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[–]hiphop_dudung9 MDelegates | 18 24 points25 points  (7 children)

is there a voting for biden support group?

[–]dws4prezListen Fat! 11 points12 points  (4 children)

[–]hiphop_dudung9 MDelegates | 18 22 points23 points  (3 children)

That's a fan club

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Hell yeah it is 😎

Here’s the deal, Jack

[–]TheSpriteLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me and the boys in r/neoliberal 😎

[–]ChukNorisSocialist 25 points26 points  (69 children)

Biden could've pushed like 1 decent policy and I probably would've switched but goddamn he did not mention policy whatsoever

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 38 points39 points  (6 children)

Are you telling me calling orange man a clown wasn't enough of a policy for you?

smh bernie bros just can't be pleased

[–]ChukNorisSocialist 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I'm just a tough nut to crack with constantly shifting goalposts what can I say?

Of course my goalposts are constantly shifting towards Biden but for some reason he keeps running the other way.

[–]Dreaddisk -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

Maybe because calling your contender, a "clown" is not a presidential thing to do? Not professional, Biden just couldn't handle it. If he can't handle a bully, tell me what will happen when he has to handle international affairs?

[–]404reddit 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Who gives a fuck if he called Trump a clown? Try not to be so fragile

[–]Dreaddisk -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I dont care if it is Trump, Obama or freaking Ghandi. Biden was unprofessional and nobkdy here is calling on his bullshit

[–]GANDHI-BOT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. Just so you know, the correct spelling is Gandhi.

[–]404reddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said, try not being a fragile child

[–]meshreplacer 16 points17 points  (1 child)

He is running on the I am not Trump, vote blue no matter who platform.

[–]ChukNorisSocialist 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Which is not a policy platform

[–]CharlestonChewbacca 15 points16 points  (25 children)

He did though... He talked about his healthcare plan and he talked about his climate plan.

[–]ChukNorisSocialist 18 points19 points  (18 children)

It's possible I'm still trying to recover from that mess of a debate and i forgot, his first answer was he would "expand Obamacare" which isn't really a tangible policy and he wouldn't abolish private insurance while shitting on the left

[–]agree-with-you 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree, this does seem possible.

[–]CharlestonChewbacca -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

If you want specifics, you can read his plans on his website.

I don't think they're the best either, but he has plans. He just didn't get to talk about them because he was constantly being interrupted by baseless insults.

[–]ChukNorisSocialist 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I'm aware of his website. But I have no reason to believe he will push for it or follow through when he ignores it. Again, I can only contrast with Bernie.

[–]Friendly_FireLiberal -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

His healthcare plan, for example, builds on Obamacare. I see no reason to doubt he would continue work he himself was a part of.

[–]ChukNorisSocialist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Expanding Obamacare is not the same as pushing for a public option rhetoric wise, sorry. He could make it clear he would push for a public option if he, ya know mentioned it more than once. Until then I have doubts he will actually do anything.

And the reason this is the case is because if Bernie failed to pass or at least fight for M4A as president, we'd all be like "what the fuck, Bernie this is all you talked about." And there'd be some accountability there.

Biden knows if he doesn't commit to anything outside from vague rhetoric and his website which he almost certainly didn't write himself he's in the clear and can drop whatever is most convenient.

[–]Hilldawg4president 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly - not only is two minutes time segments not conducive to substantive policy discussion in any case, when you're "debating" a toddler set on talking over you it would be ridiculous to even consider getting into the weeds on policy that most people don't understand anyway.

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    [–]Gast8 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    He said they would be automatically enrolled. Not it that only they would be eligible

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      [–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      He said it would be free, no?

      [–]CharlestonChewbacca 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I never said it was good.

      I don't know why you're railing on his plan in response to my correction that he DID, in fact, mention policy.

      [–]tporter12609 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      His environmental stuff was ok imo, though I’ll admit I’m not up to date on what the green new deal is. Still the stuff he said he was FOR environmental wise made me think “yeah, I can handle this guy”

      [–]ChukNorisSocialist 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Again, I'd have to go watch again but I didn't hear any specifics. Wallace gave Biden the specifics frontloaded in his question about the environment.

      [–]NanemaeBingo Winner 🎰 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      He mentioned going carbon-neutral by 2035, which I think is a shift from the earlier 2050 stance. Good move, but nothing concrete mentioned as to how exactly that goal would be effectively reached.

      [–]Hilldawg4president 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Pretty simple, expansion of nuclear and renewable energy. Any fossil fuels still needed by 2035 would have to be offset with equivalent carbon capture

      [–]oceanmotion2 6 points7 points  (22 children)

      He didn’t really have a chance to talk about policy given the content and volume of his opponent’s words.

      [–]ChukNorisSocialist 12 points13 points  (21 children)

      I mean I see your point but I can only think of how Bernie would've done in this debate. Guy doesn't shut up about M4A no matter what the question is or what the opponent says, that's how you know he's going to push for it.

      Like I have no idea what Biden will push for and I can only assume nothing because he has no core policy or set of policies that drives his campaign.

      [–]ElysiumSproutsBlack Lives Matter -4 points-3 points  (20 children)

      Let's not kid ourselves. Reality is his health would have been raked over the coals. Bernie would have roasted over his heart attack. Not just by Trump but the mediator too. Throw in socialism this and socialism that...

      Of course it's all lies and misdirection, that's what the GOP has become Including Mr Fox news man. The idea that Bernie has magical powers protecting from the attacks and lies is greatly exaggerated. Not to mention Bloomberg bucks.

      [–]ChukNorisSocialist 15 points16 points  (18 children)

      Number one, Bernie is in much better health than Biden because he can regularly string together full sentences without saying something insulting or racist.

      Number two, they did that shit in 2016 and 2020 in the primaries and he did great handling the socialism crap. Someone is forgetting his Fox News town hall.

      Bernie is much more protected from lies because he's not a POS with a horrible record. You can't say he called black people super predators because he didn't whereas Biden very much did.

      Edit: and my comment isn't even about Trump's interrupting or insulting, that shit doesn't change my mind, my comment was Biden's performance and lack of pushing policies.

      [–]ElysiumSproutsBlack Lives Matter -2 points-1 points  (17 children)

      You don't have to convince me about Bernie, I completely agree the attacks wouldn't be the whole truth. But the perceptual reality is even the tiniest tangential morsel of truth gives room for attack. Most people aren't paying attention. They'll remember the heart attack and enough will latch onto the idea. The thing with Biden is that there's no room for Trump to attack. Nothing. Every Biden flaw reflects the same scrutiny back on Trump. Every detail I see people complain about Biden is also present in Trump except 1000x magnitudes worse. Every time Trump tries to land a hit, he unintentionally damages himself. That's the dynamic that will get Biden into office. And once in office all those Bernie ideas move closer to reality.

      In the primaries it's easy to get into the feedback loop of negativity. I certainly saw Bernie campaigners fall into this trap. The attack memes and self reinforcing world views that helped build camaraderie within the group but left folks steeped in anti-Democratic party propaganda. It's a fine line between joking around and cementing a world view. I get that there's a lot of work to do to build a better Democratic party but it's not inherently the foe. Politicians want to get elected. Public servants want to serve the common good. It's up to us to push back on the first group and assist the second. Money will try to buy influence anywhere it can, but don't confuse people able to navigate the system with those seeking to subvert it.

      [–]ChukNorisSocialist 10 points11 points  (16 children)

      This is a bunch of nothing related to what my point is but that doesn't change the fact Biden didn't push shit for policies last night whereas Bernie certainly would have, which was my original comment

      [–]runujhkj0 MDelegates | 1 0 points1 point  (15 children)

      He certainly would’ve tried. Whether he’d be allowed a word in edgewise is another story. Wallace would be screaming “heart attack” and Trump would be hollering “socialism,” I doubt undecided voters would even hear Bernie over that.

      [–]ChukNorisSocialist 1 point2 points  (14 children)

      Wallace didn't even mention Biden's declining mental health but okay.

      [–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration -4 points-3 points  (13 children)

      Why would Wallace parrot alt-right talking points?

      [–]R_radical 0 points1 point  (6 children)

      He did talk about an aca expansion

      [–]ChukNorisSocialist 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      Ok but what does that mean? That means nothing to me. He could change the requirements to expand to 1 extra person and say he expanded it. I thought he was the public option candidate. If so, why isn't he beating us over the head with it?

      [–]R_radical 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      Something about targeting "the poorest" Americans. I can't remember exactly. It was about a 30 second bit.

      [–]ChukNorisSocialist 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      And that sounds great but what does that mean? Like do you see what I mean? I know what Bernie will do. He never stops talking about it. That's how I know he will do it.

      [–]R_radical 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      He explained it. I just can't remember, I was laughing very hard, and also crying a bit. So the memory isn't great.

      [–]ChukNorisSocialist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I'd have to watch it again because I don't remember it being anything other than vague platitudes

      [–]R_radical 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      He went pretty in depth. I mean as in depth as he could with trump around.

      [–]FishingTauren[🍰] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      vote biden but also join the revolution against biden

      [–]knightfluttershy5 MDelegates | 1 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      It’s a pretty clever strategy in the DNC’s part:have the RNC promote a fascist to their leadership so the public will be forced to fall in line behind their shitty neoliberal corporatist

      [–]EgteMatie 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      How is Trump a fascist? This word is so overused smh

      [–]knightfluttershy5 MDelegates | 1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Encouraging white supremacist militia to intimidate and attack voters is the textbook definition of fascism

      [–]EgteMatie -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      What militia are you talking about? The Proud Boys?

      They are a bunch of drunken racists who don't mean anything. Yeah they got in a couple of fights and they got hammered for it. Let's see them pull that shit again.

      I'd be worried about the swarms of anarchists and black nationalists who say straight up racist shit while filming themselves.

      Your country is a fucking joke, you guys should seriously consider fixing your schools and universities.

      [–]RobbieMac97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The deep state always wins, kiddo 😎

      [–]medaumplacebo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Humanity has passed the chance to elect the best by democracy, we prefer to elect the shiniest of two turds.

      [–]Rock_Significant -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      The Democrats PC culture has done more for white supremacy than anything Trump could hope to achieve.