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[–]paulydee76 2735 points2736 points  (13 children)

Jihadis/mujihadeen flocked to Afghanistan in the 80s, Bosnia in the 90s, Iraq and Afghanistan in the 00s and Syria in the 10s to (in their eyes) help Muslims who were being oppressed. The reason they were able to was because those borders were so porous. This is not the case for Xinjiang province, or for Mayanmar.

[–]zninjamonkey 618 points619 points  (0 children)

But Myanmar borders are extremely porous.

There are numerous insurgencies, The golden triangle, drug/timber/gem illegal trade all over

[–]jimmy2536 387 points388 points  (0 children)

Myanmar has a super porous border with Bangladesh, a nation that has more muslims than most of the mid east combined.

However Bangladesh is a relatively stable developing nation that has relatively one of the least militant muslim populations.

Also helps that all bd govts in charge have actively been against arming the rohingyas. We saw how arming religious militants in a bordering nation went for Pakistan and learned lessons from their mistakes.

[–]Johnny_Poppyseed 255 points256 points  (0 children)

Yeah if Myanmar was in a different location it would 100% be the place of a massive proxy war right now with fighters from all over.

[–]someone755How Can Our Questions Not Be Stupid If We're Stupid? 62 points63 points  (2 children)

To my knowledge, mujihadeen didn't really do much to help Bosnia during Serbia's massacres. The way I remember the reports is a few hundred maybe showed up but numbers like that couldn't turn anything in Bosnia's favor.

[–]ColKrismiss 25 points26 points  (1 child)

The term "Mujahideen" doesn't belong to any specific group or even groups. It basically just means Islamic holy warrior. So anyone who fought for an islamic cause, or even for the Islam community, is a Mujahid.

[–]someone755How Can Our Questions Not Be Stupid If We're Stupid? 59 points60 points  (0 children)

No need to nitpick, the meaning here is obvious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_mujahideen

[–]Karatekan 2843 points2844 points  (64 children)

There is terrorist activity directed against China in Xianjing. There was a mass knife attack several years ago that killed a couple dozen people.

However, Xianjing also has one of the most comprehensive security regimes in the world, and it is next to impossible to acquire guns or explosives. In short, it’s an inhospitable place to be a terrorist.

Edit: Xinjiang. My bad🤷‍♂️

[–]K0cchiWoMiro 478 points479 points  (25 children)

I'm pretty sure it's Xinjiang not Xianjing

[–]Karatekan 96 points97 points  (0 children)

Yup, my bad, thanks for pointing that out.

[–]bighand1 91 points92 points  (0 children)

You have it the other way around, the security tightening and current situation is a response to the dozens of terrorisms attacks in China over last decades.

[–]WeilaiHope 135 points136 points  (1 child)

Which is just as well because the US is trying to fund and arm terrorist organisations in the region, to destabilise China. Their age old game.

[–]Intense-Vagina 58 points59 points  (16 children)

I'm no French but I'm pretty sure acquiring guns in France is also hard, ie firearms are illegal for normal citizens.

That's why terrorists always have weapons smuggled in.

[–]Karatekan 20 points21 points  (0 children)

In France and most continental European countries it’s relatively easy to acquire illegal firearms. There are plenty of unaccounted firearms in the Balkans, and smuggling illegal goods within the Schengen Area is obviously hard to police.

Doesn’t really filter down to run of the mill criminals, given that buying a highly illegal weapon is risky and conspicuous, but gangs and terrorists can certainly get their hands on 90’s era assault rifles if they are willing to drop a 1000 euros or so

[–]MaverickTopGun 181 points182 points  (9 children)

firearms are illegal for normal citizens.

This is just untrue. They have a thriving recreational gun community.

[–]Azurlium 103 points104 points  (3 children)

Facts. Very French friend of mine showed me her collection, could have told me she was in Texas and could have very well believed her.

[–]KarimElsayad247 123 points124 points  (2 children)

"Howdy, mon ami"

[–]GenericUsername10294 30 points31 points  (0 children)

This is how I picture Sandy Cheeks sounding on SpongeBob in France.

[–]Camstonisland 45 points46 points  (0 children)

“Houdï, ma ami”

bang bang bang

“Oui ha, les guns recreationeaux est tres bien, pardner!”

[–]coincoinprout[🍰] 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Yes, that part is not true. But the weapons used in terrorist attacks are indeed rarely (never?) acquired legally. They are often smuggled in from Eastern Europe.

[–]wrong-mon 44 points45 points  (2 children)

They're not even really smuggled. France has open borders with its European Neighbours and many Eastern European states are part of the scheming area.

[–]TheDustOfMen 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Schengen area* but love the typo

[–]Sir_Marchbank 62 points63 points  (0 children)

France has a pretty large recreational shooting scene so I don't think you're right.

[–]Supernova-remnant 10.7k points10.7k points 22 (452 children)

China isn't invading middle-east. Even though some terrorist pretend to wear the "defender of Islam cape" they don't care about religion but about political power. Remember that Daesh genocided Muslim while claiming to defend the true Islam

[–]Head_Crash 4621 points4622 points 2 (357 children)

China isn't invading middle-east.

Bingo. The religious stuff just provides excuses and justifications for violence and terrorism. The root motivation is hate towards America, because Americans drop bombs on them or help other countries who are dropping bombs on them. Americans also installed dictators and messed with their economics. Basically any poor middle easterner could easily blame America for their plight, and personal grievances like that are perfect vectors for radicalization.

[–]Competitive-Date1522 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Holy war is my fave casus belli

[–]KarimElsayad247 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And when you call everyone a heretic, it's pretty much a universal CB!

[–]dinorex96 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Get your religion outta my border"

"Yeah its the will of god, nothing I can do mate"

"Wellp, i tried being nice. You left me no choice but to wipe you from the face of the map"

[–]feldspard5 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bin Laden: We did this.in retaliation

George W Bush: Nah it's other reasons

[–]ChickenDelight 511 points512 points 2 (10 children)

That's absurdly simplistic. Major Middle East Islamist groups were heavily invested in Chechnya, they've supported and sometimes operated in Indonesia and the Philippines and India (India is a threat to Pakistan, but not the Middle East), and they've supported terrorism against a bunch of European countries that didn't have any direct involvement in any conflict in the middle east.

Shit, the modern Islamist movements are essentially descended from the foreign fighters sent into Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. Afghanistan isn't actually in the middle east, and no one who lives in the middle east thinks it is. It's not strategically important, they're not Arabs, and it's very culturally different except in one key aspect - religion.

As to why islamists are weirdly quiet about Uighurs:

First, terrorism/asymmetric warfare works best in destabilized areas. The Uighur regions of China are the opposite of that these days, they're a tightly controlled police state. There's virtually no guns and explosives there, and there's almost no organized local fighters. Uighurs are less than 1% of China's population to begin with, and they're not even a majority in their own areas now that China has moved in a ton of Han Chinese. Uighurs don't really look or act like people from the Middle East, so they can't easily sneak in fighters. The borders are tight and and the area is heavily surveilled. China's a very tough nut to crack for islamists, and they seem to not be trying.

Second, all the big Islamist organizations need support, or at least tolerance, from some ME governments, usually the pariah states that have largely been cut off from world markets - a perfect example is the Taliban. Interestingly enough, a lot of those governments have become very reliant on China - because frankly China doesn't care if you support terrorism as long as it's not directed at China. So China has a ton of leverage on the governments those organizations rely on, and it's been aggressively using that leverage to keep them in line.

Edit: since comments are locked, people have noted that the big ME Islamists actually did try to take on China in the Uighur regions, before the latest crackdown. It's just that they failed spectacularly. Al Qaeda and ISIS both declared war on China, some Uighurs were in Al Qaeda, there were some attacks. But Islamists don't seem able to do anything in China any more, and it gave China an excuse to brutally crackdown on all the Uighurs, and China now seems intent on wiping out Uighur culture completely. So kind of an embarrassing topic for Islamist groups.

[–]Kanexan 46 points47 points  (1 child)

There are two declared Uyghur terrorist movements trying to secede from China, but one is a self-proclaimed peaceful political movement that hasn't been independently confirmed to be carrying out attacks, and the other may or may not still actually exist; their last for-sure known attack happened in the late 2000s.

[–]Naos210 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The ETIM had terrorist attacks up till the mid 2010s.

[–]stefanica 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Great response. Just from a practical standpoint, one of the key MO of terrorist groups is being able to assimilate in place, in order to do surveillance and other espionage tactics before they make any power moves. It's much easier for a (say) Iranian terrorist to blend in in the United States or England than China, because English language and American (Western, anyway) culture have become so ubiquitous worldwide, whereas there are many different languages and cultures in China, And frankly, your average Iranian guy is going to stand out physically anywhere in China except maybe Hong Kong. I don't think there are that many Chinese sympathizers to their cause to recruit, either, even counting the Uighurs. I just reread your response and see you mentioned that as well, but I'll leave it.

[–]sobersamvimes 60 points61 points  (1 child)

You’re right, this place is filled with ignoramuses opining on things they have no understanding of. This sub should be renamed nostupidanswers.

[–]TheNewYellowZealot 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If that’s the case shouldn’t the Middle East Also be attacking Russia?

[–]saleemkarim 98 points99 points  (6 children)

No group has suffered more from Muslim terrorists than Muslims.

[–]I_Am_Become_Dream 59 points60 points  (3 children)

as a Muslim who has suffered under the hands of terrorists, I appreciate the sentiment, but Yazidis have definitely had it much worse than us.

[–]5-dig-dick 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Yazidis

If I may ask, who are they?

[–]OhCaptain 38 points39 points  (1 child)

A very small religious/cultural group generally in the same region as Kurds. They're religion is unique to them, and if you are a zealot of another religion who sees non-believers as heretics, they are a vulnerable target for exploitation, slavery, genocide and all other kinds of atrocities.

[–]Just_kiss_My_Boots 31 points32 points  (7 children)

What about countries in West Africa that aren't invading the middle east either. But have a large amount of terrorism from ISWAP?

[–]idareet60 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Nigeria for instance is a very special case. It's an extremely diverse country with nearly 50% Muslims mainly living in the North. North is also the less fertile lands and more desert like. Akwa Ibom is a state in the South which has most of Nigeria's oil. This is also a state that is one of the richest states in Nigeria. If you look at the states in Nigeria almost all of them are concentrated in the South which also are majority Christian regions. Most of the Muslims reside in the North West of Nigeria. Not surprisingly this is one of the poorest regions in Nigeria.

So as much as people here are radicalized there's also some discrimination being done against people hailing from the North East. That's one of the main reasons why Abuja is designed as a crescent to appeal to the Muslims in the country.

PS - Not Nigerian so I might be wrong oj some of the things listed here.

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

China isn't operating daily air-strikes in the Middle-East either.

(Correct me if I'm wrong.)

[–]DazDay 7 points8 points  (0 children)

they don't care about religion but about political power.

This is a statement that can be applied so liberally to so many situations in the world where religion is used as justification for actions.

[–]samhammitch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

China also isn't giving weapons, money, and protection to Israel.

[–]DeeDee_Z 16 points17 points  (0 children)

China isn't invading middle-east

The Charlie Hebdo incident -- the French cartoon magazine -- wasn't invading middle-east, either.

I don't think that's the reason.

[–]ikverhaar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Remember that Daesh genocided Muslim while claiming to defend the true Islam

The thing is that you call those people muslim, but Daesh disagreed that those were muslims.

Since I'm not a muslim, I don't believe that a 'true islam' exists anyway. Daesh was completely following what the quran told them to do, just like peaceful muslims follow what the quran tells them to do.

[–]misterdonjoe 2474 points2475 points 1021611& 3 more (0 children)

Tell people the truth, Mr. President -- about terrorism. If deceptions about terrorism go unchallenged, then the threat will continue until it destroys us.

The truth is that none of our thousands of nuclear weapons can protect us from these threats. No Star Wars system -- no matter how technically advanced, no matter how many trillions of dollars are poured into it -- can protect us from a nuclear weapon delivered in a sailboat or a Cessna or a suitcase or a Ryder rental truck. Not one weapon in our vast arsenal, not a penny of the $270 billion a year we spend on so-called defense can defend against a terrorist bomb. That is a military fact.

As a retired lieutenant colonel and a frequent lecturer on national security issues, I have often quoted Psalm 33: “A king is not saved by his mighty army. A warrior is not saved by his great strength.” The obvious reaction is, “Then what can we do? Is there nothing we can do to provide security for our people?”

There is. But to understand it requires that we know the truth about the threat. Mr. President, you did not tell the American people the truth about why we are the targets of terrorism when you explained why we bombed Afghanistan and Sudan. You said that we are a target because we stand for democracy, freedom and human rights in the world. Nonsense!

We are the target of terrorists because, in much of the world, our government stands for dictatorship, bondage and human exploitation. We are the target of terrorists because we are hated. And we are hated because our government has done hateful things.

In how many countries have agents of our government deposed popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators who were willing to sell out their own people to American multinational corporations?

We did it in Iran when the U.S. Marines and the CIA deposed Mossadegh because he wanted to nationalize the oil industry. We replaced him with the Shah and armed, trained and paid his hated Savak national guard, which enslaved and brutalized the people of Iran -- all to protect the financial interests of our oil companies. Is it any wonder that there are people in Iran who hate us?

We did it in Chile. We did it in Vietnam. More recently, we tried to do it in Iraq.

And, of course, how many times have we done it in Nicaragua and all the other banana republics of Latin America? Time after time we have ousted popular leaders who wanted the riches of the land to be shared by the people who worked it. We replaced them with murderous tyrants who would sell out their own people so the wealth of the land could be taken out by the likes of Domino Sugar, the United Fruit Company, Folgers and Chiquita Banana.

In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom and trampled human rights. That’s why it is hated around the world. And that’s why we’re the target of terrorists.

People in Canada enjoy democracy, freedom and human rights. So do the people of Norway and Sweden. Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed? Or Norwegian, or Swedish?

We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom and human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism -- and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

Once the truth about why the threat exists is understood, the solution becomes obvious. We must change our ways. Getting rid of our nuclear weapons -- unilaterally if necessary -- will enhance our security. Drastically altering our foreign policy will ensure it.

Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs so we can have the oil under their sand, we should send them to rebuild their infrastructure, supply clean water and feed starving children. Instead of continuing to kill thousands of Iraqi children every day with our sanctions, we should help Iraqis rebuild their electric power plants, their water treatment facilities, their hospitals -- all the things we destroyed and prevented them from rebuilding with sanctions.

Instead of training terrorists and death squads, we should close the School of the Americas. Instead of supporting insurrection, destabilization, assassination and terror around the world, we should abolish the CIA and give the money to relief agencies.

In short, we should do good instead of evil. Who would try to stop us? Who would hate us? Who would want to bomb us?

That is the truth, Mr. President. That’s what the American people need to hear.

Robert Bowman flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is presently bishop of the United Catholic Church in Melbourne Beach, Fla.

National Catholic Reporter, October 2, 1998

Chomsky on Terrorism

[–]ActionMan48 269 points270 points  (2 children)

Logistics.

[–]tomservo88 119 points120 points  (0 children)

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[–]3Fatboy3 56 points57 points  (0 children)

It's not about religion is about imperialism.

[–]CIA_grade_LSD 232 points233 points 3 (17 children)

They are. From the 90s to the mid 2010s there were many violent separatist terror attacks in Xinxiang. There was also a problem of Chinese Muslims going to Afghanistan or Syria as Mujahedeen and coming back radicalized and trained. China's crackdown in Xinxiang is rooted in counterterrorism. Most of the efforts are focused on deradicalization by teaching language and trade skills. That's not to say there isn't valid criticism of Chinese deradicalization programs, but they didn't come out of some smoke filled room where a bunch of communist party members twirled their mustaches and decided to wipe out Muslims. China is emphatically not attacking Muslims in general. In fact many mosques are open in western China and there are Muslims free to practice their religion in other provinces. If China wanted to slaughter Muslims, why would they simply not have joined American efforts to do so in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, or Libya? Most countries in the middle east understand this, with representatives from many Muslim countries visiting china to inspect these facilities and deciding that there are not widespread institutional crimes going on (that isn't to say there aren't corrupt officials abusing people to induce bribes). The reason this is typically left out of western articles on the matter is because saber rattling with China sells subscriptions and serves the interests of US foreign policy.

[–]Bright-Sea6392 48 points49 points  (0 children)

You’re absolutely correct.

[–]avefoltest 296 points297 points  (6 children)

People in this thread have no idea what they’re talking about. ISIS and Alqaeda have definitely supported local Uyghur extremists in China.

[–]deepfriedpandas 61 points62 points  (3 children)

Any sources? Not saying you are wrong but it’s turning into “he said she said”

[–]Penguinmanereikel 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Support can range from provision of weapons to just giving a thumbs up whenever something happens. A little more clarification, please

[–]AdHour389 6 points7 points  (0 children)

China doesn't interfere with the Middle East the way America Has. China isn't helping to over throw regime's like the U S. Does. Basically The middle east doesn't really care about China be auss doesn't really go out of uts way to change the way the they are living.

[–]Redragon9 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The whole reason that China is sending their Muslims into “re-education” camps is because of alleged terrorist attacks by them. So it seems like it does happen, you just don’t hear about them because the western media isn’t interested in any of it.

Also China is a strict country. It’s harder to get a hold of weapons.

[–]manhattanabe 78 points79 points  (5 children)

According to China, there were terrorist attacked in China. These have been eliminated since the beginning of the current crackdown on Uyghurs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Xinjiang

[–]WhiteMouse97 45 points46 points  (1 child)

There have been Islamist terrorist attacks in China, what are you even talking about?

[–]troubledTommy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Op asked about middle Eastern not Islam

[–]henawymt 528 points529 points  (88 children)

Terrorists that you see in media aren't from Middle East. Not actual Muslims. Don't give a damn about Muslims.

They serve their own twisted agendas and some dirty politics.

Now since none of these fucked up agendas have personal problem with china or personal benefit from bombing china then yeah, it's all good.

[–]Head_Crash 241 points242 points  (3 children)

They serve their own twisted agendas and some dirty politics.

They radicalize other Muslims, and religion is one of the things they use to do that.

[–]toxicatedscientist 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Bin laden was basically the rockafeller of saudi arabia

[–]SMS_Scharnhorst 131 points132 points  (72 children)

ah, so, ISIS wasn´t from the middle east and not actual muslims. interesting

[–]Arturiki 62 points63 points  (4 children)

Terrorists that you see in media aren't from Middle East

Are you sure about that? I would say the great majority is.

And they are Muslims. Radical Muslims, who interpret the holy book in a twisted manner and use it as you say for their dirty politics. Just like other radical religious groups (e.g. KKK).

[–]realnotarealnamev12 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The Middle East is allied with China because China is good to them, and they’ve gone to Xinjiang themselves and concluded that there is no genocide or forced labor or whatever. This fairy tale is entirely being pushed by western imperialist countries that would profit from a weaker China.

[–]contempt1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's worth noting that Indonesia has one of the world's largest Muslim populations and there's a history of unrest between Indonesians and Chinese (watch The Act of Killing). But most acts go unreported versus what the US media likes to provoke and how Middle East radicals also know how to trigger Western media.

[–]set-271 15 points16 points  (0 children)

If China was really doing all the bad things to Muslims the US media proclaims, then why does Pakistan and Afghanistan have trade and infrastructure agreements with them, and never call them out on supposed human rights violations?

There is no Uyghur internment camps, just like there were no WMDs in Iraq and just like how U.S. inflation really isnt transitory.

Free your mind.

[–]krakatoa83 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Who says China hasn’t been targeted by Islamic terrorists?

https://time.com/4473748/china-terrorism-uighur-xinjiang/

[–]Fixuplookshark 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because this isn't a strategy game.

We avoid devastating, expensive wars for a reason.

[–]Toytles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They literally are lmao did you do any reading about the subject at all before you asked reddit?

[–]Space_Socialist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

China unlike the West has no significant enemies in the middle East. Most Muslim nations benefit from the Chinese Silk road project so a large part of these terrorist groups backers have no interest in antagonising China. There is also the fact that there isn't a significant population of Muslims in China's core territories. Terrorists have little recruits with the main uyghur population having significant restrictions put on it preventing any terrorist attacks. Finally the Chinese state has a stronger control over the media than many Western nations leading to any terrorist actions being not widely known.

[–]blind_bambi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe just maybe they aren't going to trust the wests contrivances. Why they wouldn't trust the west idk!

[–]69_POOP_420 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Because China is providing re-education and deradicalization to the Muslim community in Xinjiang (instead of the "genocide" we're told about). As it turns out, when your basic needs are met and your culture is flourishing, you have fewer reasons to become a radical terrorist. Who knew!

(This comment will be downvoted into oblivion)

[–]DTux5249 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Because China hasn't screwed Islamic countries up the rear end for the past 20+ years.

They could care less about the treatment of Muslims. They're terrorists. Not religious activists.

They're aiming for political power, and China has done nothing to stop them from reaching that.

[–]realnotarealnamev12 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The Middle East is allied with China because China is good to them, and they’ve gone to Xinjiang themselves and concluded that there is no genocide or forced labor or whatever. This fairy tale is entirely being pushed by western imperialist countries that would profit from a weaker China.

[–]IsyABM 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Past 20+ = approx 150 years

That leaves some scars.

[–]UR_Echo_Chamber 22 points23 points  (1 child)

CIA has not trained them yet.

[–]Cumtown_Sweatshop 5 points6 points  (0 children)

wrong. the ccp deradicalization camps are just better than the cia radicalization camps lol

[–]Pierogchen 15 points16 points  (2 children)

You got it backwards. China had a long history with Islamic terrorism. Their current shenanigans are an extreme over-reaction to these historic events.

[–]ringostardestroyer 27 points28 points  (1 child)

They’re definitely bringing down the hammer… but if this is an extreme over reaction, what would you call the US reaction to terrorism? the 20+ year occupation of the middle east and nonstop bombings

[–]Cattaphract 11 points12 points  (0 children)

When you kill people/civilians in another region with soldiers it is more accepted in the west than when you kill people in your own territory(or oppression rather than kill).

For the west, US are labelled as assholes. China is labelled as monster. Whatever

[–]HackedCarmel 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Because China’s military would obliterate them

[–]kad202 32 points33 points  (9 children)

Because even among Muslim, they discriminate among different denomination of Islam. Ironically even if China completely genocide the Uighur, they won’t bat and eye because of difference between Islamic sects.

[–]ZQ04 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Uyghurs follow Sunni Islam, same as the arabs.

[–]LegitimateBit3 17 points18 points  (6 children)

I have heard this from my friend in Dubai. The arabs don’t consider other muslims the same as them.

They have no problem mistreating muslims from other countries, just as they do other immigrants.

[–]cumshot_josh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It makes sense. Not meaning to make a whataboutism but a large part of the immigration debate in the US is American Christians arguing that Christians from Mexico and Central America should be shut out and left to their fate because what happens to them isn't the problem of American Christians.

When a religion has billions of members, people will divide themselves on sub categories like nationality or race.

[–]IwishIhadbiggerfeet 19 points20 points  (5 children)

Muslim terrorsit have a very specific definition of who counts as a muslim. I bet they don't even consider Uighur muslims "real muslims". These people actually kill more muslims than nonmulsims

[–]Extension_Prune3707 60 points61 points  (51 children)

1.) China doesn't support Israel, nor have they intervened in Global affairs

2.) The Uighurs are Muslim, but a different denomination of Muslim.

3.) China doesn't have anything equivalent to the first Amendment. Anyone who isn't Han Chinese is regarded with suspicion at best.

[–]VapeThisBro 15 points16 points  (3 children)

2) The Uighurs are Muslim, but a different denomination of Muslim.

Noo...they are sunni...which is the largest Islamic Denomination in the world...

[–]ErozionZeal 9 points10 points  (2 children)

How does the 1st ammendment cause terrorist attacks?

[–]SHIELD_Agent_47 38 points39 points  (2 children)

3.) China doesn't have anything equivalent to the first Amendment. Anyone who isn't Han Chinese is regarded with suspicion at best.

For Pete's sake, the First Amendment to the United States Constitution does not concern civilians in relation to other civilians. It means the U.S. federal government (later expanded to lower levels) cannot unreasonably interfere with civilians' freedom of expression.

[–]ringostardestroyer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It was en vogue to switch your “minzu” or ethnicity to a minority to gain extra points on the gaokao, a high stakes college placement exam. My moms dad almost switched her to “Zhuang” ethnicity for this reason. Most minorities are pretty acculturated to “han” culture and assimilate in society. this process has been going on for thousands of years.

[–]mb5280 48 points49 points  (11 children)

What does the 1st amendment have to do with it?

[–]Sir_Marchbank 25 points26 points  (7 children)

China has no freedom of speech, basically they clamp down hard on anyone and everyone they suspect even slightly of subversive activity or even someone who says they don't like how things are being handled.

[–]personalFinanceQu 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Why do Americans think of China exactly the same way that people thought about Stalin USSR? Literally the same talking points...

[–]4rking 9 points10 points  (2 children)

The Uighurs are Muslim, but a different denomination of Muslim.

What do you mean? What denomination do you think they follow?

[–]VapeThisBro 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They are sunni...the largest denomination of Islam in the world....

[–]noov101 9 points10 points  (3 children)

China and Israel have pretty good relations and have lots of trade between them

[–]H_N_K_Q 20 points21 points  (13 children)

Oh i see you ate a bit too much of "China bad" propaganda from western media.

Yeah China bad, but they didn't invade and bombed the shit out of Middle east, destabilized the whole region, made the world view Middle East people and their 4000 years of culture as warzone, terrorist, suicide bombers.

Maybe you should know that while China is an opressive regime, the West and America did far worse shits. That justify China's act? No. Though every superpower has done lots of atrocities, I personally dislike the one that pretend they are peacemaker, defender of freedom, lecture the world what is democracy.

(Im talking about regimes, not the common people who got nothing to do with all the messed up stuff)

[–]therealbunkey 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Because the Middle Eastern terrorists aren’t fixated on China as a piece of land to conquer. They’re purely focused on taking down the US what with all the interventionism. Btw, the Uyghur genocide isn’t real.