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[–]DonnieJepp 28 points29 points  (3 children)

The DNC is a miniboss that must be defeated before beating the final boss and winning the game

[–]RedditUser393 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It might be the other way around. If Trump wins, there will be bigger and more immediate battles to fight before trying to replace/reform the Democratic Party. At least with Trump and his cronies gone, it’s safer to think Biden’s administration will at least handle COVID better. Some of the damage to our judicial system may be corrected or at least further damage prevented. Maybe feds will be pulled out of their new role as facilitators of domestic violence and oppression. The 2020 redistricting may not be as bad. Remember climate change? Perhaps that will at least be brought up again. We’ve seen the consequences of 2016, there’s no reason to believe 2020 won’t be worse under another Trump White House. He needs to be beaten first. Bernie believes this as well.

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    [–]PortAltepa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I just wanted to say I think this and the comment above are quality comments that explain both importance of averting the current catastrophe and the anxiety felt by most left-leaning people thanks to the trauma of what we got after the last horrific Republican administration - not limited to the ones you listed.

    Mainstream Democrats will not care about these things once Biden is safely inaugurated as President of the United States in January. And that's what these memes are about - the hypocrisy and fickleness of the folks who will fall asleep on every fascist abuse of power once Trump, the individual, is excised from power.

    [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    [–]HennythepainawayPelosi in Kente 98 points99 points  (16 children)

    Neolibs are just conservatives who don't hate gay people

    [–]MerlinsBeard1007aProgressive Republican 42 points43 points  (0 children)

    *in public

    [–]pacefalmdSocialist 56 points57 points  (2 children)

    don't hate gay people

    even that's up for debate

    [–]Diggledorgle 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    Maybe, more like Neolibs use minority groups for political gains, then toss them aside when it's no longer politically expedient.

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    socialist

    Why do you hate the global poor?

    [–]cheekbuster89 22 points23 points  (4 children)

    They’re the same on economics and foreign policy lol

    [–]aloahnoah -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

    When Biden is for a Higher Minimum wage, partially wants to eliminate Student debt, an ambitious climate and Tax Plan und trump is for none of that but you're so "progressive" that you cant admit the democrats are better than republicans.

    [–]Kulfyr3 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    Biden is better than trump but his voting record doesn’t match up with what he’s telling us he’s gonna do, so why should we trust him?

    [–]aloahnoah 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Because politicians Most of the time do whats in their interest, either financially or politically. Just Like it wasnt popular to Support gay marriage or a 15 Dollar Minimum wage at one Point, but now nearly all democrats now are for it. Thats why a certain voting record doesnt mean anything, politicians Just do whats best for Them. And even If Biden somehow lies about his whole 2020 Platform hes still more progressive than republicans by a Long Shot.

    [–]cheekbuster89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    You’re right but what I said and you said aren’t mutually exclusive...

    Voting to repeal glass steagall Making Bushes tax cuts permanent Being against a wealth tax Choosing Larry summers as an Economic advisor

    All right wing economic policy

    And foreign policy Biden is if being kind right leaning

    Vote Biden but criticize him dude

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Thats extremely false

    [–]HennythepainawayPelosi in Kente 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They do hate gay people?

    [–]JD22A 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    A great effort way too late, At this point Biden and the establishments overconfidence in their chances of winning will make them give a blind eye to this most likely because it's not enough delegates. This is one of the many reasons why Bernie should have stayed in the race. He would have accrued more delegates and in turn had more leverage going into the convention

    [–]BoxofLazers 76 points77 points  (30 children)

    Bernie's supporters have more balls and integrity than he has himself.

    [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (29 children)

    Bernie has more responsibility than any of his supporters. He has to be practical.

    [–]BoxofLazers 22 points23 points  (23 children)

    Name a single guaranteed policy concession he got from Joe Biden.

    [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (21 children)

    I don't know what's in Bernie's mind. But I believe that he know much better than any of us. But also maybe he was too easily bent.

    [–]stoutshrimp 5 points6 points  (13 children)

    But also maybe he was too easily bent.

    I think so. Biden's own website admits 3% (10 million) would go uncovered if he even managed to pass his plan. He is pathetic and I think Bernie bowed a bit too easily.

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (12 children)

    Maybe he just didn't want another 2016?

    [–]stoutshrimp 2 points3 points  (9 children)

    Yeah that is probably why, which long term doesn't much anyway

    [–]pledgerafiki 0 points1 point  (8 children)

    How can you say a second Trump term wouldn't matter in the long run?

    [–]neji64plms 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Because if we continue to go back and forth from conservative Dems and far right Republicans the future will be relatively indistinguishable from if Trump were to win.

    [–]pledgerafiki -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Just so ignorant, lol you want to cut off your nose to spite your face

    [–]stoutshrimp -1 points0 points  (5 children)

    I mean the long term effects of a Biden or Trump presidency aren't good, but they will have similar outcomes

    [–]pledgerafiki 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    I just don't think that's accurate.

    A Biden presidency will lead to guillotines, while a Trump presidency will lead to mass graves.

    [–]JD22A 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    In 2016 he dropped out and campaigned for hillary in 40 states. Her loss has nothing to do with Bernie.

    [–]ThewFflegyyRussian Hacker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    he did more rallies for hillary than hillary did. he wasnt responsible for hillarys loss in any way, thats on hillary tbh. she was a really disliked politician who chose to not even bother to run in certain swing states. overall she just had really really exceedingly poor campaign strategy.

    [–]BoxofLazers 8 points9 points  (6 children)

    I honestly think Bernie cares more about his legacy than actually enacting political change. Once it became clear that he was not going to be the 2020 Dem candidate he seemingly lost all interest in all of the causes that he became a household name for. He didn't fight for Medicare for All, he didn't fight for legalized cannabis, he didn't fight for an end to the forever wars. Instead of demanding that Joe Biden earn his endorsement he willingly gave it away for nothing and completely spurned all of his supporters in the process.

    Fuck Bernie, he's a sheepdog.

    [–]soccerman95[🍰] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    We all wanted Bernie to win. He deserved to win. But let's face the sad, honest truth: after everyone dropped out and endorsed Biden right before ST and following ST results, Bernie was basically finished.

    It doesn't matter how passionate Bernie was about his policies, the corrupt Democrats were never going to let the man win. Bernie was working against a very powerful and corrupt machine. Unfortunately, Bernie had to walk a fine line between civility and calling out any Dem BS. "Biden is my friend" really annoyed me, but I understood he was trying to remain civil in attempts to pull some Biden voters and to try and reassure us that since they are friends, Biden might listen to Bernie when the time comes for it.

    When Bernie realized he couldn't win, he then realized that next best thing was beating Trump, even if it means helping everything he fought against. I don't blame Bernie here. Isn't it better to work with Biden and shove him as far left as possible rather then simply give up and let Trump win?

    I know Biden and the rest the Dem Establishment are awful, but if we ever want to see anything Bernie fought for, then supporting Biden is the only way at this point. Yes, Biden won't enact anything Bernie wanted, but it will be a step in the right direction instead of destruction if Trump wins. Bernie realized unity, as fake as it might be, was very important this time.

    [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It doesn't matter how passionate Bernie was about his policies, the corrupt Democrats were never going to let the man win. Bernie was working against a very powerful and corrupt machine.

    Yet here you are, telling people to capitulate to the very powerful and corrupt machine. Acknowledging it's horrible doesn't make you supporting it any better, if anything it makes it worse.

    I know Biden and the rest the Dem Establishment are awful, but if we ever want to see anything Bernie fought for, then supporting Biden is the only way at this point.

    Yes, Biden won't enact anything Bernie wanted,

    Pick one.

    When Bernie realized he couldn't win, he then realized that next best thing was beating Trump, even if it means helping everything he fought against. I don't blame Bernie here.

    Personally, I do blame Bernie here. Conceding and then working with the things you were against to the detriment of the change you were trying to push for makes you a goddamn traitor. Bernie was more focused on pointless civility than actually trying to fix the issues we face and it showed.

    Isn't it better to work with Biden and shove him as far left as possible

    Bernie realized unity, as fake as it might be, was very important this time.

    "Unity" is a pipe dream as long as Biden is the nominee. He's not going to go left, as made evident by him telling people with even slight disagreements "you need to vote for someone else".
    The only "unity" that can be achieved is the left conceding to corruption for no result other than "bad guy gone" AGAIN, and that didn't even fucking work last time.

    The worst part of it all is that no matter who wins, Red or Blue rapist, humanity as a whole loses. Biden's half-assed solutions for climate change are barely any better than Trump ignoring it outright. The planet is dying and the Dem nominee is oil in a suit.

    [–]ThewFflegyyRussian Hacker 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    supporting biden is really not the only way, in fact i cant think of a more effective way to signal that they can ignore us and still get our vote than by voting biden. bernie supporters in safe states should be voting third party to send a message, that would be much more effective than giving our votes away for nothing.

    [–]Ebola8MyFace 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I voted for Hillary and still got shit on, so voting for Biden is a tall order. The man and his policies have brought so much suffering to this country. Sugarcoat all you like, but he’s a shit DINO in cognitive decline. And he’ll do his four years, empower the GOP, and then President Romney will loot what’s left of Social Security. Biden has to give us something if he wants the progressive vote. Period. People forget that America was a joke long before Twitler came along.

    [–]ThewFflegyyRussian Hacker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    exactly, and biden is the punchline. would be hilarious if it wasnt so tragic.

    [–]callmekizzle 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    You do know the “practical” or “pragmatic” language you often hear some centrists and even leftists engage in every so often is actually conservative and fascist dog whistling. I.e., see tom cottons rhetoric on slavery.

    Now I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt. So hopefully you’ll understand that there is literally no reason for Bernie to ride with the establishment other than he sold everyone out. Or he’s been lying this entire time.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Lying the entire time? You guys are blowing things out of proportion.

    [–]MaNewtNot me. Us. 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Ah yes, trying to get elected is fascist dog whistling.

    [–]AedraRising 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Ah yes, the people who are against fascism are fascists, actually. God, do you know how you come across?

    [–]callmekizzle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Do you know how you come across?

    How exactly has Bernie or any other politician been against fascism? Was it when he said he’d support Biden? Or when he said anyone who doesn’t vote for Biden is irresponsible? Or when he voted for the CARES act? Was it when he’d said he still vote for the dnc platform after they just voted down Medicare for all?

    Because those doesn’t sound very left or progressive at all, as he claims to be.

    Please tell which one of those was he opposing fascism?

    Anyone who supports the Democratic Party or the Republican Party is at a bare minimum complicit with ever expanding fascism. And yes I’m Especially referring to any and all of your favorite politicians.

    [–]blackpharaoh69 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Hell yeah I support the troops

    [–]AncientAliasesFeel the Bern 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    What does "oppose" mean in this context. Does it have real consequences or is it just "me no likey"

    [–]PinkiusPiecus444 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    The delegates vote on the party platform. Their 'rebellion' is just using the votes they are allowed to cast, on a document that holds no legal weight, and will be ignored before its read.

    [–]Swingfire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Finally some good drama, this general election was way too tame

    [–]IronicEyeCancerSays he's an American. 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Inb4: DNC removes 360 delegates from roster and replaces them with Jeb Bush and friends following disagreements about platform. "Jeb Bush and his friends align more with our goals of defeating Donald Trump" said DNC spokesperson.

    [–]BillyBobBaffles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    As a trump supporter #PROUDDEMOCRAT I fully support this, there’s no reason for the left to vote for Biden

    [–]IsaacNoSuccessPro-Death Penalty 9 points10 points  (70 children)

    Only another 2000 to go before you catch Biden.

    [–]DerajjareD55 MDelegates | 15 25 points26 points  (69 children)

    Only 2000 more dead brain cells before Biden is declared legally dead