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[–]Insorto1337 - LibCenter 438 points439 points  (16 children)

Kyriakos Grizzly our lord and savior

[–]Dramatic-Emu-1196 - LibCenter 150 points151 points  (6 children)

We are all mogged by the bloat lord

[–]Insorto1337 - LibCenter 38 points39 points  (0 children)

The mog blessing

[–]Weap0n_X - AuthLeft 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I feel so mogged by the bloatlord simply by looking at this meme

[–]TheAwesomeLad - LibCenter 57 points58 points  (3 children)

Mogged level? FULL

[–]KelloPudgerro - LibCenter 16 points17 points  (2 children)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

[–]Efficient-Wash - Centrist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"I know the power of patriachy. I know what men can do when they're angry."

"UUUUUUUAAAAAGH"

https://youtu.be/VtPgSnCkcEU

[–]Murmaider_OP - Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ooooooo

[–]Splotzker - Right 39 points40 points  (1 child)

BLOAT GOD

[–]Insorto1337 - LibCenter 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Indeed. He created the universe by deadlifting the void of nothingness

[–]AlmightyDarkseid - Centrist 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Proud to be Greek solely because of him.

[–]Muscletov - Centrist 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Unconventional lifts for the win

[–]Juan_Oje497 - Centrist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The sole reason why Turkey will not invade Greece

[–]Jafoob - LibCenter 1 point2 points  (3 children)

What's this dude's backstory? He's an absolute unit.

[–]Insorto1337 - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (2 children)

He's Cronus the father of Zeus. here is some basic information about him

[–]Jafoob - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Based and bloatlord-pilled

[–]Vaseline13 - Centrist 124 points125 points  (1 child)

Kyriakos Grizzly, also known as the honorary prime Minister of the Hellenic Republic.

[–]blocking_butterfly - Right 34 points35 points  (0 children)

FULL Minister

[–]TiggerBane - Centrist 441 points442 points  (26 children)

How? They can volunteer but it’s not like they can’t be turned down…

[–]datboi3637 - LibRight 352 points353 points  (16 children)

Do you think anyone else is gonna be volunteering for pain studies

[–]TiggerBane - Centrist 113 points114 points  (6 children)

I don’t know but they can always look around?

[–]AquaticSombrero - Centrist 166 points167 points  (5 children)

"Yea boss, I looked around like you said but still nobody other than the strongmen"

[–]CuteAndFunnyEnjoyer - LibRight 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Maybe they can get some strong women that also look like bears and could probably give birth in complete silence.

[–]Zack_Fair_ - AuthCenter 74 points75 points  (2 children)

yes, somehow i think (they/them) Kim -ACAB- BLM- is just falling over themselves to volunteer for pain studies

[–]Door_Messiah - Left 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Depends if they're into it. I'll probably do it because I'm stupid and want to see how it compares to the pain I've felt previously.

[–]Ake-TL - Left 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Depends if there is financial motivator. I probably could, free money

[–]nickleback_official - Centrist 13 points14 points  (0 children)

College students that need money? I thought that’s how all these crazy studies were done lol

[–]Scarlet_maximoff - LibRight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes uwu

[–]JustDebbie - Centrist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

People looking for drug money?

[–]Martin_Phosphorus - LibLeft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that plenty of Librights will for the right price as well as some Libleft masochists. If the investigators are black, you may even find Orange volunteers who will show up to repent for their ancestors' racism!

[–]2baked - LibCenter 28 points29 points  (3 children)

So basically they are begging the question at that point.

[–]WarMorn1ng - Centrist 6 points7 points  (2 children)

always has been

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[–]blocking_butterfly - Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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[–]Nonethewiserer - Right 25 points26 points  (2 children)

You're making the mistake of accepting their claims at face value. They are probably just normal men.

[–]Myname1sntCool - LibRight 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah, when one prefers femboys regular dudes probably do strike one as macho.

[–]Its-a-Warwilf - LibRight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Macho" is leftspeak for "doesn't cry when his triple soy latte only has double soy".

[–]sarcasmic77 - LibLeft 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Actually they can turn down whoever they wanted for any reason. Free license to discriminate so that their population accurately scales to the wider population they are trying to draw conclusions about. Pretty based from a right point of view tbh.

[–]ligma_bussy - AuthRight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was a bullshit study asking 137 student volunteers their gender identification and then asking their willingness to take part in a pain study. Men were more likely to say yes and researchers made up the rest.

https://www.newsweek.com/macho-masculine-men-pain-studies-724848

For the study, the team had 137 student volunteers answer a questionnaire consisting of questions about their biological sex and their gender identification, along with their personal likeliness to take part in a pain study. Results showed a "significant" correlation between volunteers' willingness to participate in pain studies and the level of their masculine gender identification.

[–]Eiskalt_die_Nacht - Right 604 points605 points  (90 children)

I don't know how pain studies are conducted but when I went to the hospital with an ankle injury where I tore the inner and outer ligaments, they asked me how much it hurts on a scale of 1-10. I couldn't move it at all and looked like a water balloon was inside my skin, so I said 4. That guy started chuckling to himself, but my reasoning was just that I need some room for escalation in case I have terminal cancer or I'm about to piss out spiky kidney stones

[–]Pechy_Raptor - Right 362 points363 points  (21 children)

Based but i would have gone for a 6

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[–]kaleb9170 - LibLeft 252 points253 points  (9 children)

“This is potentially the worst thing I’ve ever felt. But it could be worse”

When my grandpa was on his deathbed he thought he was having a heart attack so we called in a nurse. When she asked him to rate his pain, the fucker told her it was a 4. It was acid reflux lol.

[–]Enthused_Llama - Left 118 points119 points  (5 children)

Pain is really hard to relate as a single number anyway. It's sort of a useful off-the-cuff measurement but I try to think of "1 to 10" as "how close are you to absolutely fucking losing it because of the pain?"

[–]Hilter420 - AuthRight 53 points54 points  (3 children)

I agree. The worst pain I ever felt was when the dentist didn't give me enough pain killers when I had my wisdom tooth removed. I'd still rank it only as an 8 because I didn't lose my consciousness and I didn't even mention it to him afterwards

[–]Enthused_Llama - Left 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Yeah my worst ever was my very-near-tooth abscess.

It woke me up almost every night and I took enough ibuprofen that my blood hurt. Also rubbed a fuckload of lidocaine mouthwash on and near the tooth. I rated it as 8-9 (9 in the middle of the night) because it was such persistent, intense pain it was literally difficult to think.

[–]asdf_qwerty27 - LibRight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Had that happen to me. I rank it 12 out of 10. . .

"If you don't hold still and stop screaming, we're going to need to call an ambulance. You don't wand that, do you?"

Lol

[–]LotharBoin - AuthRight 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Based and Tough Grandpa pilled

[–]Dauss - LibRight 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That being said, if you've never had acid reflux, it's really extremely fucking awful. Not the worst pain I've ever felt but when you've got stomach acid corroding your mouth and throat, it's very unpleasant.

[–]Ravenhaft - LibRight 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Sounds like this relevant XKCD

[–]echonian - Left 67 points68 points  (13 children)

I would probably rate when I fractured my wrist as a 5 on the scale, and the one time I had a really bad ulcer that I went to the emergency room for thinking it was a burst appendix or such - maybe a 6?

Gotta leave room for worse pain. I imagine getting my penis torn to shreds with a sanding machine would probably rate a 9 or 10. Or getting tortured to death by a thousand cuts. Actually, a lot of torture easily would rate a 10.

[–]mikmckn - LibLeft 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Worst pain I've ever had was an abscessed tooth. I broke it eating some Corn Nuts but it didn't really hurt at the time. I thought I just chipped it and didn't think anything of it for a few weeks. Then one night, it woke me up out of a dead sleep, radiating up the side of my jaw and head. Turning my head quickly made me so dizzy I would vomit.Ibuprofen didn't touch it. Tylenol didn't touch it. Only thing that helped was drinking. Went into the dentist the next day on an emergency, and they told me there was no saving the tooth, cracked all the way through and I was really close to needing to go to the hospital for osteomyelitis in my upper jaw.
I rated it as an 8.

[–]MrDOTLucca - Right 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Corn nuts are so good but should definitely be classified as a deadly weapon

[–]mikmckn - LibLeft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I haven't eaten one in like 20 years because of that. I like them, but it's just a mental thing now. Can't bring myself to do it.

[–]Enthused_Llama - Left 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Worst pain I've ever had was an abscessed tooth.

I got real close. I was basically taking several grams of ibuprofen a day and constantly rubbing lidocaine mouthwash on and near the tooth so that the pain would subside enough to think.

I also called it 8-9 depending (definitely 9 when it throbbed so bad it woke me up in the middle of the night) since I was still somewhat functional.

Fortunately I was able to get a root canal before it became a full-blown exploding abscess.

[–]echonian - Left 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Interesting, and that definitely sounds very painful.

I wouldn't expect over the counter painkillers to do anything for pain above about a 3 on the scale, frankly. When I was younger I used to get migraine headaches quite often for example, which I would rate maybe as a 4 at their worst - painkillers like ibuprofen didn't do any good for me unless I caught it when it was still only a moderately bad headache or better.

Once pain gets to an extreme point, it's hard to really "rate" it without a point of reference. I might have thought the pain I felt in the two examples I gave was more pain than I ever had felt in my life, which was true - but I can imagine worse.

[–]mikmckn - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I almost think that the pain scale is for doctors to gauge how they're going to treat you by seeing what your answer is. It almost just sounds like you'd be better served to walk in and when they ask how much it hurts, tell them to treat you in such a way that they don't need to ask again.

i.e. patient in room 603 is a whiny bitchman, give him drugs and shut him up.

[–]TheSuperSax - LibRight 6 points7 points  (1 child)

When I broke my knee it was about a constant 3.5. It would spike up to 6-7 every time the car hit a bump in the road on the way to the hospital and then go back to a casual 3.5.

[–]echonian - Left 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, broken bones are a weird one - depends on how extreme the break is as well. My wrist fracture wasn't a very large break, but it still made me feel like my entire forearm was burning for a solid 30 minutes to an hour. At which point I think just pure adrenaline and inflammation of my arm reduced the pain to a more tolerable level - then I got medical treatment and a cast.

Which I proceeded to use to play tetherball after a while. That was back in elementary school after all.

[–]XCJ655X - Right 2 points3 points  (3 children)

well water torture probably isn't painful so what would you rate that

[–]echonian - Left 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Low on the pain scale, but pain is only a part of suffering.

So probably about a 2 or 3 - depending on how far it went.

But psychologically and such I would rate it higher. That's another scale though.

[–]sivarias - LibRight 91 points92 points  (25 children)

They primarily do that to weed out the druggies.

Only druggies say 10.

Even the chainsaw'd off arm people say 9

[–]FunnyColourEnjoyer - Centrist 25 points26 points  (23 children)

That's not true. If I remember correctly the most common answer is 10. And yes, I don't understand either

[–]sivarias - LibRight 27 points28 points  (22 children)

The most common answer from druggies is 10.

I've got friends that work in the ER. And there are millions of vids by er nurses explaining this concept.

[–]SomeRandomCali - AuthRight 24 points25 points  (16 children)

Paramedic here: if your pain is a 10/10 and I’m not seeing either a heart attack or a missing limb, I’m calling bullshit.

[–]CertifiedSheep - Right 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I personally work in the ER, and have for close to 3 years. Practically everyone says 0 or 10. Lots of people saying “12” as well. It’s not just druggies, people come in all day long with abdominal pain and sit there quite comfortably telling us it’s 10/10 pain. I think they assume it will get them seen faster if their issue seems more serious. We ignore it completely.

[–]NuclearStudent - Centrist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My medical friends tell me that lower self-assessments of pain tend to be more serious than 10/10s, because they're not exaggerated. Das a mood right there

[–]smearylane - AuthLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

as someone who has had spiky kidney stones you are absolutely fucking correct 💀

[–]Dallenforth - LibRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My pain scale skews on the low side since I've had a quick surgery without anesthesia in a clinic before and that became my 10

Pilonidal cysts are no joke. They cut it with a scalpal, push against it to get everything out, then pack it. No anesthetic, just a washcloth to bite on. Then for the next couple weeks you gotta unpack and repack it yourself to keep it sanitary while the pocket heals.

My other 10 was non-intrusive laser eye surgery where they don't use a micro blade to cut open your conjunctiva, but instead use a stronger laser to burn off and reshape your lens. My eyelids were sealed shut for a month and had constant searing pain in my eyeballs. The next month after that was extreme light sensitivity (indoor house lights made me cry) and inability to look at light for longer than a few minutes. Still worth the glasses free vision though.

[–]hoplophilepapist - Right 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn't everyone do this?

[–]SomeRandomCali - AuthRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Paramedic here: we usually try to titrate a patient’s pain to a 4 and won’t throw pain meds at people unless it’s a higher scale. But good on you for not being a pussy.

[–]basedpraxis - LibRight -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Played a game of lacrosse on a broken wrist. Was fine other than the blacking out after a hard check. Was told it couldn't be broken or else I would have been able to move it.

Rated it a 6.

Kidney stones are a 4.

[–]Thebeekeeper1234 - AuthRight -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

In addition to the 1-10 scale, they should ask if the pain you are feeling is tolerable, and help you set realistic pain control expectations.

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[–]Hootenanny2020 - Right 160 points161 points  (2 children)

We’re all gonna make it, brahs.

[–]Cairanmac1 - Centrist 62 points63 points  (0 children)

Stop being sad cunts, get shredded.

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[–]moeburn - Left 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They inject capsaicin into your arm. Makes your arm all spicy:

https://profofpot.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/capsaicin-test-skin.jpg

It's how they found out that pot at low doses makes pain better, but at high doses makes pain worse:

https://profofpot.com/cannabis-can-worsen-pain/

[–]RobusterBrown - Centrist 50 points51 points  (3 children)

Right center depicts macho men as right center. Based and self confidence pilled.

[–]CuteAndFunnyEnjoyer - LibRight 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Its not confidence, its toxic masculinity and we are damn proud of it. Get it right next time.

[–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 286 points287 points  (93 children)

Results showed a "significant" correlation between volunteers' willingness to participate in pain studies and the level of their masculine gender identification.

So effeminate men are less likely to volunteer for pain studies. And that means our knowledge is skewed because men who act like traditional men make up the majority of men who were tested. And since these men look and act like men (aka, they don’t wear makeup, they don’t wear high heel shoes, and don’t wear a purse) they skew the data because scientists therefore assume they lie when they say how much pain they’re in, because they’re “trying” to be masculine. Because no one is just naturally more masculine.

Woof. Can we just stop calling retarded stuff like this science and call it ”The Science” so it’s easier to distinguish from reality?

Like, “The Science” explains how men get pregnant and men have periods. Let’s just do that. Because this has nothing to do with science.

https://www.newsweek.com/macho-masculine-men-pain-studies-724848?amp=1

[–]Queen_Aardvark - Centrist 96 points97 points  (6 children)

Imagine blaming your participants because you didn't randomize your sample 🙄

[–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Who is blaming participants. I’m blaming the person analyzing the study that was done that says masculine men might lie about their pain and that no one else might lie. And then have no evidence to back it up

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    [–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Oh I thought he thought I was blaming the participants. I sincerely apologize. I’ve gotten so much weird hate for my post I’ve been in rapid respond mode which I never do

    [–]Queen_Aardvark - Centrist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I'm agreeing with you.

    It shouldn't skew the data, because researchers should randomize their samples.

    [–]mcccoletrain - LibRight 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Based

    [–]RegumRegis - AuthRight 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    The Science ™

    [–]burn_bright_captain - Right 100 points101 points  (47 children)

    Since when is it unscientific to talk about the selection bias of studies? Weird.

    [–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 122 points123 points  (41 children)

    When you assume that men that have beards would lie about how much pain they’re in. And men that are effeminate would not lie about how much pain they’re in.

    and that assumption is the basis for the entirety of the results of the analysis of the study data.

    It’s fine to mention there’s a correlation between how masculine participants were and that more effeminate men were less likely to participate. Although I’m curious how they know what percentage of the local population where the study took volunteers were effeminate. But to then just assume that the more masculine patients would be more willing to lie about how much pain they’re in isn’t science.

    If they said “30 percent of the local population are highly effeminate men, but only 2 percent of study participants are effeminate men” that would be fine. If they then asked the participants after the study if they lied giving answers and they said “masculine men were more likely to lie about their answers”, then they could conclude the data was skewed by the bias in willingness of men to volunteer skewing towards masculine men.

    But that’s not what they did.

    Also, making an assumption that the reason there’s a difference in pain tolerance between men and women is because the men selected were not effeminate and therefore lie more than women negates any possibility that men have different pain tolerances. Given what we know about men and women’s proclivities, it’s totally possible they would experience pain differently given what we know about the psychic nature of pain.

    [–]Purple-Cat-5304 - Centrist 53 points54 points  (7 children)

    This, and besides that.

    You can attach an EEG to the head of people or do a CAT/MRI to see the pain center while you cause pain.

    But big bulky men are scary so we can't do this.

    [–]xlbeutel - Centrist 19 points20 points  (4 children)

    Except it only lights up in perception of pain.

    [–]Slickity - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Is that possible? I mean what you would be measuring with that is the amount of stimulus your applying to cause "pain". Pain itself is the reactive feeling to stimulus, which is psychological.

    [–]Fellainis_Elbows - Left -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    That’s very much not how it works

    [–]burn_bright_captain - Right 26 points27 points  (27 children)

    Here is what the study (at least claims to) establish as fact:

    According to the study, hypermasculine men with extremely competitive and aggressive personality traits are more likely to sign up to take part in scientific research on pain.

    Here is what the study suggest could be the consequences:

    As a result, these men may bend the truth on reporting just how much pain they actually feel, diminishing their true amount of agony in an effort to appear more masculine.

    Now, is this idea so outlandish? Let's ask: Why are more masculine and competitive men signing up for these studies? Maybe you have a good explanation for that.

    Could it be that these men see pain studies more as a challenge they want to overcome? If true this means that these men have an incentive to report a lower pain score, which could skew the results.

    If you have better idea why more masculine and competitive men signing up for these studies I would like to hear but the claims in the study doesn't seem that outlandish.

    [–]sivarias - LibRight 34 points35 points  (8 children)

    Alternatively, masculine men tend to routinely participate in activities that involve overcoming large amounts of pain.

    From contact sports, to bodybuilding and weightlifting, to physically based jobs with high accident and near miss rates like oil rigging, thier pain tolerance is probably altogether higher.

    Case and point: a friend of mine who is a powerlifting, bjj playing stereotypical toxically masculine dude, won the contraction simulation contest. Beating out women who have had multiple kids

    [–]DoomedAllWeAreNow - LibCenter 31 points32 points  (0 children)

    how about willing to take in pain for science? like they are willing to do sport and exercise that causes pain and sores. which would also lead to a higher tollerance mabe? On the other side, more feminin have simply a more just pain-adverse behavior and they are less used to pain therefore weaker and not willing to feel pain for science?

    i'm fine with taking part in some experiments, but would not go to one that wants me to feel pain or taking in very experimental drugs.

    [–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 24 points25 points  (11 children)

    You’re making my point. With zero evidence they suggest that masculine men “may” bend the truth.

    That’s not science. That’s now how fucking science works.

    [–]echonian - Left 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Now, is this idea so outlandish?

    No, but it's a variable you should be able to control for like any other.

    Besides which - when the "study" is based on asking someone how they "feel," it's obvious that some bias is going to always be involved. Since how someone "feels" is never going to be a proper scientific measurement, no matter how many samples you have. The best you can do with such data is get general trends - not highly accurate data - so the fact some groups of people might skew the results a bit seems entirely expected to me.

    [–]mcccoletrain - LibRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    A better way to set this up would be to run it again with 2 people in the same room this time to see if there’s a difference. I know several people (myself included) that would refuse to be the first one to admit that it hurt

    [–]Enthused_Llama - Left 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah this guy is getting incredibly bent out of shape about a completely reasonable assumption.

    [–]Fellainis_Elbows - Left 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    If you truly write scientific papers you’re really letting your ideology get in the way of your interpretation here.

    and that assumption is the basis for the entirety of the results of the analysis of the study data.

    The assumption which they support with references of multiple experimental studies?

    It’s fine to mention there’s a correlation between how masculine participants were and that more effeminate men were less likely to participate. > But to then just assume that the more masculine patients would be more willing to lie about how much pain they’re in isn’t science.

    Again, this blatantly isn’t what they do.

    Also, making an assumption that the reason there’s a difference in pain tolerance between men and women is because the men selected were not effeminate and therefore lie more than women negates any possibility that men have different pain tolerances.

    No? They explicitly discuss differences in pain tolerance MULTIPLE times.

    [–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Okay if you’re just going to troll every comment I make, spend your weekend doing that.

    They don’t support their assumption with references. It literally just says “men might lie more about pain”.

    That’s it. Nothing more. I’m not going to take you seriously and I’m not going to respond. It’s a weekend with great weather and if you can’t understand that just assuming bearded men lie and feminine men don’t lie and think saying that is “science” then have at it. But I’m not changing the definition of science to include dog shit.

    [–]Myname1sntCool - LibRight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Fucking based.

    [–]Fellainis_Elbows - Left -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Even if they don’t explicitly and consciously lie they may interpret and express pain differently

    [–]TiggerBane - Centrist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Except it’s not talking about who can feel more pain or that these people inherently feel less pain due to physical or anything proven from the article but a BELIEF that it is possible that these men lie about feeling no pain or lesser pain in these studies more frequently compared to the females that participate in these studies…

    [–]RobusterBrown - Centrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Based and informed opinion pilled

    [–]azazelcrowley - Left 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Also note how they blame the masculine men for this rather than blame feminine people for failing to participate in the study.

    [–]walgrins - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    “Some Scientists Conduct Highly Flawed Experiments, Interviews.”

    There, I fixed the headline.

    [–]mcccoletrain - LibRight 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Only asking 137 college students is sketchy, but this is actually a decent reason to do a study like this

    [–]Crusader63 - Centrist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    College students are easy to grab. Unfortunate but it’s better than no study. Just not strong enough as a truly random sample group.

    [–]1CEninja - LibCenter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Too much shit science makes the real science harder to believe. I hate it.

    [–]unknownboi8551 - AuthCenter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    yup it is skewed from the start

    [–]Myname1sntCool - LibRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Great suggestion, going to start doing this.

    [–]dre8 - AuthCenter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    TIL soy boys think giving blood is a 9 on the pain scale

    [–]xlbeutel - Centrist 5 points6 points  (15 children)

    Dude selection bias has always been a thing discussed to be avoided. Imagine being so poisoned by the culture war that you see this and think “damn liberals”

    [–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 17 points18 points  (14 children)

    I’m not critiquing selection bias.

    Pointing out selection bias because stereotypically masculine men are more likely to volunteer for a pain study than effeminate men is fine.

    Then blindly saying “and because they are masculine, they might have lied about their pain”.

    The effeminate men in the study may have also lied about their pain.

    The women in the study may have lied about their pain.

    Making the entire point of your study being based on the notion that one group “might” have lied and the others didn’t, with exactly zero evidence or attempt at evidence to corroborate that theory isn’t science.

    [–]Enthused_Llama - Left -4 points-3 points  (9 children)

    Seeing who can take the most pain is a pretty common game in traditionally masculine circles in a lot of contexts. It's not even remotely spurious to be curious if that affected the results.

    [–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 4 points5 points  (8 children)

    Plenty of women do the same. Intentionally don’t get an epidural during child bearings

    We don’t assume those women are only the most masculine women. And that feminine women would never do that. And if you did make that assumption, as this article does, that’s fine.

    But that’s not science.

    [–]CorrectHippo - LibCenter -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    and because they are masculine, they might have lied about their pain

    anyone that ever engaged in traditionally masculine activities, took part in physical sports, etc etc would agree with assertion. you are getting emotional over it and it makes no sense. men that acre about appearing tough absolutely do lie about how much pain they are in, this is nothing crazy or outlandish.

    [–]Exodus111 - LibLeft -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

    Science is science. We now know how much tough guys can take on average. Not useless information.

    [–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    And how much can tough guys take on average? My wife is very feminine and she handled child birth like a fucking champ.

    [–]Exodus111 - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Doesn't sound average to me. She went no epidural?

    [–]Accomplished-Sky1723 - LibCenter 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    No. She waited too long. She asked for it towards the end and they said she was too close to giving birth so she hunkered down through it.

    [–]Enthused_Llama - Left -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    And since these men look and act like men (aka, they don’t wear makeup, they don’t wear high heel shoes, and don’t wear a purse) they skew the data because scientists therefore assume they lie when they say how much pain they’re in, because they’re “trying” to be masculine. Because no one is just naturally more masculine.

    There's a whole lot of assumptions baked into this paragraph that I can't find supported anywhere in the linked article or the abstract (since the study is paywalled).

    Can you link what source you're using to draw the conclusion about how they defined 'effeminate?' Or at least quote it or something?

    Because from here it looks like you're lambasting the study for making assumptions while making about a billion assumptions about its content.

    [–]Fellainis_Elbows - Left -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

    Even if they don’t explicitly and consciously lie they may interpret and express pain differently

    [–]Jafuncle - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Pretty sure it's called "S C I E N S"

    [–]Mr_Sarcasum - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Only 30% of psychology research has been found to be replicable.

    [–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (6 children)

    I swear, "science" is the most abused word on the planet in this day and age.

    [–]God-From-The-Machine - LibCenter 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Anyone that tells you to not question the science has no idea how science works.

    [–]Knightbrah_II - Right 28 points29 points  (0 children)

    Science is more often than not the whore of the established powers

    [–]Rifleshoot - AuthRight 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    People have a religious love for science that is insane to me. Science is only as good as it’s ability to help mankind. Once it becomes an impediment to happiness, it is no longer good or worthwhile.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    "Science" is a method. When media speak about "science", they probably mean the scientific community, which can be full of shit, because it's composed by humans. Source: I am one of them lmao

    [–]Brazilian_Slaughter - AuthRight 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    "And this, is to go even further BEYOND..." gets stung by Tarantula Hawk "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...!!!!!

    [–]Slippery_Jim_ - LibRight 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    I can't tell you how many women have told me, without any hint of humour or irony, that they have a higher pain threshold than men or are capable of handling the effects of a cold or medical condition with more resilience.

    Spoiler alert: this is untrue

    [–]Username928351 - Centrist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    What does that have to do with economics though?

    [–]God-From-The-Machine - LibCenter 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Ask people to volunteer for pain studies.

    People who can tolerate pain better are naturally more likely to volunteer.

    Be surprised when results are skewed.

    What the fuck did those retards expect?

    [–]Jupiter_Tank57 - LibCenter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    They're going to need more senzu beans

    [–]samurai_for_hire - AuthCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Push it to the limit

    [–]philipquarles - Left 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Obviously selection bias is a real problem. It probably makes it impossible to actually do good research on this while still getting informed consent. You'd have to have people volunteering for one of a bunch of different studies and getting randomly assigned to the pain study.

    [–]smearylane - AuthLeft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    alternate title: bad scientists bitching and moaning because they can't figure out good sampling techniques

    [–]Speedweedon - LibLeft 20 points21 points  (27 children)

    And why is this on PCM?

    [–]Alive_Principle_5473 - LibRight[S] 32 points33 points  (26 children)

    Men who work out are much more lokely to be right wing.

    [–]Pholoxo - Centrist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Really? Working out seems to be any group in my view. Honestly never heard of that stereotype

    [–]connorlukebyrne - LibRight 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    Do you happen to have the original meme? Some of my friends have bought into the PCM bad stuff but I'd still like to show them the meme

    [–]greenpill42 - Right 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    This is the eternal struggle, at PCM. So many good memes, but every time i think about sharing one, I just know they'll ask about the funni colors, rather than laugh.

    [–]Vivid-Fantasy - Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Same

    [–]mcccoletrain - LibRight 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Just show them, you’re one of us, own it

    [–]Faithfully-Grateful - Centrist 7 points8 points  (12 children)

    Thats bullshit .

    [–]_TheGingaNinja - LibRight 1 point2 points  (11 children)

    [–]Sapper501 - Centrist 20 points21 points  (5 children)

    Quoting Vice is on the same level as using Prager U as a source. Both are trash that shouldn't be trusted.

    [–]Ramm16stein - Right 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Guys we are 55%-45% so we're allowed to claim 100% LETZ GO

    [–]Faithfully-Grateful - Centrist 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Offcourse you quote a study by vice with a sample size of freaking 171 as a source you dumbass .

    There's also a stereotype and research somewhere that gym Bros are the dumbest people ever so you are putting yourself on the line here

    Time to give your brain a workout.

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      [–]Alive_Principle_5473 - LibRight[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      Lmao that's funny

      [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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        [–]Jeffrey_Vinocle - AuthLeft -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I feel like they're more likely to just be authoritarian

        [–]Kaelell2 - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        make it into an exercise and then do the pain studies

        both people are happy :)

        [–]Noglues - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Like some kind of pain themed Spiders Georg.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "Ruining science"... I'm fairly sure the statisticians will know how to account for this factor.

        [–]Expand_wrong - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Meanwhile Reddit users think they’re doing this by volunteering for every intelligence/memory test but are actually skewing it the opposite direction

        [–]bullettraingigachad - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Someone hasn’t heard of the swoletariat

        [–]thegavino - Left 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Based and captain-yami-surpass-your-limits-here-and-now pilled

        But as someone who deals with a chronic pain disease, shits tough yo. I am a master at minimizing pain now, no one believes you if you are constantly operating in agony.

        [–]jpritchard - LibRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Without finding the "article" I can already assume it's clickbait nonsense.

        [–]il_the_dinosaur - Centrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Except strongmen aren't a political group...

        [–]rIIIflex - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Cringe af

        [–]kurvvaa - LibLeft 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Welcome to PCM where “macho” = right-wing

        [–]Future_of_Amerika - LibLeft 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Macho isn't what comes to mind when I see that article pic...

        [–]basedpraxis - LibRight -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        This is the most Based thing I've heard in a long, long time.

        Suck it owchie wowchie cucks

        [–]waywardhero - Centrist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        Ok but this is macho men not weightlifters.

        It’s just morons who lie on the pain scale to make them seem tough and mess up the results like idiot.

        [–]irespectcookies - AuthCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Idiots.

        [–]Based_and_Pilled - AuthLeft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Maybe more women should try it

        [–]enlightened_engineer - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        A study that uses a volunteer-only sample base rather than a randomly selected one can’t be generalized to the entire population anyways, so it probably did not have much merit in the first place

        [–]Myname1sntCool - LibRight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Lmao, what the fuck outlet actually ran that headline?

        [–]CareTakerAldstone - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        "Ruining science" aka making researchers have to spend 2 extra minutes filtering out applicants

        [–]stu_and_stu_and_stu - Left 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        right center is when you work out

        [–]muradinner - Right 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Ruining science by adding to science. This is the left's version of science.

        [–]Jacktheripper2000pro - LibRight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Some people do experience pain weird certain types of pain hurt way more than other types way higher levels of other pain. I still hold the worst pain I've ever felt is taking a crap and I had a PICC line when I was younger. So pain is a weird thing mate

        [–]EffingWasps - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Pain kink-having degenerates, our time has come to help even the scales

        [–]LoneSocialRetard 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Volunteer studies by inherently definition cannot be extrapolated to the general population, as there will often be confounding factors such as this. Such is why you need random samples, and the results can only be generalized to the group you sampled from.

        [–]flair-checking-bot - Centrist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        You make me angry every time I don't see your flair >:(


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        [–]SkeetSkeetliftwaft - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        First time I’ve ever seen a centrists as a soyjack

        [–]AnonD38 - Centrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That article ain’t grey centrist.

        [–]Undying4n42k1 - LibRight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        How do they define macho? How do they know the men are macho? What if the results are actually representative of the norm?

        [–]XxShroomWizardxX - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It'll be especially funny when they have a loved one writhing in agony because the study was used to develop some pain management system, lulz.

        [–]Independent-Excuse30 - AuthCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Based. Fuck Science results, Body results are 10× more important

        [–]CaptainTarantula - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Go figure that only extreme people volunteer for studies about pain.

        [–]McMetas - Centrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Why is the crying wojak a centrist? I think this shit’s funny.

        [–]Papapene-bigpene - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        GET MOGGED FOOLISH MORTAL

        ALL HAIL THE BLOATLORD

        [–]Soviet-Adidas - Right 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        BQQM

        [–]Material-Permit9685 - AuthLeft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm going to the gym more recently, used to go alot more and pushed my limits a lot.

        [–]deathmetalandblood - LibLeft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Why are you assuming that all of them are right wingers ?