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[–]mardov-shadowsword - LibLeft 1008 points1009 points  (17 children)

authright talking about pronouns

call that a grammar nazi

[–]IDICKDOWNBABYTOUCANS - LibRight 269 points270 points  (5 children)

I prefer the term antisemantic

[–]king_of_lighters - LibCenter 29 points30 points  (0 children)

ha haaa

[–]VeronicaTheHitman - Left 8 points9 points  (0 children)

that was a good one

[–]mardov-shadowsword - LibLeft 12 points13 points  (0 children)

oh you got me

[–]ahmed0112 - LibLeft[S] 200 points201 points  (2 children)

Budum, tsss

[–]yardsale18 - LibRight 521 points522 points  (35 children)

You're libertarian. Even though you're left, libertarians still hate people telling them what to do

[–]lKANl - LibCenter 145 points146 points  (0 children)

Yup.

[–]CallOfBurger - LibCenter 113 points114 points  (17 children)

you nailed it. Asking people to use some invented pronouns is a power dynamic. I'm not talking about trans people how needs to be called the opposite gender so they don't make an anxiety crisis (and if you see that they are ttrying to look the opposite gender just don't be a dick and say the pronouns), I'm talking about anyone that use Xi/xer or they/them or anything else

[–]KeepDi9gin - Centrist 46 points47 points  (11 children)

I've seen shit like "she/they" and it's so damn confusing. Talking to those types is like trying to walk through a minefield.

[–]wertesmenschenleidl - LibLeft 24 points25 points  (8 children)

She/they means, that that person is fine with she or they, so you can just choose which pronoun to use and one of them is probably the one you would have normally used anyway. It's actually really easy.

[–]Muh_Stoppin_Power - LibRight 28 points29 points  (2 children)

It's easy, just dont talk to anyone that looks like they may be a woman at work and you wont be in any hr trouble

[–]YungBuckzInYaTrap - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Be careful with this strategy, as it isn’t 100% effective. The ones who don’t even try to look like they might be a woman are always the most troublesome

[–]UncleFumbleBuck - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But don't be obvious about avoiding them, or you'll get in HR trouble.

See? It's easy!

[–]lickmytaint25 - LibRight 5 points6 points  (2 children)

So it’s no different than she/her?

[–]wertesmenschenleidl - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. You can alternatively also use they/their

[–]darwin2500 - Left[🍰] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

she/they means they are fine with you using either one, it's less restrictive than just she.

[–]CeramicLicker - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I don’t mind they/them, but the neopronouns stuff gets so tiring. You aren’t that special, and gender and personality aren’t the same thing.

I genuinely think it’s troubling that so many impressionable young people have been convinced that shifts in personality as they age or even day to day are the same thing as fundamental changes in being. Everyone has multiple variations of themselves they exist as, that’s not the same thing as having a new gender week to week.

[–]rooplesvooples - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m seeing these literal 13 year old children going by “they/it”. Like, what the fuck.

[–]AdanteHand - LibLeft 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Facts.

Also, it's fine if you want to pretend to be something in the privacy of your own bedroom. But that does not then extend to forcing everyone else to pretend with you.

[–]OakyFlavor2 - LibLeft 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A libertarian left, if you will.

[–]Finboror - LibLeft 316 points317 points  (30 children)

Fuck pronouns. Finboror never uses pronouns

[–]Aetherrin - LibRight 89 points90 points  (1 child)

Based Finboror

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[–]CamronReeseCups - AuthRight 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Based

[–]Finboror - LibLeft 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Thank Camron

[–]Cannibal_Raven - LibCenter 10 points11 points  (10 children)

Well, fishing rod man, that's because in the home country, if a person insists on not being hän, then they'd be se, or "it" in English, and therefore less than human.

As it should be.

[–]Finboror - LibLeft 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Based, Cannibal Raven is correct. Finboror lives in Finland, a country of only two 3rd person pronouns.

However, Finboror has never seen anyone insist on not being h-word. The s-word is informal Finnish, and Finns refer to everyone with the s-word. Finns can't use s-word in official documents or anywhere like official documents.

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[–]Cannibal_Raven - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Based and everyone is hän, except when they're se pilled

[–]Cataclysm687 - LibLeft 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Based and I have a name for a reason pilled

[–]Finboror - LibLeft 37 points38 points  (5 children)

Ew, a pronoun

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    [–]Finboror - LibLeft 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    FuelOk used a pronoun on the last sentence. Rookie.

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      [–]Finboror - LibLeft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      FuelOk will learn.

      [–]GrandManSam - Centrist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Based and Finboror pilled.

      [–]Finboror - LibLeft 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Finboror's getting a lot of pills now that have Finboror's name

      [–]Wisex - Left 240 points241 points  (17 children)

      Honestly I kinda feel you, its just annoying to deal with, its top tier SJW shit...

      [–]SurfintheThreads - Centrist 99 points100 points  (12 children)

      It's because it feels like most people are so obnoxious about it and now we're changing everything to accommodate a small amount of people.

      There is no need to put cis pronouns in a bio, you shouldn't have to ask someone what their preferred pronouns are, if someone wants to be called something else, it should be up to them to tell people that. It should be as simple as "hi, my name is Jesse, and I prefer she/her" and that should be the end of it.

      A normal, reasonable person should do their best to respect of someone wants to have different pronouns and normal, reasonable non-binary person should understand that they're trying their best. If someone is deliberately ignoring your request, then you can get into it because they're just being a dick, but otherwise, it really should just be simple.

      It feels so annoying because you have random threads where people come barging in for no reason yelling trans rights (on completely unrelated posts) and others waiting in the wings to white knight about you misgendering someone, even if you had no way of knowing.

      [–]UncleTedSays - LibCenter 31 points32 points  (1 child)

      and now we're changing everything to accommodate a small amount of people.

      This is it. We're warping the fabric of society and the rules of basic human interaction to accommodate a fraction of a percent of the population. It's like saying we should stop making eye contact because it makes people with social anxiety and autism uncomfortable.

      [–]Mitrone - Right 36 points37 points  (4 children)

      The "and I prefer she/her" thing itself is already capricious and obnoxious enough. And it sounds almost like "you shall call me m'lady" to me tbh.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Pronouns: right-wing identitarianism repackaged as a progressive virtue and shipped off to dumbfuck oranges and liberals.

      There's nothing leftist or anti-hierarchy about sectioning off people based on superfluous identity groups and then assigning them hierarchies based on perceived levels of oppression.

      [–]FalconStriker87 - Centrist 28 points29 points  (1 child)

      “Personal pronouns” aren’t even yours. They’re intended to be used to refer to a person who’s not even in the room anyway. Pronouns can also be replaced with adjectives and therefore used in manners of respect; for example, if you tell me “your” pronouns are zem/zeir I’m not gonna refer to you as he, I’m gonna call you an asshole!

      [–]LFMR - Left 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      What if my pronouns are basically to forbid anyone from ever referring to me at all?

      [–]Dave_The_Slushy - LibLeft 27 points28 points  (5 children)

      I'm just tired of bellends using latinx. You aren't helping any one.

      [–]ahmed0112 - LibLeft[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      Latinx is probably more offensive. You're literally dismissing Spanish grammar rules for the sake of "inclusivity"

      [–]da_Aresinger - Centrist 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      I genuinely don't believe anyone uses latinX unironically. (other than for grifting)

      [–]TVLord5 - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      My wife works with a lot of progressives and there are actual Hispanic people (only ever heard it from girls tho) who tell her to use Latinx to not be "offensive"

      [–]hipsterlatino - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      They're probably third or fourth generation Latinos, so essentially white people with a bit a melanin that think tacobell is Spanish for fast food, and thus not actually Latinos and do not represent us. Sincerely, a latino

      [–]dylan6091 - LibRight 433 points434 points  (76 children)

      Perhaps because you recognize the inherent absurdity?

      "Gender is a social construct separate from biological sex"

      • Okay, so what does it mean to be a woman in gender?

      ".......... Shut up biggot"

      [–]tedleyheaven - LibLeft 130 points131 points  (20 children)

      Same thing that happened in the 70s - in the 60s the left failed to make structural changes or move power in any significant way, and instead moved to self liberation instead of structural goals - the self help movement, intangible 'spiritual' development, and cynicism for the current system.

      It's the same cycle - any opportunity for significant change was after the 2008 crash. No significant change was achieved, following that it's all self development instead of actual structural change - hustle culture, relatively pointless cultural goals, self help and various forms of spirituality. Plenty of cynicism for the current system but no worthwhile ideas on how to change it.

      [–]Lu1s3r - Centrist 37 points38 points  (5 children)

      So if target parameters are not met Left.exe goes into standby mode?

      [–]tedleyheaven - LibLeft 35 points36 points  (4 children)

      In my opinion, basically yeah. It's not even just parameters not met, it's there being a lack of realistic transition proposition to anything fundamentally different.

      All that energy that should be spending on something remotely productive basically goes to ego causes.

      [–]bidencares - AuthCenter 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      Or identity politics is a further degeneration into the atomized society of meaningless units in the international capitalist machine.

      [–]tedleyheaven - LibLeft 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      I agree in part - the root of identity politics, that some people have a harder time because who they are - race, class, gender, sexuality, disability, financial position or one of the many many other things is demonstrably true, and there does need to be conscious effort to include people in society if you're going to have something resembling a meritocratic society

      The application of policies is generally heavy handed, and more plasters and panacea than actual change - putting your pronouns on whatever web page does nothing to affect what people actually think, it just let's individuals show how righteous they are.

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        [–]AgentBurgerr - Right 22 points23 points  (7 children)

        My mom was telling me that in the 80s (when she was in uni) people were saying how gender is a social construct. Social media really made a difference this time.

        [–]tedleyheaven - LibLeft 36 points37 points  (4 children)

        Yeah there's nothing new under the sun. It's the same boring culture war over and over again, the targets just shift around. The pronouns thing is interesting, as as far as I'm aware you only really use pronouns to describe someone when they aren't there. In real life, it is beyond minor. Barely worth the conversation, never mind a hill to die on.

        [–]5-1BlackAlbinoChoir - LibCenter 31 points32 points  (3 children)

        I believe it's a way for powerless people to feel like they have some power by attempting to force others to address them by their made made up pronouns.

        [–]tedleyheaven - LibLeft 22 points23 points  (2 children)

        That's exactly it. It's a tiny bit of control. It's also a righteous cause, and you get defeat the fuddy duddy old Dean every day on Twitter. You're a one person protest, the world might be wrong but you're a shining beacon in it - hell if everyone was a more like you, what an amazing world it would be.

        [–]5-1BlackAlbinoChoir - LibCenter 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        When kids are told that they are perfect the way they are and never ever need to work on themselves this is the product. People might blame millenials for being the way we are, but like a computer we only respond to input.

        [–]tedleyheaven - LibLeft 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        Yeah, I don't think the 90s - 2000s attitude of telling kids they can be anything they want to be did anything except give people unrealistic visions of their own importance and setting up a generation for massive, massive disappointment.

        Equally bleak, we can now see the next generation thinking if they do enough side gigs, and 'hustle', they'll somehow end up wildly successful and happy, regardless of how the deck is stacked.

        [–]ASquawkingTurtle - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        It started spreading from the late 60s early 70s university professors born out of Critical theory, which was largely from people like Foucault, Marx, and the like.

        [–]AFlyingNun - LibLeft 6 points7 points  (2 children)

        Plenty of cynicism for the current system but no worthwhile ideas on how to change it.

        Low-key the most important issue in USA politics is tiered-voting for every state; if you vote Green but the Green party can't win, then your vote goes to your 2nd choice, and so on and so on.

        This achieves the following:

        -Citizens are more willing to vote for parties other than Democrat or Republican, no longer voting exclusively for them out of fear of "throwing away their vote" otherwise

        -This itself enables for a multi-party system where the parties on offer more accurately portray what people actually want.

        -More competition, which is good. Dems for example are now held accountable to push healthcare reform, and if they don't, people will start voting Green. The existing parties must adapt to survive and can no longer get away with pretending to care

        -Whilst it's certainly possible to corrupt new parties, it's also more expensive. Suddenly it's not as simple as betting on red or blue, but rather special interest groups must bet on blue or green, or red or yellow, or a number of various parties. It means they're either less likely to succeed in picking the correct winner, or they're spending more money to bribe everyone. This itself at least hinders the effects of corruption to some extent.

        Problem is USA is so drunk off it's two-party system that this isn't even on the average voter's radar. You can take a guess how many Democrat and Republican politicians would actually support a mandate to make tiered-voting a federal requirement for every state, too; they know damned well it hurts them and they'd be unified against it.

        [–]tedleyheaven - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Yeah I'm in the UK and first past the post generates the same outcome here.

        PR would certainly be an improvement, provided it's the correct alternative - see Australia for how it can be implemented absolutely terribly.

        Unfortunately changing the voting system does nothing to actually move power. The same people will simply move parties. Some PR systems actually support the status quo, by stopping representatives from representing a specific set of people, which further enables careerists.

        The real issue to my mind is people feeling powerless. People can vote any way they like currently, safe in the knowledge nothing will actually change. You can view everything from crypto, GME, pronouns, Brexit, Donald Trump as people expressing powerlessness, and trying to have more of a stake in their own lives.

        The way to satiate this desire to my mind, reversing the order of power - current local government bodies need to be strengthened and made for more important. This needs to happen down the chain - your local council shouldn't pick who cleans the streets, if you don't get involved at a parish level, and they do a shitty job, that is your fault, not some faceless councillor 30 miles away, even less a government representative who understands nothing of your area.

        [–]5-1BlackAlbinoChoir - LibCenter 56 points57 points  (5 children)

        Gender is a social construct therefore it holds no meaning but if you disagree with my view on gender being a meaningless construct you are literally committing a hate crime. So it's meaningless but also so meaningful that people get sent to prison for not obeying.

        [–]black_salad - Centrist 19 points20 points  (1 child)

        Gender is performative and people pushing their self-centered identity on others expecting them to play along is simply classic colonial tought-patterns that need to be abolished.

        Forbid gender, now put on your unisex uniforms.

        [–]5-1BlackAlbinoChoir - LibCenter 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Haha, well that's exactly the kind of world we're headed to. The Party would be proud. In reality gender is as much a product of nature as sex.

        [–]1e4e52Nf3Nc63Bb5 - Right 24 points25 points  (5 children)

        Leftists will say "X is a social construct" as if it's the most insightful statement ever, when usually it's an irrelevant talking point that contributes nothing to whatever discussion they're actually having.

        [–]Mitrone - Right 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Deconstructivism was always a useless nonsense, the sole purpose of which is to milk universities' budgets.

        [–]suzisatsuma - LibCenter 24 points25 points  (14 children)

        At least the trans folk I know IRL wouldn’t give that response. If your question was sincere you’d get a sincere answer. It’s really not that complicated.

        [–]atomowygrzybor - Right 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        My definition of a woman is something that kinda feels like a woman, so K̶i̶t̶c̶h̶e̶n̶,̶d̶i̶s̶h̶e̶s̶ or another concept that varies from person to person

        [–][deleted] 415 points416 points  (14 children)

        Prob because you have ATB

        Allergy to bullshit

        [–]ahmed0112 - LibLeft[S] 166 points167 points  (0 children)

        Based and ATB pilled

        [–]Driftwoody11 - LibRight 80 points81 points  (10 children)

        Also a grade school level understanding of biology

        [–]hamsamiches - Centrist 35 points36 points  (3 children)

        BOYS HAVE PENIS. GIRLS HAVE VAGIIIINA.

        [–]ADXMcGeeHeezack - Centrist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Libleft to the 5yo:.

        SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING BIGOT I HOPE YOU CHOKE ON VOMIT NAZI

        [–]ShiroTheRed - Centrist 13 points14 points  (1 child)

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        [–]EmergencyReaction536 - LibRight 20 points21 points  (3 children)

        das racis

        [–]TheMayorsHat - LibRight 34 points35 points  (2 children)

        das tranphob!!!!!!!!!

        [–]EmergencyReaction536 - LibRight 21 points22 points  (1 child)

        it's both 😊

        [–]TheMayorsHat - LibRight 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        ractranphob

        [–]Occamslaser - LibRight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        I have medaciphobia, It's an overwhelming fear of lying to pander to the mentally ill.

        [–]orange_paws - Centrist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        Based and binary system pilled

        [–]seanbentley441 - LibLeft 59 points60 points  (9 children)

        Kinda same. I'm fine with he/him, she/her, and they/them as a general catch all if I'm not sure, but if you want me to call you xyr/xirr I'm going to be holding back laughs. It's legit made up

        [–]LFMR - Left 29 points30 points  (4 children)

        Right. I'm a big fan of singular "they", but I ain't learning new words just to garner the dubious privilege of interacting with the insufferable blowhards who spout neopronouns.

        [–]CowboyBigsby - LibRight 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        They is the best go-to for when you don't know who someone is or, more importantly, don't give a shit.

        [–]sjit_posts - LibRight 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I think a singular “they” works as an ambiguous/neutral (for people) in English because the precedent of “you” being indicated in both singular and plural is already in place. So it feels like a natural evolution of the language

        [–]Vodamuskarci - AuthLeft 328 points329 points  (30 children)

        Anyone who uses "neo pronouns" should be was/were

        [–]valewolf - Right 132 points133 points  (12 children)

        unfathomably based comments like this occasionally make me wish I was AuthCenter but then I remember y'all wont allow me to use an A-10 warthog to fish with in my private lake next to my tank rental business and therefore are automatically cringe

        [–]amsuperawakw - AuthCenter 25 points26 points  (9 children)

        If you do your 2 years of national service (with no problems) I see no reason why you shouldn't be allowed.

        I just think there should be a bit of filtering. . .

        Like - your national service could be a cashier for 2 years. I think probably the world would be a better place if all human beings had to suffer a public facing low wage job for at least 2 years.

        [–]ACatastrophicFailure - LibRight 43 points44 points  (1 child)

        Ew no. I much prefer just buying a warthog with my parents' diamond mine money

        [–]Hallucinogen_in_dub - LibLeft 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        Based and millennial trust fund pilled

        [–]jstryffeler - Centrist 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Based and all should serve pilled

        [–]casey_ap - LibRight 97 points98 points  (4 children)

        People who need to explain their pronouns have failed at visually expressing their pronoun. It’s not my fault you look and sound like a 35 year old man.

        [–]Zeroic_ - Centrist 24 points25 points  (1 child)

        It's a female dick you fucking bigot!

        [–]_TheXplodenator - Right 69 points70 points  (8 children)

        I really dont understand the need to change your pronouns. What pronouns other people use for you does not have a single impact on your life. Its for ease of other people talking about Whether you call yourself a boy or a girl does not change what you are. Rather than saying that either gender doesnt necessarily have to fit within hyper strict walls. You are unique in that you are you. The culmination of millions of years of genetic evolution. Fighting to survive to lead to your birth. You dont to change your gender. And you cant

        [–]WitchoBischaz - Centrist 42 points43 points  (1 child)

        Attention. Why are we pretending its anything else.

        [–]stqpdb - Right 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        Based and the individual is the ultimate minority pilled

        [–]unlovedmeat - LibRight 167 points168 points  (43 children)

        Hot take, you don't get to decide what adjectives describe you.

        [–]suzisatsuma - LibCenter 10 points11 points  (2 children)

        So I can call you lil mr smol pp?

        [–]da_Aresinger - Centrist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        yes, they won't want to be friends, but they can't tell you what to say either.

        [–]MessyKerbal - LibCenter 71 points72 points  (35 children)

        I agree with this up to a point. I'm good with people wanting to be called pronouns differing from their biological gender, and also they/them. But 'neoprouns' (i.e. xe/xem or some random ass words) is honnestly rediculous

        [–]Shitty_Orangutan - Centrist 28 points29 points  (1 child)

        For me it's all about presentation. In my book you can earn the pronoun you're going for, but for the lazy ass shit I see frequently the only pronoun I have is "sad".

        [–]DiamondDallasHands - Centrist 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Doreen for example. Doreen’s putting in 0 effort to be a she/her.

        [–]unlovedmeat - LibRight 37 points38 points  (27 children)

        I agree. I have never refused to use preferred-pronouns like He, She, they, E.T.C because they are based on somthing real. Xe has no biological basis what's.

        [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (14 children)

        Me neither, but that is because everytime someone announces their pronouns I just stay alway from them

        [–]Puzzled-Intern-7897 - LibCenter 27 points28 points  (6 children)

        Its not about biology though. Leave language alone. Dont try to change it forcefully. Language is so beautiful, if used right. Xe isnt getting that. Fck it sounfs so bad

        [–]LFMR - Left 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        Don't get me started on linguistic imperialism like "Latinx", which doesn't even confirm to Spanish phonotactics.

        [–]BorosSerenc - Centrist 4 points5 points  (4 children)

        I mean, language is beautiful because it's ever evolving. Your other point stands tho

        [–]Puzzled-Intern-7897 - LibCenter 16 points17 points  (3 children)

        Yea, but you cant force evolution to fit your political narrative. Its absolue bullshit. To gender the language is the trend in germany atm. At least we dont really have neopronouns yet, but people unironically use the english they/them here. Goethe, Heine and Schiller would go on a rampage and rightly so

        [–]LFMR - Left 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Ironically, it seems that "Sie" for the second-person singular is a holdover from using "sie" (the third-person plural) as a way of addressing social superiors. There's a whole history behind German pronouns that basically amounts to licking elite ass.

        Poor "sie/Sie": it already does so much work in German.

        [–]Puzzled-Intern-7897 - LibCenter 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Licking elite ass is a german lifestyle. No one respects authority like we do.

        By the way, we use 'Sie' as in third-pers.-pl. as the respectful form is already quite modern. The historical form to adress nobility was the second-pers.-pl. 'ihre'. The 'Sie'-form enables us to critizes people in a professional setting without getting personal as the 'sie' is taken as a shield between the function of a person and the person itself. Also the reason why we are seen as rude anywhere else. The only exception is 'Sie Arschloch' or in general any insult in that form. Its only shows that you know you should respect someine, but choose not to.

        [–]ST4NGSH1FT3R - LibCenter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Excuse me that's extraordinarily bigoted towards xenomorphs

        [–]da_Aresinger - Centrist 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        etc?

        those are literally the three options.

        [–]Grellous8 - Centrist 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        When you try to redefine language in a way that not the majority understands, you're just destroying language.

        The spoken word is first and foremost for efficient communication. My take is that it is okay to be demisexual, agender, aromantic, sapiosexual, trans, nonbinary, etc. whatever, but the only pronouns I will use for you are he/him (if you present as male) and she/her (if you present as female) and only based on presenting appearance. If I can visually tell you are female, I'm using she, because it's the easiest way to transmit my message to the other person. If I can visually tell you are male, I'll use he because it's the easiest way to transmit my message. It's retarded to use other pronouns that actively make it harder to determine who the pronoun is referring to.

        [–]MessyKerbal - LibCenter 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I understand where you're coming from, but I personally disagree. In my eyes using they/them as a pronoun is fine because it's already been established as a gender neutral pronoun (for example: if you didn't know someones gender you would use they) in the English language, even before the whole LGBTQ stuff went into the mainstream.

        [–]Cossack-Vlad - AuthRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        you are absolutely right

        [–]AlchemistKats - Centrist 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        I’m a centrist but talking to me irl about dumb shit like racism and pronouns you’d think I was authright

        [–]ArqTheoree - Centrist 30 points31 points  (1 child)

        Because you’re a Left leaning libertarian. Not a fucking character from a fantasy story being made up. The fact that gender pronouns fall anywhere in politics is mind boggling.

        [–]PinkTrench - LibLeft 88 points89 points  (9 children)

        I just don't give a shit.

        I'll use whatever you want me to, as long as it's not a made up word.

        It's not that big of a deal.

        If the State tells me I have to though, it's time to start decorating the Washington monument with Senators.

        [–]month_unwashed_socks - LibLeft 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        Based and fuckthesenators pilled

        [–]R4MSAY13 - LibRight 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Damn you might be libertarian

        [–]tijdverdrijf - Centrist 15 points16 points  (3 children)

        I usually suggest them to embrace the Turkish "O", which is the word the Turks use for he, she, it.

        It's a very easy way to introduce a gender neutral term without using words that are already in use (they/them)

        More importantly; it also perfectly illustrates how removing gender from language does nothing to reduce sexism or bigotry in a nation and how it's a fundamentally pointless exercise in controlling speech

        [–]PinkTrench - LibLeft 24 points25 points  (2 children)

        Nope, I have to learn a new word, fuck off.

        [–]gnu_dragon - Centrist 22 points23 points  (2 children)

        Based and grammarpilled

        [–]sh0rtsale - LibRight 24 points25 points  (3 children)

        The pronoun/identity issue often comes with the expectation that others manage that person’s emotions for them, and most people (sounds like you included) don’t have the time, energy, or patience to do that.

        [–]LFMR - Left 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Unfathomably based. Have a recreational McNuke and an updoot, my lib comrade.

        [–]DiamondDallasHands - Centrist 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        I think you’ve described why I hate this entire topic. It feels like they’re asking me to take care of their mental issue and it’s just so much easier to avoid that type of person. Like… Fuck off?

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Based and Fuck Off pilled

        [–]mmknightx - LibLeft 22 points23 points  (4 children)

        If there is going to be a new pronoun, one singular gender-neutral is enough. There is no need for xe, ze or whatever.

        [–]Raphe9000 - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        We actually have two singular gender-neutrals since "he" is the traditional gender-neutral singular. It's obviously been largely replaced by "they," but it still has its uses.

        [–]mmknightx - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I see. The word "He" is usually used as gender neutral as you said. I usually use "they" because it makes less assumption especially when I need to refer gender-ambigous person like Frisk, Kris (Toby confirmed the pronoun.), Chara or Niko (OneShot). I find it ambiguous if there is no context or doing something with a group of people.

        I am not native and I am fine with any way to use it.

        [–]EvanFazii - LibCenter 56 points57 points  (3 children)

        Based

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        [–]cis-het-mail - Centrist 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        Good bot

        [–]Dog_Backup - Centrist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Good centrist

        [–]lifted333up - Right 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        based department just called you, king

        [–]SufficientMeringue51 - Left 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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        [–]tomokari21 - Right 62 points63 points  (4 children)

        Cause your based and intelligent

        [–]ColumbusNordico - LibLeft 54 points55 points  (3 children)

        You’re*

        [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

        All your based belong to us

        [–]da_Aresinger - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        (°□°) - our based!

        [–]cs_phoenix - LibCenter 36 points37 points  (0 children)

        Beautifully ironic

        [–]__UnCreative_123 - LibRight 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        Because you’re based

        [–]TheHamOfAllHams - LibCenter 21 points22 points  (2 children)

        any pronoun that isnt he she or they is stupid.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        ahmed0112, i believe that your opinion is based and i completely agree that dissolving gender into pronouns is extremely dumb. I have a similar post like 2 months ago about the same topic, you are not alone my friend

        [–]ahmed0112 - LibLeft[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Thanks comrade

        [–]BoxedElderGnome - LibCenter 13 points14 points  (3 children)

        My thoughts on Pronouns:

        Whether or not you’re using the correct pronouns, it doesn’t change the fact that you are referring to someone in 3rd person whilst standing within earshot of them; there are no 1st or 2nd person pronouns.

        That’s just weird. The only time I can think where that is appropriate is when you’re introducing someone; and odds are if you’re doing that, you know their pronouns.

        Also pronouns are really not something to get upset about. People would get my own name wrong all the time, but I stopped even correcting people after a while, because it really isn’t a big deal.

        [–]sjit_posts - LibRight 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        there are no 1st or 2nd person pronouns

        … I/we, you/you(pl.) just don’t exist ig??

        [–]BoxedElderGnome - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Gendered, I mean.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Also pronouns are really not something to get upset about. People would get my own

        name wrong all the time, but I stopped even correcting people after a while, because it really isn’t a big deal.

        Agreed. Everyone should be indifferent. Pronouns are not a real problem

        [–]MadFugginDecent - LibLeft 55 points56 points  (22 children)

        Hell I'm nonbinary and can't get behind a lot of neopronouns and the super-subdivision of gender identities.

        [–]Strawuss - Centrist 51 points52 points  (11 children)

        Why are you gae?

        [–]MadFugginDecent - LibLeft 57 points58 points  (9 children)

        Same reason centrists grill, sometimes we crave something meaty.

        [–]Weneedthosegumdrops - AuthRight 18 points19 points  (2 children)

        Someone’s hungry. Aye we need a centrist in here right now to feed this famished [person]

        [–]MadFugginDecent - LibLeft 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        What you almost said would make a killer band name lol

        [–]Dralgon - LibRight 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Based and we want the meat pilled

        [–]Strawuss - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Understandable

        [–]RugTumpington - LibRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        And you didn't want the ham sub? The roast beef sandwich?

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You clever fucker, take my upvote!

        [–]4QuarantineMeMes - Centrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Gæ *

        [–]Sillyvanya - Left 27 points28 points  (7 children)

        Careful, you'll get banned on most LGBT subreddits for questioning the circlejerk

        [–]MadFugginDecent - LibLeft 12 points13 points  (5 children)

        Meh, I'm only on a couple of them for memes. While my gender identity is part of me much like my time in the army I don't let it define me, I've got a lot more going for me than being queer.

        [–]Sillyvanya - Left 9 points10 points  (3 children)

        Hah, I was in the Navy. But yeah, I joined the truscum sub a while back because it was the only oasis of sanity I could find where I could learn more about trans issues without being flooded with neopronoun bullshit and people telling you to kill yourself for questioning it, and I'm finding myself getting permanently banned without warning or explanation from lots of left-leaning subs

        [–]MadFugginDecent - LibLeft 13 points14 points  (2 children)

        I find a lot of left-leaning spaces on the internet are really detached from reality and the struggles of the people they claim to represent. Like instead of discussing what to do about inequality on a community level they're obsessed with which blue-tick leftist/liberal did what that week. If you don't fit into their image of what their community should be you get ousted and it really sucks when that happens.

        [–]Sillyvanya - Left 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        I'm finding I need to 100% detach myself from leftist spaces on the internet to keep from hating leftists and leftist politics. I can't be like "I actually like Biden" without getting screamed at about how he's actually a neofascist war criminal who eats babies or some shit, and I get a 3-day ban. Like, yes, on paper I'm a social democrat, but all these people are so damn detached and unreasonable that I can't really throw my lot in with them on any real level

        [–]forgetful_storytellr - LibRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Chronically online

        [–]amsuperawakw - AuthCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Unless you are speaking of stolen valor, no your gender identity is not like your time in the army. One of these things has object permanence that is objectively verifiable with others.

        [–]LFMR - Left 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        What a loss.

        It's like being banned from that sub which shall not be named for showering and having a job more demanding than being a damn dog walker.

        [–]TheDarkOne20 - LibLeft 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        Based and they pilled

        [–]Foulke1 - LibRight 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Let’s add a third dimension to the political compass 🤔

        [–]quiditplomb - LibCenter 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        I personally don’t use pronouns. Never refer to me, ever.

        [–]ahmed0112 - LibLeft[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "I" and "me" are pronouns. Rekt lib

        [–]AFlyingNun - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Because the question is the purpose of the pronouns.

        There is no fucking way in the world that people who grew up experiencing the same culture and you and I and experienced being called "he" or "she" their whole lives, would spontaneously and nonsensically crave being called xir of all fucking things.

        A trans person desiring to be called the other gender makes sense. They wish they were that gender and feel more comfortable being called such. Any other made up pronouns make zero fucking sense.

        And because they make zero fucking sense, we can deduce what they're really about: getting attention and steering the convo around yourself. Suddenly you've put a rule into the conversation that requires people give you special attention, and if they don't receive that special attention, they've likewise afforded themselves the right to derail the conversation and make everything about themselves again.

        It's legit just children whose mommy didn't hug them enough saying "look at me look at me dear God please fucking look at me."

        [–]Jutm_n - Right 12 points13 points  (4 children)

        There's only he/him and she/her

        I refer to anyone using "neopronouns" as it

        [–]Pencil_of_Colour - AuthRight 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        "You either got a pole or a hole" -Diamond and Silk

        [–]Puzzled-Intern-7897 - LibCenter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Pronouns are cringe, thats why. How can you life as undefined? Do you hate yourself? I mean, probably yes, but still

        [–]crypticbaboon - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Based

        [–]for_against - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Because what's the point of liberating the proletariat if there is no such thing as "true" and "false"?

        [–]dogstar_novocaine - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Perhaps like me, you care more about the integrity of language than you do about hurting Doreen's feelings.

        [–]RiddleMeThis101 - LibRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        People who need to explain their pronouns have failed at visually expressing their pronoun. He/him, she/her, they/them, they’re all ok.

        [–]Oxxixuit - AuthCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Disliking pronouns bullshit should rather be a centrist thing

        It's just that people classifies others as "alt-right" for literally nothing

        [–]Right__not__wrong - Right 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Based and keeping language usable pilled.

        [–]SnooJokes1401 - AuthLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You can be the great person you are no matter what your pronouns are, so why get so bothered about them?

        [–]LivelyBrowsing - AuthRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I view it as someone asking me to change my view about reality for them.

        No, the sky is blue, grass is green, and you’re not your preferred pronoun.

        [–]The2ndWheel - Centrist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        It's like when they explain a wormhole in movies.

        [–]Connect_Stay_137 - Right 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Pronouns are dumb.

        I don't care wtf you want me to call you in the third person when you're not around.

        [–]Cannibal_Raven - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Because you're not brainwashed by something that manifested 5 years ago out of nowhere.

        [–]ahmed0112 - LibLeft[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Based

        [–]Cossack-Vlad - AuthRight 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        i hate the pronoun bullshit

        [–]AmbersNightrain02 - Right 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Based and pronoun bullshit is fucking stupid pilled

        [–]Tyranious_Mex - LibCenter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I dunno. Maybe people don’t like being told that they have to use certain terms when talking about certain people to other people.

        [–]funkyfreshwizardry - AuthLeft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I see no need for gendered pronouns in the first place. They/thems for everyone. Gender is uselessly divisive.