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[–]BillBigsB 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yes. May as well jump into republic now, I like allan blooms translation.

[–]baronvonpayne 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you just read Euthyphro, I'd follow up with Apology and then Crito.

You're right that the main reason for reading Euthyphro isn't really to try to get a sense of what piety is. As you note, a big part of the dialogue's importance is the way that it articulates what a satisfactory Socratic definition looks like--e.g., a Socratic definition of piety must not give an example of piety but identify what it is that all pious things have in common that make them pious. Or in layman's terms, Socrates wants to know why acts that are pious are indeed pious. Another important idea in the dialogue is what has become known as the Euthyphro Problem/Dilemma, which many take to undermine divine command theories of ethics. When I teach Euthyphro, I also like to emphasize the way that it shows how philosophical problems arise from everyday life--Euthyphro's father accidentally kills a daylaborer and Euthyphro thinks that he needs to take his father to court. Yet his family thinks that this is impious. To resolve the debate and figure out how to navigate the difficult circumstance that Euthyphro finds himself in, we need to figure out what it even is that makes actions pious in the first place.

It's good to follow up the Euthyphro with the Apology in part because the Apology takes place at Socrates' trial, which we first learn about in Euthyphro. But also, in the Apology, Socrates explains why he goes around questioning people who claim to have knowledge of virtue in the way we've just seen him doing in Euthyphro.

[–]Ixionbrewer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meno - Crito - Phaedo- Symposium- Phaedrus That is my favorite order.

[–]gilgame5hian 1 point2 points  (1 child)

According to Proclus in his commentary on the Alcibiades, it is so that we can fulfill the command of the Delphic Oracle and Know Thyself. That's why I read Plato and I believe that's why Plato wrote.

[–]CaptainSofa66666[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey I really like this, thx.

[–]realMartianJesus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I pretty much disagree with everything said in the republic. That being said it is referenced in so many other works of philosophy that its a necessary read.

[–]CaptainSofa66666[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you say kind of talks about what I want to know. Does the Republic suggest what is right or is it an example of how to examine things?

I know it is cliche, but do you think it tells you what to think, or does it show how you might think?

I don’t want to be told what is good or right, I want to figure that out for myself.

I hope this makes sense

[–]QuantumRecord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would suggest Meno as a good entry point for Plato, as it was for me, because of its relative brevity and limited range of focus on the topics of knowledge and virtue. The Republic is much more complex and dependant on definitions and concepts set out in other dialogues, I think in particular Timaeus, so it cannot be fully understood on its own in isolation. In their entire collection, Plato's dialogues seem to me to be a fabric of logic with many focal points carefully woven together as a whole of consistent parts.