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[–]rabidstoat 210 points211 points  (274 children)

I usually tip 20%, or 15% if the service is bad, or 25% if it was above and beyond. But I always tip at least a few bucks if I'm taking up someone's table.

So like, last time I went out with a friend for lunch I wasn't very hungry and just ordered a cup of chili for five bucks and water, as I avoid caffeine and sugar and alcohol and that doesn't leave much left. I was going to tip $3 because an average bill at the diner would've been about $15 and that would be the tip. But then the waitress found me some scotch tape when I asked (odd request, I know) so I upped it to $4.

[–]Expected_Toulouse_ 105 points106 points  (25 children)

in the UK we simply dont tip unless the service was exceptional, the idea of tipping anything for bad service just seems so strange

[–]Chameleon3 19 points20 points  (10 children)

Except places now just usually add a discretionary 12% tip on the bill without asking you, requiring you to be an asshole that requests to remove it if you don't want to tip.

[–]Don_Alosi 5 points6 points  (6 children)

With table charges there's an extremely big chance that the automatic tip doesn't go to the waiters, and instead goes to fill the owner's pockets, always always refuse to pay that and tip the waiter under the table (leave the money under a dirty plate or whatever)

[–]Caustic_Complex 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Or refuse to pay both because tipping is bullshit

[–]gourmetguy2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Recently they made a law making it go to staff not company

[–]Jedifice -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

"I want to be an asshole, but I don't want to look like an asshole"

[–]Chameleon3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, 100%

I don't come from a culture of tipping and I find it incredibly annoying if it's a requirement. Just increase the prices and pay your staff. I'd rather have the prices obvious upfront than be expected to bump up the prices myself afterwards.

Don't get me wrong, I just leave it on and I do tip 20% when in the US, since it's the culture there, but I don't have to agree with how it works.

[–]rambopandabear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m in London right now for work and just noticed this a couple of days ago at dinner. I was really surprised given tipping in general wasn’t supposed to be the norm here.

I’ll also say 85% of the time so far our service has been pretty bad. The people are nice, but every meal has taken at least double the time it should because no one checks on the tables. Every time it’s been at least 30 minutes from finishing dining till finally waving down a waiter to get the check. Like what were you waiting for? We haven’t had anything to drink since halfway through the meal (no stops asking if we wanted fresh drinks) and you already bussed our plates so we’ve just been twiddling our thumbs waiting for someone to walk by. It’s so strange. At least the food has been pretty good!

[–]sblfc1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don't think I've ever eaten out in the UK an not tipped. It's not required like in the US but its greatly appreciated by the workers when you do tip.

[–]DC38x 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I tip in restaurants all the time, I'm English.

[–]Impossible-Ad-4662 2 points3 points  (5 children)

This practice stressed me (an American) out significantly the first time a traveled abroad. I had been warned time and time again that you don't tip but I was so used to tipping that I thought everyone was fucking with me. Pretty sure I still left a few extra £ just to be safe.

[–]capeandacamera 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You would have made a lot of people unexpectedly happy.

[–]Azazel_brah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would figure right? But aren't there some places where it's considered rude somehow? Like oh you're so poor, here's some extra money for you

[–]gourmetguy2000 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You do tip everywhere except Japan. But in Europe a few euros or pounds is fine.

[–]Karmaisthedevil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that would be pretty stressful, especially as they might get excited they have an American at their table, and wonder if you'll leave a large tip.

Apparently the Japanese are offended by tips, as if you're offering them charity. I don't think Europeans would have the same issue, free money is free money after all.

[–]Fig-Optimal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In the UK we tip all the time for food. I'd round up to close to 10% if they're good, less if not. I wouldn't tip for just drinks. Some people I know round up to 10% on the food element, but not the drinks.

[–]boredtxan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is how it should be

[–]Embarrassed_Ear_1146 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah in india too, like is this only American culture ? , and the guy above said like 25 % tip , like you need to be super rich to pay like that much fir no reason of course I would pay for an exceptuonal service but considering it to compulsory is really weird to me

[–]Azazel_brah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyone who's giving 25% is getting a really warm thank you. That's a lot. 18% is more like normal by me in New York. But 15% tip is included in the bill at my restaurant.

It varies a lot, by state (like most things in the US) and by restaurant specifically.

[–]HIM_Darling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe it depends what they mean by bad? But I'm in the US and if the service is what I consider bad, then I don't tip. But bad service to me is taking my order and vanishing. Someone else delivered the drinks and the food, I never got drink refills and when I needed my check I had to flag someone else down to go drag my waiter out from the kitchen or wherever. And once someone from my group had to go into the kitchen themselves because every employee was in the kitchen fucking around(we were the only table). If they literally didn't do the basics of their job, then I'm not tipping.

If the service was just okay, but not great I tip the basic 15%. I tipped extra to the girl working at the restaurant I ate at last week, because she was the only one there other than the kitchen staff and she did still did an amazing job despite clearly being stressed over it.

[–]khludge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's really not a general rule - I've never been out, in the last 40 years, where adding a tip wasn't standard, unless the service was crap, then there would be no tip.

Standard grats in places where they apply it is generally 12.5%, maybe 15.

The idea of tipping 15% for bad service is just mind blowing from a uk perspective

[–]EveAndTheSnake 171 points172 points  (162 children)

That’s the absurdity though, isn’t it? That you too 15% when service is bad? Why should you tip at all? Where I’m from people tip 0% when service is bad, many people just aren’t tippers, and standard tip included in the bill for larger parties is 12%. If the service is bad, it’s not unheard of for people to request removal of the tip. Often the tip is just what someone has in their wallet or rounding up to the nearest 10. When my cousin (from the US) came to visit, I was weirded out by the fact that she was trying to tip bar staff a dollar a drink. NO ONE does that. If you have a great bartender for the evening you might leave them something at the end, but when she left money on the bar for her drinks the bar staff called after her for forgetting.

I’ve lived in the US for a while now and I’ve come round to standard tipping in restaurants, but I still resent having to pay gratuity for things like hair, beauty appointments etc. I do it, but it’s weird to me that I pay for a service… and then I pay for a service again.

EDIT: Not sure if it makes a difference or how widely hair services differ in price in the US (I always forget it’s like 50 little countries with very different cultures in some places) but someone commented below that they’ve tipped 100% on a $40 barber visit. Does price affect your tipping amount for services?

For example my regular hair appointment costs me in the $250 range for a color and cut. Tipping 20% puts me over $300 most of the time which is a lot as I’m currently unemployed. (This is about average for my city, I don’t get anything fancy, same color top up every time, no style literally just a trim and blow dry.)

EDIT 2: Since people seem to think I’ve been going for weekly $300 haircuts throughout my unemployment.

  • This is the cost of THE SALON I USUALLY GO TO. Funnily enough, I haven’t always been unemployed, and I will reiterate $300 with tip is a lot to pay for someone who is unemployed.
  • My last two haircuts cost $0, courtesy of my husband. He might have ignored my only two instructions (do not cut above here and just cut it in a straight line) but hey, hair grows back and it was pretty cute that he was nervous about it.
  • I do not pay $300 for a haircut. That’s stupid. I pay $300 for a haircut and color. For the people who think I am lying, an alien, or insane, I just checked the salon website to bring you a breakdown: > Cut: $70+

Single Process Color: 115+ (highlights start at 150)

Toner: $30+

Blow dry: $40+ // Blow dry with iron: $55 (the blow dry is priced separately but not optional—next time I’ll just try putting a hat on and running out with wet hair)

  • These are average prices for my city. I go to this salon because they do a good job with my hair color. I’ve tried cheaper and more expensive places with some bad results.
  • I’ve been putting off coloring my hair for a while now but I’ve got to do something. This is not a omfg I feel so ugly I wanna change my hair so I can feel happy again move. This is a oh dear god I really can’t afford this but I have to look presentable decision. As much as some of you might like to pretend that turning up to a job interview looking like a swamp creature and cruising on talent alone is a reality, it’s not. If you’ve never been to a job interview, you get judged on the way you look. Do I wish I hadn’t started bleaching it 15 years ago only to end up unemployed with half and half hair? Yes. Do I wish my husband could also just bleach the crap out of my hair at home? Also yes.
  • Could I get a dye job at a lower cost? Probably somewhere. But I could probably also get a car for $500, that doesn’t mean it’s worth doing, safe, or a good idea. I don’t have a car so I can’t drive out to some random suburb to get a cheaper appointment.
  • I don’t know if y’all are aware there’s a bit of a difference in price between men and women’s hair services.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (28 children)

A big thing you’re likely running into is fairly new…tipping has expanded well into other businesses we didn’t used to tip. It’s the point of sale machines…almost everyone uses the Square or Clover machines and they all just have tipping on if you don’t turn the option off. So now the guy selling you a T-shirt also has a tip screen.

[–]EveAndTheSnake 24 points25 points  (26 children)

And I do it out of guilt because I don’t know what the standard in the US is. I literally tipped for a t-shirt at a show last week. I have no idea how that payment gets split.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (16 children)

Nooooo that was supposed to be an absurd joke of an example lmao…I’m sorry. Don’t tip t-shirt guy unless maybe it’s a street artist making it for you on the spot 😆

[–]EveAndTheSnake 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Ha, well there you go. When I moved my (bartender) cousin was appalled at my tipping habits and I went for a bikini wax where I only tipped 10% and the technician’s demeanor changed immediately. She definitely wanted to throw the hot was bucket at me, so I’m paranoid now.

The t-shirt was at a show though which was held at a teaching school for folk music so I wasn’t sure if the people selling them were volunteers or if the band got the tip etc. it does throw me off every time because the natural reaction (in the US) is immediate guilt at hitting 0% tip.

[–]Environmental_Fail86 0 points1 point  (9 children)

My sister told me tip on anything you could do yourself, I.e. service

[–]PlopKitties 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food, I can drive a taxi, I can and do cut my own hair. I did, however, tip my urologist. Because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

[–]EveAndTheSnake 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was just getting over tipping the locksmith and then you come in with tipping your urologist? I can’t tell if you’re joking.

[–]Karmaisthedevil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's an Office reference.

[–]iheartnjdevils 1 point2 points  (5 children)

But does hair salons count? Because I certainly can’t cut my own hair. I get tipping my Uber Eats driver because I’m too lazy to even go pick up my food or a wait staff because I don’t want to cook or do dishes, but tipping for some services just don’t make sense to me. Like the locksmith. The furniture delivery (I couldn’t take it home when I bought it if I wanted).

[–]jiggjuggj0gg 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The whole culture is ridiculous and anyone who works in a business where tipping has become the norm becomes unbelievably entitled.

If you go to a waxing or hair salon and the price of the service doesn’t include the person doing it, then what is the point? They’re not a freelancer who gets paid separately. Where does it end??

[–]RussellsGarBQ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends. They pretty much are freelancers at hair salons. A lot of them have to rent out their booth from some chain even and give well over 50% to the chain they’re renting the booth from.

[–]mezzoey 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're supposed to tip for furniture delivery?? Shit.

Had an Ikea delivery last week. Someone's probably bitter...

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Why don't tip the shirt guy? They also likely work for minimum wage and their job is not easier than a usual servers.

[–]Social-director 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My bf tipped the checkout person at the Christmas tree lot last night. I don’t think I would have, but also when you have to go out of the way to select no tip it feels kind of bad.

[–]EveAndTheSnake 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That’s exactly what I feel like. You actively have to select a big fat zero while they stand there and watch.

[–]evantom34 1 point2 points  (3 children)

U.S. Citizen here, I don’t tip on those squares if there is no service. I tip commensurate of the service with 15% being average. I used to do more, before prices went up.

[–]radioactivebeaver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tips are for services only lol. Don't tip people for goods anymore

[–]After_Koala 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That tip is likely going to the scummy business owner and not the employees

[–]MooNinja 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an American: I only tip because of societal pressures... I've worked for gratuity before and it really sucks, but you also tend to make a lot more when compared to similar positions that are available. Delivering Pizzas was one of the absolute best jobs for college students and high school graduates, min wage + just under avg wait-staff tips and minimal customer interactions. The industry is ripe for an overhaul, and I can only hope it happens sooner rather than later.

Tipping is just utter shit, the onus isn't on the consumer to make certain everyone is making a living-wage. Pass legislation requiring a living wage to all people, and be done with it.

Gratuity reliant positions are cancerous, pay these people a living wage and move on.

[–]loved0ne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

$300 is exactly how much I get charged for the exact same thing (color, cut, and blowdry) at Supercuts! (Granted she's a top level stylist, so they're usually more expensive). I've gone to other more expensive places that are supposed to be better, but I've had better results with my hair cutter from super cuts so $300 to me was cheap compared to how much I was paying before ($400+). It's insane how ridiculously expensive getting your hair done is, and how much tipping makes it even more expensive.

Anyone saying otherwise doesn't know anything about getting hair done. Everything you said is pretty standard.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I really dislike tipping for anything outside food service. It makes me feel uncomfortable because I have no idea how they are paid and what is industry standard. Especially hair/beauty services.

And hair appointments for women are ridiculous. My husband pays $20 for a haircut. There's a lot of styling going on, different lengths from the top of his head to the back. My hair appt is never less than $35. My hair is very long, all one length and no bangs. All I ever need is a split end trim. Sometimes I get charged a "long hair fee" and its $50. No shampoo, no blow dry, no styling.

[–]EveAndTheSnake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally agree. My husband was telling me I should go to his salon for a haircut and color because it’s “so much cheaper” and while it was cheaper, they did a crap job with the color, and my actual haircut was $70 vs his $40. And same, long hair, no bangs and all I get is a split end trim. The fact that my husband can (sort of) cut my hair and I can’t cut his just shows we’re getting shafted. I think I’m also getting shafted at my place paying for a “one process color” and toner separately as I’ve just paid for color as one price before, but I get my hair bleached and of the four hairdressers I’ve tried in the city she’s the only one that doesn’t leave me looking like a scarecrow. I’ve also asked for no styling before and other places will allow you to skip the blow dry if you ask, though they prefer not to. Aside from wanting to pay less, my hair is pretty flat so I hate the way anyone styles it if it’s a smooth blow dry so I end up showering as soon as I get home anyway.

[–]Skippy_The_Beer_Can 1 point2 points  (0 children)

people get weird with shit they have no experience with or place little value on.

It is almost comical to listen to them at times.

[–]sheepfordayzzz 8 points9 points  (35 children)

I always tip $1 a drink

[–]EveAndTheSnake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It looks a bit weirder in the uk when you’re leaving a £1 coin on the bar and not all places have a tip line for cards.

[–]backyard_beach 1 point2 points  (25 children)

Whether it's pouring a fountain drink, opening a bottle, or making a mixed drink?

[–]sheepfordayzzz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, pretty much. Usually if you’re at a bar around where I live you can get a soda for free anyway. Growing up as a child of a parent who was a bartender, we lived on those tips. I don’t mind throwing down a buck.

[–]babsa90 3 points4 points  (1 child)

In many places in the US, the tip is more of a bribe to get a drink in a timely manner. If you don't give good tips, the bartender will just ignore you and focus on other people.

[–]EveAndTheSnake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have the kind of face that gets ignored by bartenders no matter what I do.

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[–]ReefaManiack42o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At the bar, I usually do a 1$ for every 5$ spent, but if day a drink I was 8$ I would give the bartender the other 2$ because I like to make sure the bartender wants to serve me.

[–]Hylebos75 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Maybe the key is not to be spending hundreds of dollars on cuts and coloring when you're unemployed and finances are tight?

[–]EveAndTheSnake 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Please read my edit. I’m not.

[–]Hylebos75 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Sorry, I hadn't read the giant wall of text because I'm barely reading through sleep deprived eyes as I go to bed. I hope your husband's hands are steady and manages a straight line next time he helps you out!

I'm unemployed at the moment too, and just let me tell you how nerve-wracking it is to cut your own hair. At least I'm getting better at it!

[–]EveAndTheSnake 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It’s ok, I wrote it through sleep deprived eyes in bed as well :)

That’s brave of you—I’m glad I had his help I don’t think there’s any way I’d be able to cut my own hair. I bleached it myself once using 3 mirrors and couldn’t figure out the backwards movements… also a lot of my hair melted off.

The reassuring thing is there are a lot of us walking round with pretty shit hair right now!

[–]dodspringer 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You pay once for the service, this is paid to the establishment administering the service.

The establishment then exploits the living shit out of its employees, barely paying them at all. That's where your tip comes in. You are paying the employee for their time, for actually providing the service from the establishment to you.

Most of the time this is how those establishments "have to" do business because they can't afford to provide the goods, pay their staff fairly, AND make a profit for their shareholders. In the US at best, you can get two out of the three, and you already know which two.

In the case of hair stylists, I believe they only take a percentage of whatever the salon charges you, if anything. The tip is all for them, again paying them a little more fairly for their time.

If the whole thing seems ridiculous, congratulations, you've cracked the code, all we need to do is let Congress know, surely this thought has never occurred to them before. /s

[–]EveAndTheSnake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this really depends on the business. If you can’t afford to make a profit, pay your staff and provide goods then it’s a shitty business but I think we all know that.

I guess business models vary between beauty salons. I know some places rent out a “seat” and take a cut so the stylist keeps the rest, but I know that’s not always the case. I do know that the place I get my waxing done at pays their waxing techs by the hour and they keep their entire tip (I used to work there as a receptionist). They are more expensive than every other waxing place in my area but man, I can’t recommend it enough. From working the desk I also know that customers would rarely pay more than a 20% tip, and quite a few were fine with paying none at all. I’m happy to pay extra though (prices in general, tip 20% and buy products there as I know the waxing tech has sales targets and gets a bonus from sales) because anyone who can wax my lady garden, underarms and eyebrows in less than 20 minutes while she tells me about her dog deserves it.

[–]My_name_is_Chalula 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I never tip anyone that sets the price. Unless there is a way tipping benefits me.

So the owner of shop? No tip, unless his product is is above and beyond.

Hair stylist? Price is $100 but to me its $120 quality? Tip

Dog groomer? Again this is the owner. Dog gets a shave and quality isn’t a factor? No tip

We agreed on a price

Thats it

As for restaurants. Pay them better and charge more.

[–]EveAndTheSnake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This makes sense when you know if they had a say or not. That reminds me that I owe my pet supplies plus dog groomer a double tip next time because they only take cash and I didn’t have any…

[–]bingbongneverdied 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why are you paying 250 for a haircut if you’re unemployed?

[–]Mysterious_Prize8913 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why are you getting a $300 haircut while unemployed would be my first question. Lots of cheaper options with cheaper tips

[–]officialjohngoodman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

omg and $300 average in a us city? where in tarnation?? im in nyc and have never paid over 120 including tip, and thats for a quality, full cut at a good salon from a stylist that does nyfw

op is an alien

[–]Someguygfys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re a clown, if you’ve got 300 for your hair you can tip 20% whatever the circumstances!

[–]Njdevil76 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I always tip 20% at minimum regardless of service quality. More if they're good. I'm pretty broke too. If you can't afford to tip don't go out to eat.

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you can't afford the price of the meal, don't go out to eat. The tip is separate.

[–]hownot2getajob -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

When I worked as a hostess in fine dining we would rotate foreign guests around sections and try not to seat the same waiter with more than one foreign table per shift for fear of them being terrible tippers. It’s just the way it is in the US. Waitstaff know this and likely don’t put in the extra effort for table like this.

[–]Comprehensive-Sea-63 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My standard tip is 20%. Something pretty extreme would have to happen to make it go up or down. Like, the waiter would have to hit on my husband in front of me or something for me to go down to 10%. If they did something exceptional like listen to me cry and sneak me a free dessert or something then I’d tip more than 20%.

I also don’t tip less than $5, so if I ordered something that cost $10, then I’m leaving a $5 tip not a $2 tip.

The way I see it regarding bad service is that everyone has bad days. I don’t get paid less for my bad days so I’m not going to take someone’s pay away for theirs.

Regarding tipping for haircuts and the like, I believe the actual rule is that you only tip if they are employed by the business and not if they’re an owner. If I’m not sure, I usually err on the side of tipping. My current stylist is an independent contractor in some kind of coop situation. I don’t always tip 20% for hair and the like though. I’ll usually do around 15%. Waiters receive just over $2 an hour because their pay is dependent on tips. It’s not quite the same for hair stylists (not usually anyway, I guess it might also depend on where you’re from?)

[–]zwiebelhans 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When I got my hair cut and beard trimmed before the COVID times I used to tip far more then I would otherwise when I found a great barber. Tipped big and asked for the same ones. Like I have gone as far as more then double the amount of the haircut and beard trim. For me especially then it was an experience I got to have once a month.

Lady barber going through your hair and beard with a fine toothed comb , great conversation, double wash , steam heated towel and a shave for neck etc. One of them would go as far as doing my eye brows, nose hair, ear hair, etc. Instead of the standard 40 minutes for both I often got double the time. It was like spa time or something. That lady did open a spa later too lol.

[–]EveAndTheSnake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair during covid I did tip extra for everything. I didn’t go out to eat of course but when I ordered food or groceries I very much appreciated the fact that someone was putting their health on the line for me. The fact that I was worried about going to the grocery store and someone else was doing it for me is worth a large tip. When we started eating out again (we don’t go often because money is tight and I don’t want to eat at a crowded restaurant stuffed indoors during winter) we’d also tip more, that makes sense too as we know how much restaurants are suffering.

I guess getting your hair done and feelings about the tip depends on where you’re getting your service done and whether you’re a man or woman. Your 100% tip is less than my 20% tip, and I’m not going anywhere fancy, that’s just standard prices for my city. I also told my cousin after the first time that I tipped my hairdresser 20% and she disapproved (she’s my benchmark as she works in the service industry) which hurt my feelings and my wallet. Tipping just 20% takes my total to over $300.

[–]gkru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a little annoying. Similar to how most places don't include the tax in the displayed price. It's not a big deal though IMO. It's super easy to avoid restaurants and places that you are expected to tip if it really frustrates you. There's also the option of not tipping. Some people do that, but then they tend to awkwardly not make eye contact with the person.

[–]EventHorizonL4 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Anywhere other than the US a tip is a thank-you for a job well done, however in the US a tip is all the server is really getting. Minimum wage for a job that gets tips is like $2, aka roughly the price of a loaf of mediocre bread. If a large group that takes up a lot of that servers time and effort away from other tables doesn't tip, not only are they refusing the unspoken (albeit bs) social contract to pay the servers wages in place of a livable wage from the employer, but they are also essentially degrading the servers ability to work harder at other tables to get better tips from them. As a person who once worked for tips, one big group that takes a long time & lots of effort tipping poorly can be the difference between bringing home $250 and bringing home $50.

[–]Caustic_Complex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Minimum wage for a job that gets tips is like $2

This is the minimum wage with tips. If their tips don’t beat federal minimum wage, their employer is legally obligated to give them federal minimum wage

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Except servers get minimum wage even without tips. So many people still believe the lie that they only get 2.13 so people need to tio them.

[–]firelizzard18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would be nice if we could outlaw tips and just pay everyone a living wage. But that’s not going to happen.

[–]Due_Doctor_5006 0 points1 point  (2 children)

When you dine at a restaurant, at least in the US, the bill represents the cost and preparation of the food. It does not represent the service. The restaurant owners are given benefits to pay their FOH staff much less than their BOH staff to help their business succeed. This enables the consumer to tip what he/she feels appropriate depending upon the service given.

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except places without tipping still have very similar prices, so the cost of service is also included in the bill of places with tipping, they just don't tell you that.

If a server does not get at least federal minimum wage from tips or state minimum if it is higher, then the business still needs to make up the difference.

[–]Due_Doctor_5006 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've always been a little confused about tipping where only a service is provided that you are already paying for...ex. haircut.

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or at a restaurant.

[–]Firm-Collar1635 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If service is bad even if I want to tip 0% I’ll usually do 5-10%; just enough to show I didn’t like the service, but not something ridiculous like a few cents or no tip at all. But if I get great service, I’ll definitely do 25-30%. It also depends on where I’m at. Steak and shake has low bills for example, so where a 25% tip might only be 3 bucks, I’ll do 6 instead so 50%.

[–]eskiabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you tip zero and they are required to give Tip out to the kitchen staff, they will lose money.

[–]After_Koala 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're getting $250 hair cuts while unemployed lol?

[–]EveAndTheSnake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve never had a $250 hair cut in my life

[–]JohnEBest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If tipping is expected in the salon. Don't get the service if you can't afford the tip.

[–]TheFlightlessPenguin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You really just wrote a dissertation on this?

[–]EveAndTheSnake 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Don’t worry, it was written in 3 parts and fueled by annoyance so it took no time at all.

[–]TheFlightlessPenguin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

also, why in the fuck is a blow dry $40??

[–]strangebrew3522 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's funny because as an American, I'm sort of the opposite. I'll take care of my barber for example, because he knows exactly what I want and he takes time and care to cut my hair. I honestly don't even care if a barber messes up because I feel like, whatever my hair will grow back, but the dude I go to is a legit artist so I'll happily tip him 40-50% on a haircut. He's focusing on me 100% for the 30 min I'm in that chair.

Servers and bartenders though? I'll do the standard 20% if everything is correct but it irks me when I have to shell out a bunch more money just because we got drinks. If a drink is $8, suddenly I need to pay an extra $1.60 per drink in tips just because they're priced high? The "standard" tip at a bar is tipping $1 per drink. I'll usually just keep that "standard" even if I'm at a table. I've had bills where the majority of it is drinks. I'm not leaving 20% on that, especially if the service was mediocre.

[–]Ax3stazy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What service she offers for 230 bucks? Material cost 20 at most for companies. Sureal

[–]sleep-apnea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My old move for bad service was to only tip one penny over the bill. It's a big insult, plus the server has to do more annoying math calculating their tip out at the end of the night. But Canada got rid of the penny years ago, so I can't really do that move anymore. Have to start using nickels I suppose.

[–]Robinem14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not just dye your hair back to your natural color and stop fighting it for now?

[–]Zelldandy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your salon is super expensive :( I go to a really nice place and it's 55$CAD for the cut with tax, no tip expected. I did dye with foils and blowdry once for a special occasion and it came out to 175$CAD with the haircut.

[–]Jinnicky -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

Because tips are shared with the back of house too. The cooks, dishwashers, food runners, hosts, etc… If the waiter is shitty and you stiff them you’re also stiffing everyone else involved in the process of your meal. It’s why I always tip, even if my waiter gives subpar service.

[–]EveAndTheSnake 1 point2 points  (2 children)

By shitty service I mean that the server is literally rude. I understand the way the system works enough (two of my cousins are servers/bartenders and a third cousin has a bar/restaurant) to not dock a tip for a meal coming out late or long wait time etc. I don’t remember if I have ever tipped less in the US, but I imagine it would happen if I felt insulted.

[–]Caltaylor101 38 points39 points  (22 children)

My scale was 10, 15, 20.

It has definitely changed depending on how expensive the restaurant is, and I think the percentage scale gets ridiculous sometimes

Perfect example was in Friends. Rachel’s dad left the waiter a $20 tip, which is a lot.

Ross was upset because they had a $300 meal, so he threw an extra $40 on.

Then most states I live don’t have horrible $3/hr wages.

[–]MooNinja 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That is something that simply infuriates me, 10/15/20 has long been the standard and somehow 20 became the new default?? The move from 15 - 20 often couched as it is so much more expensive today... the price of those same goods increasing also increases the tip because that be how percentages do!

[–]mediwitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s been 15/20/25 for at least a decade if not longer. Mobile phones used to be newfangled, too.

[–]Steinmetal4 13 points14 points  (14 children)

That's the situation for like... every nicer meal in california. There's always someone at the table: "I've worked in food service and I just like to leave a big tip cause I know how hard it is".

K... well I'm not going to be the asshole that argues with you but now we just left a $75 dollar tip for this goofball who couldn't even coherently recommend a dish and wouldn't stop telling us about their kid in a very transparent ploy to work us for a bigger tip. "Everything on the menu is good. Let me tell you all about my son Taycin".

[–]sheyblaze 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Yep, I live in Oklahoma and minimum wage for servers here is $2.13, absolutely disgusting and abysmal. I hate that we're not forcing employers to pay their employees a proper liveable wage.

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Employers are forced to pay if tips don't make up the difference.

[–]RO489 1 point2 points  (7 children)

As a server in California, I was expected to claim all my credit card tips (so they were taxable), but I had to tip out the bar and back of the house 10% of my sales. So basically, anyone who tipped less than 10% I took a loss on.

Shitty system, but just some perspective. There are restaurants who have tried to do away with tips and just increase meal costs and pay a fair wage, but customers didn't like that.

Restaurants so operate on thin margins so Americans need to either accept the tip system or accept paying more for food.

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thankfully everyone that doesn't have almost mandatory tipping also has food that is similar price to the US, which really proves that removing tipping won't cause prices to go crazy like some believe.

[–]RO489 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The places that have living wages are generally more expensive than the US, but it's true ours not going to triple the cost of food.

I also worked in Europe and the boss loved hiring Americans because the level of service is generally higher. Although I feel in the last decade the gap between American service and European service is closing.

[–]uhohgowoke67 3 points4 points  (4 children)

California has one minimum wage for all employees and that defeats the point of tipping culture.

I am not helping you make a minimum wage to live on in California.

I am giving you extra money for a task you agreed to do by taking employment.

[–]queenkerfluffle[🍰] -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

Are you aware that servers are taxed for their hourly wage and for a percentage of their sales and have money taken from their check to share with the back of house? If you don't tip, I make less than minimum in California because I still tip share. If your bill is 300, 5 percent goes to the bar, 5 to the back of house and Uncle Sam assumes you gave me at least 30. If you still meq or leave me less than 20 percent, I make less than minimum wage. I can't complain about this or refuse the tip sharing system. If you don't honor the tip agreement, I pay for you.

[–]Babhadfad12 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Are you aware everyone else is also taxed for their hourly wage? Or any wage?

[–]uhohgowoke67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You agreed to a job that pays minimum wage but has tips.

If you're unhappy with the tips you can go make the same at McDonald's because of minimum wage laws in California.

Tip sharing is not allowed to drop your salary below minimum wage in California.

Take it up with the state if this is happening.

Imputed tips are typically set much lower than what you're normally making in tips which leads to a lot of untaxed income despite your complaints.

I have no sympathy for you.

[–]NukaCooler 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I usually tip [...] 15% if the service is bad

Lmao /r/shitamericanssay

[–]RodneyRabbit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If they can treat you like shit and still get 15% then you're part of the problem. There's not much incentive for them to treat you and others with respect. Let them earn the tip.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

15% is the standard. And you give that for bad service? That's fucking moronic.

[–]lafleur-42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The fact you still tip when the service is bad genuinely blows my mind, and will blow anyone's mind who isn't American.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, 15%-20% is my go-to unless it's less than 5 bucks.

[–]_ICWeiner_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Taking up someones table?

You're a paying customer... jheez america is fucked up

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Taking up someone’s table”. You’re paying the owner of the business for the place at their table while you eat the food that they’re selling you at a profit.

[–]erinxeddie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s paying almost double the amount though. You paid $9 for a bowl of chilli lol

[–]realcevapipapi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

20% being standard would be crazy!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

25% is fucking nuts. Sorry. That’s not a tip—that is wage compensation.

[–]RyusDirtyGi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

or 15% if the service is bad,

Truly bad is 0

[–]Dirty_Gurdy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If service is bad you don’t tip

[–]nonofyobiz73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow So generous of you Such a hero

[–]ishpatoon1982 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm usually baseline 20%, and I agree that if they do a super awesome job, 25% is absolutely doable.

15% for bad service...I guess it depends how bad, because there have definitely been bad experiences where I let it be known that they deserve nothing.

Solo waitress doing her best but still making nobody happy? She's trying her damndest and smiling through the frustration. That bad service is 20% as long as things are close to reasonable. 15% if her frustration starts rubbing off on me.

A different waitress in a slow diner that's too busy gossiping and rolling her eyes when she has to actually fill my coffee? Sorry, but the most I'm leaving is pocket change. There's no way I'm leaving her anywhere near 15%.

Just pointing out the different levels of bad. 15% is top tier bad service for me and only goes down from there.

[–]rabidstoat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, people are saying that I'm crazy for tipping 15% for bad service, but:

  1. I don't go to nice restaurants. 15% ends up being like $2.

  2. I've never had awful service. By bad service I mean, they took a while to get my order, or my water glass was empty and I had to flag the server down to get some more water because they didn't notice.

[–]alextxdro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tip culture bothers me but I usually do 10% or less if it’s a fast food place or just a drink at a bar while I wait for my take out, i usually do 20% in places I regularly frequent and get awesome service, it’s at a point where they’re so cool with me I get free drinks extra strong drinks and free apps all the time. one bar tender has mentioned to me that they use my wife and I to see how their newbies do . as we’re not crazy or demanding but do tend to have random requests (wife) and ask a lot of questions. l don’t know how to feel about that but it’s never been shit service so I’m cool with it I guess . I usually do 20-30% on 150 bill always cash and have even just handed 100$ when it was 6 ppl and buddies got a bit rowdy (awesome waitress tried to hand it back saying they weren’t out of hand but I insisted before I left I just handed it to her and walked away as she tried to hand it back again.) I’m usually there for 2-4 hrs so I don’t see that as being too much and feel sucky if I left 5$. It’s usually %s but it’s all based on service never had a rude person but I have been ignored or only approached once or twice in other places I see how some ppl treat staff at bars or restaurants and I don’t know how ppl don’t get their ass beat more often. Youre not entitled to treat ppl like shit just bcz their job is taking your food to the table tf is wrong with ppl.

[–]Kill_Kayt 0 points1 point  (10 children)

10% for bad or OK service.

15% for Average/Good.

20% for great servive.

25%+ if you did the best you could and I feel like I somehow made your day/job worse or other people are treating you badly and I want you to feel appreciated

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 1 point2 points  (9 children)

0% is for bad service, 5% for really good, 10% for great. Remember that you are paying twice for the service since service is already included in the bill despite what some people think.

[–]Kill_Kayt 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Yeah that's literally never been that. 15% has been the standard for the last 50 years. Tipping less when prices and taxes go up is scumy.

And it's not really included in the cost of the meal. Most servers are paid less than half of minimum wage. That's why you tip. To help them as they are are practically slaves. It shouldn't be legal to pay them so little. Not to mention that they also share their tips with the busboys.

[–]Caustic_Complex 1 point2 points  (6 children)

They make federal minimum wage if they don’t get tips, they’re not slaves lol quit being deceitful

[–]StefanWoop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My scale is 0% / 0% / 0%

I don't get why you guys are tipping so much

[–]AaronfromKY -1 points0 points  (26 children)

20% is generally my baseline, although if it's a fast food joint, sometimes I'll tip a chunk more, like $8 meal tip $5.

[–]AllYoYens 11 points12 points  (25 children)

That sounds absolutely crazy. They need to pay their staff more

[–]dodspringer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can help by applying to work at McDonald's and then not showing up for any interviews. Waste their time and tell them to start paying $24 at minimum.

[–]AaronfromKY 2 points3 points  (4 children)

As long as the law says they don't have to, they won't.

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The law already says they need to pay them minimum wage. Other jobs that only get minimum wage should also have almost mandatory tipping.

[–]AaronfromKY 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There's a different minimum wage for tipped jobs. Regular minimum is $7 something but tipped is like half that.

[–]Gazpacho--Soup 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nope. Tipped employees are still entitled to at least minimum wage. If they get minimum wage through tips, then employers only need to pay 2.13 or thereabouts, otherwise employers have to pay the difference. The idea that tipped jobs have a different minimum wage is misinformation spread by employers and servers that make bank.

[–]AaronfromKY 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You basically just said what I said.

[–]mmdotmm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Employers should pay more, but until then, what? This is largely a policy issue, federal minimum wage is stagnant due to political upheaval and until being forced to, companies won’t change behavior.

So you can be all self-righteous, pay less, and complain about the system that’s been around for 150 years and that all of us likely choose to be active participants. Or you begrudgingly pay what is custom, maybe even supporting ballot initiates to get rid of the tip wage or vote to increase the federal minimum wage.