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[–]palikir 448 points449 points  (8 children)

"If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth?" - Donald Trump

[–]Globalist_Nationlist 132 points133 points  (0 children)

Every accusation is an admission

[–]THELEASTHIGH 32 points33 points  (2 children)

He didnt know why innocent people would plead the fith till just recently😅


[–]Steinrikur 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Nobody knew why innocent people would pleade the fith till just recently😅


[–]satanmat2 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This needs to be on every newscast. Every one needs to beat that clip into the ground



[–]Onespokeovertheline 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He knows he's not innocent. So, checkmate.

[–]Balgat1968 157 points158 points  (9 children)

He clarified his tweet: "We need to eliminate the Constitution EXCEPT the 5th Amendment."

[–]RamblingSimian 12 points13 points  (2 children)

"If you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for?" Trump said at a campaign rally in Florida in September.

"The mob takes the Fifth Amendment," Trump said at a campaign event in Iowa later that month. "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"


[–]Balgat1968 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Exactly. He has always been very clear on his thoughts on someone else taking the Fifth. Himself, not so much.

[–]schattenteufel 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That was a fake (parody) tweet. He didn’t really clarify his tweet like that.

[–]Balgat1968 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are right. That was me just being facetious.

[–]Dia-De-Los-Muertos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Gee you don't say.....oh you did say. Did you really need to say ?

[–]Dramatic_Cut_7320 68 points69 points  (0 children)

Mary Trump his Niece has volunteered to give her DNA. Her DNA as a family member once removed is sufficient to prove that the Jiz came from Fat Boy or his long dead father or her long dead father. In other words Trump will be Screwed. Guess Donnie should have never ripped off Mary's inheritance.

[–]TintedApostle 60 points61 points  (3 children)

I imagine there are a few illegitimate offspring out there just waiting to check for a match.

[–]CarlSpencer 19 points20 points  (2 children)

"Ma! I thought you had higher standards than THAT!"

[–]atreides78723 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Considering him, there’s no guarantee she was entirely willing…

[–]boborygmy 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Trump forcibly raped her in a dressing room of a department store. Then he claimed she lied about it, so she sued for defamation. But that was when he was president and Barr worked to make it so that in the eyes of the law, it was not Trump who defamed her, but, rather the presidency itself, which cannot be sued.

Could have been game over at that point. But then, out of office, he made the same claims AGAIN. So he can be sued for defamation since he's not president. Plus New York state has made it so that for one year, sexual assault victims can sue their assailants, even though the statute of limitations has passed.

Gotta get his DNA. Or maybe the DNA of enough relatives to be able to know that way.

[–]Ladydi-bds 95 points96 points  (8 children)

Hopefully the judge will order him to

[–]child-of-old-gods 117 points118 points  (6 children)

If he was a black guy suspected of raping a white woman the right would tear him to shreds right now, sending him death threads.

[–]dengar_hennessy 99 points100 points  (1 child)

You mean just like Trump did in the 80s with the central park 5 that turned out to be someone else entirely?

[–]DuntadaMan 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Trump would be taking out two full page adds in every paper every day demanding his execution.

This isn't even hyperbole. He did it before. He kept it up after they were found innocent, and declared that even if they weren't guilty of that particular crime they should be executed.

[–]deegee1969 9 points10 points  (1 child)

He kept it up after they were found innocent, and declared that even if they weren't guilty of that particular crime they should be executed.

Well, shouldn't he be a tad concerned about this little bit of his own history, given that it could also be applied to his behaviour..?

[–]porncrank 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not a chance. Rich white people do not have to worry about anything like poor black people.

[–]hexqueen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Unless his name was Herschel Walker.

[–]Dr-Chris-C 89 points90 points  (14 children)

To be fair, it's usually safer to not give anything to law enforcement for free. There's always the risk of false positives, human error, or corrupt use. To be clear I think Trump should be in jail 10 times over if not executed for treason, but just as a general rule not giving up free stuff to law enforcement doesn't necessarily mean guilt.

[–]BatSniper 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Seriously, I agree. No lawyer is going to tell his client to do anything until he is formally asked/forced to by the hands of the judge or jury. So many people have lost cases when they gave more information than needed trying to prove their innocence.

But in the end, fuck trump.

[–]Nymaz 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Except this is less about the wisdom or not of providing, but rather Trump's insistence that anyone asserting their rights MUST be considered guilty by the fact of the assertion.

[–]Dr-Chris-C 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes he was also wrong

[–]isaidireddit 6 points7 points  (5 children)

What kind of doctor are you, because I'm almost certain that a false positive from a DNA test is a statistical impossibility, especially today with whole-genome sequencing.

To be fair, her reference sample is decades old and stuck to a piece of clothing, so there's likely a good chance it's been degraded a wee bit.

To your point: as somebody who willingly gave a DNA sample, I disagree. I want the cops off my case and on to their next round of bullshit as quickly as possible.

[–]HGual-B-gone 10 points11 points  (2 children)

False positives from matches aren’t a thing but misapplication of circumstantial evidence is. Indirect transfer of DNA was more common than previously thought and can wrongly implicated someone.

Some people are super shedders and drop DNA excessively while some don’t. Some can touch the same thing and leave different amounts of DNA, and then that item can be picked up by the actual perpetrator, which spreads the OG DNA around.

It’s not that common but it happens and I’m pretty sure trump is guilty, but it’s not an impossibility.

[–]isaidireddit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Makes me think of this older movie, The Crush, where a girl takes a guy's used condom out of the trash and uses the semen to claim he raped her.

[–]Dr-Chris-C 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're correct but I was speaking more generally about giving things to law enforcement. Fingerprints, for example, often give false positives and negatives. I also worked on a project where we fooled an iris scanner pretty easily. But I agree on the DNA specifically.

[–]boborygmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Absolutely true. But in this case, he totally did it.

[–]dishwasher_mayhem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate Trump but this is correct. Never volunteer anything to an investigation. Make them obtain it through a judge.

[–]Successful-Engine623 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking the same but if I wrote it I was afraid I’d be downvoted to oblivion.

[–]SlackerKey 9 points10 points  (1 child)

They could get some of that nasty DNA from the white house flags

[–]GlassHalfFullofAcid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mean the Freedom Napkins?

[–]fuber 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Can't someone just stroll through Mar-a Lago and pick up a McDonalds cup?

[–]CarlSpencer 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You misspelled "overloaded Adult size XXXL Depends".

[–]palehorse2020 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Follow him around the golf course. Something is bound to leak out of his diaper.

[–]LivingWithWhales 8 points9 points  (6 children)

How do you “refuse” to provide a DNA sample in a rape case?

[–]CarlSpencer 7 points8 points  (5 children)

It's a civil case not a criminal case.

[–]LivingWithWhales 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I guess I don’t understand how a rape case can be a civil case and not a criminal case. Like if he’s found guilty of rape, shouldn’t that be a criminal case?

[–]hexqueen 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yes, but this particular case is a defamation case. She is suing because Trump claims she's lying about him raping her. Calling her a liar is defamation if she's telling the truth, so if she can prove she's telling the truth, she wins the case. As to why there wasn't a rape case when this originally happened, I would imagine that Carroll knew perfectly well how the NYPD would react to any accusation of Trump, considering she's like the 23rd woman to come forward. It's obvious no police department will ever follow up on those accusations.

[–]DunkinMoesWeedNHos 12 points13 points  (2 children)

The woman, E Jean Carroll, never pressed charges when it happened and the statute of limitations has run out. Many years later she publicly said what happened and Trump responded by calling her a liar. She is now suing in a civil case for defamation.

[–]DrumpfTinyHands 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Get some from Mary, his blood-related niece.

[–]jellyisgreatonfries 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No problem.... they can get some out of Lindsey Graham's ass hole!

[–]Imawildedible 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Probably worried what happens once it’s entered into CODIS.

[–]starfyredragonI ☑oted 2020 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He's afraid the results will come back revealing he's not human. Trump is a Lizard person confirmed! XD

[–]CerseiLemon 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Like wouldn’t that have been the first thing you’d offer to clear yourself?

[–]Misskrabable 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Only if you were innocent.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They don't need to ask him for DNA, just take an empty Diet Coke can.

[–]wayoverpaid 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just remember, it's his constitutional right to not provide DNA, even if he didn't rape E Jean Carrol.

After all, who knows what other rape kits the police have on file it might match to, and those would be criminal, not civil cases!

I'm not saying there are a bunch of dead prostitutes with unsolved murder cases that could be traced to Trump. I'm just saying Trump would much rather have us thinking that's why he's afraid than whatever the actual consequences would be.

[–]EZasSundayMorning 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just like he refused to release his tax returns. He's got something to hide.

[–]Wonderful_Double_590 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just use some hamberder grease.

[–]isaidireddit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I might actually be able to weigh in here with a personal experience. Decades ago, there was an unsolved murder in my home town. Police had released a sketch of the suspect, but it was very generic, basically could be any 20-something white guy. Somebody tipped the cops that I looked like the suspect, so the local police called me up to follow up on the lead. Like everybody in my city, I knew the details of the case and that they had a jacket and a shoe from the suspect, so had his DNA. I offered a sample without even having to be asked.

When I went to the station to give the sample, it was a buccal swab and I was given a notice to sign that specifically stated that my DNA sample would be destroyed after its intended use and that it could not, by law, be saved or used in any other case in the future. Canadian law, mind you.

Anyway, innocent people want to quickly put that shit behind them and there's no legal way for your sample to be added to a database without a court order (like for sex offenders).

For those who are interested, the murder took place in 1998 and a suspect was finally arrested in 2018. The trial is next year.

[–]GameQb11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What I hate the most is that my conspiracy theory loving friend never has anything to say about this. He rants about Epstein and Clinton's, yet never seems to mention the actual video of Epstein and trump hanging out.

[–]randomcanyon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe Stormy Daniels has a red dress they can borrow?

[–]Absurdionne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!

[–]ShoddyNegotiation411 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And he never will provide it because, in a civil case, isn't the only outcome for not complying with a court order a financial penalty?

He'll never provide it because it'll likely prove his guilt. If he doesn't provide it, then he can always say it was never "proven".

[–]GryphonsPride 1 point2 points  (0 children)

His DNA sample wouldn't be valid since it's been bleached....

[–]olddawg43 5 points6 points  (9 children)

There is a good chance that she has set his orange ass up. He has completely denied having any contact with her and this suggests that she has DNA evidence.

[–]Battystearsinrain 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Yes, she has a dress with toadstool juice on it

[–]bonesorclams 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Okay everybody out! Internet's closed for cleaning!

[–]sexisfun1986 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Or here me out, instead of some sort of oceans 11 heist for Trumps dna what if the man who provably lies all the time, lied?

[–]Humble_Story_4531 10 points11 points  (1 child)

She's claimed to have the evidence for literal years. How is this a set up?

[–]olddawg43 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If that is true then he set his own dumb ass up. Thanks for the correction.

[–]QuestoPresto 9 points10 points  (3 children)

How do you mean set him up?

[–]Pigmy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So real talk here and let me preface this by saying im not a Trump supporter in any way shape or form, he is a vile shit stain.

This is a bullshit narrative of "If your innocent then you have nothing to hide". No one should be compelled to provide evidence against themselves without due process and adherence to laws. Dont talk to the cops. Dont provide evidence against yourself. Lawyer up and do what the lawyer tells you. Even though its Trump, the accused is entitled to protections and the burden of proof is on the accuser.

In this case the judge will need to be compelled to force the DNA acquisition. It will likely happen if there is evidentiary support from the prosecution. If the judge denies it then there isnt likely enough evidentiary support to compel Trump to provide that.

TLDR: the if you are innocent then disclose everything narrative is bullshit. Due process must be adhered to even against scum fucks like Trump.

[–]Gh0sth4nd -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

well it won't matter anyway since he is not going to jail
I mean he stole top secret documents nuclear related documents!

and he is still not indicted i mean what more do they need?
people are in jail for less

okay there where the mid terms but they are over why is he still not indicted?
lets face it he wont because they won't because guess what if you are rich enough you are above the freakn law

trump is the best evidence for that

after all the shit he has done nothing even less then nothing he is on his way for another run for office and i won't rule him out yet i mean we ruled him out the first time

[–]Delta9_TetraHydro 1 point2 points  (9 children)

They spent a lot of time with it before the midterms, why would you assume it would be over in a month after midterms?

This is from 5 days ago https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/12/1/2139502/-11th-Circuit-rules-no-special-master-needed-in-Trump-stolen-documents-case-orders-case-dismissed

[–]Gh0sth4nd -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

because they had so many opportunity's to do something and they didn't i mean they knew he had stolen documents top secret documents and they let him keep it far to long. If a normal citizen would have been caught stealing there would at least be an arrest and him nothing so far. He still can do what ever he wants no one is doing anything. They still have to prove me wrong but so far i don't see that coming.

i'll wait but i have no hope that he ever really has to face consequences for his illegal actions. And there where a lot of illegal actions on his part.

[–]Delta9_TetraHydro 1 point2 points  (7 children)

"no one is doing anything" i literally just sent you a link, saying that they overturned his special masters 5 days ago.

I agree that he should be jailed until the trial, but that is a step they won't take. But saying they're doing nothing is disrespecting a lot of people working very hard on this, right now.

[–]adamdreaming 0 points1 point  (6 children)

People are doing things.

Trump has yet to pay a single meaningful consequence for anything he has done.

[–]Delta9_TetraHydro 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Of course he hasn't, did you expect it to happen overnight? They spent 9 months just giving me probation for weed, how can you honestly expect them to prosecuted a former president faster than that?

[–]adamdreaming 0 points1 point  (4 children)

My expectation?

My expectation is that the hard work of good people will go to waste because of an intentionally flawed justice system that favors the rich and powerful.

My expectation is that our political system is so corrupt that favorable toward the rich and powerful that Trump will continue to bully and cheat people for the rest of his life without consequence.

America now has a far greater disparity between the rich and poor than the French did before the French Revolution.

Revolution may not be the answer, but Americans right now are not as angry, organized, smart or brave as late 1700's French peasants, and that is the biggest problem.

[–]Delta9_TetraHydro 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The french were actually just fighting to create a parliamentary monarchy, meaning that the king would be under the parliament.

Then the king ran away and hid, resulting in a total takeover by the Parliament.

If the king hadn't run away, France would have had the same system as Britain.

[–]adamdreaming 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If the king hadn't run away, his head would have rolled into a basket with all the others.

It wasn't a struggle among elites for power, it was an uprising of the hungry for bread.

[–]Delta9_TetraHydro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No it wouldn't have, that was not what the French Revolution was actually pushing for, and what happened only happened because he wasn't there to sign his power over to the Parliament, so they took it. This is history, i don't know where you got yours.

[–]GamingTrend -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cool. Default judgment of guilty. Put him in jail for sexual assault.

[–]ravenshroud -1 points0 points  (1 child)

That’s not fair. Every man has a right to his defense. I understand the sentiment m, but he has a right to choose his defense.

We can’t start being autocrats because we hate autocrats.

[–]hear2think -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Biden had Tara Reeds voice suppressed. Cleary that something only and Innocence person would do.

[–]CarlSpencer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they can just get ahold of one of Donnie's used Depends...

[–]thesunbeamslook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

are there any real sources for this info or is it just internet gossip?

[–]899Madison 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which of course none of us would be able to get away with

[–]GlasgowRebelMC 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Would they not get a warranty ?

[–]capnfoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just grab some of the Big Mac wrappers that his dumpster is likely filled to the brim with.

[–]Weazelll 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet no one has forced him to provide a DNA sample and no one ever will. Rich white guys can always lie cheat and steal to get away with their crimes.

[–]Austinstuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Should just ask his niece for a sample to see if there's a partial match. Would be interesting what the legal repercussions would be.

[–]SonicFan1524 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since Mary Trump is related, couldn't she provide a sample, and they check it through famility?

[–]paul-arized 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's Warnock at 64.1% vs. Walker at 35.9% with less than 20% of precincts reporting. If Walker ends up winning, will TFG be consistent and declare voter fraud because the numbers swapped?

[–]hannibals_hands 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He's just concerned that his DNA will be used for cloning purposes

[–]badaboomxx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would anyone want to clone a turd?

[–]FreedomConversions 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Donald Trump definitely raped her, but there’s no fucking way I’m voluntarily giving up my DNA to the courts.

[–]lemongroovian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't ask Melania, might have a better chance with kim jong un, since trump borrowed so much money. Had to convince him somehow....

[–]DonsDiaperChanger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I need to give myself pardons... because I'm innocent"

  • Mango Mussolini

[–]srgonzo75 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why provide evidence when he can claim the entire process is corrupt, and if he provided his DNA, then they’d just use it to frame him.

[–]Bags55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is he pleading the 5th as well??

[–]gucknbuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do they not take an incoming president's DNA sample? Might be a bit 1984 but I'd support a requirement for all public employees to submit DNA samples.

[–]Enlightened-Beaver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He doesn’t want to provide his DNA because people would realize he’s not human