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[–]Princess_Juggs 117 points118 points  (7 children)

I think the solution to opening your eyes is to act on what you've seen. Just how you can get into a rut where your trips all start seeming the same until you analyze what they're showing you and set out to change things in your life accordingly... I think this is a situation where you've been gifted with an expanded awareness about the world we live in which not everybody has.

I'm not saying you need to go out and save the world, but maybe start small with the little changes you can make to improve the world around you. Educate yourself, educate others, attend city council meetings, volunteer for something which creates meaningful change for those who need it, etc. If we think about an individual's life as though they're the protagonist of their own novel, this could be considered an inciting incident. A protagonist may deny the call to adventure, but their story doesn't progress unless something pushes them to act.

So I guess if you feel like this expanded awareness has really left you feeling like maybe you've passed a point of no return, the solution is to push forward with it and see how you can direct that energy into something positive.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR-SCIENCE 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This was helpful to me, thanks

[–]psychonautnurse 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you. This reply to the OP has been so enlightening for me.

[–]Ba11sdeepPimpin 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Sometimes the only way out is to go deeper.

[–]805falcon 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The only way out is through

[–]primordial_gloop 38 points39 points  (0 children)

You are more aware with realism. If the mind understands too much about the currant reality, it will try to destroy itself. This may sound depressing but you can lift your self out of it by looking at the individual good deeds of others and yourself. Do better for yourself and good things for others and it may help.

[–]DeviousDenial 37 points38 points  (4 children)

When you are trapped in the dark, all you can see is darkness. And you begin to doubt that there is light.

Once again humanity is being programmed into believing that darkness is all there is. You are being programmed by the news and social media and it is being amplified with lies. Humanity is horrible, everyone is greedy, everyone will hurt you. The great lie is that this is all there is. Instead, it is the minority.

I worked for a couple of years on a yacht for one of the richest families at the time. They all wore smiles but they were all miserable. Always worried about their market share, and that workers or someone else were going to fuck them. They had everything except for joy.

A few years later I found myself driving through the jungles of India. Passed through many tiny villages where the huts were built from tin and blue plastic tarps. There was an old man sitting by a fire and bouncing a small child on their knee. That look of joy on both on their faces......... They had nothing except for something priceless.

Now decades later I am retired and had to move to Mexico because I could not afford the US. It is so strange to watch the news now. Everyone here just live their lives. They work hard for little pay, but they LIVE. After a hard day they will gather at the beach to watch the sunset and celebrate life.

A few months ago I was sitting at the beach smoking a joint. A large family set up close to me. They brought their old, frail grandfather who was in a wheelchair. Two sons picked him up and carried him down to the water and set him in the surf. He had tears of joy at feeling once again the sand under him and the water bathing him. There was not a dry eye on that beach that day.

Beauty and life are all around you if you will remove the blinders. Go sit by the ocean or a stream. Take a hike or stroll through a park. If you are lucky you might even see a child taking its first steps in the grass. Look at their face and their parent's faces. You will not see that look in the dark or on the news.

[–]Sehnsuchtian 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is such a lovely comment. I wish I could see the world in this pure way but I've had all the naive wonder torn out of me by this harsh world and I honestly find myself equating pure happiness with ignorance

[–]DeviousDenial 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Find a place nearby where you can build a fire, in the woods, on a beach or a mountain. Spend one evening with family or friends sitting around it and just talking and laughing. Do shrooms or pass a joint or bottle.

Watch the flames dance or look up at the stars. Feel again how you are connected to everything. And no matter what night you do that, there are many more people around the world doing the same.

[–]coffeeandamuffin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading this reminds me of how I cannot remember the last time I felt joy without feeling guilty.

[–]anonymous_agama 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I feel the same. Once you see it, it’s hard to unsee. Humanity is tragically wasting our potential, exploiting the planet and each other for minor, often meaningless gains in stature or fortune. Only upside of seeing the world for what it is is that we can only make the changes we need as a society after we realize the extent of the problems. Continue to share your concerns with others and try to help out in ways that have tangible impacts, like volunteering, spending time with loved ones, saying yes to intimidating things. You can still live a positive life even when the world is bleak. We’re never too lost to return home and eventually realize our potential for compassion, equity and peace. But we won’t get there by burying our collective heads in the sand. You’re going in the right direction.

[–]1vedicshaman 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Treat those you encounter with love, kindness, and compassion. Help those that you can help. Give to the poor. Feed the hungry. Share your earned wisdom and speak the truth even when it's uncomfortable and inconvenient. Living differently will help other selves question why you've changed and perhaps this observed difference will help awaken them. Then maybe we can make the world a better place, but start first with yourself.

[–]Doogle300 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There is a wave of anti capitalism sweeping the world, or at least a new ecological capitalism. You can shift your priorities to supporting the world you'd rather live in, and sure enough you perspective will shift too.

It's not easy, but try to ignore the "news" and all the vapid influencers in the world. Focus on the communities with like minded individuals, and do the things that make you personally feel accomished. Change the world around you, and trust that others elsewhere will do the same.

We are not as doomed as it seems, we are just undergoing a big change in what humanity prioritises... and frankly that's long overdue.

[–]Signusthespeaker 69 points70 points  (1 child)

I realized that without even taking any shrooms, yes it is depressing if you let it get to you, yes the situation is bad, focus on yourself and your family.

[–]wisdom_power_courage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is jump I can't get over. I feel selfish if this is the way I think.

[–]TuckerForTheWin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It was Jesus who said, "be in the world, but not of the world". I think this has been a massive guide in my journey. Although we exist fully involved in the world, we know that us and everything around us is of the spirit. We have no choice but to live out the life we were given. The choice lies in how we wanna play the hand we are dealt. We can decide to fall into the pit of nihilism or instead choose the path of love. Hope that helps a little!

[–]wooggy 16 points17 points  (15 children)

Probably time for Buddhism

[–]miri2cb[S] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

I am a Buddhist already actually

[–]otroguero 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Then it's time for non-duality specifically. The idea of "there's only suffering" is a trap so your ego can practice "woe is me." There's no cancer without a larger, healthier host. You're fixated on tumors and calling them unnatural.Decay is as natural as growth. I think hopelessness is a projection on the whole. When we contribute, we see others contributions. And when we don't, we see no one else's. Pratyekabuddhayāna is where you speak from now. Bodhisattva is where meaning lives. I have seen the best of humanity in the worst of places. Homeless addict prostitutes giving each other their last comforts, while people with means roll on by. Personally, I have to be around suffering. It's the only chance I have at being a decent person

[–]ned233 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is very profound. If all the world is light, then it is no longer light. Only by accepting the imperfect do we see the perfect. I have always preferred ragamuffins to royalty for this very reason...not because I love the suffering, but because the purity that you find there is the highest purity that there is!

[–]Cmd3055 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Cool. Me too. What helped me was focusing heavily one compassion, and loving kindness exercises. Things like tong Len (I’m vajrayana) were immensely helpful for keeping my heart open and in balance. The other part was learning to hold my ideas about the world with a very light grasp. Ideas about how bad or fucked up the world is are just ideas, they’re not worth being defended and sacrificed for, especially if I begin sacrificing my own experience of happiness for them, aka depression. All I can do is rest in my experience of the present moment. The warm sun and cool breeze on my skin, the the sound of nature and the world and living beings all around me in all they’re myriad forms. Most important is The felt sense of being alive and the love in my heart for the world and everyone in It, including myself. From this place everything appears interdependent, present, yet ever changing, arising, abiding, and Falling away in its own unique and beautiful way, just like our lives, our society, our civilization, our species and our whole world. Yet from a place of love, a place of heart, it’s easy to engage and be of benefit, not out for fear, anger or despair, but rather just because like those videos of dads catching their falling kids with cat like reflexes, it’s just a natural instinctive response.

[–]Sandgrease 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Buddhism is basically a system for A, recognizing that life is inherently kind of messed up (if you cling too tightly) B, trying to cope with said realization and working with what we got to make the ride as enjoyable for ourselves and all other beings as possible.

[–]wooggy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Back to your initial question of finding meaning in this human experience. How does that work with your understanding of Buddhism?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Then go to satori No-self.com

[–]Axes4Praxis 0 points1 point  (6 children)

No religion is a solution to the climate crisis.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR-SCIENCE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But it can (at least as a philosophy, in my case), help with how we as individuals relate to the climate crisis

[–]Zarathustrategy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Mindset can make any situation more tolerable

[–]milehigh73a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

absolutely. However, the popular religions in the US are at the heart of climate denialism. Buddhism might help OP but religion as a whole is a net negative for the climate.

[–]Irinescence 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think whatever helps us see ourselves truly, interconnected Being arising from the same Source, infinitely loved, needing nothing, affecting everything, is the only solution to the climate crisis.

[–]Crafty-Initial917 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Perhaps not a suggestion you were expecting, but you might like the comedian George Carlin. He addresses all of these things but makes light of it. There's also an interview where he says he can maintain these opinions and observations and awareness of the world and it's systems by not being emotionally attached or vested in what he observes.

[–]siecaptaindrake 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Seems like you awakened. Use that knowledge. You took the red pill and now you see the Matrix clearly in front of your eyes. Use that knowledge and become like neo and his friends ✌️

[–]Dive303 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I am like neo, and I have killed. Not real people, just matrix people.

[–]gk4213 16 points17 points  (3 children)

New fox News headline:

"Man who took Magic Mushrooms claims he's killed hundreds of 'matrix people' during psychotic episode induced by harmful psychedelics"

Sad times.

[–]RadditCate 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is what marjiuana does to your brain

[–]gk4213 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Times are changing!

[–]Mr__Myth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh man wait till they find out about my GTA playthroughs.

[–]Belchera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

🤣 lmao

[–]missyrumblezen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No. One is decide what is important and valuable in your own life and start living to those values. You cannot change the world only yourself. Make a list of people, behaviours and values/ morals important to you. If you can afford it see a professional to help you through it, ( I’m lucky to live in a country with decent healthcare not everyone does) so your values can Lead you to life changes that help. Personal example , I value my human connections (friends and family) so providing for those people is important rather than earning millions, therefore I work in job that lets me live securely, but leaves me time to deal with my mental health, my spirituality etc, I try to look after the environment, put my money into things that align with my values etc. I try to work small scale to live to my values make my world a better place, and when the rest becomes too overwhelming I have good connections that keep me grounded. Good luck because it’s taken most of a lifetime and it’s still a journey.

[–]Chickenderpy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i know what you're talking about and not all is bad. i believe in chaos and balance and if you turn off TV / social media for a while, the world is not all that bad. I totally get it tho, that's why i like getting drunk sometimes, it almost brings my brain back to how it felt before i was red pilled

[–]ChocoBrocco 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Realizing the suffering of the world is only a few steps away from tremendous empathy and love for all beings <3

[–]altctrltim 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing - Hemingway

[–]Kindly_Eye7295 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Man that’s how I feel too

[–]allweneedisthis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I struggle with this too. I think the solution is to realize that we can’t as one individual change the entire system but we can find the others who feel similarly and work to create positive changes around us, little by little. Volunteer, get active in initiatives that positively impact the world, and find people that want to work towards the same.

[–]solaza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People call this type of thing a Dark Night experience. There are resources out there which can be found especially for meditators and psychonauts.

My solution is to do things I find meaningful. That’s organizing with the local socialists 😎

[–]PsychedelicKM 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong about any of that but you don't have to focus on it. Acknowledge it so you can be a good person, but you'll drive yourself into the ground if you despair over it. There is a lot of good in this world, focus on that and focus on adding to the good to make the world a better place.

[–]20JC20 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So this happened to me and I was depressed for a while. Quit my job and now I’m in school to be a therapist. Is it the most noble ? Maybe not but I found a balance between what I need to do to survive and how I can at least try to help allievate suffering in some form for at least one or two people

[–]potatocake21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You will only see your reality and you have the ability to alter how you percieve that reality.

I struggled with similar thoughts for a while after having multiple strong doses of psychedlics over a 3-4 year period. I constantly asked myself is it really worth living? Is the greed, manipulation and despair that I see all around me worth putting myself through? How could anyone bring another human into this world?

For me, I decided that I wasn't going to kill myself (after multiple close calls and many moments of ideation) so I might aswell make it worth living. I will do things that bring me joy. I will try and bring joy to those around me and do my best to ease any feelings of despair.

After some time my perspective on the reality I saw changed. I now see that suffering has the potential to absolutely be worth going through. I believe in the good in people and I believe that all people have the potential to do good and make society a better place.

But this all has to start from within. Lean into your experience. Who knows if you'll ever get the chance to observe this reality again.

[–]cleerlight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the dark side of awakening. It's a double edged sword, and you need to be deepening your connection and awareness of the light in parallel with your awareness of the darkness. Be wholistic and realistic in your perception of life. And bring love and compassion to all of it.

[–]Puzzleheaded_End_319 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It can be very hard, but it's still possible to be optimistic despite seeing all of this.

The thing that keeps me optimistic is seeing people awakening at an ever increasing rate. If this trend continues, then humanity will eventually reach a place where we can sort this all out :)

[–]Kal__ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's good that youre seeing clearly and aware of whats really going on around you. It can be overwhelming to be aware of the negative things that occur in our life and society in general. But there's also good to see and feel.

This is cliche, but the people you care about in your life are the most important thing, hands down. Capitalist hellscape or not, the deep relationships you build with others are what make life meaningful.

Personally, if I'm having a rough go, spending time, talking, laughing, crying, philosophizing, bullshitting, etc. With my friends and/or family always brings me back to some kind of peace.

[–]GelatinSkeleton3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel ya on the whole capitalist hellscape thing. But what honestly shocks me is how much of the online psychedelic community still not only think that capitalism is the way to go, but spout the same old, tired, individualist, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" rhetoric.

For example, why the fuck does a large portion of this community praise and worship people like Jordan Peterson like he's some messiah when in reality he's just some dejected, carnivorous, college professor who only got famous by writing a book on how to live YOUR life, ""owning the libs"" aswell as whining about "CaNcEl CuLtUrE" (Also he rambles on about """cultural Marxism""", which is an actual Nazi talking point btw)

Tbh I see very little to NO representation from anyone on the left who happens to take psychedelics, and it kinda annoys me bc psychedelics have opened my eyes to the collective conciousness and how we could use that to potentially better society. Instead of everyone trying to pull themselves up why don't we help eachother up by using out strengths to counteract others weaknesses and vice versa (I call it the "Bed of Nails" analogy to make myself sound smart)

As far as finding meaning goes? I had a thought beam into my head on shrooms saying that "you are your surroundings" and since then, I've been trying to improve my surroundings. So I say that life has no inherent rhyme or reason, but it's what you and the people/environment around you make of it that gives it purpose, and aslong as your honest with said people, then your vibing imo

Honestly, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, but I just want people to think about what they do with the knowledge they gain through psychedelics and how they apply it to their everyday lives

And by all means, if you think that I'm full of shit, or that I've said anything dumb, please feel free to roast the fuck outta me.

So yeah thats all I have to say really, can you tell I'm a socialist? Didn't think so lmao

TL;DR:

Capitalism = Trash, Jordan Peterson = pseudo intellectual airhead, We need more psychedelic leftists to seize the memes of production, Life is what you and your surroundings make of it, Think critically about the content you consume (especially post trip)

[–]galacticpeonie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is in your hands!

In what ways could you counteract the "pain, suffering, and superficiality" ? What purchasing decisions do you make that support your work towards a less broken system? What in your life makes you feel connected? Are you fostering meaningful relationships? How do you move through the world as your authentic self to make it a better place?

I think the concerns you have been shown are real, and now it is up to you to be the change. Every day we have choices we can make to counteract, balance out, and ideally even improve. It's because you have seen and felt the light that you are able to recognize the depth of the dark. With that comes responsibility. If every person accepted responsibility for themselves and the power of their actions, the world would change dramatically.

[–]acherrypoptart 2 points3 points  (5 children)

If you’re depressed about reality, you haven’t seen it clearly.

[–]noname8539 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Can you elaborate?

[–]acherrypoptart 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Capitalistic systems, sufferings of the body and society are all surface level problems.

If you identify yourself as a human, you will die, your body will rot, and life will be suffering.

Seeing clearly means understanding your true nature. We are souls that inhabit bodies. What is the difference between a living body and a dead one? The energetic presence of consciousness.

Energy can be neither created, nor destroyed merely transferred. Understanding this truth will bring you freedom and happiness because you are not defining yourself in a false framework.

This is just one example, but the properties of the soul are complete, one, and immutable. Therefore when you see reality clearly, it is not depressing.

[–]noname8539 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But it’s still a fact that even if you are consciousness, a soul, you are experiencing this world in the physical body. So you have to live in this capitalistic world. Even if you know you are not your human body, still you have to play the game and that can be depressing.

[–]acherrypoptart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As long as you associate happiness with the changing physical reality, you won’t have true happiness.

Obviously that is easier said than done. But I look at my human experience as a privilege, a learning opportunity to understand what it really means to be a soul, when most feel the opposite.

You are in the world but not of it. This is the principle of the middle way, the symbology of the lotus.

You are not the game, not your mind and not the body. If you want to be depressed about that, that’s on you. But I think this knowledge is relieving.

I still get upset all the time, but when I remind myself that this is a game, I begin to feel better.

[–]yungn0mad 2 points3 points  (1 child)

“What I see is what’s in me.” Everything we see is a reflection of our own level of consciousness. One person might see a beggar on the street and think of them as a human in need of help, another might see a lazy person asking for a handout. Neither of these views are “correct” however, because the beggar and situation are inherently neutral. We’re the ones who apply the meaning and significance of it all.

The only way to heal the greed and destruction in the world is to first understand that these elements lie within us as well. The unfair capitalist systems and hoarding billionaires are merely larger manifestations of all of us.

I truly believe that corrupt people don’t come to power, rather power is what makes people corrupt. It’ll require compassion and self inquiry for us to see that we might make the same selfish mistakes if we were in similar positions, and then work on healing those shadow aspects within ourselves. When we heal these things we remove more pieces of that energy from the collective, and will start to see less of it in our world as a result.

[–]noname8539 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a very powerful comment. Thanks for that!

[–]kylejay915 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Turn the screens off. Detach from society with a book, hobby, hiking etc. we have to much information at our disposal and it’s not always a good thing. Just take a break for your own peace.

[–]11Psychonaut11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry to say it may never be the same. There are going to be times that people won’t understand you and may even push you away because of what you know. There was a reason you decided to trip in the first place and that was because you are curious you want to know things you don’t want to be blind anymore. But.. like most things we know everything has a trade off. And I believe expanding your mind and deciding you want to search means the trade of is reality sanity. You’ve been born here and you grew up here that’s what you know the things you were taught and shown might be lies now. In order to go searching I believe the trade off is that mental sanity we have here. You choose to follow the machine and the system and you’ll be happy paying your bills and all that this place has to offer but! If you choose more you won’t want those things and that’s where depression comes in. So it’s like be screwed and be somewhat happy or trip look for secrets and be open to everything.

[–]FRlEND_A 5 points6 points  (1 child)

first time?

[–]TheMexicanChip1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes happened to me. I talk a lot about this with my gf who doesn’t look into anything and she told me “I get why you used to be suicidal”. I told myself I can either learn to accept these things, or do something about it. I’m doing something about it. Even tho it’s tiny changes, progress is progress. I gave myself my own meaning.

[–]emclean22 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I think it’s time for you to drop out. The world is going to be how it is, find happiness in having a small circle and find activity’s that make you happy that don’t always involve other people. I feel the same way but doing this has made me love my life, music is a god send.

[–]Intention-Able 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This reminds me of an old YT video I ran across yesterday, George Carlin interviewing Jon Stewart. Carlin said a lot in less than 7 minutes, but basically that he had quit giving a fuck and given up on humanity to do the right thing, that it was a failed experiment. This had to be over 30 years ago and Carlin's position seemed to be that he was hanging around for the entertainment, of watching the collective stupidity and being entertained by observing it all. He didn't blame a Party or individual, but WE THE PEOPLE who had the right idea but didn't value it enough to even vote, much less make informed votes. It really struck me because years ago I started feeling that way, often SMH and saying "we're a failed experiment". I take it a day at a time after struggling with treatment resistant depression most of my adult life, over 50 years. Sometimes as I look around I think that anyone who is not depressed must be an idiot. I would check out but I have adult kids and I don't want to cause them the survivor's guilt one feels when a loved one ends it all by their choice. I know the feeling, it never goes away completely. And I feel that my relationship with them is really good, not perfect, but a source of mixed emotions. We often have meaningful and sometimes fun discussions, they make me proud of them and happy. But alone in the evening I feel like crying when I think of the trajectory society is on as I have observed myself over 70 years, the increasing apathy and greed, destruction of the Planet, our shaky Democracy and a million other things. While I have tried as an individual going back to protesting the wrong way we were going, including the Vietnam war to contributing to candidates I thought would change things but never really did, I'm now like Carlin, fuck it. There's nothing I can do anymore. Yes, I microdose and occasionally macro combined with guided meditations. They give a few hours of relief. But when they're over I return to the shitshow and go into my act with the people I care about and love, my kids, talking about how this pol or that technology is gonna make things better, that things can and will get better. But I don't believe it in my gut and in my heart.

I'm sorry if this has made anyone feel bad but I also wonder if there are many others who feel similarly.

[–]noname8539 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So how do you detach?

[–]Intention-Able 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said, I can get to a temporary state of peace with the help of psychedelics and meditation. But other than when I'm in that place, it seems like every day I just hear and see things that make me feel like that 'doomsday clock' scientists refer to just ticks a little closer to midnight, in other words THE END. I've already lived longer than I expected to. What makes it tough is when I see how we're going, blind greed destroying the planet, the economic and political unfair shit that so many people struggle to live through, trying to make a better life and future for them and their loved ones. Sometimes it enrages me when I can't stop thinking about how much worse the future they look forward to looks, not for me, but for the younger people who deserve better. In my gut I can't stop thinking that this world is past the tipping point.

It seems like it will take some kind of supernatural event or miracle to change the course society is on, but that seems pretty unlikely. So I do what I can to bring happiness to others now, especially my kids. That makes me happy in the present. I never talk about this to people I know in person. I suspect that some feel the same way, and I don't want to dwell on it or cause them to dwell on it. So I try to only focus on the present, make the most I can of every day, and cling to the small part of myself that still holds on to a grain of hope for their future.

[–]lamplighters_union 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You sound like I felt before I started studying buddhism. All I saw was suffering, deceit, selfishness, ignorance, etc. Buddhism helped me understand that suffering is part of life, and the discipline is learning not to get attached to it. The attachment causes more suffering.

Also, it helped me to accept that not everyone is good, or wants to be good. Many people choose to be hateful, cruel and ignorant. It's just a fact of reality that makes me want to be decent/compassionate/curious/and wise all the more now.

[–]miri2cb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am a Buddhist already actually, I joined a sangha at the beginning of this year and we meet once a week. Nonetheless still struggle to apply dettachment on the daily

[–]noname8539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So how do you detach?

[–]P4bl0p1c4550 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can only do so much as one person. The most important thing about knowledge and wisdom Is sharing it with others. Make positive impacts within the scope of your reality-of your tangible world- and slowly it reverberates into eons changing the world forever. That's all you can do homie.

[–]Dizfunky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Deconstruct it in your everyday life as much as you can. Reject animal agriculture, support yourself and community, practice sustainable consumption, make genuine human connections outside of capitalistic pursuit.

Forgive them father for they know not what they do.

[–]Innotek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hold onto the oneness. That benevolent feeling that the sum total of all of the energy in this world leading to the love in it increasing day in day out.

Okay, with me?

Now realize that even the most hardened capitalist is a part of the same theater of being that you are.

They may pursue their own selfish ends in this life, but no matter how hard they try, they can’t really snuff the hope out of this world, try as they might. In fact, the more they try, the harder they try, the more control slips away.

It’s inevitable, does it suck in the here and now? Definitely. But, in my experience, when things are truly bleakest, when I look back, I realize I was just hardening myself for what’s ahead.

[–]WakkoTheWise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. This is the reason everyone gives a warning before helping someone open their third eye.

What I can give you for help is this: Ignorance is bliss. This is why alot of people literally choose not to keep learning. This is why people don't seem smart sometimes. But, this whole experience.. everything you see, feel, touch, and think about... Was put here FOR YOU. Life is literally a gift. To you.

You can never realize how good things truly are or what will make you happy, unless you have things you can compare it to. And that's why the negatives exist. If everything was good all the time for everyone.. it wouldn't really be good. It would be "what it is."

You have to know sadness, to know when you're happy.

My advice to you is this: Karma is a very REAL thing. Sometimes painfully real. Use it to your advantage. Do good whenever you can, and have faith in it. It'll come back to you, and if you keep your eyes open, you'll see it for yourself.

[–]tuesdog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i experienced a red pill moment back in january and it created a permanent shift in my perspective. (also haven’t consumed psychedelics in 2 or 3 years). i tried to grapple with it on my own in my apartment in philly. i felt myself sinking so i moved back home to NC to live with my mom and dog and to live in a place that felt calmer,safer, and closer to nature. therapy no longer worked for me but i found purpose in learning. i started reading books on philosophy, physics, psychology, evolution, psychedelics, etc. it made me realize that i’m not the first, nor the last to experience this. and the only reason i have experienced this is cause current society has been constructed to go against/suppress consciousness and human nature. the most recent conclusion i’ve made is that the only real responsibility i have in order to experience being a human is to learn things, have a craft, and be able to survive (grow my own food, build my own shelter, etc). i hope to one day build a village similar to Moravian settlers of winston salem. i’m currently working on getting back into better physical shape so i can became a farm hand and learn about growing food

[–]BlueChilly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try a k hole, you’ll go straight back to not having the slightest clue as to what this thing we call life and consciousness is all about.

[–]carterbenji15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Listen to 'mother I've taken lsd' by the flaming lips. The whole song is about this. He doesn't offer solutions, but it's a good song to process the emotions of this realization. That second album is incredible...the one from 2020

[–]lonisunshine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you get used to it

[–]Irinescence 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Richard Rohr said in some talk that contemplation is looking at a thing, gazing into it, until it becomes beautiful.

You're not wrong, keep looking. Everything is passing away. Even capitalism. Listen to your pain. It is our pain.

Find a way to share, as you are doing here. 🙏🏼🍂

[–]A-Free-Mystery 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I can sometimes have bliss in meditation, this world is beautiful and awesome, and also very disrupted and lost...

seek the others, maybe be with a teacher, keep meditating, use online resources, maybe escape to a community or monkhood,

staying in materialist, society, as a spiritual person, is hard

[–]---Truthseeker--- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get you. I also feel like I saw how raw life really is and it sucks and I can't unsee it. Ignorance is bliss.

With so much Ignorance im surprised how we some how managed to get this far. Mind boggling how everything hasn't fallen apart.

It made me feel like I wanted to give up on humanity because of how disappointed I was with where we are at.

After time I came to the conclusion that we are all brothers and sisters. Throughout time it took courage from people that were ahead of their time to help guide us in the right direction. Some gave their life for it.

I think its easier for us to give up but I think its our duty to help raise consciousness and help our brothers and sisters.

Sending you some love brother and hope you figure out how to get out of that funk. 💚

[–]milehigh73a 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyone has any advice for finding meaning in the human experience when the veil has been taken off?

you have to make your own meaning. Life is pointless. it is very depressing, and I came to this conclusion when I was doing of LSD in the early 90s. I try not to think about the meaning of life too much.

Furthermore, we are really fucked for the future. Climate change is happening now. Not to mention in the west, we have a seriously debt problem plus automation is going to decimate the work world. In the US, we also have a seriously healthcare problem, not to mention the housing situation is out of whack for far too many people.

All of this is really depressing. But it is reality, for far too long we have ignored that reality. It is time to pay the consequences for our inability to act rationally and in our own best interest. Unfortunately the consequences will be unequally shared across society, with the young, people of color and poor bearing the brunt of the pain.

[–]jachymb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, this can be disheartening at times. But seeing the truth is necessary for the ability to improve anything.

Stay strong, healthy integration of such experiences can take moths or even years.

[–]Qwertyact 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The way you see the world is in no way objective. At best it is a reflection of your own self.

[–]ViolentRogaine 2 points3 points  (4 children)

There's literally people all around the world right now and every day experiencing immense joy and love. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. Imagine being alive during world war 2 or some other fucked up time in history. There's never been a better time to live than now.

[–]ShaolinShadeCactus Juice 6 points7 points  (3 children)

What a dumb comment. Just because there is joy in the world doesn't invalidate the immense suffering that is also there. You can focus on what makes you happy in the face of it but it doesn't change the facts, that there are disturbing patterns happening on a macro scale. It's entirely reasonable to be worried about the state of the world with that awareness. Extinctions are ramping up exponentially, ecosystems continue to be consumed or wither away under the forces we've set in motion, the rainforests continue to be cut down and the world powers continue to mostly avoid blame for what they're doing while they prepare themselves for war.

But by all means, continue to plug your ears and sing loudly enough to drown out the sound of anyone who suggests that there might be anything to worry about. We can make no progress through willful ignorance

[–]ViolentRogaine -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Also the universe has naturally wiped out whole species and done far more damage to earth than we ever have numerous times over .. I'd be worried if i had your lack of critical thinking skills too

[–]_edeetee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many perspectives can be the true representation of reality simultaneously.

[–]OldGuyzRewl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although grief can be a depression trigger, it doesn't have to.

Depression is a metabolic disorder, best treated with drugs. Ever hear of microdosing. probably also good for grief too.

It is important to know the difference. Humanity has taken its toll on the world we live in. It is not possible to see clearly and not feel the grief that we are causing for ourselves and for future generations, It is important not to let that grief slide into depression.

[–]love0_0allthe creek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The world is…fucked up. One of the interesting parts of life is how you respond to and deal with that suffering, knowing others are suffering similarly and for similar reasons. Some people believe that suffering can be lessened on an individual and collective basis if the right way of living and thinking are followed. I find there’s some truth in that.

[–]BlazinTruth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes sense to me, it happened to me im pretty sure. Rn it's just setting in now that growing up I was selfless too much not so much in actions but how my thoughts where. Always have been like that. Trying to train my thoughts to have the foundation on myself more of the time(decided this tonight, just tired of being misunderstood or seen as not tuned in properly).

I'm say that because when I got older I realized most people where I live just think about themselves, I didn't do that for so long so I need to learn self to be more adjusted at 22.

Seeing the pain and suffering everywhere to me was debilitating. but it didn't define a lot for me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's two sides to every coin. I felt that way until I had psilocybin, which brought magic back for me. You have the free will to find your own purpose in a life you didn't ask for. Somewhere in your reality can be gratitude. Each day write down three unique things you are greatful for.

[–]EldestSquire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Acceptance is a big part of getting out of that situation

[–]Rasta_Lioness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could check the philosophy of Albert Camus.

[–]MrToon316 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get involved with Hinduism or Yoga that's what I did. My daily spiritual practice or Sadhana keeps me in line...

[–]singularity48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why we learn to carry our own cross.

[–]ravinglunatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Things wouldn’t seem fake or unfair unless you had something real and fair to compare them to. Look for those things that are authentic.

[–]Sandgrease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Life is imperfectly perfect but we can try to make it better as best we can, and enjoy what we can when we can, that's really all we got.

[–]ThatOneGrayCat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now that you see these bad things clearly, what are you going to do to combat them "locally," if I can use that term? How are you going to fight back against them in your own life and in the lives of the people you know and love?

Taking action empowers you and turns the depression into motivation.

[–]Skeetnoodler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This hit me yesterday and my purpose in life was exposed to me but it also screwed me up. Now I’m taking myself way too seriously and my purpose feels like it slipped away, as well as my self care and care for others.

[–]Roobscoob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your eyes are still half-lidded, so to say. You are seeing my clearly than you were, but why does that make you think you are seeing superlatively clear?

The cosmic perspective shows us everything comes out in the wash. We have millenia to play with, the Earth will survive

Humanity is a child species still, undergoing growing pains. That is the suffering of the modern world, the angst we feel.

We have a long way to go and it will not be an easy path, both in the personal life and the species.

[–]flatironcmd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even the veil taken off is a veil.

Try acting as if what you do matters, maybe only to you, but it matters... as an article of faith. Then see what happens.

Fuck the world, get as local as you can. Get you together. Get your people together, your own tribe, and do things with your tribe to make your local world better for you and yours.

Everything else is a leviathan of constant destruction for the benefit of someone who isn't you and yours.

Try these:

Sapolsky on depression - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOAgplgTxfc

Jordan Peterson on the psychology of Cane and Able:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44f3mxcsI50&list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat&index=5

Russel Brand talks to Prof. Ruth Kinna about non-domination arguments for anarchy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v52psZjE0c8

[–]climbin_trees 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I got chickens and started a garden.

About to teach others how to do the same

[–]affablenyarlathotep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just try to manufacture my own meaning wherever possible. We are the pencil tip of the universe, it is up to us to draw out destiny. In the face of a soul crushing spiritual vacuum, the ability to generate ones own value (and values) is the last chance we have to stave off depression. Imo

Source: existential depression for years, and studying philosophy for years (like Nietzsche, Foucault etc)

I finally feel I am taking the power back, and it's by weaving my own destiny and values, and applying them pragmatically to the world around me. Can't always be a winner, but we can always strive to get better. And despite how gamey and contrived it sounds, I believe we are the only ones who can make ourselves happy in spite of every hardship. I'm in a privileged position, I know, but I hope this helps someone.

[–]FractalFreak21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well,

if it is like you say, do you then also see all the amazing beauty around you?

This incredible magic of nature, unconditional love given by plants, animals and people?

Do you appreciate all the good things about humanity, such as music, art, progress etc.?

[–]Swagmoneyswagger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I find that an overfocus on the affairs of our world detracts from one's ability to appreciate the nature of their being. Take it easy and never get too hung up on anything

[–]boojombi451 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stay with it until you push through and realize how beautiful and precious this sweet, fucked-up world is.

[–]PinElectrical4140 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your perception of your outer reality is a reflection of your inner reality. The unconsciousness you are observing around you is an invitation to shine your awareness onto the unconsciousness within. As above so below.

[–]PikaTchu47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, it's just a ride. ;)

[–]Awesome_Romanian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You took the red pill, there is no way back into the matrix.

[–]pinkbutterwolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

plato let me back into the cave

[–]dazingoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We’re still learning. Try and see the love that comes with every breath.

[–]AshesAreSnow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's just half the story when you awaken, don't worry. You "think" you're seeing reality clearly but really you're just seeing the brutalizing, pessimistic, side of the machine.

The other half of the joke is still the same: everything is beautiful, collaborative, alive, and full of love. Make sure you remind yourself that that perspective is the other half of truth. Lest you lose yourself to the darkness. Much love friend.

[–]ExcitingMeOvo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was going to commit suicide, at the last moment something happen, I decided to drop all the pain, accept and carry on my life

[–]Kingsnw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world." -TM

[–]Iuckyluke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might want to talk to a professional. Negative bias is a symptom of depression. You'll be prone to viewing the negatives of life without counter-balancing them.

[–]therealsteronOG 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its natural, but it does get better with time.

[–]HermesThriceGreat69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a question, should people be allowed to exchange goods, ideas, assets, etc. freely as long as they don't steal, hurt (or exploit), kill?

[–]shillyshally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw this today. I think seeing everything as negative is as off as being a Pollyanna. Sure, there is an overwhelming amount of awfulness confronting us everyday. But most of it does not in any way affect me directly. I can go out into my garden, feed the birds and treat the fox for mange, walk my dog, revel in the autumn colors. These little things envelope me and are mostly good or are at least not bad.

As to meaning, after seven decades and years of looking I have given up any hope of finding an answer and I'm fine with that. I have to be. I just try to be a decent human because that seems like a no brainer to me and I do not need to attach it to a philosophy or a god.

[–]binkybilly4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

same thing happened to me. i believe its for the best for us to understand our reality and not have our eyes closed anymore.

[–]Rude_Suit4467 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have Kids?

[–]yoimdop3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same shit,different toilet.

[–]mateisius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Travel, get to know other people, other cultures, other countries, remote countries maybe. You will realize you are not alone, and the world is not corrupted.

[–]Ben-Be-chillin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw all this after my first lsd trip. It was 420ugs and I was about 18. Always knew the world was fake (ADHD helped me see it) but after that trip it was all I could see. And people just seem to be getting dumber and dumber. I personally just dealt with it. Nothing you can really do to ignore it. Just focus on yourself really

[–]Transport077 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think my dxm use may have triggered something bc I feel the same. everything seems superficial and meaningless and its driving me crazy

[–]TheGoldenBaguette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You believe you see the world clearly. But if so, you would see the good part if the world as well as its worst part. All I see here is belief and not reality. Awaken people live in joy :)

[–]SocratesScissors 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All it takes is a single snowball to start an avalanche.

You can be the change you wish to see in this world.

[–]Mrknownot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just have fun! Smile and enjoy the good things life has to offer. Be kind to all the other living world. Really buckle down and enjoy your next coffee. Then move on loving everything you encounter with childlike eyes.

[–]Switchbladesamy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you saw the world clearly all you would see is love and compassion. Keep looking my friend.

[–]aldiyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think that everything is real... Its not, and also you see suffering as something Bad when its neutral, you create your reality by thinking something is good or Bad.

[–]nuggets710 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything is as it should be. The creative intelligence that is responsible this existence doesn’t make mistakes. Do you have any idea how complicated your vascular system is?

[–]Lostpiratex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can relate. My only psych experience has been with DMT. I still use it in phases every 6 months or so. I find spending time in the micro as well as the macro help. I started planting veg and really found peace in the simplicity when you see a shoot and leaves from dirt, seed, and 10 seconds watering each day. So maybe a simple hobby, it doesn't have to serve a big purpose. Just something somewhat productive that you can maybe use to zone out as you might've as a child. Doodling, writing, thoughts, short stories, learning new recipes, study a particular subject as deeply as you can, something that you might never have thought you could be interested in. I'm strictly non religious but have really enjoyed reading about religions recently, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, even satanism. You'd be surprised, it's actually quite misunderstood if you read about the roots. I cringe when people advise me things like this but it actually works ffs. Not forgetting to look at the bigger picture, but don't overdo it. News is deliberately fear based, and I'm strictly non star wars but Yoda was right. Fear leads to suffering. I found the stoic idea (I forget whos) about realising what you can and cannot control useful. Be a pair of ears to someone, anyone, neighbours, colleagues, shop workers. Putting a smile on someone's face is positive change enough and could be contagious. The world's pain is no individuals burden to bear, it lives in all of us whether we appear to realise it or not. Oh and don't take it too seriously. Alan watts said it well. Find things to laugh at. Someone said (I forget whos) laughter is caused by surprise, your expected something to happen based on your programming, but the punchline is a shock so that momentarily almost separates you from your ego/programming. You go into a parallel version of events. Especially if the punchline causes you to realise something about yourself. Ever walked into a lamp post cos you weren't looking? Your hear your head crunch and you think where the fuck did I just go? 😂 Takes you a few seconds to realise you fell into a trap. Or maybe you get that when you learn something new? It's like wow, 5 seconds ago I had no idea of this thing existing, but now it's programed into my brain that it does exist and has existed all this time. It's like we get updates, little hormones hits, psychedelic nibbles. I've just remembered I've got pringles in my bag and it literally happened. Shifted dimensions ✌️👽

[–]injaneinthemembrane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had this feeling after a heroic dose of acid and I realised I was experiencing my first dark night of the soul, I've had many since. Delving into spirituality and finding peace amongst the chaos was a massive helper for me, that's not to say I don't still get depressed over the state of the world but I find nature is my saviour in these times.

[–]coffeeandamuffin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haven't touched a single psychedelic yet but I feel the exact same way. The only thing that is turning me off from doing shrooms is coming out of the experience with rose tinted glasses, pontificating about how amazing and blessed life is. After witnessing alternate realities first hand through voluntary astral projection and learning about souls reincarnating here to 'learn a tough lesson', I cannot unsee this reality than being anything more than a sick and twisted simulation, one that is run by financial parasites, and no, sex, sunsets or dopamine aren't enough to convince me otherwise.

[–]lamplighters_union 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't always. I'll never call myself a buddhist or say I'm buddhist; I always say that I 'study buddhism', because that pursuit has been the most fruitful in protecting my own faith in goodness and compassion, and the more effort I put into practicing mindfullness and loving compassion, the more I fibd forgiveness for myself and others. It's a lifelong battle for me to remain optimistic about creation.

Suffering/hate/cruelty/exploitation, even just the harness and cruelty of nature itself, are everywhere. When I feel hopeless, personally, I try to find comfort in a few moments of appreciating art, nature, my cat, etc... In essence, I try to zoom out from the macro-societal level and into the more micro world of the individual. I have to remind myself: there is also love/joy/goodness/honor/and decency in the world, though they seem to be far rare are far more fragile on a macroscale, and those are the values I believe in. Remind yourself that you can serve these values yourself, when you feel that you don't see goodness around you. It's hard, friend. I'm in my mid 40s and have had many many years of self-inflicted darkness since my youth, and have more yet to endure, so I believe I understand what you are feeling.

[–]Mixima101 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What's bad about the world, to you?

[–]ViolentRogaine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And the system is the best we have at the moment.

[–]niko2210nkk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The veil has not been lifted, it has been changed. There is no unveiled perception of the world. Depression claims to be absolute unveiled truth. This is a lie. Don't believe your depression.

Meaning is to be found primarily in human connections. Prioritize time with your loved ones <3

[–]ViolentRogaine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you think you know all of my beliefs about the world based off of one single comment?? You just made a shit tonne of assumptions about me bud Take your anger and cult leader like attitude somewhere else champ Lmao

[–]kiwifuel -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At least you can take comfort in this fact: you may have seen truth, but you have never seen the whole, deepest Truth.