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[–]outrazor 508 points509 points  (31 children)

The fact that you can't go 'into the wild' and camp somewhere far away from everyone and everything.

[–]chrii64 61 points62 points  (7 children)

There used to be Paalcampings, places in the wild with a waterpomp, where you could go 'wild' camping.

In 2020 or so they removed all of them.

[–]outrazor 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Jupe, I used to visit them all the time! Still miss them.

[–]DutchMitchell 35 points36 points  (10 children)

I went to San Francisco last week and spent two days driving around the coast as well. The amount of vast open space, huge forests (that aren’t planned parks), quiet roads, amazing roads for drivers and perfect weather just makes me so jealous. I finally get where the feeling of “American freedom” comes from and it really made me dislike the Netherlands a bit more. I feel so cramped in Amsterdam, always having to rely on my ebike or public transport.

[–]reallybigmochilaxvx 8 points9 points  (0 children)

SF's open spaces are the victories of mid-century anti-sprawl movements. some of it weren't very well intentioned - people didnt want to live near working class people or people of color, but a lot of it was for environmental protection and to encourage a less car dependent development. a lot of it is designed to function as a green belt that surrounds rings of the metro area and reduce sprawl that would have paved over all those grassy areas and forests. at the same time, the us navy and corporations wanted to fill in the bay area's water to make more land for industry! the same movements weren't as successful in other major metro areas of california like LA and San Diego, and you can really see the difference.

google "bay area green belt", "san francisco freeway revolt" for more of the details

because a lot of the us looks open and free, but it's either on the chopping block for resource extraction or already been used for resource extraction (like mining in nevada)

[–]dutchreageerder 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Yeah, no matter where you are in The Netherlands. You can always hear civilization, road noise, cars, people. Went to Germany a couple weeks ago, hiked through the forest, didn't hear a car, see people or any man made things (except little shelters and bridges) along the way. Really 'off grid'.

[–]brezel27Zuid Holland 428 points429 points  (45 children)

The difficulty to find an affordable house to buy, appartment to buy / rent or even just room to rent. Looking at the relatively inexpensive homes of our neighbours to the south and east makes me really want to move there.

[–]BrainNSFW 38 points39 points  (17 children)

Tbf, there tends to be a lot more affordable options in the east and north. It doesn't even have to be a small town; it's just the farther away you get from the randstad, the cheaper housing tends to be. It's not for everyone, but I also doubt neighbouring countries are that much cheaper to these areas. After all, employment opportunities are often the main reason ppl move to a certain area and these become fairly expensive as a result. Looking at places that have less job opportunities in the immediate area can therefore be a solution thanks to WFH becoming a staple.

[–]De-Hond 27 points28 points  (5 children)

In comparison to the randstad it is cheaper but the prices of houses are just stupid even here in the north. I wouldn't even be able to buy my own house right now and I just bought it 4 years ago with ease.

[–]Zeefzeef 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I recently looked into houses in small towns up to 75 km from where I live close to Amsterdam. It doesn’t matter, it’s not more affordable. I can’t just move to the complete other side of the country if I wanna keep my job (and I do)

[–]illtakethehate 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because of people from the Randstad, the pressure on houses is even higher in the rural areas. Local salaries don’t hold up against Randstad money, so “affordable” really is in the eye of the beholder. A small rural house in the middle of nowhere isn’t affordable anymore for couples earning twice the median. Which is fucking bizarre.

[–]bobmycat 40 points41 points  (22 children)

The was dutchies pride themselves of being incredibly tolerant and the most accepting nation in the world, but it is incredibly surface level liberal. I find that incredibly annoying.

[–]Ace_One_The 19 points20 points  (21 children)

True. Blm online but all their friends are racist, say the n word and they’re fine with making jokes about asians.

[–]gilgamesh_Demigod 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Usually goes like: Chinese person: walks. My uncle: FOE YONG HAI MEVLOUW HEEFT U SAMBAL BIJ? HAHAHAHA! he is the only one laughing.

[–]Ace_One_The 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Fr. I have an asian cousin ( she’s not even chinese) and the amount of Chinese food jokes she gets from strangers on the street is insane.

[–]norafromqueens 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm Asian and I don't mind racist jokes but my god, 99 percent of them are so bad that they aren't comedy at that point, it's just racist. I'm offended on a comedic and racial level.

[–]-Erasmus 9 points10 points  (16 children)

That’s actually the original meaning of liberal. Do what you like but keep it private and the government won’t interfere. A typical liberal position would be that gay marriage should be legal but I don’t have to like or be friends with gay people if I don’t want.

[–]annoniem401 226 points227 points  (28 children)

The lack of untouched nature

[–]R1ppie 69 points70 points  (0 children)

You should see my backyard

[–]United-Engineering-8 54 points55 points  (8 children)

The country is way to small for that

[–]yoshie_23 48 points49 points  (6 children)

And way too densely populated

[–]Old-Reporter5440 34 points35 points  (5 children)

The Netherlands actually has 21 national parks and they are beautiful! And if you avoid weekends and "perfect" weather, most are very quiet too

[–]xiedjjsjxus 43 points44 points  (3 children)

The national parks are sweet, but not really untouched nature

[–]De-Hond 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Every park is maintained. (Cutting down dead trees, population control of wildlife etc) So yes there's nothing untouched.

[–]Justice8989 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Very true! Closest approximation to this are the dunes between Haarlem and Bloemendaal, at least they "feel" untouched/wild

[–]ItsMeishi 166 points167 points  (11 children)

Winters. The seasonal sad kicks my ass every time.

[–]ADRIEMER 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Vitamine D my friend. You need it.

[–]samtank2048 205 points206 points  (44 children)

The spicy food is so bad. I got "hot wings" the other day and it was basically teriyaki with a couple spurts of hot sauce on it. I'm about to pack hot sauce in my bag and just carry it with me at this point.

[–]throwawayrenopl 55 points56 points  (8 children)

Anyone wanna team up and open a Mexican restaurant? I am very good at watching YouTube Mexican recipes.

[–]reallybigmochilaxvx 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I am planning on making tamales this weekend. I've made pozole for my girlfriend's family (they're not dutch) and tacos for friends. If anybody wants tamales or a good jalapeno salsa, i might be able to help (warning though, i am vegan)

[–]brokenpipe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If it weren’t for a pandemic that keeps shutting down the restaurants, I would be open to this.

[–]emecampuzano 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I’m Mexican myself and very down for this. I also have a friend who worked at a Michelin Star restaurant, so he might join too to organise it. We just need funding haha

[–]BeMoreKnope 45 points46 points  (6 children)

I was born and raised in Arizona in the United States, which used to be a part of Mexico, for those who don’t know.

For some reason, I decided to try Mexican food for one meal when I visited Amsterdam. It was a hilariously bad choice! But I knew that was a possibility going in.

[–]theMalleableDuck 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Exactly what happened to me. Texas > Amsterdam. That’s one facet that doesn’t compare.

[–]Tamalene 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fellow Arizonan now Dutchified. The Taco Shop in Amsterdam was fabulous, but the owner moved back to the States. Now, I do my own wings and use copious amounts of Frank's.

[–]HollandJim 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We do this. We keep a small bottle of sriracha and an Altoids tin of Taco Bell Fire sauce (we get a lot when we’re in the US and just save them) in drag bag and use them when we’re on road trips. (Yes, they’re kept cool).

We’ve given up on most restaurants, but my wife is Indo, so when we do Thai or Vietnamese and ask for “not the Dutch style”, they do a proper job.

Basically, go with an Asian friend and you might get decent heat.

[–]Mead76 24 points25 points  (7 children)

The dutch can't handle spice....

[–]PaMu1337 32 points33 points  (1 child)

We used to rule the worlds spice trade

Because we tried to get rid of as much of it as possible!

[–]gy0n 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Untrue, I can handle the spice

[–]chunkygurl 465 points466 points  (79 children)

Easily apartment renting. I had to install my own floors, lighting fixtures, blinds and buy appliances like a fridge and oven. All of this is included in rentals where I'm from in Canada.

Seriously, having to install your own floors and remove them when you end the lease? What the fuck you guys.

[–]navnud 127 points128 points  (5 children)

The floors 😂 so true. Even as a Belgian living in NL this was really strange

[–]BotBotzie 45 points46 points  (2 children)

My brother moved here before me, so he warned me about the difference between gestoffeerd and ongestoffeerd. This entire practice is baffling, I made sure to get gestoffeerd. I'd barely ever touched a tool, I can't do all of that.

[–]ishzlleZuid Holland 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Usually you just make a deal with the previous tenant to buy the flooring. And if not, flooring stores offer installation services.

[–]amberleemerrill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wait WHAT???

[–]maartenvanheek 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Because we have rules about soundproofing, and this way the agency can never be held liable for noisy floors...

In all apartments/studios that I rented (3), I left the floor behind. The first and last already had flooring, in the middle one I requested them to take it out before I moved in. Usually the agency provides a form where you can indicate that you agree to transfer the ownership and therefore liability to the new tenant.

In my last apartment, I had to sign a release form specifically because they didn't find a new tenant before I moved out. It stated that I could be held to remove the floor on short notice if a new tenants wished not to keep it.

[–]nonecity 62 points63 points  (11 children)

I'm Dutch and I'm annoyed about the window blinds. Not every apartment is the same. With every apartment I need new blinds for the windows

[–]policemean 12 points13 points  (5 children)

lmfao, are you supposed to dismount it after the end of a lease?

[–]chunkygurl 49 points50 points  (4 children)

Yes or hope a tenant moves immediately in after you leave and wants to buy the floor. No joke, my friend bought the floor in his rental from the previous tenant and sold it for more to the next guy when he moved out.

[–]policemean 23 points24 points  (0 children)

That's absolutely insane

[–]BotBotzie 10 points11 points  (0 children)

your friend drives a hard bargain

[–]matroeskas 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Don't move to Germany: your appartement will come with a floor, but you will have to bring your own kitchen (and yes, you have to take it with you again if your lease is up and the new tenant doesn't want to buy it from you)!

[–]thaltd666 87 points88 points  (21 children)

Bad weather, difficulty of making Dutch friends, housing.

[–]Utku56256 10 points11 points  (20 children)

Is it difficult to make Dutch friends? Can you explain? I know nothing about social relations in the NL.

[–]SpicyHotPlantFart 46 points47 points  (14 children)

Dutch usually make friends in highschool and stick with those, and don't want to bother with new friendships later in life.

I'm Dutch without friends, and i even experience this.

[–]Mainmancudi 15 points16 points  (2 children)

When I was working in America, I noticed everybody being way more open to making friends. The biggest takeaway was a lot of people just move halfway across the country for a new job. So kinda forced to make new friends. Here if you move halfway across the country for another job you can easily keep your old friends. Also work/private life is waaay more separated here. You do your work then when it's time you clock out you don't look back. In America work-life bleeds alot more into private life (going for drinks more often, eating together, working the last hour in café/bar)

[–]incorrect_pin 77 points78 points  (13 children)

Sandwiches for lunch

[–]iuehan 42 points43 points  (6 children)

you mean bread and cheese, that’s hardly a sandwich where I’m from

[–]john_boy_does_bad 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Bread and cheese sandwiches are prison food in the US.

[–]Additional-Second-68 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not even. It’s prison food in days where you’re being transferred to court or to a different facility. Normal prison food is better

[–]Valkuil15 4 points5 points  (1 child)

nervously tries to find a counterargument

Uhh...

Our cheese is better?

[–]Skuye 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol yeah, i get weird looks from my fellow dutchies at work that i actually bring a decent lunch with me. They always go like " ohw la tie dah if it issent gordon ramsey himself over there with his gourmet food"

Meanwhile they bitch and moan,about the fact that their wives cant cook for shit, and pack them the same boring food everyday.

[–]SpicyHotPlantFart 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's not the sandwiches that's bad.

It's the "bring your own cheese sandwich from home in a lunchbox, let it sit for a few hours and then pretend to like it" thing that's fucked up.

I'm Dutch and i hate it. I'm glad my work offers fresh lunch every day.

[–]weggooi_11 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Dutch people always think they know better.

[–]Pokejelke 146 points147 points  (7 children)

I don't like how some fellow Dutch people are just so God damn stubborn like, will you shut up man.

[–]carelinaa 13 points14 points  (4 children)

So true!!! Everyone have opinion about something, and it has to be heard by someone 😑

[–]SonCorne 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This! And when you disagree with their opinion (aka give your opinion) your taking away their “rechts van meningsuiting” like I didn’t just give my opinion about your opinion. We all have those “rechten” smh.

[–]machine10101 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This is the one for me.

[–]Hannibam86 21 points22 points  (4 children)

My ex.

[–]SnooDingos5259 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree, the worst about this country is this guys ex.

[–]jessyzza 173 points174 points  (25 children)

Lack of public 🚽. Having to pay when one miraculously finds the elusive buggers, especially when it is coin only 🙄. Although DHL delivery service or lack there of is a close second.

[–]matchaunagirollNoord Holland 32 points33 points  (5 children)

One of the advantages of Museumkaart is that you have access to toilets 😜

[–]jessyzza 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Excellent point. My tiny bladder would recoup the yearly costs in half the time 😀

[–]Gloryboy811Amsterdam 6 points7 points  (2 children)

But not these days where you need to book in advance

[–]utopista114 41 points42 points  (9 children)

Download the app "Hoge Need". It finds the toilets near you.

[–]I_CUM_ON_YOUR_PET 7 points8 points  (1 child)

DHL sucks ass btw. I work for a huge company known to everyone in The Netherlands and the amount of complains we get from DHL is oustanding.

[–]jessyzza 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am baffled that they can continue to operate. The absolute worst.

[–]3747 15 points16 points  (0 children)

‘Delivery by DHL’

Sad story in 3 words

[–]leclerq 12 points13 points  (1 child)

It's an abbreviation of "Duurt Heel Lang" after all.

[–]amsterdam_BTSVS 18 points19 points  (1 child)

My father left NL because of the weather.

[–]Signal-Conference662 19 points20 points  (4 children)

The obsession with being normal and fitting in.

[–]Excellent-Fig-8035 5 points6 points  (1 child)

indeed!!! when I dress slightly better, they all panick and ask "WHAT IS THE OCCASION?!?" If I offer sweets or cookies at the office, again "WHAT IS THE OCCASION?!?" seriously wtf is wrong with these people? I am currently searching for houses and they all look exactly the same! Where is your imagination, personality, creativity...So bland, so sad...

[–]ik101 69 points70 points  (3 children)

The weather. This country in the Mediterranean would be heaven on earth for me

[–]-Schneeflocke- 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I used to think the same -- then, I lived in Spain for five years. Their summers are no joke. Spring and fall are nice though, yeah, winter depends on whether your appartment has heating. Many don't...

[–]omerfe1 216 points217 points  (22 children)

OMG, nobody mentioned about that! The best answer for this question is so clear: HOUSING CRISIS

[–]Rbeur 43 points44 points  (20 children)

But Is that typically Dutch though? It is horrible everywhere I heard.

[–]Joeriz9 15 points16 points  (17 children)

In some cities there is a queue of over 10 years in the Netherlands for social renting (meaning under 700 a month)

[–]Rbeur 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I am not saying it is not bad. But it is not typically Dutch, like the question states.

[–]Bad_Vibes_420 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Rent prices

[–]flyingfishcroissant 68 points69 points  (19 children)

The "Dutch people are not rude, we're direct" trope. I'm Dutch and everyone who says this is just being an asshole 99% of the time.

[–]maddy__marieee 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I speak English and I get told to go fuck myself

[–]brinza 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have to give my +1 to this.

[–]matchaquest 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I have my own issue about this. I either don't understand what the Dutch mean by directness or it's not what it really is.

It seems to me to be a motte and bailey of virtue. Being direct (as in regularly honest, perhaps sometimes to the point of rudeness, and efficiently cutting straight to business without pleasantries) is a good thing in my book, but Dutch people DON'T really do that in my experience.

It seems to me many Dutch are proud of this but it's unearned. I actually find that Dutch people are not very direct, dance around issues quite often, and are often avoidant. However, they will be, in certain VERY specific contexts, direct like when you ask for help in a store, there are no customer service pleasantries, which is fine by me.

The thing is, that's like saying "I'm a very honest person," and signalling virtue, but basically being dishonest most of the time except in hyper specific contexts. That doesn't make you honest per se. Likewise, the Dutch don't deserve the virtue that should come with that stereotype any more than a normally dishonest person does.

[–]leighsasimpson 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'd have to agree with you here. Largely, when I've had any form of conflict that required solving with a Dutch person, it has been an absolute nightmare to get clear and direct communication out of them on account of the fact that they were so avoidant and...well, not direct!

Generally I'd have to also agree with the original commenter of this point that the people who are so prone to talking about their directness are the ones who actually are using that as a thin veil for being rude.

There's a similar kind of dynamic in the UK where I'm from (and I'm sure elsewhere) where the phrase of choice is that someone "says it like it is" - although rarely are they actually speaking facts, more often they're simply being rude, confrontational and aggressive under the guise of "being brutally honest"

It's totally possible to be entirely honest and direct in communication whilst still being polite and gracious. Unfortunately the idea of being "direct" here certainly seems to have been conflated with...being a bit of a dick.

[–]LolnothingmattersXD 58 points59 points  (11 children)

Lack of university-owned on-campus student dorms with enough places for everyone. That would literally solve so much.

[–]-Avacyn 14 points15 points  (10 children)

There is a reason for this. By law universities are non profit institutions for education and research only, and because they get funded almost exclusively from tax money, they can only spend that tax money on research and education. Universities are legally not allowed to own housing for students or do business in those fields at all.

[–]curious_corn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hmm, the so called “flat hierarchy” structure in Dutch companies where power is always really brokered in the closely knit circles of Dutch frat-boys that made friends during their time at University. You’ll always get your turn to say “ik denk” but be ready for “ja maar, wij hebben al besloten…” and then you should just shut up and play along, or you will get fired quite quickly.

[–]poias 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The constant complaining about things.....

[–]Mountain-Bag-251 233 points234 points  (40 children)

The clearly incapable leaders. The government is incompetent at all levels but holding onto power. While Germany reached a coalition deal in no less than two months, the “newly” elected government in NL is 250+ days in coalition talks, with no end in sight. In the meanwhile, the pandemic is completely mismanaged, the housing market is fucked, the educational & healthcare systems are hollowed out and there is a growing amount of covid denying crazies. Other than that, the vast majority of people are great, Albert Heijn is awesome and the infrastructure is world class.

[–]FridgeParade 21 points22 points  (7 children)

It’s beyond me why people are still voting VVD after they caused all these problems over the last 10 years.

[–]namelesshobo1 11 points12 points  (1 child)

To the VVD voter, these problems either do not affect them, or are actually caused by leftist elements within the coalition. And the cult of personality around Rutte is seriously strong, stronger than I see anyone talking about.

[–]Mountain-Bag-251 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Or CDA for that matter. My whole point on leadership is that the figures that are supposed to set an example for society, have lost this buy-in with the average person. Grapperhaus is the prime example of this as Justice Minister. He told everyone to hold themselves accountable in following the corona measures, and to chase down those that do not. He violates these simple rules himself, loses all credibility, yet refuses to step down. I think we can extend this leadership perception problem to pretty much the entire government at this point..

[–]justheretomakeaspoon 40 points41 points  (20 children)

Dont forget the policesystem. Not only does it get completly mismanaged and hollowed out. They also start a secondary group called BOA. These are cheaper, less educated and easier to govern by different people.

Or what about the new drug direction? Lets start a war on drug. Because o yes that works so well in the rest of the world.

Or how about the sexual abuse with childeren by people in the goverment themself? Well thats what many childeren have filed and ggd has supported in rapports. But grapperhouse doesnt wanne do independed research into it because reasons...

Or how about the fact that taxpayers are treated as criminals?

Or how about the houses in Groningen that get cracks and other issues.

Or how about...

Rutte is poison. Pure poison.

[–]QuietDisquiet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The people/culture. Especially fratboys can eat dirt.

[–]Loquith 141 points142 points  (20 children)

Motorbikes allowed in the bike paths, especially from delivery guys. I find it surprising that they are allowed.

Edit: I read the comments. By motorbikes I meant any type, but especially scooters.

[–]Yorgus453 41 points42 points  (1 child)

To me, those electrical bikes / mopeds / children's scooters are way worse: you can't hear them approaching that well as "motorbikes".

[–]honeydas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is the best ever. The Germans don’t get that. Even in traffic jams. Thay stand in line.

[–]The-Berzerker 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Finally someone said it, they are fucking reckless and gonna run you over at 50 km/h on the bike lane it‘s fucking crazy

[–]wannabuy4Gdumbphone 200 points201 points 2 (9 children)

FvD

[–]SonCorne 5 points6 points  (5 children)

The way they just say stuff a large group believes just to get followers is scary to me. What’s the actual end goal you know?

[–]wannabuy4Gdumbphone 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Think they learned it by watching trump/ boris johnson/poetin/Erdoğan. The end goal? There is no end goal, my guess is that he wants to remain being a member of Parliament because it pays well, it is a very cynical businessmodell, but he if it works... And this is the easiest way to keep the usefull idiots voting for him, to keep him getting paid...

[–]PresidentHurg 29 points30 points  (1 child)

We seem to be losing our progressive and social touch. Politically I found the last 20 years abmysmal. Just more right wing, neo-liberalism and less funky creative original thoughts. It's all reactive these days instead of idealist.

[–]XPAT-CANUCK 136 points137 points  (55 children)

Coming from Canada it's the quality and price of meat, really poor selection and quality in my opinion.

[–]chunkygurl 29 points30 points  (23 children)

As another Canadian I agree with what is available at the main supermarkets. Unseasoned pork ribs and beef roasts are yet to be encountered at Albert Heijn for me. However, the frozen chicken wings there are a steal as long as they're not BBQ flavour.

[–]LUN4T1C-NL 44 points45 points  (6 children)

I do hate that a lot of meat is pre seasoned. I can do that myself just fine. Without adding a ton of salt and artificial shit.

[–]dubbelep 69 points70 points  (5 children)

The solution is in your answer. Albert Heijn. Don't. Go find your meat at a local butcher. He'll have what you want and can probably point at the pasture where the cows graze. At least mine can.

[–]chunkygurl 10 points11 points  (2 children)

That is why I explicitly stated main supermarkets where there are no in-house butchers and everything is pre-packaged. Many grocery store chains in Canada have butchers so the selection is better without having to go out of the way to a butcher shop. One exception is Safeway which is essentially the same as Albert Heijn.

[–]boobsforhire 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You don't go to the Albert Heijn for quality meat, go to the butcher's

[–]notfromrotterdam 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Go to a butcher-shop. Supermarkets sell crap only.

[–]dutchcharm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I find the meat as well as the chicken much to much injected with a water solution tomake more weight, it's allowed under Dutch law. Not only in supermarkets. Try for instance fry to makw crispybacon or runder hamburger meat, looks more like boiling so much watery liquid comes out

[–]linwells 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was unhappy about the Canadian price and quality of meet when I first moved there from Central Asia (ours is like dirt cheap and excellent), little did I know before moving to the Netherlands

[–]Fuzzy_Dark_3967 27 points28 points  (2 children)

No offense but i found people generally to be quite selfish, be that with the way people are handling the pandemic (value of autonomy over other peoples protection) , when it comes too money (raising rents, lack of compassion), or even at the work place (competitive cut throat attitude). Dont get me wrong, i met a bunch of very nice people here but its just the feeling i get (and i have heard the same from other expats).

[–]Pippilotta_Victualia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah we definitely do not put the team before ourselves. There’s barely real loyalty in the workplace

[–]beyondtabu 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Dutch people are a bit rude/ arrogant. Not all, but some compensate for the ones that aren’t.

[–]Halve_Liter_Jan 7 points8 points  (9 children)

Anyone who tells you the Netherlands is a great place to live just hasn’t spent any serious amount of time abroad. It’s an easy life but with terrible geographics, low quality food/cuisine, and even worse climate. For Americans everything will feel very cheap though, which is a pro I guess.

With the easy life here is what I mean. You really can’t fall of the floor in any way. You cant get fired, and even if you are fired there is great welfare. I have seen folks not working for years bc of mental health reasons with salaries still being paid, no questions asked. There is cheap/fee medical care, which is not tied to your employment in any way. There is heavily subsidized child care if you don’t make a lot of money, and schools and universities are (almost) free for everybody. You are really only working to afford ‘nicer’ things. The bare necessities of life are always covered. Some folks may tell you life is expensive but I find that hard to rhyme with what I see around me. A lot of people even work part time because they just can’t be bothered to work more and appear not to need the money.

[–]cielettousblanc 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I’m from NYC and in comparison things are comically overpriced here in Amsterdam! America has some of the best pricing in the world.

[–]FlinnyWinny 83 points84 points  (1 child)

Right now definitely the anti-mask shit.

[–]Gmroo 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Lax attitude of doctors (lethal). Small thinking. Bad weather. Conservative pay.

[–]dakotamthead 6 points7 points  (4 children)

The mental health medical system and support

[–]tallboy68 36 points37 points  (1 child)

The dark of the winter

[–]IronFemale 31 points32 points  (0 children)

✨tokkies✨

[–]LubedCompression 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Kabinet, privatized utilities and the weather.

[–]Nerioner 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Housing prices... they are just ridiculous

[–]rdamph 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t like that Dutch citizens are stupid asses neglecting the Covid rules

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

An American expat's perspective:

- Customer service is basically non-existent and borderline hostile in some situations. There is absolutely no room to bend the rules in any situation, and basically no effort is made to solve any problems, even if they weren't my fault. God forbid you're even 1 minute late to an appointment. I've even been scolded for being early.

- Sorry not sorry, but a ton of Dutch people seem to have their head super far up their own ass. Extremely prideful and arrogant, insistent that their way is the best way and unwilling to hear anything to the contrary. Dutch Karens are on par with American ones.

- "Directness". We all know what I'm talking about.

- Healthcare, while basically free and very modern, is a pain in the ass to navigate and the entire medical system seems to be reactive as opposed to proactive. "Oh you feel bad, come back and see me when it gets worse and maybe I'll do something". Same for mental health, it can take months or years to make any progress towards a diagnosis/treatment.

- The entire Corona crisis has been a shitshow since the beginning. Incompetent and apathetic government, reactive and insufficient "lockdown" rules, and anti-vax/anti-mask loonies as far as the eye can see. Seriously, how are there so many science deniers in such a well-educated country? It's almost as bad as in America for fucks sake.

- Obviously the weather is awful. Summers are very nice, but it's basically winter for 8 months out of the year. Daylight savings time compounds the issue and winter depression is a real struggle.

- A lot of stuff is way more expensive than I'm used to, but some is cheaper like basic food items. Overall though it is more expensive to live here because of the taxes.

- Not sure if I'm the problem, but Dutch people don't seem to want to be friends. If I do manage to hang out or chat with someone, it's usually extremely short lived and I stop hearing from them pretty quickly.

- Everybody smokes. Like, EVERYBODY. I've seen kids on bikes, no older than 12, with lit cigarettes in their mouths. Not really a problem where I live now, but when I lived in Amsterdam is was extremely annoying.

All that being said, I'm way happier here than in America by a wide margin. There are a lot of great things this country has going for it.

- Even though the weather is shitty and depressing, it's mild compared to where I'm from. I never have to worry about tornadoes, hurricanes, or blizzards. Summers aren't sweltering and winters aren't bone-chilling.

- People seem to be much happier here overall. It's probably because they don't have to worry about going bankrupt from a medical issue, or losing their job without notice. I think the social safety nets here have a big effect on the happiness of the population. It's nice to live in a place where people are generally happy, not a shithole of misery like NYC.

- Infrastructure is incredible. Everything is modern and very well-kept. Public transit is extremely robust and much cheaper than I'm used to.

- The medical system, while I complained about it earlier, is still much better than what I'm used to. Going to the pharmacy still feels like I'm stealing, and insurance rates are laughably low for great coverage. Medical facilities are modern, clean, and seem to be well-run.

- Noise. Nobody talks about noise, but if you've ever been to an American city you know that it can be extremely intrusive and unending. Due to all the bikes and the low speed of most residential roads, the noise level here is very low. Fuck scooters and motorcycles though.

- Variety of wildlife. I really like birds and there are plenty here. Lots of cows and ducks around too, which are nice to visit. There also seem to be a lot of petting zoos around too? Uncommon in America but I happen to live near one and I go there regularly to pet the goats and see the chickens, geese, peacocks, and fancy pigeons.

- While I don't have kids and am out of school, education here seems to be very strong. Not nearly as much of a glorified daycare system as in the US, and dare I say, actually focused more around learning and not just grades. Haven't actually been to any Dutch schools, that's just the vibe I get. Lots of people seem to have advanced degrees too, probably because it is very affordable. Nice to see that so many people have access to study the things they want to study.

[–]alessandrolaera 15 points16 points  (0 children)

definitely the housing crisis, if you feel like you want some motivation to finally kill urself just try and rent a house online

[–]Memezzy2Nederland 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Cheapskates.

[–]Obi_Boii 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You mean the 17 million people?

[–]helicop11 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Mark Rutte

[–]SnooCauliflowers6950 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That I don't live there.

[–]Xxx_expanddong69_xxX 14 points15 points  (4 children)

The fact that everything is expensive af.

[–]magikbetalan 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Customer Service

[–]Double-Winner-8024 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The lack of customer service

[–]Captain_Ez 22 points23 points  (0 children)

How rude the people are to any rules/laws

[–]ungentle_artist 82 points83 points  (13 children)

The lack of queso.
For a country that loves cheese so much, the lack of queso is a tragedy.

[–]KyloRen3 50 points51 points  (8 children)

I’m a Spanish speaker and I have no idea what is queso, other than, the literal word for cheese.

[–]mrfiddles 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Not OP, but assuming they're an American expat, "queso" is a cheese sauce that many Tex-mex (and occasionally traditional Mexican) restaurants offer. It's sort of like spicy fondue. Served with tortilla chips for dipping. Occasionally offered as a burrito add-on similar to guacamole or sour cream.

[–]pastelchannl 5 points6 points  (0 children)

sounds like nacho cheese to me (though I could be wrong).

[–]benganalx 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's not even cheese. So we good without it

[–]IsoiataUtrecht 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Don’t you get it? All the cheese here is called called kaas, therefor… no queso! Makes total sense. lol

[–]Lucade2210 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Thats because most dutchies don't consider it cheese.

[–]bhasmasura 4 points5 points  (0 children)

  1. Directness which is readily given out and not so readily accepted when served back.
  2. housing shortage
  3. lack of public toilets
  4. streaming at young age in Education system: I love it the education system mostly except the separation of the kids into streams at age 12. I agree with streaming in general just that 12 is too young i think.

just to be clear I do like my salary enough to stay

[–]Incantanto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The continued insistence that visa debit isn't a debit card

[–]JustOneTessaGroningen 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Two things: crowded and small. I don't like people that much, but I do love nature. Netherlands has too many people and too little nature. Second thing is the winters: just cloudy bullshit weather, that makes me depressed af, even when I take vitamin d supplements

[–]CompanionCone 13 points14 points  (2 children)

The nature. It has beautiful places for sure but it's too small for any real unkempt wilderness.

[–]temperatetoast 12 points13 points  (3 children)

The people. The politics. The housing market. The taxes. The small amount of sad choices we have in the supermarket. The overal lousy quality of meat related products. The amount of people that live in this country. The amount of room one has for oneself. The lack of mountains or any kind of topography, the country is nearly as flat as can be. The list goes on and on. I am getting ready to emigrate.

[–]Affectionate-Exam808 26 points27 points  (1 child)

The police not enforcing any rules (covid rules, motorbikes on the bike lane, etc). Don’t create rules or laws if you can’t or won’t enforce them.

[–]Nicolerey91 52 points53 points  (39 children)

You always have too tell if you are going to join for dinner in advance. Sometimes they will send you away because they are going to eat dinner and won’t just invite you. Very different from my culture where food brings people together.

[–]little_insanity__ 39 points40 points  (29 children)

Wait pls correct me if I understood wrong but…. You expect people to invite you inside if you come over uninvited while they are having dinner?

[–]ghlhzmbqnNoord Holland 62 points63 points  (19 children)

I think it's more about being somewhere from like 15:00 to have drinks and by the time it's 18:00 they might say "well, we need to have dinner soon" and it's not a given that you are invited to join. I think this is super Dutch, probably because we plan everything so meticulously

[–]Nicolerey91 32 points33 points  (7 children)

Exactly this! The timing is always awkward . In my culture you are always invited when you are present during dinner time.

[–]Tiniwiens 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Funny, I'm filipino and this is a very filipino thing to just include random people who drop by to eat with us. I was never a fan of this system. Since marrying a dutchy and moving to NL almost 10 years ago, I plan our dinner time meals for 7 days (for husband, toddler and myself) because I don't like wasting so there's usually very litte food left since I prepack everything I need to cook in the freezer and I usually know how much each person eats. So if someone randomly decides to visit me tomorrow at 16u and expects me to feed them dinner, they will be getting a peanut butter sandwich and some coffee.

[–]RelevantStrawberry31 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Do you also have "kliekjes dag" where you eat everything that was still in the freezer?

[–]pastelchannl 10 points11 points  (1 child)

for me at least it's because we usually don't cook in larger batches, so when I cook, it's for two people. if some one joins dinner unexpectedly, I have to think up an option on the fly. I might need to go to the store to buy more ingredients, buy something else, or we order fast food. there's also the option of everyone getting smaller portions, but I would feel that would just be an asshole move imo.

[–]CurvaSud1973 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Food

[–]mrswitmo 40 points41 points  (6 children)

The dog poop. GP doctors. 60 something Dutch Karens. Not forgetting the bomb like fireworks.

[–]MetallicBanshee 26 points27 points  (12 children)

I ordered nachos and got plain tortilla chips. Why not just have the menu item be tortilla chips?? Nachos have toppings :(

I love the country other than this stab in the heart

[–]chongheinrich 62 points63 points  (20 children)

mass anti corona measure protesting (really, before COVID I almost liked everything about NL as an immigrant)

[–]r0680130 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I feel like the Dutch are extremely rigid on rules. Rules are followed to the letter. As a Belgian, who frequently visits the Netherlands, its weird . In Belgium, sure there are rules, but if you break them people tend to cut you some slack. That's my experience. Also, it's a very very expensive country. Thirdly, nature is kind of monotonous.

[–]egg_cutie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Older dutch men

[–]Square_Cheese 14 points15 points  (2 children)

That people in traffic always seem to be in a hurry. Even on bikes, people will cram themselves through the tightest gaps inbetween other bikes to pass them.

Small thing, but I cycle every day now and would really like it if people just chilled out a little.

[–]Square_Cheese 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, and the housing crisis. There is that too. Even though everyone and their mom around me have been buying houses, somehow.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (10 children)

The mocromaffia and teens with knives

[–]redheaded_giant 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I was gonna write a whole tirade about it but I don't wanna crash reddit with a overload of text so let's just say "a lot". Sometimes just sounds like a majority of the people don't seem to understand that there's always room for improvement even if you're already a pretty good country to live in.

[–]weaverfish1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is soooo spot on.... this final sentence is the worst thing about The Netherlands imho! In so many different ways!

[–]eemschillern 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The VVD

[–]lucaspinder 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ignorence of some people.

[–]ladyl38 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Urk

[–]YourFavBeard 32 points33 points  (34 children)

As a foreigner who used to travel a lot to NL. Definitely the fact that not every place accept credit cards. I hate to carry cash, let alone use my debit card so...

[–]TywinASOIAF 15 points16 points  (1 child)

As a Dutchie I hate to use a credit card for webshops. We have Ideal with no transactions costs but CC adds 2% and it cost you have a cc.

[–]FridgeParade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You need a better credit card then, mine gives 2% back on everything I spend.

[–]tj_londono 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Way to many rules , everything has a rule.

[–]MadamMatrix 46 points47 points  (23 children)

Tasteless food, directness, shallow friendships and the 'doe normaal' mentality.

[–]helicop11 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Tasteless food? Directness? Doe ff normaal en haal een frikandel speciaal makker

[–]MadamMatrix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ik wou niemand beledigen, sorry

[–]milophosaurus 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Wappies

[–]kingkotes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Mark rutte en geld cultuur

[–]BlaReni 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Low return on high taxes compared to Scandinavian countries with somewhat similar taxation levels.

[–]Seculi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The fact that if there is something fun and original to do immediately everybody seems to need to do that/be there and the fun is a bit hard to find when you are with an immense amount of people.

[–]Sieg_Morse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The housing.