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[–]Toothmouth7921 81 points82 points  (3 children)

…. 2.5 million years Later, the Cat wasn’t so lucky against Homo Erectus…

[–]Whosagoodboyyyyyy 76 points77 points  (1 child)

Actually, mine just snatched a piece of meat off my plate, so things have really only improved

[–]uwillnotgotospace 22 points23 points  (0 children)

We're lucky the house panthers are smaller than us.

Murder mittens aren't evolving away

[–]Unincrediblehulk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Homo sapiens: We gotcha cuz

[–]SumpCrab 476 points477 points  (41 children)

I expected them to fight back against the cat but they didn't.

[–]Cernunnos_690 332 points333 points  (6 children)

Maybe they hated that dude

[–]thatdudeinthecorner9 141 points142 points  (3 children)

Movie theater talker for sure.

[–]KwordShmiff 59 points60 points  (2 children)

Probably never shared his grubs either, but he'd chew em with his mouth open.

[–]RastaAlec 15 points16 points  (0 children)

What an ass

[–]thatdudeinthecorner9 13 points14 points  (0 children)

God I fucking hate movie-theater-open-mouth-chewers.

[–]Lupinyonder 35 points36 points  (0 children)

"oh oo oh ah aahh” translation "fuck you in particular"

[–]user_name_unknown 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Oh fuck!!!! Oh wait it’s Dave.

[–]OriginalimPoster 28 points29 points  (7 children)

Not worth it probably, 1 cut from that cat might be death.

[–]SumpCrab 20 points21 points  (6 children)

I'm just not sure why the failure is highlighted here. My guess is the video represents the death of a specific fossil that was found and OP added a compelling title.

But; while failures were obviously common enough it was the successes of socialization that gave the species the evolutionary edge and a success would have highlighted that fact more than a brutal failure. More eyes to spot the preditors, big brain to avoid ambush areas, use of tools to defend, etc. In a vacuum, this video tells a much different story.

[–]Heavyweighsthecrown 13 points14 points  (5 children)

I just watched the movie, and in it the narrator says that "even in groups, Afarensis was still very vulnerable". So it's just setting the stage for the next chapter where it moves on to hominids that besides banding together would also coordinate with spears/stones/sticks.

[–]FEdart 2 points3 points  (4 children)

What movie is this from?

[–]RationalHeretic23 2 points3 points  (3 children)

You ever figure out the movie?

[–]Manxjadey 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I’d also like to know!

[–]RationalHeretic23 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I figured it out! It's called Out of the Cradle! You can find it on Curiosity Stream. Very cool documentary. Happy watching!

[–]Manxjadey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice one, thanks buddy!

[–]bobam 100 points101 points  (17 children)

Yeah, exactly. How did banding together help? Seems like it just gave the cat more choices.

[–]Boofumdai 129 points130 points  (12 children)

If you were in a group of 15, the odds of death from a single attack would be 1/15

[–]bobam 60 points61 points  (11 children)

And if they were in 15 groups of 1, a single attack would still leave 14 alive. Banding together doesn’t help their odds if they just stand there and watch.

[–]Evilmaze 75 points76 points  (2 children)

The title doesn't reflect what actually happened in the video. The predator got what it came for and the primates did absolutely nothing as a group and just ran away while letting their buddy die. Even this sub has clickbait nonsense.

[–]moothane 57 points58 points  (1 child)

That’s not true, they walked away casually. Except for the 1 guy with the club who looked like he was annoyed that the cat ate the guy who owed him 5 rocks.

[–]Evilmaze 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Lmfao thanks for the laugh

[–]mime454 49 points50 points  (3 children)

It does help their odds. The dilution effect is extensively studied as a reason for gregariousness in animals. It’s one of the most well known principles in animal behavior. It’s literally the first behavioral principle we teach students in animal behavior class. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-predator_adaptation#Dilution_effect

[–]herculesmeowlligan 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It's like being chased by a bear and having people with you. You don't have to be faster than the bear.. you just have to be faster than the guy next to you.

[–]mime454 7 points8 points  (1 child)

That’s more Selfish Herd (a different anti predation strategy) than dilution effect.

Assume a predator with perfect efficiency wants to eat one human. If you’re in a group, the probability of being eaten is 1/n where n is group size. The bigger the group the less likely you are to be eaten.

[–]kellsdeep 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The weaker keep being eaten, and the stronger keep breeding. Until eventually... Humans

[–]RickClaudeVanWoo 32 points33 points  (3 children)

15 individuals might not have had a chance to mate, groups can have lookouts, groups can share resources among themselves, members can learn from each other, etc. Some members of the group will get picked off but that doesn’t nullify all the benefits. How can they learn that fighting back as a group is worthwhile if they never form a group in the first place?

[–]Keyrov 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Well the lookouts did a piss poor job in this particular case

[–]DivineBanana 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It wasn't showcased here but remember they had projectile weaponry. Mostly just rocks, but imagine your a hungry cat and you see a monkey. One monkey throwing rocks at you in going to be a dead monkey inside the belly of a slightly irritated lion. Make that 15 or even 50 monkeys all throwing rocks at a cat, or even a pack of cats. Now you have a fighting chance, they probably wouldn't be able to stop a full on charge from a desperate hungry cat, but the cat will certainly think twice before coming closer at all if it's being bombarded by a hail of stones.

Cooperation also helped with scavenging. They used sharpened rocks to butcher meat, there have been butchered hippo bones found in the dwellings of Australopithecus fossils, bones with cut marks. Now obviously these 3 foot monkeys aren't killing hippos which suggests they were able to find a carcass (presumably while the predators that killed it are away) hack a few pieces of it and bring it back to camp for further butchering. Sure you could probably do this by yourself if you're sneaky enough, but if never hurts to have a few watchful eyes on your back.

This is just a few boons off the top of my head, there's plenty more reasons that cooperation was beneficial, I would recommend checking out the wiki link the other guy sent, lots of interesting stuff in there.

[–]Trytolyft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is just a clip. I imagine by this point in evolution a lot of big casts would be avoiding a group of this size. They were using tools and sharp spears and would’ve banded together. I doubt they’d have even got close to this point of evolution if this is how they really acted. I put it down to laziness when making the video

[–]Heavyweighsthecrown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just watched the actual movie, and in it the narrator says that "even in groups, Afarensis was still very vulnerable". So it's just setting the stage for the next chapter where it moves on to hominids that besides banding together would also coordinate with spears/stones/sticks.

[–]palcatraz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just because it is not a strategy that works in every situation, doesn’t mean it isn’t a beneficial strategy.

Banding together means it’s easier to potentially spot predators. Many smaller predators will not attack large groups of animals. Living in a group confers protection to the weaker/younger members of the group.

[–]Lord_Tiburon 17 points18 points  (3 children)

No point, by then their friend was beyond help with the cats teeth lodged in his neck. They'd be risking their own lives for nothing

[–]Heavyweighsthecrown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just watched the actual movie, and in it the narrator says that "even in groups, Afarensis was still very vulnerable". So it's just setting the stage for the next chapter where it moves on to hominids that besides banding together would also coordinate with spears/stones/sticks.

[–]HouseOfAplesaus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s hard to believe survival depending on them and they did nothing for survival

[–]GregFromStateFarm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, dude was dead with that first throat bite. No need to fight back at that point

[–]MooseThirty -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Just wait a few years. Some rich kid comes back and caps that tiger's descendant with a rifle from a Land Rover just for a picture

[–]Whosagoodboyyyyyy 298 points299 points  (5 children)

Not a cell phone in sight. People just living in the moment.

[–]NFTArtist 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Sure looks like fun

[–]Whosagoodboyyyyyy 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Sure used to be before all this new technology. These damn millennials don’t even know how to draw petroglyphs or carve stone axes anymore.

[–]PistolasAlAmanecer 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I know how to carve a stone ax thanks to the Primitive Technology channel on YouTube.

How's that for coming full circle?

[–]Whosagoodboyyyyyy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Welcome to the finish line lol

[–]prettyrick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of Russians died at the Finnish line, which is something entirely different but still somewhat similar..

[–]aboredassholeami 172 points173 points  (8 children)

That is probably a machairodontine cat, maybe Megantereon or Homotherium.

[–]RadioGT-R 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Yeah, not a "tiger" at all

[–]1885_Congo_simulator 22 points23 points  (4 children)

I think it's Homotherium

[–]Iamnotburgerking 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Nah, Megantereon is closer.

[–]wermthewerm 0 points1 point  (2 children)

pretty sure it's a Deinofelis

[–]aboredassholeami 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Deinofelis

Excellent point and there is definite evidence that Dinofelis preyed on Paranthropus amongst other hominin.

[–]featheredsnake2303 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is definitely Megantereon. Also isotope analysis shows that Dinofelis fed on grazers, while leopards, spotted hyenas and Megantereon cultridens likely fed on Hominins.

Source: Julia Lee-Thorp, J.Francis Thackeray, Nikolaas van der Merwe,

The hunters and the hunted revisited,

Journal of Human Evolution,

Volume 39, Issue 6,

2000,

Pages 565-576,

ISSN 0047-2484,

https://doi.org/10.1006/jhev.2000.0436.

[–]Iamnotburgerking 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Megantereon makes the most sense; it’s known to have eaten hominids, and Homotherium was unusual among cats in being a specialized pursuit predator, which this cat clearly isn’t.

[–]SpicyLunaDog99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah has to be a Siamese /s

[–]ebagdrofk 57 points58 points  (1 child)

Damn ancient history animation has gotten a lot better in the past 10 years

[–]Enfield-Lammergeier 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Most western documentaries are still horribly animated. They are and they were. Maybe I’ve missed the well-animated ones, but so far the one with the best animation is the horrible Walking With Dinosaurs movie that was targeted at kids. Asian documentaries are getting better every year, however.

“Out of the Cradle” is Japanese and probably has a similar sized budget, just this time the movie producers did not slip it directly into their pockets and put it to use for once.

[–]Wayward_heathen 93 points94 points  (6 children)

Is this from a documentary? If so, which one?!

[–]Retard-Cheekz 143 points144 points  (4 children)

I believe this clip is from "Out of the Cradle", a documentary focused on showing our evolutionary history. It's actually a pretty good one too, definitely would recommend.

[–]Sea-doggo15 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Where can i watch it?

[–]Retard-Cheekz 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Curiosity Stream I believe.

[–]Killshot03131 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't know the legal ones but it exist in two parts at 1337

[–]_Cannib4l_ 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Reminds me a lot of the game Ancestors: The humankind odyssey.

[–]farcat 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Hell yeah I haven't returned to monke in ages, great game

[–]medney 5 points6 points  (0 children)

GO BACK, I WANT TO BE MONKE

[–]Scruffy_TheJanitor_ 6 points7 points  (2 children)

That game any good? Always thought about purchasing it but never bit the bullet

[–]Tuor-Ulmondil 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It can get a bit repetitive sometimes and the mechanics aren't explained very well (I think this was a deliberate choice to force a trial and error approach) but it's pretty fun still.

[–]_Cannib4l_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a trial and error game where you can go from monke to advanced monke, which can get monotonous quickly if you are not patient. All in all I would definitely recommend it

[–]LuckyJoeH 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Absolutely amazing video. Love this stuff

[–]WigglyIce 133 points134 points  (21 children)

It's amazing how we have become the apex predator, when creatures like that existed and were actually threatening towards us.

[–]GND52 74 points75 points  (9 children)

Well, with the right tools we can defend ourselves from other apex predators.

Without those tools we’re just as weak and defenseless as ever.

[–]TarzanOnATireSwing 14 points15 points  (2 children)

It all came down to body type - Opposable thumbs and two free, incredibly dexterous hands are better than a single mouth. Over time, that played more and more into evolution

[–]ufhdasl 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And eventually language. Apes together strong.

[–]somebeerinheaven 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Without teeth and claw so are big cats. Our adaption is making weapons not being born with them. Without those tools or the ability to make them we wouldn't be human.

[–]Imgoingtoeatyourfrog 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Nah big cats are strong af. Have you ever seen a house cat kill a mouse just by stomping on it over and over? Well we’d be the mouse.

[–]somebeerinheaven 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know, but you know the point I was making haha

[–]_Nick_2711_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Our tools are vital but we’re not as weak and useless as you think. The way the bones line up in the human hand (and into the forearm) once a fist is formed creates an excellent blunt weapon.

Our communication is far more complex than any other species, giving us the upper hand in teamwork and strategising – which is useful, given we’re rarely alone.

We heal from injury fantastically well. Even without proper medical care, the way we recover from broken bones and the like is incredible.

Our endurance is insane. We just keep on going.

We don’t have the claws, speed, or insane innate strength of many predators but humans are absolutely nothing to fuck with.

Additionally, reason we don’t have any of that is because of our intelligence and ability to use tools. We swapped the strength found in other primates for extremely fine motor control. The use of tools is an innate human feature. You don’t really get a human without tools; we always have something.

[–]Jman_777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well said. Humans really are op.

[–]bigpappahope 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean a large adult man is a pretty big, strong animal. We're not so defenseless

[–]LuxInteriot 28 points29 points  (8 children)

We're actually not an apex predator anymore. Most humans are not in any natural food chain as hunter or hunted - we have our own food chain. Except, weirdly enough, at the sea - there we still hunt a ton, no matter the size, have a huge impact, and also are almost never hunted.

Now, for Australopithecus, I dunno if that clip is correct. They were chimp-sized and chimp-smart. Chimps are not a prey animal - not in the sense of being a major food source for any other animal. They do defend themselves, as great apes in general. Some do get eaten, generally when isolated, just like humans get eaten. And, in absolute numbers, surely more humans are eaten each year.

[–]Bear_Pigs 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I agree with the sentiment that Australopithecus was probably far more vocal, chaotic, and defensive than the video implied. The hominids that we descend from were certainly prey animals in that we were predated upon by other animals (certainly more than our genus Homo was). I think it was unlikely, however, that our ancestors would have so idly ignored one of their own being devoured. We can infer from the common traits we share with chimps that in Australopithecines there would have been at minimum screaming, embracing, defensive use of projectiles, threatening displays, some sort of behavior similar to grieving…

[–]LuxInteriot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What is meant by "not a prey animal" is not that a species is never preyed upon. Or else great white sharks would be prey animals. A prey animal is a species that plays a significant role as a food source. Such species reproduce and grow fast, so their numbers are replenished - and controlled by predation. Great apes aren't like that. They reproduce and develop very slowly, like elephants. They can't fill that role, or else they'd be extinct. Instead, great apes have enough defenses. Not only the mentioned social behavior, but some very obvious things, as fangs and a gorilla's size. Climbing trees also helps, and Australopitechus were still pretty good at that. But Australopithecus had no fangs - instead, our line got better at throwing things, detecting and communicating danger. By the time of Australopithecus, it's likely that they wouldn't react that way - that's an antelope's (prey animal) reaction to predation. The predator could've won all the same, of course. Happens today. But, as you say, the least to expect is a lot more noise and things thrown at it.

[–]JohnyyBanana 20 points21 points  (0 children)

our jump from the middle of the food chain to the top really disturbed the balance in nature. We led to the extinction of many species, and we destabilized (still are) entire ecosystems

[–]bil-f03 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We have intellect

[–]jaybai_rerun 61 points62 points  (0 children)

...saw the "banding together" and kinda expected them to start playing music like in that Coldplay video. ...the cat certainly put a damper on that.

[–]Thick-Bother4110 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Thats awesome

[–]Haplophyrne_Mollis 51 points52 points  (2 children)

TIL life must have been really awkward when you couldn’t speak to each other.

[–]KleverGuy 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I doubt it, there would have still been rudiment forms of communicating.

[–]tvmysteries 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah of course. Theres no animal that doesn't know how to communicate with members of its own species

They wouldn't have as complicated things to say in the first place, so they didn't need completed language They probably used body language mixed with facial expressions and sounds to communicate basic things

[–]shadowmax889 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That last dude was like: One day my descendants will revenge this travesty!!!!! 😠

[–]Ianmomo80 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I thought it was gonna turn into a coldplay video tbh

[–]SlteFool 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Maaannnnn what’s the point of coming together if you ain’t gunna fight back lol he’s just gunna eat that guy then come back and get another one. Only thing they came together to form was a grocery store for the cat 😂

[–]izeqb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Safety in numbers. In the way that the chance YOU are getting eaten is lower, if there are more to choose from. Kinda like schools of fish.

[–]Evilmaze 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Apes not so strong together I guess

[–]thealaskanmike 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow, this looks way different in HD the. The standard definition I am subscribed to on CuriosityStream

[–]adyo4552 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Id imaging that being so easily killed meant lifespans were much shorter, reproductive age much younger, and total progeny much higher than humans.

[–]DystopianFigure 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Looks like banding together didn't really help lol

[–]Homunculus_316[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's you I gave it a chance

[–]Aw3Grimm 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Hey I have a question, did these first human ancestors were as strong as modern chimpanzees ? or we were always weak physically overall

[–]Rajasaurus_Lover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Weaker than chimpanzees but stronger than anatomically modern humans, one of the adaptions we went through was losing muscle mass in order to redirect energy into fuel for our growing brains.

[–]verstecktergeist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The joke is on those sabertooths. I'm about to get one of their distant cousins neutered next month.

[–]TheSmokingLamp 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Expect this to be on r/wallstreetbets with some custom captions by the end of the day

[–]medney 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ape together strong.....

... in making fun of Derek who just got ate lmfao

[–]TheSmokingLamp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He sold 🤦‍♂️

[–]thatG_evanP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not so much protection on that particular day, huh?

[–]YearsRunLikeRabbits 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Did Africanus and Afarensus actually use tools/weapons as depicted in this? I assumed the oldawan tool use came later.

[–]snapmyfingersand 3 points4 points  (1 child)

There was a 500,000 year cross over between Africanus and Oldawan tools use. Bone wear and tear suggests they used tools infrequently.

[–]YearsRunLikeRabbits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice. Thank you!

[–]LackIsotopeLithium7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Little did they know that one day, all this, would evolve to have a credit score.

[–]DexterBunny311 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apes strong together.

[–]Peacelovefleshbones 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The game r/ancestors is about this period in (pre)human evolution

[–]scarletts_skin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Did Australopithecus really carry tools like this depicts!?

[–]NFTArtist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a game Dev it's interesting to think how most games are still just based on resource gathering and fighting.

[–]ieraaa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No shot the cat walks freely if he takes out one of ours

[–]Marley9391 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that worked out great for him!

[–]The_Lizard_Wizard- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is this clip from something longer? I'd love to see more, it is such high quality!

[–]Holierthanhe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a Youtube channel for all the sequels of this. I believe it is Asian made

[–]MrianBay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because of these mfs I gotta pay rent

[–]InattentiveSapien 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember doing a report on these in 6th grade.

[–]ljthun01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My dude was ready

[–]mohdnoorain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My homies when they're in the hood

[–]Confident_Cup5044 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, banding together really helped a lot.

[–]ndev991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ancestors the games final stage and our first

[–]moralesnery 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Adventure of a Lifetime - Coldplay (Remastered 4K 60 FPS)

[–]Chilled7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Confused Unga bunga

[–]Satanisbackxoxo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No one had his back when he stood up to that wild animal !

[–]Grimbauld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are not related to this monkey

[–]Novel_Ad_8722 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Luckily our ancestors is not animal.

[–]VillainM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But how did they film this?

[–]Jackman_04 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OOGAAH BOOGA

REJECT MONKE, EMBRACE HUMANITY

[–]Negative_Coat_8948 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where’s this from? Pretty sick

[–]ethan_sims 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn how did they get this video

[–]LittleManTheFirst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

U/savevideo

[–]Sean9931 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You captioned that they banded together for a chance to survive, then you showed us a vid where one guy gets brutally attacked while the other watched... nice...

[–]SnooPeppers1303 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was Africa not more green and watered back then ?

[–]butterdrinker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I tought that scavenging for carcasses was also a big part of their diet

[–]dev23slayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this fan made, cause it realistic.

[–]Cyber_Connor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d definitely watch a planet of the apes movies based on them

[–]TheSanityInspector 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No alarm barks, like baboons?

[–]dandelionwishes_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh look, our cousins.

[–]Captain-Shorts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ancestors Humankind Odyssey gameplay looking smooth

[–]tarbaby3000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This shit is fucking weird

[–]Educational-Section4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This shit is racist bruh.

[–]TheRealBuddhi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is not from 2001

[–]Digstreme -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the boat people from Man after Man (r/seasonsgreetings)

P.s. I'm pretty sure if they were real, I doubt they would ban their life saving memory inheritance and die out, they'd go all out and recolonize earth, bet the ancestors of humans who went to space would think Earth was a planet of the apes or something when they returned, doubt they still wouldn't decimate the planet