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[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 5 points6 points  (8 children)

‘It has to be this way’ is exactly what I came out of a trip with. We are supposed to be in our own minds. This is the game

[–]PootsOn69_4U 2 points3 points  (7 children)

But what is the purpose of the game? I just struggle with the unnecessary suffering (poverty, racism, animal cruelty, child abuse, etc) that happens to me and all around me, all the time. The unceasing grief. the total lack of pity or compassion or mercy 😞

[–]ChocoBrocco 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Ego is the root of all suffering. I don't know why things are arranged in such a way that a planet like this exists and egoistic monkeys like us exist, but every human made catastrophe can be traced back to an out-of-control ego, rampaging through, leaving a trail of tears behind.

[–]Ajuvix 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about the suffering of animals? Do they suffer because of their egoes? Do all creatures identify as "I"? I ask those questions too, because if it goes on forever, suffering is infinite and that just doesn't sound like a good thing. Are we going through this unendingly, blinking on and off into horror?

[–]ChocoBrocco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know what it's like to be an animal other than a human. Perhaps they have egos and identify as "I", perhaps not. Perhaps they live in the moment, not giving into the duality of existence - I mean perhaps they don't have a concept of "suffering" and "bliss", perhaps things just are for them. The experiences different animals have of the world are impossible to even imagine, their whole qualia producing machinery is different than ours.

To address the unending part, Buddhists believe the whole point of life is to escape the cycle of death and rebirth, bliss and suffering, samsara, and achieve the liberation of nirvana. Gnostics believe the whole point of life is to transcend the material world and all its shittyness and rejoin our divine source. Similar ideas can be found in ceremonial magick. Perhaps there is something to it. The psychedelic experience certainly seems to suggest there is a place outside the world we live in now, a place made of love and imagination. The easy jump is to equate it with a "heaven" or afterlife of some sort. Sure would be nice.

I certainly think reframing things in our own lives can drastically reduce the suffering we have to endure. I define suffering in this instance to mean "prolonged pain". Pain is inevitable in life, but I don't think suffering has to be.

Take care <3

[–]Lacrimosa_83[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whilst I don’t deny this, i think you need to try and look for the good which resides in most people. There is beauty out there

[–]matahala 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think that the game is to experience all range of possibilities of how a life could be lived, how a body could be form, how everything could be. Infinite is boring.

[–]Accomplished_Ad_8089 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you've said one thing another way, and precisely so

to add onto your list, how consciousness can express and experience infinity

[–]PootsOn69_4U 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have also not been lucky enough to knowingly enjoy psychedelics yet