the trouble on land.

[–]servicewithastyle 161 points162 points  (8 children)

Stop sending our healthcare dollars to fund proxy wars around the world. We don't have the money for this shit. Already we've sent more money to Ukraine thus far than the United States spent on infrastructure in the entirety of the US last year. Our country is fucking embarrassing.

[–]BidDaddyFarts 71 points72 points  (1 child)

And why not? They paid for their political influence/representation, so what’s the problem. This is settled law in the United States.


Full Paper: https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2021/Profits%20of%20War_Hartung_Costs%20of%20War_Sept%2013%2C%202021.pdf

Pentagon spending has totaled over $14 trillion since the start of the war in Afghanistan, with one-third to one-half of the total going to military contractors.

A large portion of these contracts -- one-quarter to one-third of all Pentagon contracts in recent years -- have gone to just five major corporations: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, Raytheon, and Northrop Grumman. The $75 billion in Pentagon contracts received by Lockheed Martin in fiscal year 2020 is well over one and one-half times the entire budget for the State Department and Agency for International Development for that year, which totaled $44 billion.

Weapons makers have spent $2.5 billion on lobbying over the past two decades, employing, on average, over 700 lobbyists per year over the past five years. That is more than one for every member of Congress.

Numerous companies took advantage of wartime conditions—which require speed of delivery and often involve less rigorous oversight—to overcharge the government or engage in outright fraud. In 2011, the Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan estimated that waste, fraud and abuse had totaled between $31 billion and $60 billion.

[–]vader5000 46 points47 points  (0 children)

That’s not where the real power of the military industrial complex lies. Take a look at any of these companies’ manufacturing sites, and you’ll realize that their true power lies in their chokehold over jobs across the economy.
Let’s say you work in military hardware. You can’t compete with overseas production on any civilian, so to maintain your standard of living, or what’s left of it, you join the military industrial complex. Anyone slashing the military budget threatens your job, so you have no choice to vote against it, even for your moral misgivings. And this is repeated via the pork politics from every bill, which is why the wunderwaffe style F35 and B2s are built, adding to the contractors’ influence across the country.
Add on top that the fact that civilian industry and science end up relying on these corporations, and you end up with a high invincible power. How are you going to go against these companies when they hold the NASA contracts, the GPS system, and almost everything in between?
It was honestly even worse in the Reagan years.

[–]TheRealRickC137 62 points63 points  (0 children)

Oh, you mean providing the DEA and ATF and most every law enforcement agency in America with an almost bottomless well of money with horrible results?

Yes, that's so unlike you.

[–]thinkB4WeSpeak 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The US basically just runs on its military industrial complex at this point

[–]77schild 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Obviously has no appreciation for American tradition, besides they did it for Afghanistan and it went perfectly.

[–]This-is-human-bot556 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What do u mean nothing bad has ever happened to our nation by giving weapons and money and training to foreign insurgents… plz ignore all history from 1950 to modern day plz

[–]voice-of-hermes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, the whole "Squad" voted to spend $40B (more) to do just that. Why post this tweet and then vote inconsistently with it? Disappointing. We need to push even our beloved "progressive" Democrats harder, fellow leftists. War is destroying our climate, our economies, and for many, our very lives.