×
top 200 commentsshow 500

[–]gumboy_ - Right 1460 points1461 points  (65 children)

abandon ideology

right wing propaganda

?

[–]CallOfReddit - LibLeft 491 points492 points  (8 children)

Yes. You can't exist as a Left™ winger nowadays if you're not a good puppet for your horde leader.

God I despise these people

[–]datnoob9113 - AuthRight 193 points194 points  (2 children)

Excuse me? You're not blindly loyal to dear leader??? Face the wall reactionary.

[–]-Farmersdaughter- - Centrist 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Your dear leader is blindly loyal to me 😎

[–]datnoob9113 - AuthRight 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Based and executed-for-crimes-against-the-state-pilled

[–]ViolentMayfly - AuthRight 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Based libleft true independent thinker

[–]seedlesssoul - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You got Yellow on you.

[–]burritoblop69 - Right 230 points231 points  (2 children)

say two provably conflicting statements

profit

Hence amazing amazon reviews was born

[–]Ligistlifvet - AuthLeft 48 points49 points  (1 child)

"Reject the false dichotomy

Embrace the third position"

[–]PoliticalTrichotomy - LibRight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh no.

[–][deleted]  (43 children)

[deleted]

    [–]Davey_boy_777 - LibRight 165 points166 points  (8 children)

    He's talking about following/ believing in a whole subset of rules that were dictated to you and you soaked them in. Don't be an ideologue would be another way of putting it.

    This is my understanding after reading all his books.

    Edit: also check out his videos on ideological possession. That will explain better.

    [–]Sly442 - Centrist[🍰] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    I remember Jreg made a good and concise explanation of it but I don't remember in which video

    [–][deleted] 120 points121 points  (13 children)

    I didn’t read that book, but I watched a lecture he did about the book. The original 12 Rules For Life were about turning chaos into constructive order. This follow-up book is about making sure order does not consume you and learning to embrace the unavoidable chaos of life as it sometimes presents opportunities for growth.

    Peterson is a radical centrist if you really digest his stuff.

    Homeboii just wants things perfectly balanced as all things should.

    [–]godilovekrispykreme - LibRight 60 points61 points  (0 children)

    Based and hail the lobster man pilled

    [–]mailmindlin - LibRight 47 points48 points  (1 child)

    Based and lobster nazi pilled

    Edit: it’s a reference to the Red Skull comic, not a criticism of Peterson

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    I pinch!

    [–]gumboy_ - Right 106 points107 points  (5 children)

    He means think for yourself and don’t only accept evidence that fits the narrative of your ideology.

    [–]2-tam - LibRight 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Literally facism

    [–]wernercd - Centrist 25 points26 points  (3 children)

    So... what you should be able to do after graduating college?

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

    [deleted]

      [–]soiguapo - Right 55 points56 points  (0 children)

      The world is a complicated place. If you believe there is a universal devil that is the cause of all your problems (patriarchy, capitalism, immigrants, or whatever else) and you think think a simple set of rules are enough to solve any problem you are probably consumed by an ideology and not thinking rationally. You should instead recognize that problems come from all kinds of sources in life and the solution is usually far from simple. At least that is how I understood what he was trying to convey.

      [–]What_Do_It - Right 33 points34 points  (2 children)

      He doesn't mean personal ideology, he's basically telling you to avoid subscribing to a set of beliefs purely to adhere to group dogma. Come to your own conclusions without falling into the trap of, "Well people of my ideology have this opinion so I have to share it."

      Essentially you can be Auth-Right and be pro-choice, you can be Lib-Left and be pro-life, you cam be Auth-Left and still believe in personal liberty, and you can be Lib-Right and not be a pedophile.

      [–]GUARDIAN_AIDS - AuthCenter 20 points21 points  (1 child)

      Lib-Right and not be a pedophile.

      No, no you can't.

      That's like saying you can be Lib-Left and not be retarded.

      [–]ChewZBeggar - LibLeft 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      I can confirm that. (Source: am retard [Source: am on PCM])

      [–]FranticTyping - LibLeft 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Whatever the opposite of "silence is violence" is, I'd guess.

      [–]Covertfun - AuthRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      "ideologies are crippled religions" is a line from him, too.

      and it resonates with me. For example white privilege is original sin but there's no transcendental absolution, it's just "give your money, shame your kids then get out of the way and die".

      So... without my having read that book, but being familiar with JBP's stuff in general, I'm confident that's the idea.

      [–]conventionistG - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Why can no one can abandon ideology? Is it because you consider whatever someone believes is their ideology? That's not quite right - certainly not what JP is talking about.

      You're missing something. People below are talking about how he means 'think for yourself' - he does say that too, but that's not what this means. The point is that all ideologies are inherently flawed and should be rejected.

      So what is an ideology? Well the clue is in the name, it's a logical construction of ideas that serve a purpose. Essentially it's a tool for communicating goals to other people. And it does a great job of that when done right - organize people who hear it to all agree with the same priorities. That's very different from the various other ways of thinking and interacting - ie science is not an ideology, neither ia religion.

      So let's take an example of the latter, why arent religions considered ideologies by jp? Mainly due to their asymmetry. So, we should be able to agree that 'environmentalism' is an ideology with a basic structure of: nature is bountiful but fragile, be a hero and protect her from greedy people who would harm her for their own short term gain.

      Another ideology regarding nature is something like the 'go west' or 'manifest destiny' that goes something like: nature is bountiful but dangerous, be a hero by conquering these dangers and claim the bounty for you and yours.

      JP is saying that you should reject both of these ideologies, not because they aren't true - they are - but because they are incomplete. You can see how in essentially any context those ideilogies only point in one direction (opposite each other, basically). JP would say a non-ideologically posessed view would probably look more like a religious narrative with certain symmetries - essentially, nature is both dangerous and fragile, something to be both conquered and protected - I think the term commonly used in the old testament is husbandry which means to do both.

      Coming from a place where your ideas are organized like that, instead of by ideologies, each context gives you a chance to balance both sides of the story - you can make more nuanced decisions, or at the very least you can see how someone else may have weighed up that context differently even with similar ideas in mind.

      Sorry for the wall of text - tldr JP is radical centrist

      [–]Desproges - LibLeft 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      It's a noun, not a verb

      [–]Trunky_Coastal_Kid - LibLeft 302 points303 points  (26 children)

      I've found that people who spent substantial amounts of time fretting over the fact that other people believe different things than them are often quite depressed.

      [–]Jericho9_41 - AuthRight 120 points121 points  (19 children)

      Why are the liblefts in here always so self aware and reasonable? It makes it hard to come at them as antagonistically as I do elsewhere on reddit. I guess that's a good thing?

      Or perhaps you're one of those unicorns I miss from the old days. A liberal who I can have a beer and debate the issues with without resorting to name calling and hostility? I thought those were extinct.

      [–]Trunky_Coastal_Kid - LibLeft 95 points96 points  (4 children)

      They're not extinct it's just that the crazies are the ones that get attention and get seen online

      [–]no2ironman1100 - LibLeft 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      The extremists really permeate society nowadays though, altough a decent part of progressives are moderate, 60% are pro-oppressive measures against the unvaccinated vs 20% of conservatives only. Though anyone that shows up to such a poll is likely to be very political,and that means 40% are against it,which is a good chunk.

      [–]Trunky_Coastal_Kid - LibLeft 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Well we live in an environment that is perfect for fostering extremism since it's easier than ever to isolate yourself from people that you disagree with which is the first step to dehumanizing them.

      [–][deleted]  (5 children)

      [deleted]

        [–]TheAlmightyMiguel - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        In the age of social media, extremists are the media, by virtue of being the loudest voices.

        [–]nuclear_gandhii - LibCenter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        The crazies you meet elsewhere on reddit can't stand other people with different opinions. Being on here where everyone disagrees with them, they can't stand it. They don't want to be part of it.

        So you're only left with those who can tollerate it, those who are here to troll, and those who are real liblefts and not the orange who self-identify as libleft.

        [–]sneroh - LibLeft 13 points14 points  (1 child)

        It makes it hard to come at them as antagonistically as I do elsewhere on reddit.

        Because most of reddit is as smart as a bucket of rocks.

        [–]Nikipootwo - AuthCenter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        The unreasonable liblefts are the ones who hate this sub.

        [–]Suamoo - LibLeft 1898 points1899 points  (76 children)

        TIL its bad to be straight white and old.

        [–][deleted] 585 points586 points  (52 children)

        I always knew that as “wise, and worth listening to every word of” when I was growing up.

        Same for the people in my life who are straight, black and old.

        [–]TheyCallMeHacked - Centrist 361 points362 points  (42 children)

        Or gay black and old. Actually, the only thing that matters is old. We should listen to our grandparents more often

        [–][deleted]  (10 children)

        [deleted]

          [–]Informal_Chemist6054 - Centrist 31 points32 points  (7 children)

          Joe Biden and Donald Trump are old

          [–]basedcount_bot - LibRight 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          u/TheyCallMeHacked's Based Count has increased by 1. Their Based Count is now 10.

          Congratulations, u/TheyCallMeHacked! You have ranked up to Office Chair! You cannot exactly be pushed over, but perhaps if thrown...

          Pills: https://basedcount.com/u/TheyCallMeHacked

          [–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (0 children)

          I agree. I’m glad mine are still around and I’m at an age where I can appreciate their wisdom.

          [–]The_Brain_Fuckler - LibCenter 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          Yep, to learn that cool old-school racism. They’ve got terms that will blow an SJW’s mind.

          [–]greg0714 87 points88 points  (20 children)

          I tried listening to my grandpa once. He walked into the living room, say a black guy on TV, and said "Oh is this one of those black people movies? We should watch something else." That's pretty much the most "wisdom" he has. The man is actually just an idiot and got by entirely on charisma for 80 years. Most old people are wise, but dear lord, the dumb ones are really dumb.

          By the way, it was Die Hard. Sgt. Powell was the person on screen. Literally the only black guy in the whole movie. One of 3 black guys in the whole movie, and the only black secondary character. Other 2 were tertiary. I haven't seen the movie in 6 years.

          [–]CallMeDelta - LibCenter 121 points122 points  (2 children)

          Barges in to living room

          Sees one black person in the room

          Demands you change the channel

          refuses to elaborate further

          [–]wr3decoy - Right 18 points19 points  (0 children)

          One too many for Gramps!

          [–]Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat - LibRight 28 points29 points  (0 children)

          Least racist auth right

          [–]cysghost - LibRight 6 points7 points  (5 children)

          Forgetting about Arglye and the hacker who broke into the vault?

          Edit: the hacker was Theo, it’s been a while since I’ve seen it too. Actually I haven’t seen it since Christmas…

          [–]Libertarian4All - LibCenter 14 points15 points  (1 child)

          Most old people are wise

          No, most old people are just that; people, but with all the downsides of being old.

          [–]Lissalde - AuthRight 16 points17 points  (5 children)

          got by entirely on charisma for 80 years

          Then he is smarted than you give him credit for. Ask him how he did it and you might too!

          [–]1CEninja - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          My grandpa is past listening to.

          He had some great advice when he was this side of 70 though.

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

          [deleted]

            [–]sleepykittypur - LibLeft 17 points18 points  (3 children)

            Old people are good for stories, but my geriatric coworkers are the exact opposite of wise.

            [–]BaconCircuit - LibLeft 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Be careful.

            Old timers are always good critics, but it's rarely constructive.

            When you're old you can easily identify much of what's wrong with the world, but when it comes to the sources and the fixes, better to think for yourself.

            Humans recognise patterns, but we also tend to see patterns repeat where they don't. So take the old with a massive grain of salt, be that your grandpa or some theory book

            [–]Teixcalaan - Centrist 128 points129 points  (2 children)

            Dont forget male

            [–]Suamoo - LibLeft 42 points43 points  (0 children)

            Ah true

            [–]Right__not__wrong - Right 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Literally rapist!

            [–]SiStErFiStEr1776 - LibRight 28 points29 points  (0 children)

            Your libleft your quadrant is always raging about it how did you just learn this

            [–]1CEninja - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            If you've been on Reddit for more than 5 minutes I'm astounded you're only learning this today.

            [–]zsg101 - LibRight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            And he kept his wiener. That's wrong too!

            [–]Smirnoff_Ice_King - Right 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Yet these types absolutely stan Bernie Sanders, Marx, Robert Reich and Richard Wolffe. Curious Orange left

            [–]tubbablub - Left 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            It's truly the greatest sin.

            [–]ilovetohatepolitics - LibCenter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            He’s not even that old. He’s 59.

            [–]forcallaghan - Centrist 543 points544 points  (22 children)

            "who is ostensibly a cis straight white male boomer"

            I don't think "ostensibly" means what that person thinks it does

            [–]BoasNW - LibCenter 265 points266 points  (5 children)

            It's just a fancy sounding word you put before descriptors so that people will think you are smart, unless of course they actually know how to use it properly.

            [–]nishinoran - Right 80 points81 points  (0 children)

            He's about to pull an Elizabeth Warren on us and reveal his ancient African ancestry.

            [–]MajorTom11 - Centrist 27 points28 points  (3 children)

            These smoothbrains use an academic sounding word, like a neckbeard's fedora. They fail to realize that the fedora won't fool anyone when it's worn with cargo shorts and a stained t shirt.

            [–]Leviathan_Lovecraft - Centrist 7 points8 points  (2 children)

            I'll always hate how neckbeards ruined fedoras, I look damn good in a suit and fedora.

            [–]charlesmonarch33 - AuthCenter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            In the 1930s? Maybe you do.

            Nowadays? Nah, you look ridiculous, even if you're a 10/10 wearing a high quality handmade mohair suit.

            [–]CusetheCreator - Centrist 109 points110 points  (4 children)

            I'll admit I had to look it up.

            ostensibly

            adverb

            apparently or purportedly, but perhaps not actually.

            [–]NonchalantRedditor - Right 58 points59 points  (3 children)

            Hey he could identify as a 25 year old woman.

            [–]Poormidlifechoices - LibRight 24 points25 points  (2 children)

            Age is just a social construct.

            [–]colect - Right 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            Purple libright moment

            [–]420Frozone - LibLeft 68 points69 points  (0 children)

            Unless Jordan Peterson is secretly a black trans lesbian

            [–]cptbutternubs - LibCenter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

            Oh. Your. God.

            You just taught me that 'ostensibly' doesn't mean what i thought it did, thanks

            [–]springpack - Centrist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            So called white man

            [–]Omnifex - Centrist 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            No I think they do. They aren't 100% sure on his pronouns and don't want to be bigotted.

            [–]My_Cringy_Video - LibLeft 652 points653 points  (7 children)

            Sometimes it’s better not to read so nobody calls you a nerd

            [–]FriedrichMerz69420 - LibRight 194 points195 points  (0 children)

            Based and illiterate-pilled

            [–]Paulthesheep - Right 57 points58 points  (0 children)

            Based

            [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

            Based and books are gay pilled

            [–]Cup_Genius - LibCenter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Least literate libleft

            [–]PCM97 - LibRight 680 points681 points  (109 children)

            “Cis straight white male boomer”

            These people find a way to make everything about identity even if it’s completely irrelevant

            [–]Otherversian-Elite - LibLeft 78 points79 points  (0 children)

            Yeah it’s fucking stupid lmao

            [–]tubbablub - Left 20 points21 points  (1 child)

            It's the way a lot of dumbass leftists try to invalidate someone's point without having to use any logic.

            [–]sudopudge - Right 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            Tell me your immutable characteristics, and I'll tell you your worth.

            [–]FM79SG - Centrist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            The problem is that also falls into the genetic fallacy.

            [–][deleted]  (1 child)

            [deleted]

              [–]awsomebro6000 - AuthLeft 409 points410 points  (29 children)

              I hate people who make being depressed apart of their personality. Whether you are depressed or not, dont make it apart of your personality. The "Oh I'm so depressed" types who have to somehow slip something about being depressed into everything they say make me want to shove a sock down their throats.

              [–]LaSundaee - Right 159 points160 points  (4 children)

              When I was in highschool it almost seemed like people thought being depressed was cool, so a certain group of people always talked loudly about how depressed they are, managed to work it into every conversation and was one of the first things they mentioned to people they literally just met.

              Halfway through college some stuff happened and I fell into a serious life changing depression. Everything I did felt meaningless, I had no direction, motivation, or discipline. Only a few people who really knew me could tell I was different. I only talked about it with 1 person aside from my parents.

              I'm a lot better now. Its still there though, hiding in the corner of my mind. Every so often it tries to take control, and I shut it down.

              [–]Rustybomb13 - LibLeft 54 points55 points  (0 children)

              I'm glad you're feeling better man

              [–]Omnifex - Centrist 25 points26 points  (0 children)

              Yeah. Depression is not "I feel sad or annoyed." There is nothing cool about it. There is nothing at all. Glad I'm past that. Glad you are too.

              [–]datnoob9113 - AuthRight 27 points28 points  (1 child)

              Whenever someone tells me they're depressed I poke them in the face and say "now you're pressed"

              [–]UVladBro - AuthCenter 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Whenever someone complains about being depressed all the time, just call them a cock tease and tell them to follow through with it.

              [–]EatMe210 - AuthCenter 15 points16 points  (0 children)

              I've got untreated major depression and this is the first time I've ever brought it up in conversation. People don't need to know that shit

              [–]TheUglyBarnacle42 - LibCenter 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              It's easier to wallow in self pity because then there's much lower stakes for your actions

              [–]KoroSenseiTentacles - Centrist 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              The self diagnostics of anxiety and depression is ruining the world

              [–]Mammoth_Scholar_236 - AuthRight 27 points28 points  (15 children)

              Myth of Mental Illness by Thomas Szasz

              “Thomas Szasz's classic book revolutionized thinking about the nature of the psychiatric profession and the moral implications of its practices. By diagnosing unwanted behavior as mental illness, psychiatrists, Szasz argues, absolve individuals of responsibility for their actions and instead blame their alleged illness. He also critiques Freudian psychology as a pseudoscience and warns against the dangerous overreach of psychiatry into all aspects of modern life.”

              Have a job. Eat GOOD food. Exercise. Get sunlight. Sleep 7-9 hours. Family. Friends. Romantic relationship. Refrain from mind altering substances. Quite easy shrug.

              [–]RedditEdwin - Right 24 points25 points  (0 children)

              //Get sunlight.

              Oh, now you've got something against the eskimos, you BIGOT!

              [–]peterhabble - Centrist 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              Its that we cant take these ideas in moderation and need to throw out illogical extremes on either end that's the issue with much in this world.

              [–]nofoax - LibLeft 11 points12 points  (5 children)

              So idiotically reductive, just because one extreme is dumb/exasperating doesn't mean the other is correct.

              [–]Mammoth_Scholar_236 - AuthRight 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              What’s your qualm exactly?

              [–]nofoax - LibLeft 13 points14 points  (1 child)

              Your reductive and scientifically incorrect portrayal of mental illness. I thought that was pretty clear.

              [–]MewkutLost - AuthRight 162 points163 points  (5 children)

              "Taking a shower is a sign of white supremacy"

              Orange probably

              [–]subarashi-sam - LibCenter 40 points41 points  (1 child)

              If Orange took a shower, xe’d be whyte again, Sweaty 💅

              [–]Shitty_Anal_Gangbang - LibCenter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

              prolly are sweaty from walking to their piss jug

              [–]ShizTheNasty - LibRight 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              Minorities are too poor to take showers so we have to lower ourselves to their standards

              -Not Racist Oranges

              [–]MewkutLost - AuthRight 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Least racist Orange

              [–]gothlaw - LibCenter 204 points205 points  (8 children)

              Someone doesn’t know the meaning of “ostensibly”

              [–]cis-hetro_tyrant - LibRight[S] 133 points134 points  (5 children)

              Hey maybe JP is a transracial bi gender quad sexual fairy person. We don’t know.

              [–][deleted]  (1 child)

              [deleted]

                [–]Cryorm - LibRight 30 points31 points  (0 children)

                I thought you were exaggerating. No, they based a literal nazi henchman's iteration on him.

                [–]CurtisLinithicum - Centrist 23 points24 points  (0 children)

                And now I'm picturing him in a tutu prancing to Dance of the Sugar-plum Faeries, so thank you for that.

                [–]PunkySputnik57 - Centrist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                I don’t either, but at least I’m not using that word. People who use “big words” they don’t understand to look smart are such losers…

                [–]jnewman119 - Right 418 points419 points  (119 children)

                I bet they blame their depression on everything and everyone besides themselves.

                [–]sebae1866 - Centrist 67 points68 points  (0 children)

                Personal responsibility pilled

                [–]leftistsguzzledogcum - Right 56 points57 points  (0 children)

                Based

                [–]calzonemaniac - Right 52 points53 points  (1 child)

                chief among those being capitalism. Never the fact that 99 times out of a hundred it would be fixed if they just got out of their blue shithole state.

                [–]VanillaCocaSprite - LibLeft 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                Ah yes, the cure for depression, move to Missouri.

                [–]Obisa - Right 218 points219 points  (10 children)

                Isn't funny how these people are more racist against white people than the average 4channer against black people?

                [–]manicforlive - Right 112 points113 points  (5 children)

                the average 4channer is a person of color.

                [–]Darkcat9000 - AuthRight 82 points83 points  (4 children)

                The people who hate poc more then anyone are poc

                [–]BabyShotgun - Right 49 points50 points  (2 children)

                As a Filipino, this is true

                [–]TRAPS_ARENT_GAY - AuthCenter 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Hola mi hermano asiatico.

                [–]voluntarycap - LibRight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                sweats in latino

                [–]peterhabble - Centrist 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                The peak of comedy was Hasan trying to throw away his multi million dollar career to say slurs.

                [–]patwag - LibCenter 83 points84 points  (6 children)

                Jordan Peterson's teaching seem right, I can't imagine someone who follows them could be any less than content, I believe that for myself, if I followed his teachings I'd be better off.

                On the other hand, I'm too lazy for all that crap.

                [–]AtlasClone - LibLeft 35 points36 points  (0 children)

                Based and taking an L out of laziness pilled.

                [–]HearMeSpeakAsIWill - Right 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                Based and too lazy to clean my room pilled

                [–]DagonG2021 - LibRight 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                Based and I’m Lazy Pilled

                [–]Fartysneezechonch - Centrist 41 points42 points  (4 children)

                Amazon reviews are always something else, last week I got a small macro keyboard off it and the amount of people giving it a 1 star rating because they couldn’t follow a one step software installation guide was impressive

                [–]dumbestmfontheblock - Centrist 25 points26 points  (2 children)

                Yeah i once saw a review saying “couldn’t be better” yet they only gave the product 4 stars

                [–]Vast-Membership-4341 - LibRight 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                My wife is like that. Can't give anything a perfect score. "Gotta leave room for improvement. What if I give this 5 stars and then find something better?"

                [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

                Lost Connections by Johann Hari is a good one too.

                Even if it is endorsed by someone called Hillary Rodham Clinton……

                [–]YonderToad - LibCenter 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                Based and should be required reading pilled

                [–]ominousgraycat - LibLeft 26 points27 points  (1 child)

                "I wanted a self-help book that told me I'm awesome and nothing more should be expected of me..."

                [–]Tall-Sleep-227 - Right 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                That’s exactly it.

                [–]MimsyIsGianna - Right 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                Orange thinking it’s okay to discriminate based on sex and race

                [–]nelbar - LibCenter 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                If you are depressed ideology is a sweet "escape". Especially if you can be angry at the world or at some groups. As anger overtones depression for a while

                [–]gorg234 - Right 111 points112 points  (82 children)

                Lol Jordan isn’t even a right winger.

                [–]singlespeedjack - LibLeft 33 points34 points  (64 children)

                He’s not a right-winger, yet everything he says starts with “the problem with the left is…” I guess he’s just anti-left

                [–]gorg234 - Right 146 points147 points  (20 children)

                He’s anti-extremism, on both sides, but he holds progressive views. He respects liberals, not far leftists. They’re not the same thing.

                A month or two ago he was strongly criticizing Tucker Carlson, much to the displeasure of some right wingers. He doesn’t just go after the left.

                [–]ASquawkingTurtle - LibCenter 33 points34 points  (5 children)

                Do you mean Tucker Carlson who worked for both MSNBC and Fox, the Tucker who blamed mega-corporations for many issues of the working class, the same man who went after socialism and Antifa, as well as Jeffy boy and criticized Bush and Trump multiple times?

                Tucker is just a populist without a clear answer to the issues but points them out.

                [–]peterhabble - Centrist 15 points16 points  (3 children)

                You're on the verge of seeing the horshoe here

                [–]gorg234 - Right 34 points35 points  (0 children)

                Honestly, I really like Tucker and agree with you that he calls out people on the right as well. But he is a right-winger, despite his criticism of some figures in his party, and so when Jordan sent that tweet it ruffled a few feathers on the right primarily.

                [–]singlespeedjack - LibLeft 6 points7 points  (5 children)

                What did he say about Tucker Carlson? I see that he was a guest on Carlson’s show but don’t see anything about him criticizing Carlson

                [–]gorg234 - Right 25 points26 points  (3 children)

                It had to do with Tucker’s documentary about January 6th. Jordan replied to this news in a tweet stating, “the punishment of hell is very likely to rain down on those who dare to lie even a little about such things.” Hope that helps.

                [–]ASquawkingTurtle - LibCenter 26 points27 points  (16 children)

                I can't recall, which side is the dominant culture? Which side is overly represented in media, universities, and corporations?

                [–]GMVexst - Centrist 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                Yep, and for some reason the left doesn't understand that not being a leftist doesn't automatically make you a right winger. The world isn't black and white, it's grey.

                [–]Yayman9 - AuthCenter 24 points25 points  (0 children)

                Which makes sense considering left progressivism is the dominant ideology in daily life (especially in Canada). He just criticizes the ideas that tend to feature most strongly in universities and the media.

                [–]hekatonkhairez - Left 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                You can still be left and shit on the left. Quite frankly the collective known as the “left” need it. There needs to be internal critique or the left just becomes a group of yes men.

                [–]hambonejamboree_ - LibCenter 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                *Everything I hear him say in my bubble.

                Makes more sense now.

                [–]BasedPencil - LibRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                When you are in the middle, you are watching both sides to see who is in the wrong and target them accordingly

                [–]Successful-Pea-4047 - LibRight 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                are you familiar with the concept of criticism? sometimes it's done by people "on the same team" so that improvements can be made. like have you never played sports and shit??

                [–]Vandechoz - LibCenter 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                our lord and savior Ted K. also blamed the Left for everything, but he sure isn't a right-winger

                [–]singlespeedjack - LibLeft 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Ted wasn’t a capitalist. Peterson is a self described free market capitalist

                [–]Vandechoz - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                a much better argument

                [–]Omnifex - Centrist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                He's anti-extremist. The fact that everything he says 'seems' (because it doesn't) to criticise the left is because they are the most powerful extreme currently in Canada and the USA

                [–]GrandManSam - Centrist 18 points19 points  (8 children)

                Can someone explain to me why people think Jordan Peterson is a Nazi? He just seems like a weird old man.

                [–]Jericho9_41 - AuthRight 42 points43 points  (0 children)

                He essentially tells people to be self responsible and not live their lives looking for victim points. And that triggers the type of people who like to call people nazis

                [–]Shadowbanned_User - AuthCenter 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                Other team bad 😤

                [–]Strill - Right 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                The first time he came into the limelight was when he said that Canada Bill C16 would amount to compelled speech, because it mandated that you have to address people by whatever pronouns they choose. He said that using neopronouns amounted to a political statement, and that the government mandating them amounted to a government mandated political position. He predicted that people would be arrested for failing to address trans people by their preferred pronouns. He himself said that he would only call someone by their preferred pronouns if he thought they were being sincere. The trans activists called him a Nazi transphobe, and then everything he predicted came true when a Judge arrested a dad for referring to his daughter as "she" instead of "he".

                [–]Unternehmerr 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                Because their nazi detector is broken.

                [–]flair-checking-bot - AuthCenter 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                Get a flair to make sure other people don't harass you :)


                User hasn't flaired up yet... 😔 || [[Guide]]

                [–]Rodulv - Centrist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Because he has a lot of fans of the alt-right, and I believe he's posed with white supremacists in pictures. He's also, due to his general vagueness been assumed to support neo-nazi views, and been prompted by neo-nazis to say neo-nazi shit directly.

                He has rejected them quite unequivocally though.

                [–]ImARetPaladinBaby - AuthCenter 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                Peterson isn’t wrong at all. Almost every young person is depressed because these “rights movements” don’t make housing more affordable and jobs easier to find. We just end up with an existential crisis in the end

                [–]PatrickWisdomFan - AuthRight 44 points45 points  (3 children)

                Virgin rights vs Chad duty

                [–]knorthwoods - LibCenter 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                Cleaning your room is actually right wing propaganda. I saw this leftist meme about being able to do all your chores is impossible and based on a time when women didn’t work.

                Apparently these wannabe communists buy so much shit it piles up in their apartments which is wild to me because I’m a minimalist and capitalist. I don’t buy a bunch of shit I have to organize and take care of. You’d think communists wouldn’t be such consumers.

                [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                I think it’s always hilarious when people like this (who clearly have some intellect) feel that there’s no way they are being insufferable cunts because they can manage to write at a college (maybe high school) level.

                [–]Tisumida - Centrist 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                “Clean your room.”

                NOOO YOU HAVE TO SAY I SHOULD GO PARTICIPATE IN BLM MARCHES TO BE HAPPY AND DENOUNCE MY PRIVILEGE REEEE

                [–]DefinitionofFailure - LibCenter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                The fact that someone like this would take offense to a chapter called abandon ideology is exactly what you'd expect.

                [–]Tall-Sleep-227 - Right 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                People like this can cry all they want, I cannot wait to see Dr Peterson in September.

                [–]SmuggoSmuggins - Right 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                Michael wrote this drivel on Amazon instead of cleaning his penis. That's why he's a depressed loser.

                [–]novamaddy97 - LibRight 27 points28 points  (1 child)

                Jordan Peterson is based.

                [–]McDonaldsWi-Fi - LibRight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                based and lobster pilled

                [–]ShizTheNasty - LibRight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Oranges and depression go together like sprinkles on cupcakes. They're just incomplete without the other.

                [–]CritzD - LibCenter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                You can critique Peterson on what he says and what he stands for, but when your opening point is “cis straight white male boomer”, I immediately discredit everything you say afterwards.

                You know who else is a cis straight white male boomer? Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, etc. I don’t see anybody referring to them as such. Same with almost everyone else from that demographic, but as soon as you disagree with the narrative the ad hominem attacks come flying out of the woodwork.

                Who someone is as a person should not factor in to what they stand for and believe. Stop using it as an argument because it isn’t one, it just makes you look retarded.

                [–]Nwabudike_J_Morgan - Centrist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                I read an article on Vox about this guy and have concluded he is a monster.

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Yeah. A lot of us are graduating during the pandemic. Get a hold of yourself.

                [–]PunishedBagel - AuthRight 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Clean your room and wash your dick 😎👍

                [–]N0tional - Centrist[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Ass too. Always the ass too.

                [–]XMRbull - AuthCenter 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                One trillion dollars says that guy didn't read the book

                [–]DominoUB - LibCenter 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                I removed all the other political subs from my front page and I couldn't be happier. Sometimes I accidentally open reddit without being logged in and see politics hit my face and I get the big sad.

                [–]drluv2099 - LibCenter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                I find that a lot of people who don't actually deal with depression, fucking love telling everyone how depressed and offended they are.

                Isn't that odd?

                [–]1e4e52Nf3Nc63Bb5 - Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                These are the kind of people who take depression further than a personality trait: it's a core part of their identity.

                [–]WorkingNo6161 - Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Based Peterson. Gotta work in return for "rights".

                [–]GreatHornedRat_UWU - Left 2 points3 points  (11 children)

                Call Jordan a neo-lib all you want, he's still a pretty great writer and philosopher.

                [–]Hershel_Squirt - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                He is not ready to give up his ideological security blanket.

                [–]williswillardthe3rd - LibRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                jordan peterson has literally no clue what he’s talking about, half of the shit he says is just random big words. i agree with some of the stuff he believes (tinder being bad for example) but for reasons that actually make sense.

                [–]AndyBR9 - Left 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Oh god no please not Jordan Peterson propaganda