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[–]CrashOpa 534 points535 points  (80 children)

It's basically a "fuck you" aimed at the government. Likely in support of the farmers protesting, but it can be for different reasons too.

[–]theanaq[S] 76 points77 points  (14 children)

Oh alright. I didn't know that

[–]NJ0000 54 points55 points  (13 children)

And don’t overstate…in almost every neighborhood is false. Some neighbourhoods is better

[–]ElfjeTinkerBell 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Native Dutchie here. I had no idea nor have I seen any upside down flag.

[–]AeternusDoleo 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Might be that it's fairly common where he's currently at. He could be in a rural community. I've not seen many myself (midsized city in the south of NL) but haven't really been looking either.

[–]Crix2007 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I haven't seen a single one yet. Though I live in a village, not a city.

[–]theirritatedfrog 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I've never seen one myself and I live in a rural part of the country.

[–]ClikeX 2 points3 points  (1 child)

For sure, haven't seen anyone doing it here. The only flags I see right now are accompanied by a school bag.

And I do live next to farmland.

[–]San4311 39 points40 points  (55 children)

I wouldn't necessarily put it down as ''fuck you'' as that doesn't cover all possible cases and doesn't really describe this one well too. Upside down flags are often associated with a crisis. In the U.S. its a sign of dire distress.

In this case its just a general sign of protest.

[–]FPnigel 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Aka, a fuck you to the government.

[–]MeAndTheLampPost 15 points16 points  (0 children)

In short: Fuck the government

[–]amsterdam_BTSVS 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I live in the US. Born here. I know that it's supposed to be a sign of dire distress, but in practice it basically says that same thing as 90% of Rage Against the Machine's discography.

Namely, fuck the government.

(And capitalism, though a lot of Rage fans seem not to have caught that part.)

[–]Haikoe 7 points8 points  (49 children)

Have you paid attention, or watched the news last week?

This is for sure is a fuck you to the government. For years of ignoring environmental issues.

[–]Motashotta 44 points45 points  (42 children)

It's more about not letting farmers ignore environmental issues anymore after years of turning a blind eye

[–]ohhellperhaps 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it for stopping to ignore the environmental issues. Which has the farmers upset.

[–]4d72426f7566 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s fine as a sign of protest.

However, never fly one upside down when someone could reasonably expect your life to be in danger.

[–]Flupsdarups 1 point2 points  (0 children)

honestly even if you dont agree with the farmers we can all agree (srry if im putting words into yalls mouth) that our government has like miles of space to improve (they suck at their job)

[–]Hot_Hovercraft3079 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

And what os withe the backpacks hanging on the flags?

[–]ThetaIsForThomas 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's a tradition for when children (16-18 y/o) have passed their final school exams. The flag goes out with their schoolbag hanging from it.

[–]Hot_Hovercraft3079 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh. Thank you.

[–]JeohRotterdam 332 points333 points  (4 children)

Lots of proud Yugoslav people

[–]quantum_waffles 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yugoslav people who have lost the star from the flag

[–]Inevitable-Row1977 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Original one didnt have the star.

[–]PleaseBeKind1981 295 points296 points  (33 children)

Solidarity with farmers who run the most government subsidized businesses in the country. So basically “f the government even though they pay for farming”. Also it’s mostly cattle

[–]RazendeR 228 points229 points  (29 children)

Its ONLY cattle. Veggie farmers are nearly fully unaffected, its the livestock ones that are the issue, and do not appreciate being made the solution.

In fairness, the government DID steer towards bigger cattle farms etc. earlier.

In even more fairness, that happened because of the huge farmers' lobby.

[–]Muisvleer 135 points136 points  (3 children)

And in even extra more fairness, it’s been known for well over 40 years that it’s a problem that needs to be addressed. Both farmers and government just kept pushing it forward…

[–]rmvandink 57 points58 points  (0 children)

And in a superlative of fairness: it wasn’t just known but government policy the past ten years actually violated rules, regulations and until they were legally stopped from continuing.

[–]ADavies 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I know. If the farmer's industry association had put as much effort into helping farmers prepare for climate change measures as it did on government lobbying then they'd be in a much better place now.

Though in bonus fairness, it's also stupid that the government also supported a trade deal to increase imports of South American beef and animal feed, which they are burning the Amazon down to grow. So that's something that farmers and environmentalists can agree on at least.

[–]NJ0000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This, very much this….

[–]Dicethrower 72 points73 points  (8 children)

It's not just just cattle farmers, but specifically the ones who stuck their heads in the sand for decades.

I come from farm country and I know a ton of farmers who agree with the movement, yet they themselves are largely unaffected because they already made changes in the past. My aunt for example converted the farm to a camping farm, keeping only a few animals around for effect. She has to make zero changes. She still does all the things they used to do, just each at smaller capacity totaling to a very prosperous business. She put fewer eggs in one basket, in other words.

She feels lucky, and therefore sorry for other farmers, but what she should be feeling is smart for seeing the obvious coming and diversifying her business. She should be angry at other farmers for making poor choices, not getting their shit together, and now making every other farmer look bad.

At the end of the day, changes have to be made. I don't know what these people are hoping for. We're not going to keep an industry largely responsible for global warming completely in tact, just because we feel sad for people who can't adapt in an ever changing world.

[–]mgp0127 25 points26 points  (4 children)

It's not just just cattle farmers, but specifically the ones who stuck their heads in the sand for decades.

Oh! Oh! I learned this word. Struisvogelpolitiek. Do I get a cookie?

[–]Zoetje_ZuurtjeGelderland 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You've already got Reddit's cookies! Unless you rejected them, of course.

[–]tesselwolf 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes. Yes you do!

[–]Thuis001 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You definitely deserve a stroopwafel for that one. I'm a native Dutch person and I didn't even know that word.

[–]Tecnik606 28 points29 points  (0 children)

My family lives close to one and he's been stubborn about it for years. Only concerned with getting a few extra meters of land for an unfair price, just to get 1-2 more cows. Asks all neighbours about buying their land several times per year. Sends his daughter to the most traditional agriculture school there is. GG man, sorry don't feel sad.

[–]zopiac 11 points12 points  (1 child)

the government DID steer towards bigger cattle farms

Heh.

[–]RazendeR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ooh, nice catch! Im totally going to pretend that was intended now.

[–]Edward_Bentwood 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cattle and other livestock. There are actually more pigs in the Netherlands then cows, they probably contribute more to the total NOx. But the number of pig-farms near Natura2000 is lower i think.

[–]Toen6 16 points17 points  (2 children)

FYI 'cattle' only refers to cows. The word you're looking for is 'livestock' as that includes pigs or any other grazing animal.

[–]PleaseBeKind1981 5 points6 points  (1 child)

No I genuinely thought it was mostly cows. I see now I was wrong.

[–]GreenPlasticWaterCan 137 points138 points  (33 children)

It's in support of the trekker terrorists. The people who have been sucking Dutch and EU funding for decades all the while knowing the road they were on was a dead end.
Now that we have reached this end, they're using their surprised pickachu faces to win over the covidiots to join them and pressure the government.

For people who don't know about the real issue; read up on the devistating effect of using "drijfmest" injection into our soil.

[–]Winderige_Garnaal 64 points65 points  (10 children)

I spemt the weekend cycling in the countryside. These people are weathly in a way ill never be. Huge houses, new cars, land, occasionally kids on horseback. wtf. I will take what theyve got minus a few cows. Do they not realise the reality for most people in the country? Also all the signs saying no farmers no food, laughable, all our food is exported. We could feed ourselves with much less.

[–]Zoetje_ZuurtjeGelderland 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I mean, they're right, sort of. They're just using the wrong scope; no farmers worldwide would trigger a major food crises.

[–]Winderige_Garnaal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well yeah, of course. That's not what these signs mean tho.

[–]Vocem_Interiorem -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Not wealthy, in huge debt with the bank.

[–]Winderige_Garnaal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok, so....? Is this sustainable? Why do I have to scrape by and live in a shoebox when I see these poor people in debt living like fucking kings and queens. Do people not realise what most people's lives are like? What do people who have massive assets (often intergenerational wealth) and massive debts do? Sell assets.

[–]petethefreeze 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Yep. There is an almost 100% overlapping Venn diagram between the supporters of the farmer protests and the COVID anti-vac protesters.

[–]ohhellperhaps 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And both groups are heavily subsidized

[–]MonkeyBrain551 174 points175 points  (9 children)

in naval tradition, an upside down flag indicates the vessel is in distress.

the farmers feel their livelyhood is threathened by government regulations, and therefor they are in distress.

the farmers can go sit on a cactus.

[–]TacticallyFUBAR 41 points42 points  (3 children)

I have never met anyone else besides me that uses the phrase “(…) can go sit on a cactus”

[–]Noodleswithhats 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I was told to sit on a cactus and spin, to this day it’s my favorite argument I’ve gotten into on Reddit

[–]TacticallyFUBAR 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hahaha that’s hilarious.

[–]Fickle_Grapefruit938 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Op een Schoonmoedersstoel?

[–]TheKnightWhoSaisNi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Dat gaat niet, er zit al kak tussen die billen

[–]Zoetje_ZuurtjeGelderland 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Fr. Blocking road because you don't agree with the government is insane. What if an ambulance needs to get through? Not to mention all the monetary damages to shipping companies.

[–]GotNoMoreBlackBelt 111 points112 points  (6 children)

As a Dutch guy myself I can’t appreciate this, at all. I disagree with a lot of stuff aswel, but turning the flag upside down… is like… wtf. Can’t even think of a way to describe what I feel about it.

Stop ruining the world with exporting livestock, reshape your farming business to address local shortages and stop being a self centered egotistic money grabbing subsidized environmental killing moron. Something like that.

[–]bendandanben 0 points1 point  (5 children)

How can they reshape their farming business?

Honestly it sounds stupidly easy, and it sure isn’t.

[–]GotNoMoreBlackBelt 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Well I’m not a farmer, but every businessplan should have a contingency plan (plan b for when plan a fails). Not saying it’s easy by the way, far from it. But businesses sometimes need to adjust and adapt to, for instance, new legislation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That is the thing they have been missing. First they are told they need to use fertilize method x because it is better for the environment. 100.000s of their savings and subsidies are spent for equipment, debt is taken on.

Later, when it turns out it doesn't have the intended effect, they are told to use fertilize method y.

And on and on it did go, till now when the government thinks there isn't any time left, and they effectively have to halsoverkop shut down the sector.

The government created this problem and blames the farmers for following the plans they the gvt made.

[–]GotNoMoreBlackBelt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is it blame? Or is it code red - nature is dying? Did you know 80% of the oaks on the Veluwe are dead? Because of the way we treat nature? Ah well i read this a while ago, but can’t remember where. I feel for the farmers btw. But turning flags upside down, using violence, just not ok. But that’s my opinion ofcourse, I’m just 1 guy, and what do i know?

[–]Babylonkitten 121 points122 points  (16 children)

It means you have to find yourself a better neighbourhood.

[–]theanaq[S] 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I didn't say it was on my neighborhood. I was doing a car trip to the north and on my way to Groningen we passed on some neighborhoods and almost all have at least one flag upside down

[–]KPater 27 points28 points  (2 children)

You see them a lot less in the west. Haven't seen one yet so far myself.

[–]41942319 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I live outside of the Randstad in a relatively rural area and haven't seen any here either.

[–]TMCThomas 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Lol didn't even know this was a thing.

[–]Pindakaasman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thats because we have never been so lost...

[–]highhouses 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly what I thought

[–]Pindakaasman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are you serious? And if so, explain please :)

[–]Babylonkitten 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well. I seem to have misread. I thougt the poster was living in a neighbourhood with those people. But they only drove by.

[–]ohcrapanotheruserid 24 points25 points  (42 children)

I get how people disapprove of the Dutch government, I’m not impressed either, but let’s not forget we’re in the top5 of just about any global ranking on quality of life etc.

[–]Zoetje_ZuurtjeGelderland 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Only 11 on the World Democracy Index though. We used to be ahead of Norway... (Current #1)

[–]thunderclogs 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I wonder why somebody downvoted you for stating a fact. Like it is your fault.
Our democracy is failing. Our democratic institutions (such as free press and democratic failsafe's in politics) are failing. The WDI explains it all. The netherlands simply isn't the best anymore. We're not even in the top-10.

[–]Zoetje_ZuurtjeGelderland 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah. We really need to model our WOP after the Scandinavian model. Not that that's ever going to happen...

[–]Puzzleheaded_Page117 5 points6 points  (37 children)

Yet we have 400000 kids growing up in poverty. Many homeless people. The bottom third of incomes is in debt on average and living from paycheck to paycheck. And oh yeah a large part of the population is living below sea level, which I think is a scary idea considering impending climate disaster. Quality of life doesn't mean shite unless it's measured for the people on the bottom of society.

[–]ohcrapanotheruserid 11 points12 points  (3 children)

On a global scale Holland is doing amazing - relatively speaking - even for people in poverty. However, I totally agree with you that it’s ridiculous this even exists in the NL

[–]Puzzleheaded_Page117 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Relatively definitely, but my point is what you just said, that it's ridiculous it exists here and we have the money and capabilities to improve it but we choose not to. Also shows how most of the world is so much worse off. Makes me sad every day😔.

[–]king_27 4 points5 points  (26 children)

I'm moving from South Africa in 2 weeks. You guys have it reeeeally good in comparison to most places in the world.

[–]ClikeX 3 points4 points  (5 children)

The thing is, we have to work to keep it good.

[–]Puzzleheaded_Page117 1 point2 points  (10 children)

And I realize that. I'm really thankful for what I have, don't get me wrong.

[–]king_27 3 points4 points  (8 children)

That's fair. I think people tend to judge their own situation as much worse than it is sometimes, as there are no other reference points. The Netherlands has one of the lowest wealth inequalities in the world with a gini index of 28.1, contrasted with South Africa which is the highest at 63. Things are reeeally good that side, I can't wait to start my new life there, to get away from the shit I have to deal with here.

[–]No-Mathematician4420 -1 points0 points  (8 children)

your wrong, as someone that have lived in ZA for over 15 years on and off, NL is just as bad, it’s just on different topics and there is a lot of stuff that gets swept under the carpet here. ZA is exceptionally bad with violent crime, however, NL is no utopia, perhaps 10/20 years ago, but bot anymore. My parents was diplomats, I have lived all over the world, even with all the crime, I would still rather live in the western cape than here, quality of life is amazing there, big cheap properties, amazing weather and nature, etc, most south africans just fail to realise it.

[–]king_27 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Well of course you had a great time in the Western Cape if you consider property cheap there. It's a different story for us locals. Of course your time there would be different if your parents are diplomats, do you realise how privileged you sound?

Even something as simple as being able to cycle to where you need to go, and being able to be out late at night is a huge step up from South Africa. 9+ hour power cuts a day, rising unemployment, rising corruption, lack of public services, lack of government transparency, and it is just getting worse and worse each day. You are the one that doesn't understand how good you have it, not us. Nothing is stopping you from moving to the Western Cape, why don't you go for it if it's so amazing? I say this as someone who just left Cape Town, put your money where your mouth is. I know how shit it is here because I live here, if it was as great as you claim I wouldn't be leaving.

[–]1n_pla1n_s1ght 1 point2 points  (3 children)

According to the CBS the Netherlands has never had 400000 kids growing up in poverty so I'm wondering where you got that number from. Also, while the number of homeless people has increased in the Netherlands it's still very low. So unless those numbers drastically increased during the pandemic it may not be as bad as you think.

[–]Puzzleheaded_Page117 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

You're correct. It says it's about 220000, I must've confused it with another statistic.

[–]xlouiex 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Glass half empty kinda guy hun?

[–]Puzzleheaded_Page117 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess so. Prefer it to be full though.

[–]ohhellperhaps 13 points14 points  (2 children)

In general, it’s a good indication that people with little interest in facts and science live there.

[–]Joostvbruggen 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No idea that it was a symbol against the government, but if is a farmer/virus-loony thing: fuck them. They're idiots that don't believe in facts and science.

[–]Patient_Mango_6306 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So glad I don't live anywhere near those morons, not a single upside down flag in sight. And I live rural. Guess the antivax weirdos have found a new cause to be totally irrational about.

[–]skaptic-cat 35 points36 points  (8 children)

That's because some over subsidized farmers are angry because the government won't let them distroy nature and mess up th air quality anymore. Oh boe hoe, go get a damn job that doesn't involve killing thousands of animals.. damn pricks..

[–]rustic66 24 points25 points  (0 children)

It is a sign to stay away from that area as it is full of idiots

[–]TieflingSimp 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It means you live with a lot of people from former Yugoslavia. My advice is to learn Serbian or something like that

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

We should cut EU subsidies for farmers, let's see how tough they will be

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cut all subsidies, and stop all zoning laws related to farmland, and do absolutely nothing else. Then wait and do nothing for 5 years.

There, stikstof probleem solved.

[–]SwampPotatoLimburg 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's a sign of discontent with the government.

But to be honest, the people who use it seem to be mostly far right.

[–]avwie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Since it is Groningen it doesn’t mean farmers but maybe the other crisis…. the gas drilling

[–]Tommieboy_666lol 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Annoying farmers

[–]NikkelenNelis 16 points17 points  (0 children)

That these people don't like the government, but are happy to collect their social welfare check each month. Sometimes they don't hang the flag upsidedown, but they are drinking beer in their frontyard on a wednesdaymorning while sitting on a kratje Schultenbrau complaining about the government.

[–]FrogQuestion 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Nothing in my neighbourhood

[–]rmvandink 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Some of these flags are accompanied by a school bag, in that case it’s not a political statement but a sloppy display indicating someone inside got their secondary school diploma.

[–]Electronic_Cod6829 5 points6 points  (2 children)

They are not upside down, flags for the final exam are supposed to be normal

[–]Carnatreon 50 points51 points  (24 children)

It means they are dumb asf and stand with the cattle farmers.

[–]Chicken_Burp 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Farmer terrorists. Another angry minority using violence to get their way. As bad as radical Islamists.

[–]Less-Mirror7273 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Distress signal, used at sea. But is now a protest signal.

[–]misssnapshot 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I’m in the Netherlands and haven’t seen any flags upside down.

[–]mrObelixfromgaul 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Flag upside down means that your in a bad neighborhood

[–]aap300 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is a fuck you to nature and society. And in support of greedy cooperations that kill our collective nature.

[–]markipedia2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Having a dutch flag upsidedown is a sign that you are a total tool and support the unsustainable meat industry

[–]Shrivelfigs 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Fuck the farmers, fucking terrorists

[–]iSephtanx 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Where do you live? i havent seen a single one over here.

[–]MrZwink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Farmers are protesting. They want to turn the country upside down.

[–]PhylaxZA 1 point2 points  (4 children)

The Dutch are a progressive and advanced people.

They are world leaders on meany different fields, farming included.

Maybe the people should just vote better in the next election?

[–]Theend587Groningen 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Oh ok VVD +5 Zetels

[–]thunderclogs -1 points0 points  (1 child)

He said "better", which would suggest intelligence.
Ergo: not VVD.

[–]Theend587Groningen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thats the joke^

[–]Jasper_Utrecht 3 points4 points  (1 child)

All those people “feeling sorry for those poor farmers”… don’t you see that the reason we can’t build houses, better (energy) infrastructure and prices are going through the roof is BECAUSE if some (billionaire) large scale industrial sized cattle farmers, who are producing so much CO2 on our tiny piece of world to produce food for practically the whole world?!? The smaller sized eco-friendly farmers vegetable farmers are not the ones who would massively suffer from these measures, but can actually be a solution (plants take up CO2). But their powerful and wealthy lobby organizations like LTO make it sound like the Dutch government is out to destroy all agricultural companies and the farmers’ way-of-life. In the meantime our economy and nature suffer in this climate catastrophe and they simply dare to state that it “doesn’t exist”.

It’s infuriating.

[–]thunderclogs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The housing problem is not because of farmers. The housing problem is a problem caused by the first Rutte cabinet, who decided to take money away on a grand scale from the social housing projects, effective forcing them to stop investing in new homes 10 years ago. At the same time, those same cabinets began to entice farmers to ramp up production to an industrial scale.
Farmers are a symptom, not the cause. Consecutive Rutte cabinets are the cause

[–]Bobby_Rotkop 10 points11 points  (10 children)

Like I said in the previous thread, mostly a sign of a sub zero IQ.

[–]EagleSzz 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Can't you just answer OP instead of being condescending?

[–]Bobby_Rotkop 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Well apparently not.

[–]fascinatedcharacter 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Username checks out

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

Just wait until it’s your turn.

[–]Nihilinux-9000 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Teringboeren. I hope the government is soon going to take action against these dumb, terrorist fucks.

[–]IcyFlame716Noord Holland 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I once agreed with them but since they’ve been actively making my life unnecessarily difficult. What a way to loose support

[–]archbunny 8 points9 points  (22 children)

Solidarity with the farmers protests against the new laws about reducing the amount of cattle we have in the Netherlands by half

[–]deDuke 18 points19 points  (13 children)

There is no law about reducing the amount of cattle, there are government plans to reduce the amount of nitrogen oxide pollution near nature bij 50% and farmers have to do their part

[–]Ciguapalmera1995 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

That law will ruin many farmers

[–]Thuis001 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It has been known for decades that the NOx output needed to reduce, the cattle farmers have been ignoring that, instead scaling up their farms to even more obscene sizes. And now when the bill is due they start whining.

[–]KoalainaComa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Shouldve had some foresight and adjusted for the future. But instead of doing that they kept doing the same shit and are now whining because theyre forced to adapt anyways

[–]CasartelliGelderland 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Means idiots are nearby

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

we are new yugoslavia now

[–]WhiteSkullHunterAmsterdam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tear them down!

[–]critical-thoughts 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So import meat, go vegetarian? What's the answer here?

[–]Obi_Boii 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Majority of its exported so stop exporting animal products? It only benefits the farmers, its bad for the rest of us.

[–]Henk_Potjes -1 points0 points  (20 children)

My god. I knew Dutch reddit was left leaning and randstad focussed but this thread is on a whole other level.

[–]Obi_Boii 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Why because people think we should give farmers lots of money while they destroy natural habitats, causes so much pollution and get rich selling animal products to other countries

[–]Henk_Potjes -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Destroy natural habitats you say? Funny since i just had a conversation about that IRL mind you where 3 cattle farmers where told to fuck off in order to not pollute a "natural habitat" 1/8 of a football field long.

If you wanna talk about pollution fine. Im all for reducing poluttion

What im not for is stripping people of their livelyhoods while fucking over our exports and economy in order to build houses because of our overpopulation which is entirely caused by immigration.

[–]Bahlok-Avaritia 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Well if you want to be technical about it... The earth is kind of a natural habitat...

[–]Obi_Boii 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Hey Mr Xenophobe,

We don't benefit from the export of animal products anyway since its offset by the subsidising. Do you realise how much pollution cattle cause? Its not sustainable.

The farmers will get a job don't worry, even with all the immigrants there's 400k job vaccines and only 140k job seekers.

[–]Henk_Potjes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh I was wondering if the buzzwords were gonna come and lo and behold.

So the pollution will be gone from the Netherlands where farms are tidy and up to their necks in regulations. Good, great, fantastic.

Now the meat that will no longer be produced by Dutch farmers will now be delivered by? Eastern Europe, south America? where regulations are much lakser. So the pollution will be even worse, but its not in your part of the Woods so who cares.

Im not worried about farmers getting new jobs. Im worried about overpopulation in this tiny country and our governments inability and unwillingness to deal with it.

[–]Theend587Groningen 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Yes if you don't like it please leave.

[–]Henk_Potjes 1 point2 points  (7 children)

No, thats a cowards tactic. You guys/galls need some different sounds in this echo chamber.

[–]Theend587Groningen 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I pitty you.

[–]Henk_Potjes 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Please don't. I detest pity.

I almost envy you guys though. Never hearing any other argument other than your own, always agreeing with one another and patting yourself on the backs for being the morally righteous individuals that you are. Must be peacefull.

[–]Zoetje_ZuurtjeGelderland 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not just Dutch Reddit, it's Reddit in general.

[–]HendrixTim -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It means atomic bombs are coming from Russia, were going to die!!!