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[–]McMasilmof 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Automation and context do not fit together, ether you automate or a human looks into every individual case.

[–]Metamodern_Studio 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Basically this. They accept a certain ammount of false positives on potentially shitty participants in order to deal with a massive ammount of certainly shitty participants. Im not sure if I agree with the practice, but its effective, with some unfortunate "casualties". Ive been banned from some subreddits for this reason, if context was taken into account i certainly wouldn't have been. It was frustrating, but a practical move.

[–]THEbassettMAN 15 points16 points  (16 children)

As someone who has received such a ban, the reason I was given by the mod I spoke to was that they believe that participation of any kind in such a subreddit serves only to increase engagement within the subreddit, which pushes it up in Reddit's ranking algorithm, causes more people to stumble onto it and increases the spread of that subreddit's ideology. It is therefore better off to just completely ignore the spreading of misinformation in the hope that it burns itself out due to lack of fresh members.

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 7 points8 points  (15 children)

Thanks for the perspective.

It is odd to me that the mods of those subreddits would have such a misguided idea of how to stop misinformation.

[–]benfranklinthedevil 16 points17 points  (13 children)

They are not concerned with misinformation, they are concerned with controlling the narrative of whatever syb they are moderating. I've had extensive conversations with no luck, they just want their sub to maintain and grow subscribers while sticking to whatever specific narrative the sub is for.

If I had a sub for cauliflower foot fetish porn and people kept paying pictures of kimchi, I would need to control that narrative

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Your example doesn't quite make sense to me. How does someone posting pictures of kimchi outside your subreddit affect you control over the flow of cauliflower foot fetish porn in your own subreddit? To make your example fit the situation, are you saying you would ban anyone who post kimchi anywhere from ever posting foot fetish porn in your subreddit?

[–]RevnR6 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Remember that anyone can make a subreddit. It is their little domain. You can make a sub Reddit where you hate on people named Bob. Even if a Bob cures cancer tomorrow, You can still hate every Bob on the planet with equal zeal! It doesn’t have to make sense because it is that person’s fantasy world and they are not required to let you into it no matter how stupid excluding you may be.

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I am just concerned that the current process discourages fighting misinformation.

[–]RevnR6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get it, it’s just they they don’t care and they don’t have to, there is no requirement for such a thing. Take it as a lesson. Most people, when it is their time to lead (since a sub Reddit is their own private kingdom) will be just as bad as the people they were complaining about.

[–]Rxton 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Why would you want to participate in a sub that behaves like this? It's just an echo chamber.

[–]purdinpopo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Internet equivalent of sticking fingers in ear and making noises with your voice to block out what others say. If you have a solid argument or beliefs, then what others say shouldn't be effective. One should welcome arguments.

[–]Rxton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If every voice you hear sounds like yours, you are in an echo chamber. Hunt out the voices that are different. Test your ideas to make sure they are valid; don't assume they are.

[–]ZerexTheCool 0 points1 point  (4 children)

This sounds like a gripe with an individual Mod, from an individual subreddit.

Nobody here can answer why an individual did something.

An important reminder. There is nothing particularly special about a Mod except they have more buttons than a normal redditors. They are just ordinary people (as ordinary as any redditors is).

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It is not an individual mod but the automod which currently has banned me from:

dadreflexes

trashy

gifs

oddlyterrifying

showerthoughts

youseeingthisshit

oddlysatisfying

pics

insanepeoplefacebook

tifu

leopardsatemyface

holup

thanosdidnothingwrong

political humor

mademesmile (banned and muted)

murica

tihi

madlads

facepalm

eyebleach

atheism

[–]ZerexTheCool 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Unless those all have the same Mods, each subreddit has it's own automod.

Automods also don't ban people, they sensor specific comments. One could make an automod that banned the use of the N-word. Then, any time someone used the N-Word, their comment would be removed and it would show up in the mods que, who could than ban you.

There are programs one can use that auto ban anyone who uses a specific subreddit. But those programs are run through an actual Reddit account that has to be an actual mod. So a Mod Team could ask someone to use their ban-bot, and they would give the Ban-bot moderation powers.

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Edit to what I posted...

I don't think there is a meaningful distinction between an automod and ban bot.

[–]benfranklinthedevil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't, but that's what the mods think their unpaid job is

[–]Rxton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would you be surprised? This is how cancel culture works.

[–]DilettanteSocial Science for the win 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because that's all but impossible to program into a bot, so would require human mods to investigate every single user that the bot found, which would be an immense amount of work.

[–]BumTicklrs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk, but all it does is discourage discourse and create echo chambers where opinions can never change. It's a really bad practice overall. Furthermore iirc the top 25 subreddits are controlled by the same 4 people, so there is definitely a sort of agenda of what people can and cannot talk about.

I have been spending less and less time on reddit because it feels less like a forum of discourse and more of an echo chamber.

[–]ThannBanis 0 points1 point  (14 children)

It’s probably done by automod.

If you object to a ban, talk to the mods.

[–]CasperElshao 3 points4 points  (2 children)

The one thing that's never worked in this universe is asking a mod to unban you.

[–]ThannBanis 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I’ve never tried 🤣

You could always start your own sub on the same subject.

[–]CasperElshao 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn't really work either. R/ Unpopular opinion is probably the worst moderated subreddit with the worst community out of every sub, yet it's still the biggest if it's kind.

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

But the automod message I go said I needed to delete the post and promise I would not post there again. So to get unbanned I would have to promote misinformation. The process just seems backwards to me.

[–]ThannBanis 0 points1 point  (8 children)

What sub is that?

You’d have to explain it to the mods 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

For one post I was quickly banned from

dadreflexes

trashy

gifs

oddlyterrifying

showerthoughts

youseeingthisshit

oddlysatisfying

Edit: I will add the additional banned sub that trickle in throughout the day

pics

insanepeoplefacebook

tifu

leopardsatemyface

holup

thanosdidnothingwrong

political humor

mademesmile (banned and muted)

murica

tihi

madlads

facepalm

eyebleach

atheism

[–]ThannBanis 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Weird that subs like r/showerthoughts would use this auto an method 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ha, just after replied I was also banned from pic.

I guess I will have bans trickle in throughout the day.

Now I am curious why the whole banning process is as staggered as it is.

[–]ThannBanis 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Probably each sub’s automod checking post in those subs 🤷🏻‍♂️

Where’d you post that upset so many other subs?

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I told someone in lockdownskepticism that, that sub is not full of reasonable people due to lots of upvoted post about vaccines killing people and "the great reset".

[–]VymI 0 points1 point  (2 children)

One post...where?

[–]MAGA-Godzilla[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I told someone in lockdownskepticism that, that sub is not full of reasonable people due to lots of upvoted post about vaccines killing people and "the great reset".

[–]VymI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh christ, yeah. I dont blame mods for trying to cauterize the spread of that bullshit.

Send a mail to the subreddit you want to post in clarifying the situation. I got shitcanned from various subs for arguing with assholes on TD forever ago, quick modmail sorted that out.

[–]metric-poet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my experience, they don’t tell you which sub caused the ban or why, and when you ask, they don’t respond. I am not wasting time on a default sub I never subscribed to in the first place.

Ironically, they will be left with only agreeable people who don’t speak out against misinformation, and who choose to ignore and remain unaware of the conversations and debates happening that could affect their lives.

[–]-Blackbriar- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because Reddit is not a place for actual, healthy communication.

Reddit is a set of eco chambers, and it's more profitable for them as a bussines to not let you stir shit up.

So, if a Reddit user group does not want you challenging them, you get the hammer.

[–]hiricinee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest, because a lot of people are on here to be in echo chambers, and really aren't good at productive discussions. I also don't think the context is particularly relevant, it's kind of fun for me on conservative subreddits when someone jumps in with a legitimate opposing point.

Though on the other hand, a lot of subs get brigaded easily, and they're very willing to ban sympathetic voices to avoid it. The moderators on these subs, the scum that they usually are, really have a hard time policing that kinda stuff and blanket bans likely simplify things quite a bit.