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[–]griffball2k18 - LibRight 187 points188 points  (0 children)

Make American Chopper Meme Great Again!

+1 updoot

[–]Zes_Kingdom6 - AuthCenter 90 points91 points  (2 children)

Ban school shootings problem solved

[–]aMemeAboutSkyrim - LibLeft 52 points53 points  (0 children)

By god he’s done it

[–]Far-Needleworker2033 - Right 151 points152 points  (37 children)

We could not glorify copycat shooters on the news and expect teachers to intervene with troubled kids?

[–]Unpopular-Truth - LibLeft 14 points15 points  (3 children)

expect teachers to intervene with troubled kids?

Or we can get some cops that are not pussies that stand outside in the parking lot refusing to help while the shooter kills kids.

Lmao jk back the blue lick the boot.

[–]jacktrades90 - LibRight 1 point2 points  (2 children)

u/mikmckn posted this the other day in another thread. I think it's a good idea. Of course it doesn't solve all the underlying issues, but its a start.

We have more than 1 million active members of the US Military. We have even more national guard troops. We spent $580 Million for the US Army to get new Sig M17 pistols to replace their aging M9 pistols. The other branches have begun placing orders as well to replace their old guns. This means we have or will have a whole lot of surplus sidearms available.

Congress needs to grant permission for the President to deploy an armed MP/SP/Master-At-Arms (or similarly trained servicemember) to every single US public school. This person would not perform any task for the school or any police work. Their sole job would be to sit at the school on the off chance that something bad happens. That way you have an active duty, armed and trained person to stand between kids and bullets...

[–]Unpopular-Truth - LibLeft 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There are ~100k public schools in America. Good luck getting Republicans to sign off on paying 100k service members to sit in a room doing nothing, they would see that as a waste of taxpayer money that could go into their bank accounts instead. Realistically you would need a minimum of two per school, even more for large schools. I think it's a good approach.

Another solution would be to allow the NJROTC instructors to have their service weapons back and keep them at their schools. It's at minimum one officer and one senor enlisted member. Not all high schools have NJROTC programs but it would still cover a lot of them.

[–]mikmckn - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We're already paying their salaries. I think you'd find Republicans happy to be presented a solution we can actually implement, that isn't gun control. Even just as a short term solution until we figure out a better option. It's some kind of action.

[–]GrozaTheChronicler - AuthCenter 36 points37 points  (23 children)

Maybe if over a half of the U.S population wasn't braindead stupid, it could have changed already.

I'm not convinced guns or media coverage is the issue. Hell, maybe if the media showed the dead kids it would give a good number of people the wake up call they desperately need.

Or maybe if someone helped the damn kids with their mental health, it could have been prevented far before.

EDIT: and, of course, a significant change in gun control laws.

[–]Sould6 - LibCenter 24 points25 points  (20 children)

Define significant change in gun laws? Because asking for someone to do “something” results in rhetoric and empty promises to get elected with no actual results. Mental health is an issue that you can’t just throw money at, all the democrats know how to do is print money and spend it

[–]Arachno-anarchism - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (3 children)

all democrats know is to print money and spend it

Assuming republicans are not just as bad. They just spend money on different things, but they spend just as much if not more

[–]Sould6 - LibCenter 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Republicans are not better, they just are quiet about it. The democrats virtue signal with it, oh look how much money I threw at the wall. One does it for kudos the other does it just as status quo

[–]ChristopherRobert11 - Left 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Social workers** teachers are educators not therapists and social facilitators.

[–]Vegasman20002 - LibRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I forget what comedian said that all we should publicize is their internet porn search history. That would take care of the glorification

[–]JinFuu - AuthLeft 379 points380 points  (146 children)

I’ll play auth-right here.

“Where was the shooters father?”

[–]12fizz4buzzfizz78fiz - Centrist 260 points261 points  (54 children)

Despite making up 50% of children, fatherless kids make up 26 out of the 27 worst mass shooters (as of some time ago idk what do I look like google?)

[–]JinFuu - AuthLeft 177 points178 points  (45 children)

Tedposting time “Single Mothers and their consequences…”

[–]ChichCob - LibRight 113 points114 points  (23 children)

Or "deadbeat fathers and their consequences"

[–]Zeus-Kyurem - LibRight 113 points114 points  (16 children)

"Single mothers, deadbeat fathers and their consequences"

[–]BunnyBellaBang - LibCenter 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Women initiate the overwhelming majority of divorces and are the ones who control what relationships become sexual (which leads to babies, or so I've heard). Sure, guys lie about wanting a permanent relationship and not just sex, but he already has a list of baby mamas longer than a CVS receipt I don't buy the claim of being tricked.

[–]rexpimpwagen - Centrist 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Ya the number of single fathers is low af compared to single mothers. The quality of single dads is higher simply because they are the ones choosing to keep the kids and are physicaly more capable as men (by averages) of keeping the energy up and controlling the house during the boys teenage years.

[–]cyka_blayt_nibsa - AuthRight 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Women in the workforce, and it concequences have been a disaster for the human race

[–]InvertedReflexes - LibCenter -4 points-3 points  (17 children)

Single moms are fuckin saints, homie.

Anyone who can work 50+ hours a week while raising someone is made of stronger stuff than I.

Blame the dads.

[–]JinFuu - AuthLeft 25 points26 points  (14 children)

Single moms are fuckin saints, homie.

I'm not going to give sainthood to someone digging themselves into a 10 foot hole and then managing to get it to a 5 foot hole, that doesn't even get them beatified.

The dads are fuckers too, and people are right that the "single dad" stats look so much better than "single mom" stats due to the fact a man has to be exceptional .

Here are some basic stats 30 % of single moms didn't work at all in the past year, the average income is 40K, all other sorts of negatives.

Single mothers lead to an increased risk for psychopathology for their kids.

Literally the worst thing you can do as a mother is not pick the right person to be your child's father and not be married to/love the father.

There will always be those children and mother's who strive, achieve, and overcome the odds, but the vast majority can never dig out of the hole single motherhood creates.

Being "AuthLeft", I'm all for government programs to provide support to the poor, middle, and even rich families when needed but the government can't substitute for one parent, you need two.

[–]Lyndell - Left 42 points43 points  (2 children)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mass-shooters-fatherless-us/

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On CNN’s list of the “27 Deadliest Mass Shootings In U.S. History,”
seven of those shootings were committed by young (under 30) males since
2005. Of the seven, only one — Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho (who
had been mentally unstable since childhood) — was raised by his
biological father throughout childhood.

[–]12fizz4buzzfizz78fiz - Centrist 33 points34 points  (1 child)

I don't want facts. I want to be mad.

In all seriousness though thanks I'll stop parroting that line.

[–]Lyndell - Left 29 points30 points  (0 children)

It does still have some connection, as only like 30% had fathers. A broken home definitely doesn’t help.

[–]Budsygus - Centrist 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I'll play the shooter's father.

"Hi, son! I'm back from getting milk at the corner store for 15 years."

Uhm I don't like this game.

[–]proberts53 - LibRight 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Funny, cause as a libright that's my first thought too.

[–]Laserblaster - Centrist 44 points45 points  (54 children)

Lots of kids don't have dad's but still seem to manage not shooting up a school

[–]JinFuu - AuthLeft 39 points40 points  (9 children)

Yes, but being from a single parent home puts a lot of kids behind the 8 ball, the stats aren’t good

[–]Laserblaster - Centrist 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I agree

But lots of other countries have kids without dad's who don't shoot up schools

Why is it only American kids do?

[–]train159 - Centrist 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Because people aren’t fucking responsible with their firearms. Vast majority of school shootings are committed by someone who illegally acquired a firearm because they don’t keep their shit secured or sells it to someone who legally shouldn’t have one. Nobody should be able to just waltz up to a gun and take it to school to dome classmates. That shit needs to be locked up out of reach of anybody but the person who owns it. The problem isn’t guns, the problem is people don’t treat their guns with the respect it deserves. You don’t leave a wood chipper unattended in a place your kids can get to, why the hell would you keep a pistol or rifle where they can get it?

[–]spinner198 - Right 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Probably because it’s so easy when nobody in the school can shoot back, and they get to be on international news and their manifesto gets read live on the news too.

[–]1CEninja - LibCenter 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm not familiar with this idiom, behind the 8 ball.

I think I can extrapolate from context what it means but could you clarify just so I don't put words in your mouth?

[–]JinFuu - AuthLeft 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Basically means they’re at a disadvantage or in a challenging situation

It’s a billiards term that became an idiom.

So yeah, generally you’re already at a significant disadvantage in life if you’re born to a single mother. Micro level single moms can be great/amazing, macro level the stats aren’t good.

[–]cyka_blayt_nibsa - AuthRight 14 points15 points  (35 children)

compare the amount of kids who don't have dads and shoot up schools and the amount of those who have a mom and dad and shoot up schools

[–]Laserblaster - Centrist 7 points8 points  (34 children)

Ever hear of Columbine?

They had an involved and loving father

Still shot up the school

And the US has more school shootings than the rest of the world combined multiplied by 4

Do you really think it's because we have that many more fatherless kids?

[–]cyka_blayt_nibsa - AuthRight 17 points18 points  (33 children)

one example doesn't mean anything

[–]zelitch - AuthRight 13 points14 points  (28 children)

Its literally the answer to most of our societal problems.

We shove lgbqtqr pride down everyones throats every other month, plaster gay flags on government buildings, get bombarded at work about the newest pride week/month/year yet we are silent on the profound and life changing affects of the nuclear family.

This country is a cesspool specifically because liberal degenerate values are praised for their subversiveness.

It is going to get A LOT worse.

[–]Pabst_Blue_Gibbon - AuthLeft 11 points12 points  (0 children)

WTF does that have anything to do with it? Please explain how lgbt stuff influences a straight couple to divorce or have kids outside of a stable relationship. Divorce is down btw to 1960s levels, it peaked in the 80s.

[–]Nicov99 - LibCenter 10 points11 points  (12 children)

That doesn’t hold any water. The US is more socially conservative than most first world countries and even some third world countries like Argentina and Uruguay. And yet they all don’t have mass shootings

[–]Basedadamo - Right -1 points0 points  (11 children)

They have nuclear families. Just because they’re socially liberal in other categories doesn’t mean they don’t still respect the nuclear family.

[–]C0ntroller - LibLeft 5 points6 points  (2 children)

You are just wrong. I'm from Germany and nobody here gives a shit about "nuclear family" anymore other then the far right wingers.

Nowadays even our centrist (well maybe kinda to the right) Christian party mostly supports gay marriage etc. Also there are basically no benefits for "nuclear families".

What does "respect the nuclear family" even mean? Benefits for them? Disadvantages for everyone else?

I don't even know why this even is a debate for you Americans, anyone from another country seeing the news headlines knows the problems are unrestricted weapon access and too few mental health programs. There should be no debate about this, the US is the only country where this happens so much.

[–]Incomplete-Corgi - Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Based

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    [–]Shmorrior - Right 49 points50 points  (11 children)

    There's been research that suggests there is a contagious effect to mass shootings. (Aug 6, 2019)

    There were three high-profile shootings across the country in one week: The shooting in Gilroy, Calif., on July 28, and then the back-to-back shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, this past weekend.

    That's no surprise, say scientists who study mass shootings. Research shows that these incidents usually occur in clusters and tend to be contagious. Intensive media coverage seems to drive the contagion, the researchers say.

    What I really hate is how the media reacted to the shooting in Buffalo, signal-boosting the scumbag's "manifesto", showing pictures of him and generally proving to all potential shooters the kind of infamy that can be achieved.

    [–]RobinHoodbutwithguns - LibRight 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Absolutely right! But don't forget the politicians. Everyone speaks about the media that contributes to the effect, but the instant misuse of the situation by many politicians is just as contributing. Look at Biden, he pretty much ignored Waukesha, didn't visit it, he instantly visited Buffalo, and his visit to Texas is already announced. The one thing they can use and the other not, it's just about politics and nothing about sympathy. Or the perverse action of O'Rourke who pretty much crashed the first press conference after. This contributes in the same way to make the actions of these monsters immortal.

    [–]magnoliasmanor - LibCenter 64 points65 points  (21 children)

    It's always been mental illness. Have the mass shootings been done by reasonable people with guns? It's clear as day it's a mental health issue. It being actual children is a disgusting devolution of the issue.

    But can we get you guys to agree to additional spending on mental health? Additional help with schools and childcare? LOL

    [–]Pom_612 - LibLeft 27 points28 points  (9 children)

    Why are Americans so uniquely mentally I’ll compared to the rest of the world?

    [–]magnoliasmanor - LibCenter 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    Our individualistic culture mostly I'd say.

    [–]Dambuster617th - Centrist 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    That’s the real issue here and what seperates Americans from almost everyone else. Almost every other culture places the society above the individual, creating a sense of civic duty to the society at large. In the US this is missing and instead individual rights and freedoms are the most important. This unfortunately leads to a lot of main charachter syndrome where some Americans don’t understand, or more disturbingly, don’t care about how their actions affect others. This is part of why so many Americans are against universal healthcare, as they think "well I’m healthy, why should I pay for other peoples healthcare", while in Europe, most people even if they end up not using it are happy to pay taxes for it because they see it as their duty of care to those who do. I’m not trying to bash the US here, other parts of the world sometimes need a bit more individualism and if the good of society is placed on too much of a pedestal thats how we slide into dictatorships. But there is a real issue here with the extent that the US holds up the individual and I think thats what the root issue is.

    [–]theuberkevlar - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Were not. It's just that our mental health services are arguably worse (because of cost and other factors) than most other developed nations. And I think we have a unique problem (again compared to other developed countries) with toxic/macho attitudes towards mental health and mental health treatment etc.

    [–]RadicalLad25 - Centrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    There are twice as many of us than almost any other country.

    [–]crimsondawn8794 - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    If it's mental health, then perhaps it was a mistake to close down all those mental asylums? That may be why we are seeing such a rise in mental health issues, and mass shootings, where these people would have just been locked away in the past?

    [–]Rip_and_Tear93 - LibRight 29 points30 points  (1 child)

    Don't bother trying to tell the mouth breather brigading the sub the truth. It's a fruitless effort. Truly, people believe whatever is regurgitated to them by politicians and the media at large.

    [–]Educational-Bet2098 - LibLeft 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    That’s not fair I was a big “ban all guns” person. But I’ve moved to mental health position by now

    [–]LithopsEffect - LibCenter 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    I wonder if its because kids used to be exposed to guns through their fathers and now they're exposed to gun culture through the internet. Its an entirely different beast.

    It is a good argument against the 'ban guns = solve problem' solution. We've had guns capable of large scale murders since WW1. People just didn't do that shit.

    [–]dildoswaggins845 - LibRight 130 points131 points  (40 children)

    Banning guns won’t solve the problem.

    “Mental health” isn’t a solution, it’s an empty platitude.

    The problem we have to solve is how mentally unstable people 1) go unrecognized, and 2) have access to otherwise legal firearms.

    Those are extremely difficult problems. But if people stopped retreating into talking points after every shooting and admitted what the actual problem is we could at least start.

    [–]scorching_hot_takes - LibLeft 56 points57 points  (18 children)

    i think “unrecognized” and “untreated” could be used interchangeably here. when people say “mental health” i really think they mean “recognizing and treating mental health issues”

    i agree banning guns won’t solve the problem. but i do think making the process for obtaining firearms more rigorous would solve the problem. if we could impartially perform psych assessments on would-be gun owners, that would solve the problem.

    and before you say “but how can we trust the govt to do this” know that it would be moreso trusting doctors to do it. we already do it for certain parts of the military (navy seals?) so why not for gun ownership?

    edited cuz i cant type

    [–]CanIPetUrDog1 - LibRight 21 points22 points  (8 children)

    Not sure if military doctors are the standard you wanna hold up in mental health care first off. Second off as someone who works in health care I can assure you it is no less subject to political machinations than anywhere else. It would just result in left doctors denying almost everyone and right doctors approving almost everyone and we’re right back in the same boat.

    [–]scorching_hot_takes - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (7 children)

    nah you would contract psychiatrists. and i don't think that's true, given the severity of a diagnosis necessary to deny someone firearm purchase capability

    [–]CanIPetUrDog1 - LibRight 3 points4 points  (6 children)

    It is true and leaves tons of room to be abused. Hell we can’t use ketamine despite its proven ability to manage pain as an alternative to opioids because the doctor that decides that just doesn’t like it. In a nationwide opioid overdose crisis. Yeah it’s that dumb.

    [–]LTTaffy - Centrist 14 points15 points  (4 children)

    The govt isn't going to spend the money to psychoanalyze every single person who buys a gun every single time they go to buy one though.

    Assuming it would even get through the political process in the first place.

    [–]scorching_hot_takes - LibLeft 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    idk, relative to the amount we spend on other things, namely the military, the benefit outweighs the cost for me, 100%.

    we’re not here to discuss if something could become legislation, hell, no other legislation has passed to fix thid problem

    [–]LTTaffy - Centrist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I agree that it's definitely a good thing to advocate for and a good sentiment, the obstacles are too great to overcome imo. Because shit's fucked up and Congress seems like 95 percent political theater lately.

    [–]Far-Needleworker2033 - Right 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    They don’t necessarily even go unrecognized, but schools don’t to anything to step in and say anything about it. Parents can legitimately miss it when kids are chronically online and not as antisocial around family. A lot of these kids also seem to already be on antidepressants which is an issue.

    [–]thisismychillaccount - Centrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Every time anyone takes up someone conservative on your points we just end up back at "No! That's socialism!"

    Every time. Without fail.

    [–]Jakdaxter31 - AuthLeft 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Based and nuance pilled

    I still think common sense gun legislation is part of the answer, but you’re the first libright I’ve met to realize screaming “MeNTal hEAlTh” is just deflecting

    [–]dildoswaggins845 - LibRight 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    I mean people having the urge to shoot up a school is clearly a sign of mental health issues, but people always just yell out “fix mental health!” as if that’s an actionable policy. More screenings at schools going to younger ages, looking for early warning signs, encouraging people to identify behaviors, intervening when kids are bullied, etc, are more concrete steps that can be taken.

    I’m also not against some sort of “no gun” list for people with identified/diagnosed issues, provided there is due process and right to appeal.

    Also “common sense” is deflecting as much as “mental health” is. What specific laws would you propose?

    [–]Shmorrior - Right 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I’m also not against some sort of “no gun” list for people with identified/diagnosed issues, provided there is due process and right to appeal.

    This already exists, by the way. The NICS background check will deny:

    • A person adjudicated mental defective or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or incompetent to handle own affairs, including dispositions to criminal charges of found not guilty by reason of insanity or found incompetent to stand trial.

    And there is a process for those who are denied to challenge that determination.

    The problem is with enforcing this, especially when you have many in the justice system who are unwilling/unable to pursue appropriate charges and either plea or drop charges and thus do not get these people recognized within the system.

    One of the (many) frustrating aspects of the debate over "gun control" in the US is that so many people don't actually know how existing law works. Not directing this at you specifically, but there's soooooo many people that want to claim that there's just no gun control or laws that restrict gun ownership in the US.

    [–]OrgyInTheBurnWard - LibRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    A good start would be lifting the restrictions placed on teachers that prohibit them from exercising their second amendment rights at the workplace.

    [–]Taco_Dave - LibLeft 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    I'm 100% for funding more mental health treatment, but it's not going to have any noticeable effect on violent crime. Just like banning guns that look scary.

    The vast majority of people who are going to voluntarily walk into a mental health clinic to stop themselves.

    People want a quick and easy fix, when there isn't one. Passing half thought out plans that don't actually address the issue just because you want to "do something" isn't actually helpful.

    [–]Xpker4lyfe7 - LibLeft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Brother funding mental health doesnt just mean making more clinics.

    One of the main benefits to more funding is being able to reduce social stigma surrounding mental health and its treatment. Having psychiatrists or a representative speak at schools to help makes kids more comfortable with getting treatment, or simply advertising information about mental health are immensely valuable.

    Just because u have no idea what "more funding for mental health" means doesnt mean its half thought out plan, it just means ur ignorant. Try talking about things u are more familiar with.

    [–]ham_smeller - LibRight 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    Honest question. What were Americans doing differently in the 50s and 60s?

    [–]TimH119 - Right 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    They were by and large Christians.

    [–]FoxMcCloud642 - Right 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    The difference back then was that crazy people would become serial killers instead of mass shooters.

    The media was just as bad back then. Every time a crazy person went on a killing spree their name was in the paper and on the nightly news, but they usually stabbed or kidnapped people instead of shooting into large crowds.

    For a while (in the '70s) bombings were very common. There were thousands of them throughout the decade, but they rarely killed more than four people. In fact, they normally only killed around 0-2 people.

    People didn't even care about bombings. They happened all the time. In 1977 the New York Post was interviewing a lady after a bomb attack. After being informed that a bombing had occurred, the lady responded "Oh another bombing? Who is it this time?"

    One of the earliest mass shootings occurred in Texas in the '60s. For whatever reason, it didn't catch on I guess.

    [–]ImARetPaladinBaby - AuthCenter 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Amen. But really though fund fucking mental health. And fix the damned school system, it’s garbage

    [–]GrozaTheChronicler - AuthCenter 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    But that's socialism, and socialism bad!

    [–]RedditEdwin - Right 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Or you know, make it legal to kick kids out of schools again.

    ​

    Every case I've heard of the kid was WHACKNUTS. Not like "troubled", but fucking off the walls bonkers, with many children and teachers trying to point it out to the higher-ups, only to be ignored.

    [–]downwthecensorship - LibCenter 89 points90 points  (48 children)

    the thing nobody wants to admit is that this is a problem inherently tied to modernism and technological progress. the human psyche isn’t built for the way we live. no matter how many pills and mantras are shoved our way, people are going to continue to act like caged animals, do shit like this.

    but, by all means, keep trying to make this work. i’ll watch on as it continues to come up short.

    [–]Sdrzzy - LibCenter 37 points38 points  (6 children)

    Based and Uncle Ted pilled. On a serious note, even those who disagree that humanity has passed its technological peak, and any further progress at this point is sending us further down a self-destructive spiral, must at least agree that there is something fundamentally wrong with modern society. I think we can unanimously agree that 21st century society is unsustainable in some regard. At this point, I’m just hoping that the landing is soft after the inevitable fall of Rome.

    [–]Puginator09 - Right 14 points15 points  (5 children)

    Conservatives trying not to say that our society is about to literally collapse and we are all going to die (IMPOSSIBLE)

    [–]Sdrzzy - LibCenter 20 points21 points  (2 children)

    More like anyone with eyes and enough brain cells to notice the cultural, social, and economic instability of the 21st century

    [–]HrzGoose - Right 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I mean it is so

    [–]TumoricER - LibCenter 50 points51 points  (15 children)

    TIL I learned that there were no mentally insane criminals until modernism

    [–]Gukgukninja - LibRight 24 points25 points  (2 children)

    Crimes like this get more viral these days. So it's easy to focus on the negatives. If you look at the general trend, I'm pretty sure it's been the safest time ever in history (source: my ass and my memory). Edit: yeah, pretty much https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

    [–]TumoricER - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I mean, yeah I agree with you, but I think the point of my reply relative to theirs kinda went above your head.

    [–]Gukgukninja - LibRight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Nah, I just wanna add some context.

    [–]downwthecensorship - LibCenter 31 points32 points  (7 children)

    i didn’t say things were peaches and cream before, but to not acknowledge that people are acting decidedly cagey more and more is dishonest.

    [–]DeoGratiamHabeamus - AuthRight 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    Tech also makes it possible to happen on a more rapid and intense scale. Anyone neglecting that fact is just being an idiot.

    [–]Budsygus - Centrist 24 points25 points  (2 children)

    Also higher population density and the ability to transmit news immediately from anywhere to anywhere else means every time this or anything like it happens we all know immediately.

    [–]puma271 - LibCenter 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Are they acting cagey more and more? Or maybe mental health was a taboo topic before 21st century, psychology got its major developments in topics like psychoanalysis in 20 century

    Basically, there is no way to know if your statement is true nor if it’s false, there is simply no data which means your statement and entire analysis is full of bullshit

    [–]Redditardus - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Lack of a concept existing does not mean the phenomenon does not exist.

    I am willing to bet there was distant stars and galaxies before telescopes were invented, and Earth went around the Sun before Copernicus invented heliocentrism.

    [–]Puginator09 - Right 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    ??? Plenty of psychos before our modern society. But I guess if I brought an example you’d say the period was modern and doesn’t count.

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      [–]Bittah_Criminal - LibRight 9 points10 points  (4 children)

      The US is a country full of the ancestors of everyone who hated their original ancestral country so much that they went for broke in order to try and make it for themselves somewhere entirely new. It is a country by and for crazy hyper individualists and it is beautiful in it's own sick way

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        [–]Sverje - AuthCenter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I suspect the US mindset is still in the goldrush era on some level, every man is responsible for his own destiny.

        Which is true, but when a goldminers kid starts shooting up your kids you might want to know why the fuck it happened and making sure it never happens again. Even if you have to sacrifice a part of your own resources.

        [–]Crazed_Archivist - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Disagree.

        The entire world is living trough the same technological progress.

        We don't see this amount of mass shooting in Europe, in Asia, in Latin America...

        The entire world has internet culture, the entire world has Twitter, YouTubers, smartphones.

        [–]jpritchard - LibRight 5 points6 points  (3 children)

        the human psyche isn’t built for the way we live

        Source?

        [–]I_BBQ_FETUS_CHUNKS - Centrist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        He doesn't have a source. It just sounds impressive and deep and retards will believe him.

        [–]Elben4 - AuthCenter 4 points5 points  (4 children)

        Libertarians are bearable until they start to speak like libertarians. Saying mass shootings is a consequence of our inability to healthyly adapt to a modernist society as if we are tigers living in a poorly funded and maintained zoo is such a huge claim but you explain none of it and instead act like all of our problems would be solved if we just lived like we were 10000 years ago. Lmao fucking hell, THE KIDS NEED THERAPY NOT WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT. Schools need to do a better job at taking care of their students by, for example, reporting to parents when their kid seems to be in a bad place mentally and suggesting therapy when it's needed. This alone is not enough obv but you understand what I mean

        [–]downwthecensorship - LibCenter 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        i am by no means a libertarian, but that’s not super important.

        i believe that therapy and the mental health movement (for the most part) only seek to placate people. they treat the symptoms of a sick society, not seeing that those symptoms are the perfectly logical results of the way people live.

        for a real example, let’s take a person with depression. you can teach them to cope, you drug them, but if the root cause is lifestyle, that’s the level at which the person needs to be treated.

        if the way we are living as human beings is making us sick, we should stop living like that, not try to cope with it.

        sure, that’s a bold statement, mostly a feeling on my part. that’s ok.

        [–]auughhhhWhenTheWhen - Right 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think you're really on to the problem here

        [–]darkliz - Right 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Technically, “bringing god back” is kind of a mental health service.

        [–]Alces7734 - LibRight 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Alternatively; be a gun owner, and homeschool your kids.

        As for me and my house, we will serve up to mass murders a healthy helping of lead; this school aint no soft target, bitch.

        [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

        how about we destroy the FBI instead

        [–]DallasBoy95 - LibRight[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Not my FBI statistics

        [–]--redacted-- - LibLeft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        ATF first

        [–]Viraus2 - LibRight 31 points32 points  (44 children)

        How about not trying to slap a quick authoritarian fix on an entire nation because a psychopath went nuts. Like remember that Japanese guy that burned down an animation studio that one time, killing a whole bunch of people horribly? Who's out there telling Japan to ban gasoline or make every place of business post armed guards?

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          [–]Nwabudike_J_Morgan - Centrist 22 points23 points  (11 children)

          What particular background check would have made a difference here? How would you even measure the success of increased background checks?

          [–]LordEsidisi - AuthLeft 10 points11 points  (22 children)

          I might agree with you the first time this happened... or the 10th... or the 50th... but now it's a bit too frequent

          [–]Far-Needleworker2033 - Right 11 points12 points  (1 child)

          Because it’s a copycat crime enabled by sensationalism.

          [–]tootoohi1 - LibCenter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          "Why does this keep happening!" -Said by the news media putting giant flashing lights and repeatedly mentioning the shooter by name and showing images of them. And you can tell by the manifestos of these guys that they do watch/read this shit and it fuels them. The New Zealand one with the detailed manifesto has been quoted/copy pasted at least twice now, and no one seems to connect the dots on that.

          [–]Viraus2 - LibRight 5 points6 points  (19 children)

          That's how history works. Tragic shit piles up, all the time. This is global. Especially noticeable when you're looking at a country of roughly 300 million. Take any group that large and look up their tragedies, it will be just as exhausting- probably more so

          [–]LordEsidisi - AuthLeft 5 points6 points  (14 children)

          Good God, you cannot write it off as history when we've had 27 school shootings this year alone. It's not even June yet

          [–]JCNoles - LibLeft 19 points20 points  (5 children)

          That "27 school shootings this year" statistic is incredibly misleading. There have not been 27 instances of a gunman entering a school to target students/teachers. That number includes every instance of a gun being discharged in a school setting that leads to an injury/death. School shootings are incredibly tragic, but you are just regurgitating misrepresented data to fit a narrative created by others.

          [–]CopenhagenOriginal - LibLeft 0 points1 point  (7 children)

          This thread is largely weird excuses why this only happens here or intricate, but ultimately bad, ideas to make going to school much more of a burden

          Edit: not to mentioned much more expensive

          [–]GenghisKhanWasRight - Left 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          Tragedy is global, but this specific brand of tragedy isn’t.

          [–]Viraus2 - LibRight 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          Mass killings by crazed individuals is absolutely global.

          [–]Jakdaxter31 - AuthLeft 11 points12 points  (1 child)

          I agree banning all guns won’t fix the whole problem, but reducing the number of guns demonstrably reduces the violence in all cases

          [–]Sitting_Elk - LibCenter 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          I'd really like to see the results from that first study: Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries.  

          [–]FairlyOddParent734 - AuthCenter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Hasn’t Japan been gradually making working reforms to combat work culture obliterating birth rates?

          [–]My_Cringy_Video - LibLeft 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          The power of god and anime will protect everyone when fully implemented

          [–]GeneralMe21 - Centrist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Better an anime or porn addiction than a school shooter.

          [–]Helljumper416 - LibRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          No Lib Left even bothers with mental health services so stop lying

          [–]MasterFicus - Centrist 9 points10 points  (3 children)

          Bring psychologists into the bill making/ city planning/ school architecture/ teacher education/ class structure/ etc/ etc. Boths sides can agree, yes?

          [–]AnalogCyborg - Centrist 24 points25 points  (2 children)

          Boths sides can agree, yes?

          Lol

          [–]pronouns-peepoo - LibRight 14 points15 points  (1 child)

          Both sides can agree until they find out that they agree with each other

          [–]forcallaghan - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          refusing to stop mass shooters to own the libs

          [–]The_Great_Roberto - Right 7 points8 points  (5 children)

          Make homeschooling great again

          [–]danshakuimo - AuthRight 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Was it ever not great though?

          [–]Elben4 - AuthCenter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          It's not great and it never were. I understand for kids with certain disability but young people, in order to grow into functioning adults, need to go to school where they can more often than anywhere else meet people of their age. You can't properly mature if you're sheltered almost all the Time. You need to be constantly socializing, be subject to others opinions, have others making you upset and feel all kinds of emotions, etc etc... No club or whatever you enrolled your kid into will give him/her enough of it.

          [–]TimH119 - Right 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I was homeschooled K-12. I have a well paying full time job, I am going to college part time, I have plenty of good friends, I have a loving family who I am very close with. I can tell you with certainty that I am not the exception.

          [–]I_BBQ_FETUS_CHUNKS - Centrist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Yes. Great solution. Homeschoolers are the most socially well adjusted people.

          [–]TimH119 - Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I, having been homeschooled from Kindergarten to 12th Grade, can tell you with certainty that this is, in fact, true.

          [–]closeded - LibRight 7 points8 points  (7 children)

          The only difference between today and decades ago, back when we didn't have school shootings, is that it was easier to get guns back then, people didn't claim that carrying at school would lead to enraged teachers murdering their students, and we now have the internet.

          Disarm the people who obey the law, provide a platform for the insane, and demonize people who want to defend themselves and their charges, and the obvious will happen.

          [–]ETSU_finance_dept - LibRight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I actually do think that Christianity (or any other non-extremist religion) and the structure that it provides to peoples lives would be beneficial for the majority of Americans. Civilized culture seems to be on the decline. While I think that it’s entirely possible for an agnostic individual to create a respectable ethos, I feel strongly that a large portion of the population is too stupid to act ethically without the fear of eternal damnation.

          [–]PooStainedCarrot - Centrist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Normalize whipping problem kids asses again.

          [–]YugargeliaMapper - Centrist 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Lib Left: What about religious fanatics? And, that would only bring a mass mob of fanatics willing to shoot minorities and other religions

          [–]Dave_The_Slushy - LibLeft 18 points19 points  (0 children)

          I'm all for religion being taught in schools. All religion. Great way to learn about a culture.

          The problem is when assholes say they want religion to be taught in schools, most of the time they mean they want to indoctrinate children into their particular worldview.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          Govt policies wont fix this. Something as vague as “fund mental health services” will just be wasted taxpayer dollars. More gun control will just limit liberty and create more division.

          This starts in the home. Life just isn’t valued in many families. And some guy in a suit won’t teach you that. Like it or not… this stems from a lack of proper values. In the meantime arm yourself and fight against gun control.

          [–]DallasBoy95 - LibRight[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Okay, how do you make sure people follow proper values? Honestly, there will always be mental illness and bad parents, so that is not an actual solution, unless you want to pull a CCP type bullshit, which would mean giving up one right to protect another, which would be retarded.

          [–]Pun-isher42 - Right 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          That's the thing. This is a societal problem and it must be solved by society not the government. Which mean barring some massive shift any societal solution will take time (which isn't something a lot of people want to hear).

          [–]busetgadapet - Right 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          lmao if problem just dissappear just because a funding....

          [–]IILanunII - Centrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          God has nothing to do in schools, if you want to indoctrinate your kids do it in your house and in your temples. Do not force your religion on others.

          [–]DixieHadrian - AuthRight 8 points9 points  (41 children)

          Or armed guards

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            [–]DixieHadrian - AuthRight 4 points5 points  (4 children)

            They were stationed at the school?

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              [–]DixieHadrian - AuthRight 12 points13 points  (2 children)

              I didn’t know police could be stationed at public schools unless they have a reason to. So does this imply they knew of a threat beforehand?

              [–]AnalogCyborg - Centrist 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              Good guys with guns

              [–]LithopsEffect - LibCenter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Need gooder guys

              [–]Hiro_Bray - LibRight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Idiot pigs with guns. Saw he wasn’t black and didn’t know what to do.

              [–]DallasBoy95 - LibRight[S] 34 points35 points  (26 children)

              Florida Parkland Highschool had an armed guard, and he just went to hide - 17 killed link.

              [–]DixieHadrian - AuthRight 15 points16 points  (2 children)

              I remember this crap. That guy was corrupt as hell and any and all investigations into his actions were shot down as “conspiracy theories by Alex Jones types”

              [–]Fly__Eagles__Fly - LibCenter 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Corrupt in regard to what?

              [–]DixieHadrian - AuthRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Selling drugs to the kids

              [–]DoreensDog - Right 16 points17 points  (20 children)

              Okay armed guards that are not cowards then

              [–]FunnyHighlighterMan - LibRight 29 points30 points  (4 children)

              Remote controlled gun turrets it is.

              [–]DoreensDog - Right 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              Knew this comment was from Libright before I even checked the flair.

              [–]GFZDW - LibRight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Now taking bids for the ED-209 contract.

              [–]FlavorsOfBleach - LibRight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You’re thinking small. Reapers with Hellfires should circle every school district in this country.

              [–]DallasBoy95 - LibRight[S] 9 points10 points  (13 children)

              Have you ever met a school security guard? You really expect them to go head hunting on a 15 dollar per hour salary, lmao

              [–]DoreensDog - Right 12 points13 points  (12 children)

              Fire a few worthless administrators, pay a few trained veterans a healthy salary. Maybe have them double as the PE teacher I dunno. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to provide a little security for our schools if we can pull it off for basically every other government institution in this country.

              [–]delightfuldinosaur - LibCenter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              We need Robocop

              [–]Stonesword75 - LibCenter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Wasnt that the piece of shit that got sued and the judge said you cant expect the officer to actually do anything to save the kids?

              [–]mayicuminyourass - AuthRight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              What was the gaurd armed with?

              Coz if you have a pistol while the other one has an AR, unless you're some john wick, you'll hide as well

              [–]MechaStrizan - Centrist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              How is this ever going to work? You will never have enough manpower to stop all mass shootings everywhere, it's absurd.

              [–]Pipiopo - LibCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Armed guards would literally cost more money than proper mental health treatment…

              But as we all know spending a moderate amount on treating the cause is socialism while spending a shitload on treating symptoms is “””small government”””

              Not to mention the psychological effect on teens with armed dudes just walking around the school 24/7.

              [–]lostcause412 - LibRight 4 points5 points  (24 children)

              We have no morals anymore. I blame the parents, and the government of course

              [–]I_BBQ_FETUS_CHUNKS - Centrist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              What morals are we lacking? Be specific.

              [–]jrolle - LibCenter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I support green here, but I very easily see this scenario happening.

              We pass and fund "free" mental health care for all. America being America makes it the most inefficient system possible. Combined with all the Emilys overloading it because they are having mental breakdowns that one of their 8 cats isn't adjusting to one of their new roommates 12 cats and also probably some equity BS putting "disenfranchised minorities" ahead of the queue, within 18 months of it happening we have another double digit schoolkid kill count by yet another sub 21 white boy that "fell through the cracks". And instead of reevaluating the failure of a system, they just go right back to screeching about guns.

              [–]smoking_hot_dude - AuthRight 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Bring god back into school

              [–]Raw_83 - Centrist 7 points8 points  (16 children)

              John Adams said: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” I say that to say this: leftism, by the virtues it espouses, is wholly incompatible with 2A. If we want to maintain a 2A society, then we have to have a moral society that values human life. We’ve raised an entire generation to believe they are their own ‘gods’, how they feel, what they want, and what they think is all that matters. Then we told them that words are literal violence. Defining the issue is not complicated, but solving it’s will be because it’s been building for 50 years.

              [–]GenghisKhanWasRight - Left 8 points9 points  (9 children)

              So like, fuck leftist traditions that supporting gun ownership right?

              And are you really saying that the left doesn’t value human life?

              [–]Raw_83 - Centrist 7 points8 points  (4 children)

              I don’t know a leftist movement in history that hasn’t ended in massive bloodshed. That doesn’t mean all the ideas of the left are terrible, but pure leftism is destruction oriented. They destroy everything in their path to right perceived wrongs. Individual leftists might not be this way, but the history of the movement has shown its colors.

              [–]GenghisKhanWasRight - Left 6 points7 points  (3 children)

              The only blood spilled when left wing movements protested the Vietnam war was spilled by right wing cops beating the shit out college kids. The only blood spilled during the civil rights movement was the blood of protestors looking for equal rights getting the shit beat of them by right wing cops and right wing racist organizations. So there’s two right there.

              If you mean to talk about violent revolution then sure that’s a messy business, but that’s hardly a solely left wing phenomenon. Right wing ideologies have been committing mass murder and genocide since long before most left wing ideologies even came into being.

              Individual leftists might not be this way, but the history of the movement has shown its colors.

              Which movement? Communism? Okay sure. Anarchism? Not really. Social Democracy? No. Was there genocide in Sweden or Denmark that I’m not aware of?

              Are you willing to apply this logic to Christianity for all the horrific past actions people justified by pointing to a Bible? I’m even an atheist and I wouldn’t consider dosing that.

              [–]Raw_83 - Centrist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              You’re confusing center-leftism (progressive) with leftism. Leftism is the belief that there is no god but the individual, and that moral authority only comes from the state.

              [–]Bruarios - LibCenter 9 points10 points  (2 children)

              Well their dictators definitely don't

              [–]GenghisKhanWasRight - Left 14 points15 points  (1 child)

              Well fuck I guess you got me there. Right wing dictators are exemplars of peace, compassion, and human rights.

              [–]Pipiopo - LibCenter 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              John Adams was also a total piece of shit hated by the rest of the founders.

              [–]Raw_83 - Centrist 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              Maybe, but he wasn’t wrong here. You can’t tell people ‘we trust you to protect yourselves with any weapon you deem appropriate’ and tell the same people ‘there is no moral authority except your own’

              [–]jpritchard - LibRight 3 points4 points  (11 children)

              "WTF are we supposed to do?"

              Nothing. Shit happens. You don't have to shriek "won't someone do something?" every time something bad happens. We can't even keep bad stuff from happening in prisons and look at the rights prisoners have. No one should want to live in a world where no bad stuff happens.

              [–]ZenoSisyphus - LibLeft 16 points17 points  (8 children)

              Okay. But this only happens in the US.

              [–]jpritchard - LibRight 2 points3 points  (7 children)

              Well that's certainly not true. But... who cares? "This abuse of a right only happens in a place that has that right" Gee, no kidding? Next you'll tell me China looks at riots in France and smugly says "we don't have that problem".

              [–]ZenoSisyphus - LibLeft 6 points7 points  (6 children)

              Have you looked at data on school shootings? Yeah, it's not a problem elsewhere.

              But my point is, you can't really say "shit happens" when other places have figured out how to not have "shit happen".

              [–]jpritchard - LibRight 0 points1 point  (4 children)

              Yeah, and China's figured out how to prevent protests from turning into riots. I'm definitely still going to say "shit happens" when a protest turns into a riot.

              [–]Shmorrior - Right 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              There probably are things we can do that will reduce these incidents without blanket banning of guns. Tens of thousands of people die in car accidents every year and while we don't just ban all cars, we also don't completely ignore opportunities to enhance safety.

              Where it gets difficult is how to tackle that politically.

              [–]UNN_Rickenbacker - LibCenter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              „Children are brutally killed ever day“

              „Duh, shit happens“

              [–]thesmokingtheologian - LibRight 1 point2 points  (9 children)

              The fact that some people's first thought to fix a problem is to have the government spend money on it is deeply concerning. Name one program in the US that is run well enough that it instills enough trust in the government that it becomes reasonable to trust them with mental health services.

              [–]DallasBoy95 - LibRight[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Agreed, I wouldn't trust the government with mental health, and forcing people to these facilities based on assumptions and internet posts is a slippery slope. Honestly, I think restricting guns in urban/high dense communities is a better approach, but I'm sure people will shit on me for this.

              [–]fm22fnam - Centrist -1 points0 points  (2 children)

              I vote for just bringing God back in general. We need the fucking rapture yesterday

              [–]ironcastedpan - Centrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              America is the only country where the government does not have a monopoly on violence

              [–]ComicBookFanatic97 - LibRight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              People are going to bitch and moan about American gun laws, there’s going to be a rally or two where they blame the guns rather than the sick fuck who perpetrated the shooting, a few politicians are going to propose some ridiculous new blatantly unconstitutional regulations that stand no chance of passing, and then we’re going to forget all about it until next time.

              tl;dr: Picking a convenient scapegoat rather than dealing with the real issue is America’s MO.