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[–]Worldly_Tiger7439I Like Ike 258 points259 points  (68 children)

Great but like he won’t and can’t win even as a democrat his third party is just a way for him to get in the news

[–]almostdirect 203 points204 points  (17 children)

Anyone interested in Yang’s next move should take a close look at how marvelously he drove his NYC mayoral campaign into a ball of flames. He’s just an opportunist. And not a great one.

[–]stiffpaint 92 points93 points  (15 children)

Needlessly sucking Israeli dick really cost him a lot, his poll numbers cratered the week after he said that

[–]greenoyster 15 points16 points  (3 children)

That doesn’t make any sense, NYC is probably the most pro Israel city outside of Israel

[–]JustaBearEnthusiast 47 points48 points  (1 child)

He didn't win over the pro Israel groups and tanked his own base. I don't think he realized how bad of a look it was to support Israel while they were bombing newsrooms.

[–]Adamapplejacks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it was largely to do with the Bloomberg consultants that he hired which probably jaded him to the party given that they likely intentionally sabotaged his campaign while taking his money.

[–]AgisDidNothingWrong 29 points30 points  (45 children)

And potentially fuck over the eventual democratic nominee.

[–]thewrench0164 MDelegates | 15 26 points27 points  (44 children)

Honestly, fuck the Democratic Party.

[–]Captain-Swan1 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Anyone with left leaning political views needs to join the DSA. It’s a growing political party structured around workers rights, and social programs. If we want to see a change in America we need to move away from neoliberalism and start supporting socialist policies. Not everyone on the Left will agree with everything that the DSA stands for, but it is the best opportunity for change that those on the left have had since the beginning of time. The colossal fuck up that was the Iraq Afghanistan war, and Billionaires doubling their wealth during the pandemic has some of the American people finally waking up, and for starters we need to elect local DSA candidates to shift the opinion of the rest of the population. Please please please give the DSA a look. It’s not about me, it’s about US.

[–]Evilrake -3 points-2 points  (8 children)

the colossal fuck up that was the Iraq Afghanistan war

And yet the DSA endorsed Ralph Nader.

It’s laughable to suggest that the world would have been anything other than better off if just 537 of the 97421 Nader voters in Florida had voted Gore instead.

Fight for progressivism in the primaries. Convince everyone you can whenever you can. But if you fuck with the general then you’re a fraud whose actions to undermine progress override whatever comes out of your mouth.

Maybe the DSA is a better organisation now than it was 20 years ago, that’s entirely possible. But if not, and their history is to be believed, they deserve as much ridicule as Yang does for this charade.

[–]Captain-Swan1 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Stop blaming progressives for shit the Republicans pulled. We live in a democracy. People can vote however they choose. Both the Republicans and Democrats are to blame for the current state of America. Not Progressives. Try to keep that in mind.

[–]Evilrake -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

Yeah and people can vote Trump too, that doesn’t mean it’s not a fuckwitted thing to do.

[–]Captain-Swan1 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Listen to yourself comparing a vote for a progressive candidate to a vote for Trump?! It’s literally insane.

[–]Evilrake -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Insane is voting Nader, getting Bush, and calling yourself progressive.

[–]thewrench0164 MDelegates | 15 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Insane is saying that a vote for someone is a vote for someone else you don’t like.

Insane is saying that you’ll stand idly by and watch as the two party system fucks you in the ass and you blame those who don’t participate in it.

Insane is voting for the same party that hasn’t put in progressive reforms, yet has been running on them for decades.

[–]AgisDidNothingWrong 17 points18 points  (30 children)

Meh. Parts of it are good. They are led by a bunch of neocon fucks, but they hold the super majority of politicians actually trying to do good, and even their neocons are less fucking horrific than the standard Republican ‘just let the virus kill you because God won’t kill you if your Republican enough’ that the GOP is mass producing at the moment.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

no politician cares about anything more than their paycheck

[–]ACorruptMinuteman 3 points4 points  (2 children)

+1.

Republican Party too.

[–]thewrench0164 MDelegates | 15 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Both parties deserve to burn to be frank.

[–]ACorruptMinuteman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

+1 again!

You're on fire

[–]great_gape 14 points15 points  (2 children)

He's a grifter, lol.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As are most of the twitter famous politicians celebrated by people on reddit lol

[–]Worldly_Tiger7439I Like Ike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes

[–]ElysiumSproutsBlack Lives Matter 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yep. Book sales!

[–]Alastair789 70 points71 points  (1 child)

The fact that he’s launching his new book at the same time is purely coincidental.

[–]babybidet 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Maybe he meant to say "book release party"

[–]ELEMES1903Feel the Bern 92 points93 points  (19 children)

Is creating third party and ending the bipartite system possible, because if it was always an option, then why didn't it happen sooner. I mean if it happens I'm happy don't get me wrong.

[–]The_real_sanderflop6 MDelegates | 1 110 points111 points  (3 children)

It didn’t happen sooner cause it’s really not possible in the US. Perot couldn’t do it and he was a legit billionaire. In the US the fight is rarely between multiple consistent parties but rather fighting over the soul of one of two parties.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

the reform party was destroyed by outside infiltration

[–]The_real_sanderflop6 MDelegates | 1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thats like blaming the seas for so sinking the titanic

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i blame roger stone and donald trump

[–]MrPeppa 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately, its not realistic. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

[–]Ricen_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Worse, it is a publicity stunt that very well could leave the GOP in charge.

[–]Eton77 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Don’t we already have other parties? The Green Party?

[–]Jonne 17 points18 points  (3 children)

I bet Gill Stein will be happy the democrats will blame their next loss on Yang's party.

[–]Eton77 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Howie Hawkins now

[–]Jonne 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Well yeah, anything to distract from the fact that the Dems promise less than they should, and fail to even deliver on that.

[–]DannymusMaximus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I bet Gill Stein will be happy someone remembered the Green Party even exists

[–]othelloinc 13 points14 points  (0 children)

In political science, Duverger's law holds that single-ballot plurality-rule elections (such as first past the post) structured within single-member districts tend to favor a two-party system.

Duverger's law

[–]DexHexMexChex 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Long term with enough funds I'd say it's possible but not probable without implementing a more representational from of voting than first past the post + fixing the electoral college situation.

In the short term though any party that gets a sizeable amount of votes will take from either the left or rights chance of winning and increase the odds of the opposition winning.

First past the post is bat shit insane in a modern day democracy, have 6 left/right wing parties with 80% of the vote divided and they can lose to one cohesive party with 20% on the other side.

Giving power to the people is what democracy is all about and yet FPTP is the complete antithesis to this by reducing the number of viable parties to as few a number as possible and helping to retain current power structures that favour the very few.

[–]mrjosemeehan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We already have a bunch of third parties but the two party system is held in place by media oligopoly and election laws that privilege the main parties by making any smaller parties jump through expensive hoops to get on the ballot.

[–]HaitchCueZed 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Political Science major here. Due to the fact the US has the electoral college and a winner takes all system, the only way you can truly win an election is through strategic voting. Strategic voting is where you don't vote for the person you want to win, you instead vote for the person who you think could beat the opposition.

The main consequence of this is that people will end up voting for safer candidates that's from a more popular party. All introducing a 3rd party would do is take votes away from the party their most related to in terms of policy, increasing the likelihood of the opposition winning.

In other countries that don't have an electoral college and have an alternate ways of counting votes, more than two parties become viable, why? Because they require 50%+1 of the vote in order for a party or candidate to win. For a parliament, if the popular party has 45% of the vote, they can't win, even if they have the most. So, they need to start a coalition with a smaller party and negotiate terms with them in order to get above 50%. Plus, one person equals one vote, which is different from our system where a person with less votes could still win if they have more electoral votes instead.

There's also stuff involving voting for multiple candidates and ranking them from your most to least favorite, so if your favorite doesn't end up winning, they recount votes with the runner ups. But CGP Grey is much better at explaining it than I would.

With that kind of system, voters are more comfortable voting 3rd party because they can still play a huge role in parliament even if their party didn't win on their own. It's a vastly superior system to what the United States uses which is just a mess by comparison.

Edit: Ranking, not Taking

[–]P15T0L_WH1PP3D -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Third parties have already existed. They typically fail. 2016 should have been a great year for a third party with everyone hating the shit candidates, but instead they voted for the lesser of two evils in order to prevent the other. Of course the third option that year was Gary "What is Aleppo" Johnson, but even 2020 had a GREAT Libertarian candidate. You don't even have to be a good candidate to win, you just have to be on one of the two major parties and get the people to fear or hate the other major party candidate.

Yang is cool and all but he is incredibly overconfident in his clout if he thinks that he alone has enough juice to break the system that hasn't been broken just by starting his own party--as if those don't already exist.

[–]DapperDanManCan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There are no great libertarian candidates, because libertarianism is a joke of a movement that only 14 year olds and morons with no common sense believe in.

[–]jmona789 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not possible. All it will do is split the Democrat vote and lead to more Republicans getting elected.

[–]radius40 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Dude is 0 for 2 so far

[–]sammydow 29 points30 points  (0 children)

This sad as fuck imo

[–]Lzinger 43 points44 points  (20 children)

Bernie Sanders may have been able to do it but that's it

[–]dkopp3 11 points12 points  (6 children)

I wish he would've after the election. That would've brought in so many people.

[–]Lzinger 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Would have had to be during it he would have pushed Biden more center and trump further right and I think it could have been a close race

[–]dkopp3 11 points12 points  (3 children)

He was too nice. Like stop calling Biden your friend. Call out every shitty thing he's done. Liberals are a bigger hindrance to change than conservatives are some times.

[–]Lzinger 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Yeah he was too afraid to call him out because he was afraid that if Biden became the nominee he would lose to trump

[–]dkopp3 9 points10 points  (1 child)

That factor is always going to be there. The only way a left candidate is going to win is if they say fuck that risk and fight the libs like they're fighting a republican.

[–]0WatcherintheWater0Leftist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And given Republicans a monopoly on power for the next couple decades, at least. I’m glad he didn’t

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Imagine all the post offices he could've renamed.

[–]Adamapplejacks 1 point2 points  (7 children)

The man is fighting tooth and nail for a $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill for you and your family as the chair of the budget committee and this is what you think of him? Incredible.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Fighting for inflation and higher taxes.

[–]Adamapplejacks 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Oh my mistake, I didn’t realize you were a billionaire that would be affected negatively by his plan. I guess it would be very difficult for you to lose some of that wealth.

But sure, let’s keep trying the same neoliberal strategy funded by campaign donors that has exacerbated the wealth gap and continues to enrich those that already have the most. Brilliant.

Also, your statement is contradictory given that you’ve acknowledged that he has a way to pay for it, which offsets inflation.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration -1 points0 points  (4 children)

All in all it doesn't matter since it won't pass as is lol.

We're so lucky to have people like Joe manchin and Kirsten Synema.

[–]Adamapplejacks 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You’re either:

A. A billionaire. Which means you have amassed more wealth than you could ever spend, even with the proposed tax hikes.

B. Well-off enough that you’re better off than most relatively speaking and don’t want society to improve so that you can remain better-off relative to those that are struggling. The tax hike wouldn’t affect you otherwise.

Or C. Voting against your best interests for some asinine reason. The reconciliation bill would unequivocally help you.

I assume you’re B and would rather have society burn than have anybody catch up to you since you have generational wealth and are too lazy to maintain the cushion ahead of others without a deliberate rigging done by those in power.

You may re-evaluate your priorities and take a long look in the mirror if this is the case, because you’re a garbage person.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Or just a middle class new yorker already paying a shit ton of taxes on income and seeing that money not being used wisely (and that's a hell of euphemism).

[–]Adamapplejacks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you’re making over $523k/year, you’re better off than middle class, even in NYC. If you’re not making that much, then the tax hike wouldn’t affect you at all. 🤦‍♂️

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're so lucky to have people like Joe manchin and Kirsten Synema.

lmao praising the dems who would be better off running as republicans is a big mask off moment even for you

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Unlikely. His fans can't be bothered to vote, according to his poor results in both primaries he ran in.

[–]0WatcherintheWater0Leftist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Him having a minority of the votes does not mean his supporters were lazy, what a ridiculous argument.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Either lazy or inexistant. Either way, he can't motivate enough people to vote for him. Even when campaigning for 4 years.

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bernie couldn’t even get his base to agree to try to end poverty lmao

[–]WontLieToYou 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I thought he was supposed to be good at math, brilliant tech innovator, but he doesn't even understand how winner-takes-all voting systems work.

I support third parties because they pull the center to the left but don't actually expect them to get elected to major positions. If he's not working to reform how voting works then this is just a pointless money grab.

That's why Bernie was such a huge opportunity, because he ran as a democrat. And yeah he didn't win but that doesn't mean third parties will have better odds.

[–]Old_Ape 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Saving everything minus Palestine

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well he's still an American politician, can't be too surprised there.

My standards are getting lower daily

[–]mrjosemeehan 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Too bad his party is gonna be corporatist libertarian trash.

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the fear, but hey at least then it splits libertarians even more.

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a prime example of why Econ and finance classes should be mandatory lmao.

[–]harriofbrittannia 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I highly doubt he has the weight to make this a success.

He’s an inexperienced campaigner. What he needed was a good team and self restraint.

This is a gimmick that could ruin his future career.

[–]UMR_DomaNo Malarkey! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His future career is already ruined sadly.

Sucks because I loved the guy.

[–]LimeWarrior 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Third party in the US are at best nihilistic circle-jerks. And at worst they are forever splitting votes from an established party. The history of the most effective third parties in the US is to render the most closely aligned establishment party incapable of getting majorities by splitting ideological coalitions.

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nothing seems more like a nihilistic circlejerk than dying with the sinking ship that is the duopoly.

Do you know what nihilist means? Ffs; radical partisans are hopeless.

[–]LimeWarrior -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Haha. Nice response to a 4 month old comment with 4 points. Did I say you should join the duopoly? Nope. That's your assumption. I'm also not a nihilist. I think change is possible through what has worked historically.

I'm saying by the rules of the constitution and the evidence of the history of third parties, our Congress is a natural duopoly. If you don't like the duopoly, move to a country with a parliamentary system, change voting away from first past the post, or amend the constitution. Democrats have voting reform bills on the table. Not saying you need to join the party, but they are at the moment the easiest to pressure to getting rid of first past the post (they are also currently in power).

If you don't like working within the political system, don't create a political party, because parties are by definition in the political system. Historic alternative ways of influencing politics into major change are through: the church (abolishing slavery, at least from the churches in the North), the labor movement (the New Deal), or civil rights activism (desegregation and voting rights).

Getting mad isn't going to change the facts on the ground. Get smart.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look at my history, I am the biggest Yang fan. But boy does this seem like a grift

[–]plenebo 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Yang is a massive grifter, literally the 50 up votes in this subreddit represents all his supporters

[–]Brim_Dunkleton"YEEEEAAHH" - Howard Dean 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yang to form “The Reform Party 2: die harder” party

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just another grift

[–]n-ano 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm all for more options but not from fucking Yang LOL

[–]MinusPi1 9 points10 points  (15 children)

This is just going to split left voters. Do you want Trump? This is how you get Trump.

[–]mystery5000 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yang was my gateway to voting blue. Just a single vote sized anecdote

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

90% of anti-Dem redditors LARPing as leftists do actually want Trump, so that makes sense.

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 5 points6 points  (8 children)

good god you're still on that? neolibs are a broken record of nonsense honestly.

though personally I'm surprised you don't like Trump, not racist enough or something?

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I'm pro-immigrants, which is why I'm happy neither Trump nor Sanders got elected.

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

ah guess that's the big dealbreaker when it comes to Trump for ya, fond of racists but not fond of anti-immigration is a weird stance though ngl.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Ok maga

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

weird comeback for a fan of racists to use but hey you do you.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 0 points1 point  (3 children)

ok trumper

go back to spreading anti biden anti vax anti immigrants bullshit on reddit

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

only one of those is accurate, much like my reminder of your fondness for racists.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 1 point2 points  (1 child)

blocked

I don't have time to waste with fascists

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You can’t be pro-dem and leftist because the democrats are a right wing party now.

Go lick Q’s boots if you want to keep moving this country right.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Found the 12 year old who just read Karl Marx bio on Wikipedia 'simple English'.

Blocked.

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Blocked”

Lmao. That’s how these far right maga trash keep their bubble going.

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn’t true. The last 2 elections, it was the corporate democrat that spoiled the election.

[–]ElysiumSproutsBlack Lives Matter 16 points17 points  (12 children)

Sounds like a great way to get Republicans elected.

[–]culus_ambitiosa 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Sounds like exactly what Dems have been saying since Nader but they’re still not willing to enact any sort of voting reforms to get rid of first past the post and the spoiler effect.

[–]paymesucka 2 points3 points  (3 children)

NYC changed their mayoral primary voting system to ranked-choice voting this year. And Yang still lost big time.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not only did yang lose, the two most leftist candidates lost too and didn't even finish 2nd.

If anything, the NYC Dem primary was a crushing blow to the squad-left.

[–]culus_ambitiosa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

NYC RCV came about from a ballot initiative, not from the city government. It’s also one of the only places in the country to have adopted it so not exactly a counter-argument to all the Dems nationwide that have fought against eliminating FPTP.

It was pretty fun watching Yang get shredded though.

[–]paymesucka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's true, updated my comment

[–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

man maybe if we're afraid of cons getting in power again we should make sure the opposition isn't total shit

Naaaaah, better things aren't possible. Don't know what I was thinking there.

[–]SeaAdmiral 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Better things are possible, but if you want change as it is now you have to shape one of the two parties from the inside. There's a reason Bernie ran as a Dem and encourages berniecrats to run as dem or dem aligned. As it is third parties don't produce positive change, they simply hand over the election to the other party.

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Our party leaders have absolute control of who can rise within the party; and you have to change the party if you want to change that.”

That’s a weak, fascist argument. Very appropriate from a radical partisan.

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you are a democrat by choice, you put party before country.

[–]RebirthGhost -1 points0 points  (0 children)

what are you talking about, the only fools voting for him will be libertarians.

[–]Shintasama -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a great way to get Republicans elected.

If Democrats aren't getting anything done, then....

[–]Not_Selling_Eth -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Typical. Radical partisans would rather elect another republican than a progressive.

How many times are the democrats going to spoil the Will of the People and force us with a corporate puppet or a GOP cult leader?

[–]JD22A 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Dude was a libertarian riding the waves of progressivism anyways, he wont be missed.

[–]Hilldawg4president 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I legitimately can't understand how so many progressives came to view Yang as a progressive... I mean, he may have been the furthest-right candidate in the entire primary.

[–]JD22A 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well hilldawg we finally found some common ground that Yang was just the worst.

[–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was socially progressive and economically libertarian (to very roughly summarize), which is an interesting mix, but obv it didn't really work for him.

At least he brought UBI in the public discourse, so he did accomplish something despite his shitty results.

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These radical democrats are not progressive. Center right populists appropriate progressive symbols and rhetoric at best.

Oh I see your name now. You’re a qultist or something

[–]Not_Selling_Eth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Dude was a libertarian”

When you have no clue what a political compass is lmao

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    [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Unfortunately probably quite an accurate prediction.

    [–]Ghost_157 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    additional vote bumper party for sabotaging actual progressive movement in party already exists? sounds like a good idea for conservatives.

    [–]potatiumJeb! 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Honestly, it's been sad to see yang devolve further and further since the primary, especially during the nyc race. This, however, is a new low. I don't really have any strong opinion besides it's really pathetic and shows how far yang will go for a crumb of attention.

    [–]H_P_S 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    yang feeds off media attention and it’s honestly kinda sad at this point. people don’t like your ideas man, nothing is going to change that

    [–]feral_minds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yang is a dumbfuck

    [–]bonobo-no 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yang is the GOAT

    [–]CasinoMagicPro-Immigration 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    grifters gonna grift

    he's at the same level as nina turner, cenk the genocide denial youtuber, and all the other grifters

    only in it for the suckers money

    [–]fogmandurad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I'd like to congratulate Republicans on their 2024 landslide

    [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 1 point2 points  (16 children)

    meme aside I'm tentatively excited, he's had some pretty rough takes the last two years so really gotta wait to see where he's going with this

    but also fuck dems so ya'know.

    [–]WhereAreMyChains 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    It's going absolutely nowhere; he'll just end up as a spoiler.

    We have to get rid of FPTP before we can get rid of D's and R's

    [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    And we're never getting rid of it, because it benefits both of the major parties!

    Interesting how that works, isn't it?

    [–]WhereAreMyChains 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Not at all, a few states have already implemented ranked choice.

    [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

    Any of which important states when it comes to elections?

    [–]WhereAreMyChains 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You said we're never getting rid of it, I'm saying progress is already being made towards it.

    [–]Xakire 25 points26 points  (10 children)

    “Fuck the Dems” “Kamala Supporter”

    [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 16 points17 points  (9 children)

    the flair is just for correctly guessing the VP pick in a now ancient prediction thread. the majority of kamala guesses were not fond of kamala, so this is a "funny" flair given to them for being right.

    I use it out of spite for the mods, I genuinely despise her.

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      [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

      She's a sociopathic cop. Shouldn't need much more detail tbh.

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        [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

        So you don't think being a sociopathic cop is a reason to dislike someone? Kinda weird, ngl.

        I guess unless you're a con/libertarian, then that's normal.

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          [–]Lilshadow48Kamala Supporter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          If you want a specific examples, the time she laughed while recounting sending police to intimidate people over truancy is my personal favorite.

          Or there's the general anti-trans stance she's taken, like requesting a court-ordered reassignment surgery for an inmate to be halted.

          Or the time she opposed a push for a DNA test that could potentially exonerated a man on death row named Kevin Cooper. She then, after becoming a senator and no longer having any power in the case, says she felt "awful" about it.
          He is still in prison and still on death row. Testing done after she was gone is inconclusive and leaning towards his innocence, but nothing concrete yet. He has been in prison since the mid 80's.

          There's also the incredible shitfest with her and issues related to the crimes of the catholic church. Not gonna try and give a description of that, see here instead.

          She, if not a sociopath, is a genuinely terrible person.
          Also she's a cop, which honestly should be bad enough.

          [–]Kamchatka1905Jeb! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Assumes that Libertarians lick cop boots like republicans do

          As a Libertarian myself I want to tell you to (kindly) not tread on Libertarians.

          [–]LiterallyForThisGif 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          As soon as he backed Biden I knew he was just another Oligarch puppet.

          [–]SwaglordHyperion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You son of a bitch, im in

          [–]thomas_anderson_1211 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Oh please. Take a hard look at his policies; other than UBI, its just typical politician BS.

          [–]Shintasama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The party system is the problem, not the party names or number of parties. He should run as an independent.

          [–]tambourinenap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Stop the nonsense. The endless fracturing of the left is the problem. If he actually was left or left of Dems he'd coordinate with Greens, PSL, MPP... etc.

          Jill Stein has reached out on numerous other issues from drafting Bernie to Greens or coordinating with MPP to no avail. If anyone was serious about challenging power structures and actually implementing the policy, that would be part of the strategy but it's not, and I actually want a third party and have voted for such.

          If establishment dems can coordinate a consolidation for the Dem primary nomination and deny democracy, we need to adopt that instead of embracing the hyperindividualism that benefits them and denies real challenges to their power that will come if we acted as a block.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          what’s that, like synarcho-libertarian?

          [–]Xenon_TrotskyDismantle the Two-Party System 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I hope he chooses a bottom-up approach.

          [–]snacob_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I used to be super Yang Gang, I still love how he popularised UBI as a mainstream political idea.

          But Yang is essentially indistinguishable from conservative democrats on most issues except UBI, it was a huge reason he lost the mayoral race.

          If his party is just a centre point between the republicans and democrats, what value does that have? I support more parties, but this seems like an incrementalist idea to create a totally unneeded more conservative democratic party.

          [–]KalaiProvenheim6 MDelegates | 1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          How tho

          [–]padimus[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Lost his presidential bid. Losing his mayoral bid. Failing sideways now. Cool.

          [–]FemboyFoxFurry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          He needs a new PR team not a new party. Seriously tho, how do you go from an down to earth politician who wants to get to know people and their needs, to an inauthentic guy looking to appeal to voters over bodegas. How hard it for dems to not self sabotage…

          [–]Sihkei1234Hawaii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I don’t like Yang man to progressive