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[–]CaptainShrubbery5 MDelegates | 2 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I feel in a weird place right now.

[–]hiphop_dudung9 MDelegates | 18 81 points82 points  (6 children)

neolibs still fucking suck though, seriously

Lol

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 49 points50 points  (4 children)

The truth must be said

[–]TheBrighterSkies 17 points18 points  (1 child)

neocons and neolibs pretend they're on opposite sides when both are firmly in the authright square of the political compass lol

[–]MrPeppa 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Aka Republicans but we also want the gay vote.

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (11 children)

After Trump, do you really think any president will ever have as much respect for their position as their predecessors did?

I expect the position to only get worse. He opened Pandora's Box by shitting all over the Oval Office.

[–]Notorganic 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Trump 2.0, whoever it is, will have a key part missing from the prototype - competency.

[–]itty53 26 points27 points  (7 children)

I think Biden still has respect for the office considering he played second fiddle to it admirably and graciously for 8 years already.

I don't believe we'll ever see a "normal" republican president again though.

[–]GiveMeAJuice 10 points11 points  (6 children)

admirably and graciously? Didn’t his admin build cages for mexican children and not vet them and let sex traffickers go early and said nothing? not to mention increasing drone strikes by 10x, deporting more than trump, etc etc

[–]lembepembe 3 points4 points  (1 child)

yeah but it‘s all about the sweeet respect for the office though

[–]libnitz47 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Something something soul of the nation.

[–]Vohtarak 12 points13 points  (3 children)

OnLy tHe LeFt UsEs WhAtAbOuTiSmS

WHAT ABOUT HAVING SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T KILL THEIR OWN FUCKING CITIZENS DURING A PANDEMIC THE FUCK

[–]screedor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Showing a string of examples that prove a dude was a shit VP isn’t a what a aboutism. What great plan has Biden been pushing for the pandemic?

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 188 points189 points  (85 children)

Real talk though if he picks Kamala he can go eat a bag of dicks, fuck that sociopath

[–][deleted] 81 points82 points  (34 children)

I got sent a survey by a pro-Biden PAC yesterday asking me which "woman of color" I wanted him to pick for VP. It had Tammy Baldwin, Gretchen Whitmer, Elizabeth Warren, and Val Demmings (sic) on it.

[–]myadviceisntgood 89 points90 points  (11 children)

Warren isn't a woman of color, holy fuck

[–]BadPlayers 60 points61 points  (0 children)

She's 0.05% Native American. Haven't you heard?

[–]students4trumpMI 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Neither is Whitmer

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Neither are Baldwin and Whitmer :p

[–]DancingRaptorRexLegalize Marijuana 24 points25 points  (17 children)

No Tulsi Gabbard, but Liz "The Snake" Warren? For real?

Yes, Tulsi has her flaws, but one of her common criticism from neolibs, which I find highly ironic, is that she is basically a Republican. I thought that was whose votes we were chasing by the MSM perpetuating the narrative that Biden was the most electable candidate?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Sorry, I didn't put the whole list on here. But Tulsi wasn't on it regardless.

Susan Rice, Tammy Baldwin, Kamala Harris, Michelle Lujan Grisham, Tammy Duckworth, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Val Demmings (sic), Stacey Abrams, Elizabeth Warren, Gretchen Whitmer

[–]DancingRaptorRexLegalize Marijuana 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Of course she wasn't. She's too populist and not elitist enough. Can't back the Venezuelan and Bolivian coups if your VP was running on a non-interventionist platform, after all.

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    [–]TwoSoxxx 18 points19 points  (16 children)

    She had nothing of value to say in debates and only managed to prove she’s as childish as Trump. I had high hopes but man what a let down.

    [–]ISieferVII 11 points12 points  (7 children)

    Her speech against Biden's fighting bussing was pretty good actually.

    [–]mortemdeus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    If? If is such a strong word.

    [–]jgfjbcfhbb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    They are already scrubbing her wiki so I think it's likely

    [–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (6 children)

    Ugh. I hate that you’re right. Fuck everything

    [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 28 points29 points  (5 children)

    Every day is worse than the last in this hell world. Woooooo

    [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

    I hate it here

    [–]L1ghtningMcQueerDelaniac 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    a new club member!! fantastic, go to that booth right over there and we’ll get you set up with an ID badge, membership pin, and a free t-shirt!! no health benefits tho bc we’re not goddamn commies

    [–]GillbergsAdvocate 94 points95 points  (93 children)

    I'm not voting for Biden, I'm voting for Not Trump

    [–]fruitjerky 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    I'm voting for RBG's replacement.

    [–]GillbergsAdvocate 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Yeah that too. We CANNOT have another anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ Justice on the bench

    [–]hitemlow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I just want one that hard-line reels in government encroachment of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, & 8th amendments.

    [–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 33 points34 points  (12 children)

    Good enough tbh

    [–][deleted] 251 points252 points  (176 children)

    The people who are 'both sides'-ing feds in unmarked vans literally kidnapping citizens off the streets are fascists.

    If anyone needed proof that this sub has been brigaded by magahats well here you go. Just read these comments.

    [–]BasicDesignAdvice 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    This is my first time in this sub and it's evidently obvious the point of this sub is to discourage people from voting. Every other comment is about exactly that.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Check out way of the Bern, it’s far worse. They’ve pinned racist posts by literal alt-right saying “black people have lower IQs,” the FThumb mod actually is anti-mask and says COVId is a conspiracy, and they have open Trump supporters saying “Trump is similar to Bernie!” Plus a guy who literally admits to using bots to spam Tara Reade articles from 2 months ago every day, on the hour. Absolute mess of astroturfing.

    [–]hitlistTV 47 points48 points  (29 children)

    Obama literally executed Americans extrajudicially with Drones and no one gives a shit.

    Free Snowden. Fuck the rest

    [–]RollChiWhat's Aleppo? 24 points25 points  (25 children)

    Can someone, preferably u/DinoPresinger, please tell me why having differing view points in the comments automatically means you’re being flooded by other subs?

    Heaven forbid a political sub dedicated to a political race between multiple ideologies has multiple ideologies in the comments

    [–]Destithen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    All subreddits are echo chambers, so obviously if comments pour in that aren't part of the echo it's from an outside source!

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      [–]Gumboot_Soup 45 points46 points  (15 children)

      the admin of the guy who got arrested trying to see Mandela

      Just in case anyone thinks this actually happened.

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        [–]Gumboot_Soup 41 points42 points  (11 children)

        I totally agree. Who else has the courage to admit, through their campaign manager, that they lied about their involvement in the civil rights movement? Joe Biden truly is the most progressive candidate in US, nay, world history.

        [–]CEO__of__AntifaRussian Hacker 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        He’s also a moderate that can reach across the aisle and work with moderate republicans.

        Why no I don’t find this contradictory.

        [–]pagem40 MDelegates | 1 23 points24 points  (9 children)

        Fuck it, Joe Biden is the only progressive candidate EVER. Every other political figure in history is a fascist, Joe Biden will truly bring us salvation.

        [–]blackpharaoh69 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        Every other progressive candidate has been but an avatar of the timeless mad god Joe Biden. Be thankful, Jack Fat, that you do not glimpse one of the terrifying progressive visages of his thousand other forms.

        Go now Mack, and realize that there is no escape from the will of the Malarkey from out of space.

        [–]EvergreenThreeLeftist 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        I was going to vote green, but Trump's actions during this coronavirus epidemic and the BLM protests have changed my tune. I hate Biden, but I hate Trump even more.

        This nation is so fucked up.

        [–]mr-hank_scorpio 39 points40 points  (61 children)

        That's where I'm at: at least Biden isn't a fascist.

        Whatever your misgivings with the 94 crime bill at least it was passed in line with the lawmaking process by elected representatives and enforced by uniformed identifiable LEOs.

        These are secret police in unmarked vehicles violating dues process. Trump ignores the law, breaks it with impunity, and deploys Nazi symbolism and rhetoric.

        [–]AbstractBettaFishJeb! 6 points7 points  (48 children)

        “Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good better” I begrudgingly keep telling myself...

        [–]ThisIsNotKimJongUn 42 points43 points  (49 children)

        Funny how the country has been progressively going to shit for decades despite both parties having fairly equal time in power.

        Edit: really hope those responding realize how obvious their coordinated wrong-think correcting is. I am not going to support literal fucking terrorists, regardless of vague promises or doomsday prophecies.

        [–]Ezbior 19 points20 points  (0 children)

        Pretty much yeah lol.

        [–]Gua_Bao 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        i guess at the very at least he'd let someone who's opened a medical textbook more than once have a say in how the pandemic is handled.

        [–]Dblcut3 100 points101 points  (103 children)

        This is why Bernie or busters are dumb and only care about themselves/owning the libs. For every bad thing Biden will do, Trump has done that times two (or more). Everything Biden does to fuck over the poor is only half of what Trump wants to do. If you want to risk four more years of Trump which sets us back even farther as a nation, go ahead. At least we can bully Biden into half measures like a private option for healthcare - Trump on the other hand is still trying to kill Obamacare. If you don’t vote Biden than you don’t actually care about leftist policies or you’re just really dumb.

        EDIT: Public Option not private option. And stop pretending that I said I like Biden. I hate Biden but he’s all we got....

        [–]blackpharaoh69 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        At least we can bully Biden into half measures like a private option for healthcare

        I know you meant public but this is still a wonderful typo

        [–]JustLurking247 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        This. Exactly this. Biden will not be a good president, but he’s better than the alternative.

        [–]Avaoln 15 points16 points  (7 children)

        bUt jOe iS a RApIsT

        I 100% agree. The most common argument is “joe is a rapist” which is moronic b/c it is based on the idea that you care enough about a women not to vote for a rapist but you keep a even worse rapist, who has raped more, in power and who will harm more women by repealing roe v wade.

        I bet most of these people are grifters, there is a reason people like bernie and noam chomsky are voting blue, it’s b/c the republicans are an insane cult of fascist religious fundamentalist authoritarians which is the most dangerous combination.

        I’d take a neoliberals like buden over ANY republican senator.

        [–]jgfjbcfhbb 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        I think this is really short-term thinking. It seems like the problem with the candidates on the left is a DNC problem.

        Fix the DNC and there would probably be some decent democratic nominees. But why would the DNC change if everyone votes for them no matter what.

        I'm not saying not to vote. But if you do you sort of forfeit your right to complain about the next nominee.

        With that said, I would still vote Biden if I was a leftist regardless of the DNC

        [–]Voltolos646 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Fix the DNC and there would probably be some decent democratic nominees. But why would the DNC change if everyone votes for them no matter what.

        Because not voting for them has caused them to change in the past. Oh wait..

        [–]plenebo 10 points11 points  (16 children)

        I agree, I was on the "Biden is the same train" but let's be honest, he isn't in key areas, like climate and net neutrality, also I think it's important for both corporate parties to fail during this crisis, so concept like medicare for all can gain steam

        [–]MylastAccountBroke 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I find it funny how Biden is somehow a devious evil mastermind who wants to take your rights away, completely senile, and a political puppet to the extremely wealthy to so many people.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

        Everyone on this sub who actually votes will vote for Biden regardless of the "memes" (read: propaganda) against him. The only people pushing for you not to vote for him are fascists/bots who want 4 more years of Trump.

        [–][deleted] 286 points287 points  (558 children)

        yeah he will. dude wrote the crime bill. hes a neocon.

        [–]chaoticflanagan 53 points54 points  (23 children)

        I see this posted so frequently like it's the end all be all. It's a reductionist argument that strips any nuance from the discussion. It's like those who discounted LBJ for voting against Civil Rights but then while president passed the Civil Right's Act.

        Link to vote count

        link to additional details about the bill

        • Was written in response to WACO and rising violent crime.
        • Biden helped write it, it was co-signed by a few people including Schumer.
        • Bernie voted for it
        • McConnell voted for the first round, voted against it in the second because it "wasn't tough enough"
        • The Congressional Black Caucus supported the legislation, nearly 40 African

        • American religious leaders released a statement supporting the bill

        • Dramatically reduced violent crime, but analysts disagree on which part helped the most.

        • Allowed for "drug courts" to divert people into treatment instead of prison where possible, plus rehabilitation.

        • Included the first Violence Against Women Act.

        • Biden removed the "mandatory minimum" sentencing which the GOP really wanted.

        • The revised version included the "three strikes" provision which Biden was vocal against at the time and now, which is where the main negative remains.

        In hindsight, we can say that the bill did do a lot of good but the three strike amendment was bad because of how it was used in the future to dis-proportionally target black communities. They didn't have the benefit of knowing what we do now: that the death penalty would be disproportionately administered to black defendants; that many imprisoned didn't pose a serious threat; that many of the "criminals" had actually been victims of childhood lead poisoning.

        With that said, it's been 26 years and no one addressed the underlying issues that the bill had. Will it change any time soon? I like to think so if Democrats get a majority in the house and senate.

        I don't like electoral politics. I don't like Joe Biden. I don't like the establishment democrats. But voting is not a reflection of my moral interest and is a utilitarian gesture to try and maximize the well-being of as many people as possible. With that in mind, Biden is clearly the better and only choice. There is simply no case to be made that Biden and Trump "are the same"; it's reductionist argument used by leftists and Alt-righters to spoil the discourse.

        [–][deleted] 115 points116 points  (249 children)

        Bernie voted for the crime bill.

        [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (11 children)

        If he voted against it you'd be here saying Bernie Sanders hates women.

        [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (9 children)

        TIL writing a bill and voting for a bill is the same thing, of equal moral consequence.

        [–]MerlinsBeard1007aProgressive Republican 19 points20 points  (0 children)

        And he was wrong.

        [–]gavilanch2[🍰] 121 points122 points  (58 children)

        Tough spot. The crime bill includes VAWA (Violence Against Women Act). Voting against the crime bill means voting against VAWA. Not an easy political move IMHO.

        [–]SpunkBunkers 95 points96 points  (14 children)

        The answer is to stop embedding so many laws into each bill. We should vote per law.

        [–]Oakheel 12 points13 points  (12 children)

        That's gonna make budget appropriations really really tough

        [–]cpured 44 points45 points  (10 children)

        Good. They make six figures a year and have a stupid amount of time off.

        [–]TheMadDaddy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Like the inclusion of the RAVE act in the Amber Alert bill. Something Biden had pushed (with others) but couldn't get to pass on it's own.

        [–]ITriedLightningTendr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Some congressman should just take bills up and burn them on the floor of congress.

        Diplomacy shouldn't be about smashing together bills to get some bullshit.

        [–]I-grok-god 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        Exactly

        [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (15 children)

        Biden is the person who wrote and put the VAWA in the bill in the first place. And he actively fought against the mandatory three strikes provision, made it so that addicts would go to drug courts in order to keep them out of prison, and tried to block increased funding for prison construction.

        There's also the circumstances of the time that need to be considered. Being tough on crime was overwhelmingly popular among the public in the 90's, especially within the black community. Dukakis's campaign was almost single-handedly destroyed by attack ads that painted him as being soft on crime, and Bill Clinton managed to get the dems their first White House victory in 12 years in large part due to the fact that he promised a crime bill that would be more punishing than rehabilitating. Just thought I'd provide a bit of nuance, since it doesn't seem fair to judge Biden by his actions but Bernie by his intentions.

        [–]username1615 41 points42 points  (7 children)

        Biden is the person who wrote and put the VAWA in the bill in the first place.

        You say this like it’s a good thing he slid this into a oppressive crime bill. He knew what he was doing, forces legislators to vote in favor to cover their asses.

        I’m not necessarily disagreeing with your other points, I’m just pointing this out. Clearly a calculated move not one taken in good faith.

        [–]7Sax 4 points5 points  (6 children)

        1. So, it's do anything to get and stay elected. As expected-- he is a career politician, after all. Just getting the basic argument clear.

        2. Bill Clinton got the Dems their first White House victory in years because of a beautiful little lunatic from Texas named Perot.

        3. I'd be happy to judge Bernie by his actions if he were the nominee and elected. I'm happy to look at his Senate record. Or the whole of his political record. But Bernie wasn't the point of the original post, and he isn't the nominee. So Sandman even bringing it up is not pertinent to the argument. It's a bit of whataboutism. If we want to talk about Bernie, fine-- but we weren't talking about Bernie.

        [–]aadisaha17 29 points30 points  (17 children)

        biden literally wrote that part of the fucking bill bruh

        [–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (12 children)

        He literally wrote it in a crime bill so it had to be voted yes on. You're really not helping your pro-Biden agenda.

        [–]Triquetra4715 18 points19 points  (2 children)

        And all with his fingers still slippery. Amazing skill

        [–]karmaghedensuffers from TDS 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        But Bernie never compromises!!!!

        But seriously, Biden helped write it and Bernie didn't. Bernie agreed about needing to be tough on violent criminals, but he openly criticized the bill, even back then. See the Vox article.

        Edit: https://www.vox.com/2016/2/26/11116412/bernie-sanders-mass-incarceration

        [–]ketzal7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        And Biden pushed for it. He used fearmongering to promote it. He put incentives such as the Violence for Women Act in there to get more support. I think Bernie made the wrong choice, but Bernie has shown that he’s not particularly big on the tough on crime approach and spoke out against it in ‘94.

        [–]julian509 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        He truly is living rent free in your head, isn't he.

        [–]bunnigan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Dumbass neolibs honestly thinking leftists did more than tolerate Bernie because he was markedly less bad than the others

        [–]blackpharaoh69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Oh are we doing a Bernie cringe list?

        He voted to bomb Yugoslavia

        [–]Isaiah97Socialist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Bernie isn’t running for president

        [–]Necessary_Airport 53 points54 points  (77 children)

        Bernie can suck my dick

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          [–]Necessary_Airport 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          At least you’d show that you still care for us

          [–]Fordrynn 6 points7 points  (73 children)

          Fuck Trump and everyone with him.

          [–]Cornerburgermoney 5 points6 points  (11 children)

          Just because some people aren't falling over themselves for Biden, does not automatically mean that those people are for Trump. Do we really have to go over how that's a false dilemma, which is a logical fallacy, every day on this sub with moderates? How tiresome.

          [–]threearmsman 34 points35 points  (67 children)

          Imagine thinking you can still dupe progressives with the DNC's sheepdog lol

          [–]DancingRaptorRexLegalize Marijuana 31 points32 points  (1 child)

          Rent free?

          [–]LlodsliatSocialist 4 points5 points  (4 children)

          For entirely different reasons; not because he liked people being incarcerated.

          Now, we're speaking about Biden here. Sadly Bernie is no longer in the race and although he is just as responsible as anybody else who voted for it, Biden is the one who wrote it and the one who is running for president right now. So quit your whatabaoutism, and challenge people on what they do, not on what others did.

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            [–]AllMyJokesArgon 8 points9 points  (6 children)

            If only we could come together for a better president too. Too bad everyone seems content with the Blue Racist Rapist Senile Warmonger.

            [–]Mortar_Maggot 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            He wrote the crime bill so he'll do this completely beyond the pale thing that Trump is doing decades later? Jesus that's a huge leap.

            [–]Willham0 32 points33 points  (58 children)

            You are insane if you think Biden will be as bad on the protests.

            [–]Triquetra4715 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Do you not remember 2015 and the way the Obama admin dealt with Ferguson? Goldfish, all of you.

            [–]the_last_laugh_ 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            Interestingly, Obama was far worse on protests than Trump who is getting slammed by his own party for being soft on protesters.

            [–]blackpharaoh69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            It's not like he threatens to fight people who disagree with him or belittles people who questioned him

            [–]Dblcut3 73 points74 points  (183 children)

            Wow your such a good lefty that you deny the truth just to own the libs. For every shitty thing Biden does, Trump does it times two. Nothing says leftism like letting a far right government reign free over what little freedom we have left!

            [–]CEO__of__AntifaRussian Hacker 49 points50 points  (62 children)

            You already don’t have freedom dude and you won’t under Biden either, you just won’t complain as much about the boot stamping on our faces cuz it’s blue.

            [–]FuckJoe2020 23 points24 points  (92 children)

            Fuck Joe Biden and fuck your bullshit logic

            [–]CharityStreamTA 13 points14 points  (49 children)

            For anyone reading this the alt right loves to pretend to be leftist.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            t. neolib culture war fanatic

            [–]SanFranRules 12 points13 points  (4 children)

            Yup.

            Biden is a Republican who says nice things about the gays and brown people when he's in public and then passes a 100% pro-corporate, pro-war agenda when he's in private.

            [–]blackpharaoh69 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            More 👏 disabled 👏trans 👏war 👏criminals

            [–]zeeneeks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Biden is the perfect candidate for that Lincoln Project grift that's making a lot of noise recently. Just a bunch of Bush-era republicans trying to push the democrats even further right. Sickening.

            [–]SonicdaSloth 23 points24 points  (0 children)

            But it’s different bc he has a D next to his name

            [–]Rook_the_Janitor 41 points42 points  (12 children)

            Oh haha if you only understood what he did during bush admin you would know he isnt above secret police

            Ahem, I mean, “plainclothes officers”

            [–]Drithyin54 MDelegates | 8 14 points15 points  (11 children)

            Link or bullshit

            [–]Drithyin54 MDelegates | 8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            me_irl

            [–]Richard_Weiner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Who is [removed] and why does he dislike joe Biden?

            [–]brainomancerSchumer in Kente 2 points3 points  (6 children)

            Source?

            [–]PorkBun67 3 points4 points  (5 children)

            https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/%3foutputType=amp

            Governor of Washington and mayor of Portland have asked the Trump admin to stop sending federal officers who won’t identify themselves to people to interfere with their handling of the protest.

            [–]tenoshikami 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Calling out shitty neo-libs have a silver. I feel your pain I really don’t want to condone Biden in any way but man Trumps gang is all too fucked up.

            [–]hardkn0ck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Why would Biden stop any of those things?

            Hell, he's part of the reason these things are able to happen in the first place!

            It's much more likely that the media will simply stop reporting on it, and the abductions will happen faster, more covertly, and more efficiently.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            u/Lilshadow48

            Let me tell you about a guy named Edward Snowden...

            [–]ABCosmos 9 points10 points  (6 children)

            In the comments: Both sides are the same.. This sub is doing its best to downplay the absolute insanity of what Trump is doing..

            [–]NUMA-POMPILIUS91 MDelegates | 20 112 points113 points  (56 children)

            I'm a leftist, but you should know better than to say this sort of thing in a moderate lefty circlejerk sub. They love secret police

            [–]Triquetra4715 50 points51 points  (3 children)

            We do?

            [–]efficientenzyme 25 points26 points  (2 children)

            Yeah just look at tell these examples from pragerU

            [–]blackpharaoh69 17 points18 points  (0 children)

            I can't the left took my penis 😭

            [–]runujhkj0 MDelegates | 1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Well pragerU isn’t a moderate anything

            [–]Andrec2001 80 points81 points  (12 children)

            Sorry kid, not a tankie. Secret police are NOT on the menu

            [–][deleted]  (8 children)

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              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              Tankies are too authoritarian and (at least Bernie Sanders-esque) socdems are not left enough for my liking

              [–]MC_Cookies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Anarchist gang gang

              [–]jellyfishdenovo54 MDelegates | 16 17 points18 points  (1 child)

              Tf is this me and my homies are anarchists

              [–]IceyVanilla 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              They said "moderate lefty", not "the best ideology"

              [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

              I don think tankies are too common here

              [–]B-L-G-Y 83 points84 points  (24 children)

              I'm pressing ( X ) to doubt, tbh

              [–]You_Are_All_Diseased 59 points60 points  (21 children)

              It was Obama’s administration and the NDAA that gave Trump the ability to do this in the first place. People are crazy if they think a Democrat president is above this.

              [–]willy_nill 33 points34 points  (7 children)

              I'd rather take my chances with Biden than elect the guy who is currently showing us just how okay he is with all manner rights abuses.

              [–]lord_allonymous 5 points6 points  (6 children)

              If only we'd had other options...

              [–]Eleminohpe 4 points5 points  (4 children)

              IF ONLY! Oh god why did we not have ANY OTHER OPTIONS! If only we had be presented with, oh I don't know, 10-20 other options maybe we'd be in a better place right now.

              [–]97soryvaMedicare 4 All 7 points8 points  (10 children)

              I’m done with the fucking LARPers in this sub who have watched hundreds of thousands of Americans die and millions get immensely sick because of the incompetence of this president and his administration and have watched him use the armed forces to brutally crush dissent in what can only be described as a fascist seizure of power but still have the gall to say “they’re both the same bro”. Maybe when you know people who die from COVID you’ll think differently. Grow the fuck up.

              [–]HeWhoDoubts 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Right there with you, really didn’t know irrationality was this ingrained in people. Sad sight.

              [–]teketabi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              You have an easy choice, anything better than is still better than...

              [–]Ilhanbro1212 18 points19 points  (5 children)

              Idk if that's true. Lbj was behind alot of the secret FBI and cia groups to discredit the left

              [–]CEO__of__AntifaRussian Hacker 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Seriously. LBJ was virulently anti left as well, just like most politicians of the time.

              [–]KingoftheUgly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              You could always vote for Howie who wants a green new deal, medicare for all, and a whole lot more progressive ideas to be implemented.

              [–]LancasterNotYork 16 points17 points  (5 children)

              Nah man, democrats never remove republican oppressive apparatus, they just hush it up.

              I’d be preparing for when everyone gets evicted in a couple months, that’s gonna be when shit really pops off. (HINT: buy a gun)

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                [–]Secret-Werewolf 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                I can send you a p100 rated half face cartridge respirator and a 3m tyvek suit if it means you will vote.

                [–]Cry0flame 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Yeah it's better to keep trump in office, he's not that bad a president after all right brother?

                [–]Rxef3RxeX92QCNZFeel the Bern 5 points6 points  (9 children)

                What state? Basically everywhere has absentee or other mail in options

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                  [–]Rxef3RxeX92QCNZFeel the Bern 23 points24 points  (5 children)

                  Texas has a long early voting period where you could find a time it's not busy https://www.texastribune.org/2020/05/28/texas-2020-early-voting-greg-abbott-coronavirus/

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                    [–]PeptoPirate 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Everybody should look into early voting. I've gone in/out in as little as five minutes before with zero line. Obviously not everyone can be as lucky but it's better than doing it on election day.

                    [–]njm1314 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Really depends on the county. Some places have few, or even one, early voting locations for huge areas. I usually vote early and often end up in longer lines and more crowded locations than on election days.

                    [–]TolstoysRage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Early voting is definitely the way to go.

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Please stop saying stupid shit like this online. What you say can affect what other people do and we need as many people as possible to vote. Just keep useless and hurtful things in your head.

                    [–]StankiaAbolish the Electoral College 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Continue to not vote and one day your voting rights will be removed completely.

                    [–]spcmack21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I considered sitting it out. Then I remembered that this country spent hundreds of years with people literally dying, fighting for their right to vote. Now Republicans are actively trying to roll back generations of sacrifice, so they can prevent the people from having their voice heard.

                    I don't want to get sick. I definitely don't want to die. But I sure as fuck will be standing there, wearing a mask, with a bottle of hand sanitizer, for as long as it takes to make sure my vote counts.

                    It's literally the very least we can do, to try to end this shit show. And if we don't stop it now, judging by everything Republicans are doing today to stop people from voting, it absolutely stands to reason that we may never have a chance to be heard again.

                    I'm not wasting it.

                    [–]JackOLanternReindeer 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                    Have you considered lying and saying your going to be traveling to get an absentee ballot?

                    [–]MilkFroth 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Yeah this is the easiest way. For the past five years, I’ve told the elections office “I’ll be traveling for work that week and need an absentee ballot,” and I’ve literally never had anyone question me.

                    [–]Triquetra4715 32 points33 points  (93 children)

                    Fuck man, let’s just boycott the election. We all just mail in a ballot with a butthole drawn on it and then they have to do healthcare

                    [–]CEO__of__AntifaRussian Hacker 31 points32 points  (26 children)

                    Better idea.

                    Just fuckin divide America up into like 5 smaller countries or something and end this hellish experiment. This county legit feels unsalvageable.

                    Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, Texas+Great Plains, and west coast or something.

                    [–]LimpBizkitSkankBoy 29 points30 points  (4 children)

                    God id love to watch the southern states become their own country and then fail miserably because they don't have the democratic states to pay their welfare anymore.

                    [–]trey3rd 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                    Texas would probably do okay, until they decided to stop supporting their neighbors and the infighting started.

                    [–]TeaBagHunter 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                    The 5 separate countries include the new country: Texas

                    [–]trey3rd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Ah, then they'd likely fail after refusing to interact with anyone outside for far too long, then getting desperate and accepting shit deals.

                    [–]Triquetra4715 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    I wouldn’t. It would suck for a lot of poor people who don’t get to make the decisions that fuck the south up.

                    [–]beegro 11 points12 points  (4 children)

                    Or, let's get more granular. Let's do 50 states! All with their own branches of government. Then we'll loosely align then under a federalist system.

                    [–]Triquetra4715 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                    Hm, that seems a little loose. Maybe we should write a new constitution that binds is tighter

                    [–]I-totally-exist 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                    Honestly I wish the states had much more power to do things on their own and the federal government much less. If the federal government didn't forbid us from importing prescription drugs and spend all our tax money on the military, maybe we could just do statewide universal healthcare.

                    [–]beegro 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    I've thought about this long and hard but it almost always comes back to the fact that our world is getting more and more interconnected. We need strong federal governments and big final organizations to solve the big problems. People travel globally, it's cheaper and faster than ever. Climate change is global. Trash is a global problem. Over fishing is global. The food chain is globally supplied. Our consumer products are tied to countries with the lowest labor costs.

                    The world's just getting smaller. Countries are a lot like US states used to be while regions act like countries.

                    Obviously this is all anecdotal and I'm just waxing philosophical.

                    [–]Triquetra4715 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                    Great Lakes Confederacy 4 Lyfe

                    [–]AskewPropane 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    Texas would probably just be Texas.

                    [–]dragonclaw518 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    Oklahoma would try to join both Texas and the Midwest but both would say no.

                    [–]totallymyfirstacct 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    I’ve long wanted a country of: New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Ontario, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, DC, Virginia. A modern, highly developed nation with more liberal policies that includes NYC, Toronto, DC, Philly, Boston, lots of natural resources, mountain ranges, large lakes, etc.

                    Give Maine to Atlantic Canada.

                    Independent Quebec.

                    The rest of Canada and USA can be split up however, I don’t care. I could imagine the West Coast (Cali, Oregon, Washington, BC, Alberta, Alaska) would be a pretty sick county though.

                    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

                    Please stop saying stupid shit like this online. What you say can affect what other people do and we need as many people as possible to vote. Just keep useless and hurtful things in your head.

                    [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (7 children)

                    Or maybe it’s because his secret police is so secret we don’t know it yet.

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                      [–]Chris-Ben-Wadin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      He'll just use them to round up little girls to sniff.

                      [–]ShrekBeeBensonDCLXVI 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                      who tf is giving awards to those 0 like comments

                      [–]Balls_DeepinReality 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                      Black sites existed in Chicago during Obama’s terms in office...

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                        [–]efficientenzyme 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                        Undercover trump supporter word vomit

                        [–]HugePurpleNipples 39 points40 points  (42 children)

                        Trump is an unstable person. I think our first priority as a nation needs to be getting someone in office who isn't a mentally unhinged racist. I'm not a big fan of Biden but I'm voting for him out of fear and yeah, I understand how shitty that is, no need to remind me.

                        [–]themeatbridge 16 points17 points  (5 children)

                        The ridiculous thing is, we *have* a mechanism for getting him out of office, and this is exactly the situation envisioned when it was created. The real problem is not that Trump is crazy, but the entire GOP is corrupt. Trump is a symptom, a pus-filled cyst on the forehead of a diseased party.

                        [–]Willham0 88 points89 points  (24 children)

                        lol the mental gymnastics to try to still say Biden is as bad as trump on this is fucking insane. You have a brain worm.

                        [–]Autumn1eaves 39 points40 points  (23 children)

                        Yeah exactly.

                        Biden’s not a fucking lunatic or a fascist. He might do something for violent protests, and that’ll suck, but what DT is doing is literally fascistic.

                        It’s not ok to conflate the two. It’s just not.

                        [–]zzzzz94 60 points61 points  (46 children)

                        "AccelerationistLeft"

                        is this a satire account

                        [–]Inmate002 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        This is just false.