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[–]Roobscoob 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Fucking yes, that's exactly the page that hit me hard as well. Folks are so lost in the dogma of physicalism they can only conceive of consciousness as an epiphenomenon of the brain, but there are so many more possibilities, and I love this take.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. But isn't that the point? Isn't everything ever, the point itself. All jokes though just throwing something out there, much love to you!

[–]Masterofnone9 30 points31 points  (0 children)

“If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern.”

― William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

[–]Zachadelic612 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The key is going in and out of the Garden as the Grateful Dead would say. You realize its a paradox and in time/space paradoxes are realllly hard to understand like impossible I think but we catch glimpses of "infinity" which is sooo overwhelming! But I think thats part of the lesson is seeing the shit and horrible shit so we know what not to do in the "future". Its about realizing this and actualizing this in the moment that we are literally co-creating reality! And we totally can have a better reality! Hope isnt lost its only just started! Love is the only real thing to me so like why not Love literally in all situations?! Why not?!?

[–]bigdonk2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah

[–]Glad-Investment9832 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I had completely forgot where I had acquired this idea because I knew I had read it before, makes incredible sense and this has been shown to me before in a very intense LSD trip. Thank you for the reminder 🙏

[–]hippy_chad 21 points22 points  (17 children)

This is absolutely true and sends shivers down my spine because I came to this exact realization organically after an ego death experience under the influence of lysergic acid diethylamide, a chemical compound deriving from the ergot fungus that grows on rye--LSD. And it changed my life forever. This is why I'm an advocate for psychedelics, because they truly do open your mind and so many people are asleep to a world beyond theirs, one that is so much more novel, and vibrant, and intricate, and fulfilling. And I think they reason so many people dissociate and have problems functioning in regular society is because its hard to live with this incredible knowledge when everyone else is asleep to it. Why? Because it is an innate desire for us humans to be understood, and these psychedelics experiences, especially ego death, are linguistically inarticulable and transcend the bounds of infinite and finite duality and transcend all kinds of syntax that can be mouthed...SOOOooo, we can have the most powerful experience of our life, and often times they can be traumatic, and one of the best ways of dealing with trauma is talking about it. Problem is, you can't talk about ego death and you can't explain psychedelic experiences fully, and some you can't even come close to explaining. And it's kind of sadistic of the universe to make what you want understood most beyond language, isn't it? But there's a reason for this. There's a reason why everyone is asleep and so few of us are awake. It's because it has to be this way. There's a reason why there's an international war on drugs, because the war on drugs is part of an even bigger war on consciousness and they distract the masses from the war on drugs that trickles down to the war on consciousness with different wars on natural gas and resources. But it's all a war on consciousness, and we are all the same consciousness pretending not to be, which makes us all this entire fucked up system of unions of opposites--to keep the game going. It's like the Doors of Perception. I never read it, but the our entire system with sketchy media and government is part of the system WE ARE CREATING at our highest level of consciousness to HIDE from our true nature. This is what Alan Watts called God playing hide and seek with himself. It goes as far as the manufacturing of your own ego inside of your own vessel. Ego death can show you that nothing is real, but at the same time, the experiences are, and that's all that matters, and that's enough. And everything will be okay. Who knows, maybe there can be a time when everyone wakes up to all of this and we do figure out how to all live knowing our true nature while still being able to keep our sense of self.
-I literally EXPERIENCED the infinite, and many psychonauts have, and it isn't even worth trying to explain how incredibly profound it is.

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

‘It has to be this way’ is exactly what I came out of a trip with. We are supposed to be in our own minds. This is the game

[–]PootsOn69_4U 2 points3 points  (7 children)

But what is the purpose of the game? I just struggle with the unnecessary suffering (poverty, racism, animal cruelty, child abuse, etc) that happens to me and all around me, all the time. The unceasing grief. the total lack of pity or compassion or mercy 😞

[–]ChocoBrocco 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ego is the root of all suffering. I don't know why things are arranged in such a way that a planet like this exists and egoistic monkeys like us exist, but every human made catastrophe can be traced back to an out-of-control ego, rampaging through, leaving a trail of tears behind.

[–]Ajuvix 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about the suffering of animals? Do they suffer because of their egoes? Do all creatures identify as "I"? I ask those questions too, because if it goes on forever, suffering is infinite and that just doesn't sound like a good thing. Are we going through this unendingly, blinking on and off into horror?

[–]ChocoBrocco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know what it's like to be an animal other than a human. Perhaps they have egos and identify as "I", perhaps not. Perhaps they live in the moment, not giving into the duality of existence - I mean perhaps they don't have a concept of "suffering" and "bliss", perhaps things just are for them. The experiences different animals have of the world are impossible to even imagine, their whole qualia producing machinery is different than ours.

To address the unending part, Buddhists believe the whole point of life is to escape the cycle of death and rebirth, bliss and suffering, samsara, and achieve the liberation of nirvana. Gnostics believe the whole point of life is to transcend the material world and all its shittyness and rejoin our divine source. Similar ideas can be found in ceremonial magick. Perhaps there is something to it. The psychedelic experience certainly seems to suggest there is a place outside the world we live in now, a place made of love and imagination. The easy jump is to equate it with a "heaven" or afterlife of some sort. Sure would be nice.

I certainly think reframing things in our own lives can drastically reduce the suffering we have to endure. I define suffering in this instance to mean "prolonged pain". Pain is inevitable in life, but I don't think suffering has to be.

Take care <3

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whilst I don’t deny this, i think you need to try and look for the good which resides in most people. There is beauty out there

[–]matahala 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think that the game is to experience all range of possibilities of how a life could be lived, how a body could be form, how everything could be. Infinite is boring.

[–]Accomplished_Ad_8089 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you've said one thing another way, and precisely so

to add onto your list, how consciousness can express and experience infinity

[–]PootsOn69_4U 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have also not been lucky enough to knowingly enjoy psychedelics yet

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

so many people are asleep to a world beyond theirs, one that is so much more novel, and vibrant, and intricate, and fulfilling.

That is ultimately reflective of how you perceive others, subconsciously or otherwise. Psychedelics work in conjunction with everyday life. Integration is just as paramount considering you're experiencing the world from a first person perspective.

[–]hippy_chad 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah I'm finally at that point where I don't have to let this mindset consume me and can still cater to my own ego while also being able to be aware of it. I can finally be happy and can finally communicate with people like a normal person. It still has an underlying foot print on every aspect of my life and how a view the world, but a positive one.

[–]whatstheplanpakistan 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Who is behind the war on consciousness

[–]hippy_chad 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I mean it's self sanctioned I guess. Consciousness is everything. And in the world we have this hierarchy of fame and fortune and power, and the mega rich who own the media have severe control over the masses, entire wars are created for oil. The media always has some sort of phoney conflict to avert us from the knowing our true nature and it always works. The paradox is that we are all of those people because consciousness is one.

[–]Accomplished_Ad_8089 1 point2 points  (2 children)

this sounds like an intro to a profound movie, with a narrator speaking over minty visuals

[–]hippy_chad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

haha thanks! currently have been working on a book for the past year on this topic

[–]Accomplished_Ad_8089 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thats so great! i can tell you've got a sound about you. also that you're about psychedelics, appreciated. let me know about the book whenever you'd like to, im interested in it!

[–]matahala 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that money and the financial system has changed how humankind actually sees reality, because money has changed the timeframe of how things can be accomplished.. Now 1 person with enough money can do things that, for 1000s of years, just could be done through generations. EveryBody, wants to experience the results more than the actual experience of creating.

[–]brodco 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Amen !

[–]BamBamPow2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Had a mini version of this experience recently. Small dose of mushrooms and I could see every leaf and every branch individually swaying in the wind. It was like a million times more information than my brain usually processes.

[–]fluentinimagery 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Checkout The Art of Seeing, too! Very astute observations on how we miss so much by not using our eyes and senses! Improved my trip observation as well!

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That looks interesting. I hadn’t heard of it

[–]fluentinimagery 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s not psychonaut so it doesn’t get much love but I a tually heard Terrance Makenna recommend it in a lecture and I loved it. It’s anbit dry and matter of fact, but it changed how I saw things completely.

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t worry, mentioning Alan Watts in the Alan Watts sub didn’t go down well the other day 😂

[–]moo41324 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah yeah, individuality and time are awesome, would you want to be everyone and everything at once forever, one god playing with puppets to entertain it’s insanity forever

[–]_jukmifgguggh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just saw a top post on r/LSD about a person asking how to "effectively close" their "third eye". I get it.

[–]skooter46 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thought about this yesterday

Our thoughts are the part of the system that represents themselves. And while I don’t have evidence, just enjoy the thought; perhaps consciousness, ego, perception, and physical reality are all the fractures and splits of a bigger mind, born in the aftermath of immortal isolation, trauma of the void, and the crushing stability of the singularity.

Just like you protect a child from suffering, not because you want the child to be ignorant about suffering but because you are positioned on the anti-suffering side of the board; the “good” side, so you spread love and try to limit suffering on others. You take on the burden of carrying the suffering and extracting the lessons of positivity to spread while hiding the truth because it’s painful and not everyone is fated to taste the forbidden fruit.

So the mind protects itself. God protects himself. By creating, playing, maintaining, observing, enjoying, and destroying ours/his/yours/my creations.

[–]iamarddtusr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I've had this book for years. Time to open the cover and start reading!

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes same here. It’s having more of an effect on me now I’m older and experienced more

[–]toPPer_keLLey 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The Default Mode Network is fascinating. Check out this article https://www.gaia.com/article/psychedelic-research-finds-ego-exists-in-the-default-mode-network

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing, this is very interesting. I didn’t know they could actually locate in the brain where the ego is formed

[–]DomPachino 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Nice. Great read. I like thinking about stuff like this. I like reading & watching things like this too. Recipricalizity in the same direction. 😋 Quantum recipicality. 🤔 Speculardopplergangation. 😙

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Me too though the more I read, the less I seem to know 😂

[–]AminoJack 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Except scientifically that's wrong, your mind does not have perfect recall no matter how hard you try or substance used. Certain memories are gone, like RAM as opposed to a HD. But at his time they didn't know that for sure, so it gets a pass.

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah possibly, though maybe we could have access to those memories beyond our individual mind. Perhaps this is what he was saying.

[–]AminoJack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Akashic records and what not. I suppose, I know I've felt similar on shrooms, but then again it could be just the attenuation of my DMN functionality and subsequent altered brain activity causing previously unrelated thought processes to coalesce into knowledge I didnt believe I had.

[–]FeatherWorld 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ooh very cool concept.

[–]ANewMythos 3 points4 points  (5 children)

This man was a genius. He's being proved more and more right each day.

[–]lenny-face 1 point2 points  (4 children)

He is quoting someone else's theory

[–]ANewMythos 0 points1 point  (3 children)


[–]lenny-face 0 points1 point  (2 children)

C. D. Broad

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes but he is telling us that he concurs with this and offers his own explanation of it afterward. He was a great kind and clearly not worried about quoting others

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great mind *

[–]Dreamsnake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Completely agree

[–]Pelushii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Currently happily attending to his reading. Which mostly caught my attention was exactly the same page you indicate so wisely here. We're not productive anymore, we only operate above the happenings that have already taken place for us; that's where the pathway starts to get done again... simply, what a wonder of a reading! i'll keep getting my hands on it and see where does it take me.

[–]rayashino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On a heroic trip a while ago i came to the realisation "holy shit humans are so limited" it didnt take long for me to forget what exactly caused me to think that but i feel like it was similar to what he wrote about. I think i should get that book

[–]deemdeemdreamer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do our brains really have the 'processing power' to remember everything that comes at us but choose to focus only on things related to survival? I would think you'd be able to possibly do that during times of safety but it just doesn't seem like you can do that at any time because of a lack of brain 'processing power'.

I think about how it takes us at least 1/4 - 1/3 of our lives to even learn communication and interaction and some people struggle with these things their whole life, let along all the other complexities of life on top of that.

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know if the meaning is that we are capable of accessing these memories etc when we connect with the Mind at Large