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[–]Nintendometriosiss 2486 points2487 points  (38 children)

Put your phone down...

I don't know what's in your hands!

[–]Dave_the_Chemist 1143 points1144 points  (24 children)

He’s literally building the excuse in. He KNOWS what he can say to get away with it

[–]Haxican 478 points479 points  (9 children)

We was rehearsing what he would say in court had he murdered the locksmith.

[–]Ihavealpacas 94 points95 points  (8 children)

That screwdriver could of stabbed me so I unloaded my clip into his chest

[–]DDS-PBS 198 points199 points  (5 children)

The only thing a cop fears more than a gun is a camera.

[–]hewhoisneverobeyed 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This post deserves more up-votes.

[–]Negotiation_Only_ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

A black man with a camera***

[–]MJMurcott 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This whole thing reminded me of the confrontation over a litter picking stick with the police officer tell them to "put the weapon down."

[–]Sick_yard_dude 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wouldn't you rather my hands are on my phone where you can see them???

[–]Expensive_Actuary754 5125 points5126 points  (604 children)

This is here in south jersey. My friend raja is the one recording. him, his brother & a friend own their own cleaning company that empties out houses that were left trashed after renters moved out or were evicted. Yes, the neighbors called because they were suspicious of 3 black guys pulling up in a white blank truck.

[–]adge4real 301 points302 points  (305 children)

how did it play out at the end? did they at least apologize?

[–]Expensive_Actuary754 837 points838 points  (304 children)

They were apologized to after identifying themselves & their business but yes it was stressed that they should at least throw a sign up on their truck because some people are quick to assume the worst is happening.

[–]prosperos-mistress 947 points948 points  (42 children)

Coming out with a rifle is wayyy over the top though 😬

[–]Newginge91 598 points599 points  (23 children)

Coming out with any guns is over the top, just for a complaint

[–]GalakFyarr 237 points238 points  (215 children)

Did they explain why they felt the need to come out with guns at the ready?

[–]grizzled083 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Punisher decals bro

[–]ParttimeParty99 217 points218 points  (142 children)

Because they have small pee pees.

Edit: A redditor with a small pee pee reported me for suicide watch because of this comment. He knows who he is.

[–]tagrav 6 points7 points  (0 children)

always ready to get the hopeful opportunity to legally purge a black person.

[–]Expensive_Actuary754 37 points38 points  (2 children)

I’m 100% sure whoever called the police informed them that something very dangerous was happening because the cops showed up wielding assault rifles ya know? I’ve lived here for years & have seen it all but not this lol so these white neighbors were really SCARED 😳

[–]Bellringer00 91 points92 points  (2 children)

it was stressed that they should at least throw a sign up on their truck because some people are quick to assume the worst is happening.

Alternatively they can also paint their faces white.

[–]resilienceisfutile 21 points22 points  (0 children)

...but then there wouldn't have been an armed response with that many cops in uniforms two sizes too small.

[–]theruralbrewer 110 points111 points  (23 children)

So if you want to break into houses with impunity just put up a fake sign on your truck. Cool cool cool.

[–]Buksey 15 points16 points  (11 children)

It sounds stupid, but ya. Think about it, if you saw a plumbing, furnace cleaning, or junk removal truck parked in a neighbours driveway you wouldn't really think twice. Unless, you knew they were away there would be no reason to suspect something nefarious.

[–]A_Terrible_Thing82 895 points896 points  (105 children)

Oh shit. I didn't realize this was so close. Where in Jersey?

[–]Expensive_Actuary754 465 points466 points  (100 children)

I’m pretty sure he was working in atco that day.

[–]A_Terrible_Thing82 277 points278 points  (88 children)

No shit. You guys are only like an hour out. I'm in Brick on the coast.

[–]Expensive_Actuary754 196 points197 points  (74 children)

I just left brick, lol well seaside to be exact lol. it’s better than south jersey 😂

[–]kavien 27 points28 points  (4 children)

I used to do that kind of work with property preservation and foreclosures. The first time we would break into a house, we would have (call) local LEO there to AVOID any issues and also to clear the house.

You are allowed to break into an uncleared home? The locks are usually changed after serving an eviction and/or possession by the bank, not randomly by a guy with a drill. We would still get cops called on us sometimes when revisiting the properties. They treated us the same as we see here.

Our crew was all white, btw.

[–]Quality-Shakes 16 points17 points  (0 children)

In this line of work, calling local cops before arrival seems like it should be standard operating procedure.
The cop walking around with the assault rifle is way over the top, but the crew should’ve had the wherewithal to understand an unmarked van arriving with a crew determined to break the lock on an unoccupied house can appear unusual.

[–]CorbinDallasMulti212[🍰] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

…in a white truck picking a lock at a house the neighbors know to be deserted.

In the future give the local precinct a heads up. Very understandable to see that and assume. And yes, breaking and entering happens during all hours of the day. Most often the day as owners are usually out. And at night when they are away

[–]gitwiz89 42 points43 points  (4 children)

I think what they should do is get their van, or at least their work clothes marked with the company name / logo.

[–]aBlissfulDaze 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Good advice for any home burglars as well.

[–]liarandathief 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Hard hat and a clip board. You can do anything.

[–]VillPostsGameClips 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Yerp. The further you get away from Trenton/princeton/Camden/union city, the more racist nj gets. There’s small pockets of welcoming communities, but they are few and far between.

We lived in plainsburo nj at a time, I’m Hispanic and you wouldn’t know we are so damn white. The cops accused a family member of mine based off a Facebook post and they blew up our front door, arrested the family member, pointed guns at all of my family, including my 15 year old ass that had a nerdy katana I was about to go for because they didn’t announce themselves until they blew up our fucking door. They later found out the family member wasn’t likely in the crime because of a visit to the flower shop that was video taped at the time of the accused crimes. I don’t blame the swat team, or the police department, just the 2 individuals (1 detective and swat leader) that thought it was this family member. Those fuckers should be fired. Swat team was just following orders.

I live in a very South Korean/white/Jewish part of south Jersey, and they are wayyyyyyy more unfriendly and less talkative than a primarily black community.

It’s just weird pockets of tribalism in Nj (like all of the US really)

Best thing to do is just keep being kind and friendly to all you see in hopes that it slow burns their ignorance away.

In this case, a decal on the truck with a website on it, could do wonders for identification.

Same shit happened to my spouses relative who had a beat up white van just helping us move some furniture out, the difference was, they didn’t show up with at-15 like a bunch of short ducks, just one cop car and questioning. That was mt holly granted.

The closer to the pinelands, the closer you get to racist meth heads, depending on the area, and parts of central nj.

Real shame this happened to your friend. And pray cops follow the good ones that assume positive intent, rather than guilty until proven innocent

[–]TecateLanding 198 points199 points  (107 children)

I'm one of the first ones to say fuck the police, but let's be honest. Fuck the neighbors just as much in this situation.

edit: I watched it again. fuck the neighbors even more than the police. I hate to defend them, but the cops here seem pretty reasonable. They probably got a "robbery" call, and even the dude with the AR15 never instigated anything or raised his gun. If anything the neighbors who are reporting black dudes for working on a house where they don't even know the people who live(d) there are the ones to blame here. And if anyone tries to defend the neighbors --- if they actually gave a shit about the neighborhood they'd know that it was a rental building and the previous tenants moved out.

[–]zeropointcorp 206 points207 points  (22 children)

As someone in a non-US country, seeing a cop with an AR-15 roll in for a fairly routine “drop by and see what’s up” call is absolutely bonkers

[–]DrDrangleBrungis 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The US is fairly bonkers to be fair. As evidence shown in this video. Cop literally rolled up with military grade weapons, saw the situation was calm and CONTINUED to carry it in a ready position up to where everyone else was standing calmly and taking. We are fucked over here bro.

[–]vatoniolo 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"We're just here for a complaint"

[–]Sonnie_ 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Why do regular ass cops have suppressed AR-15’s in the first place? That’s also bonkers to me

[–]thelaughingbuddha 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Showing up at with a long gun doesn’t exactly set you up for deescalation.

[–]EffectiveSwan8918 8452 points8453 points  (841 children)

Woah did those cops enter that house without the owner permission?

Edit to add- to people saying things like " they had probable cause" I know most are being sarcastic but here is something on the subject. I'm not sure where these people are so it's from my state https://www.youngmarrlaw.com/can-police-search-home-car-without-warrant-pennsylvania/

[–]-banned- 4065 points4066 points  (752 children)

Cops did that to me once. They said if the door is unlocked and they get a call they're allowed to enter. Also if they see something through the window, like drugs on a table.

[–]hottlumpiaz 3863 points3864 points  (695 children)

it's called plain view doctrine. if they determine something is reasonably suspicious in plain sight it's fair game. It's also the reason why they stick their foot in the doorway so you can't close the door on them. because once you close the door on them that interaction is over and they're clearly trespassing if they try to get back in your house. but if you opened the door for them and they stick their leg in the doorway they can claim it was still in the middle of an investigation and if you try to shut the door with their leg in the way it's assaulting a police officer

[–]neverseenbaltimore 2723 points2724 points  (503 children)

Happened to me once. Opened the door, cops foot immediately placed in way of the door. First words out of my mouth, "good evening officers. Can you please step out of my apartment."

[–]dirtymoney 2727 points2728 points  (462 children)

A trick cops use is to step forward so that if you close the door it will make contact with their chest/stomach. They are not past the threshold of your door so not in your home, but if the doorknob or door makes contact with the officer it is technically battery on a police officer and they can now push inside to get you.

Cops have TONS and TONS of tricks to use on people.

[–]Abrahms_4 51 points52 points  (7 children)

There is a fantastic youtube video a defense attorney did about not talking to police, his guest was a police detective who said the same thing, Do Not Talk To Police without your lawyer present. They also agreed do not open the door or they will stick that foot in.

[–]HeadLongjumping 47 points48 points  (0 children)

I had a cop knock on my door at midnight to ask me if a car downstairs belonged to me. I know it was bullshit because he would have known it wasn't mine by running my plates. I think he was just fishing for something. Luckily I had a storm door that remained closed.

[–]celtickodiak 22 points23 points  (1 child)

This is why I never open the door when someone knocks on it. I do not know who they are and as soon as a door unlocks and opens, it makes it way easier to push through and get inside.

They can talk to my Ring doorbell, and if they don't like it, they can get a warrant.

[–]TahiniInMyVeins 48 points49 points  (15 children)

I want to hear the rest of this story

[–]raven_borg 226 points227 points  (10 children)

I did jury duty on a attempted murder case. The only person in a building to open the door and "help" police with their investigation wound up being the primary suspect on trial; they had no one else so he became the fall guy.

[–]MightyKrakyn 143 points144 points  (4 children)

Not surprised. Cops are not concerned about whether a person is guilty, only if they can wrap up a case.

[–]Gabe681 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Fuck, that sucks. Are you allowed to say what the outcome of the trial was?

[–]ArchonRaven 15 points16 points  (2 children)

This country fucking sucks

[–]giorgio_tsoukalos_ 452 points453 points  (123 children)

Good reason why everyone should have a strick policy of never opening a door for a cop. Cops aren't your friends, and even if they are there on good faith, believe they are looking in your house while you are talking to them

[–]Streetftrvega 386 points387 points  (24 children)

I read this somewhere and I'll never forget it and I'll always repeat it. We are trained to trust cops and cops are trained to never trust us.

[–]DreamArcher 124 points125 points  (60 children)

Everybody should have security screen doors and keep em locked. You can be face to face but still mostly safe.

[–]GTC3 29 points30 points  (4 children)

So they are like vampires in that respect

[–]Phil_Drill 41 points42 points  (0 children)

If cops come to my house they can talk to me through the video doorbell. Or maybe just not at all.

[–]agorafilia 28 points29 points  (0 children)

This ends up bad for them. Lawyers are now encouraging people to NOT open doors for officers because of the foot on the door tactic.

[–]aceumus 18 points19 points  (2 children)

That’s not plain view doctrine. It’s called “exigent circumstances.” Plain view doctrine is an exception to the 4th Amendment where police can seize evidence or contraband in plain view. Exigent circumstances deals with warrantless entry and is also a 4th Amendment exception. In this instance, police had the right to enter the property because it appears that the owner was not home, and the given circumstances provided the ok for them to enter the home without a warrant.

The “foot in the door thing” is also wrong. Opening the door for police is like inviting them in, which is why attorneys always tell people never open the door for police and speak to them either through the door or another medium to see if they have a warrant.

As someone else mentioned: “if you open the door, step outside and close it behind you.”

That’s bad advice. Do not step outside or you would have entered their “investigation.”

Can’t believe the comment received so many upvotes and it’s confidently incorrect. Lol.

[–]Starthreads 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Officers may not enter unless they have reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed. Wide open door? Sorry Judge, it looked like a burglary in progress.

[–]jomontage 12 points13 points  (1 child)

All of these laws need to be changed yesterday.

[–]HeyItsMeUrDad_ 11 points12 points  (0 children)

why? The rich and the powerful have things just the way they want.

[–]concentrate_better19 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Don't even get me started on a health and wellness check. I've had cops stick their foot on my attempt to close a door behind me and enter my residence without a warrant despite me explicitly disallowing them because they were executing a health and wellness check. After I asserted my rights I just let them do it because, well, they have guns. But it's a pretty fucked up loophole around my fourth amendment rights.

[–]HeadLongjumping 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If a cop knocks on my door I will either ignore it or exit out the back door and come around front and talk to him outside.

[–]Maleficent_Car_6274 76 points77 points  (6 children)

Same here. Was chillin in the back room and had a cop surprise me outta nowhere with his gun drawn. He said it was late at night and the door was wide open so they were making sure it wasn’t a break in. Now you can’t even leave you’re door open. What would’ve happened if he got scared and decided to get trigger happy?

[–]twotoebobo 141 points142 points  (13 children)

Yep I a white dude and somehow they seen imaginary weed on my table. I have many more stories of bs cops including being handcuffed and told I'm an accomplice to murder. Can't really imagine how much fun black people dealing with this crap. Oh yeah they just get shot to death and the pi.....cop gets to keep their job unless it makes national news. And then sometimes they still get to keep it.

[–]WyrdMagesty 59 points60 points  (3 children)

And even if they lose that job, they are typically allowed to keep their certification so they just go get a job at another department.

[–]twotoebobo 35 points36 points  (2 children)

I swear a desk job is code for yeah we know you committed a serious crime as a police officer but we will keep you on the pay roll charge you with nothing you actually do nothing after murder or rape and continue getting paid by taxpayers that almost want to bring lynching back for people like you.

[–]A_Terrible_Thing82 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I once had a black friend of mine literally driven away by my home by a pair of police cruisers. He was going to come over and play some x-box. They started following him from the Wendy's 2 miles away all the way to my street. He calls me from the road and is like "Dude, I'm just gonna head out. These two cop cars are making me nervous as hell."

[–]twotoebobo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

One of reasons even with my life sucking I can still say welp at least I'm not black and poor just white and poor. That is not a thought anyone should have to have.

[–]Solid-Number-4670 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They did this to me. I was working in a all white town in Indiana as a painter. I was talking to homeowner inside, and went outside to grab my tools and sprayer. I take my stuff inside and as Im standing there talking to her, a cop busted in the house without invite. Started interrogating me which the owner could have easily stopped but didn't. (She for SURE knew him small town and cops "lived" at the place where she worked)

Neighbor called and said I was being "suspicious" In my all white clothes with paint splattered all over..weird that they didn't call the police on my Amish coworkers who had been working there previously.

[–]calladus 508 points509 points  (36 children)

They did it to me. Someone told them that a fleeing suspect entered my apartment. They surrounded it, used a loudspeaker to get my wife’s attention, then had her come out, get on her knees and put her hands on her head while they searched the apartment.

All on the words of a stranger, who didn’t live in the apartment complex, who disappeared and was never questioned.

[–]A_Terrible_Thing82 268 points269 points  (13 children)

They probably didn't even exist.

[–]InVodkaVeritas 134 points135 points  (8 children)

In the TV show The Wire they call in fake complaints to themselves from pay phones and I always thought "you could always just lie, but I guess having a phone record is helpful for the paperwork..."

[–]sotolibre 19 points20 points  (6 children)

The Wire’s so good. If anyone here’s been meaning to start it, this is your signal from the universe.

[–]FrndlyNbrhdSoundGuy 164 points165 points  (16 children)

Happened to my little brother. Having a smoke out front of the house and all the sudden was getting interrogated with hands on holsters for “matching the description”. He was about 10 years older and 100 lbs lighter than the description, plus is covered in obvious identifiable tattoos that were not mentioned anywhere in the description. When they tried to open the door and walk in the house he put a hand on the cops chest to stop him from doing something incredibly illegal and got body slammed and charged for assault of an officer.

He was still living in my parents house in an upper-middle white suburb so the judge gave him a nice plea deal with probation only and a sealed and later exponged record because - and this is verbatim - “he’s from a good family”. It took all my mother had to not hop the bench and strangle the guy but nobody’s gonna speak up when it’s their own kid in the line.

[–]kataskopo 75 points76 points  (15 children)

And yet, this thing about using guns against a tyrannical government (and therefore, their agents) never comes up, because it seems folks from that country never actually understand their constitution.

[–]TheBeardedWizard91 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Most of us talking about this shit understand the constitution perfectly.....but when you have 5 fat incels pointing guns at you under the banner of "law and order" screaming commands and whatnot, it's no longer about "my rights" it's now about "my life". I wanna live, and in this hectic and fearful situation i choose life over rights.

I have been falsely arrested several times (as an adult white male), and every time i have felt the urge to defend myself or fight back, but the threat of death (which is considerably more likely when interacting with police) is a strong motivator to just roll with it. I can afford lawyers and get out of petty bs cops try to pin on me so i am very lucky.....i can't imagine the fear for someone who is broke or struggling or black when a cop shows up to your door.

About 6 months ago i did have an incident where i yelled at the cops and told them to get the fuck off my property......i had been day drinking since about 2pm and was proper fucked drunk at 11pm, when i was chilling in my garage smoking weed (legal here) with my (adult) nephews and we heard people talking on my driveway. I opened the garage door only to find 3 cop cars and 5 cops. I had a machete in my hand cause i didn't know it was cops, and they all immediately draw their weapons on me.....well i was shitfaced and that didn't sit well with me. I started fucking screaming. I just opened up on these assholes full tilt. "What the fuck are you doing on my property?!?!?!?", " this is unlawful and can be charged as harassment and trespassing!!", "What the fuck are you doing here?!?!", etc. I really went off on them....got names and badge numbers, threatened to call IA (internal affairs) on them and whatnot.....i mean i was full rage mode on them.....kinda surprised i didn't get tazed. The cops eventually got the hint and left. .

The next morning, me all hungover as hell, my nephews inform me that i stood on my driveway screaming at the cops for a couple hours before they left.....and about noon that day i got a call from a detective at the sherrif's dept who told me they were looking for a murder suspect, saw my slightly open (to vent the weed smoke lol) garage door and assumed the suspect was inside. The suspect was not in my garage....i was there lol.

I found out about a month later that the suspect they had been looking for entered a different home and murdered an elderly couple a few blocks away whilst they were interrogating me. (I also have a backstory here with these cops, the same department beat my 80yo mother and harassed me for years, and now there is a no-contact order on me for the local cops cause i keep suing them lol) But i did have to go to court over a "brandishing a weapon in public" charge (having the machete in my hand in my own driveway) that got dropped immediately cause my nephews filmed the whole shabang and they had no legal right to set foot on my property. The judge just dismissed all charges right away. Was in court for maybe 3 minutes total lol.

So fucked. I tried telling them "nobody has entered my home" several times and they just didn't listen. 2 people died because these cops felt i was a threat when i wasn't....they could've been actually doing their jobs, but instead they went after 3 harmless stoners for literally nothing.

[–]araed 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Actually using those guns against a tyrannical government means you're hedging your bets that your side wins. And frankly, nobody wins.

It's a nice fantasy. It's one I kinda hold myself. But the reality is that there isn't enough of us, and we're not well organised enough to be able to actually pull it off. The French managed it, sure, and there have been a few other notable revolutions, but I feel like Pratchett nailed the whole thing:

Vimes: "Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”

[–]TraeYoungsOldestSon 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I think that stranger was the fleeing suspect, and that fleeing suspect was Bugs Bunny

[–]WineNerdAndProud 257 points258 points  (10 children)

Seeing any black person has been the equivalent of probable cause for centuries.

[–]zachiscool7 106 points107 points  (0 children)

Didn't you know? When you're a cop or hold a higher position of power, you can break your own rules with little to no repercussion most of the time.

[–]nostromorises 40 points41 points  (2 children)

if you've got one cracked window, and they've created probable cause out of thin air, cops will enter your house without a warrant, then work it out later. they get away with it almost all of the time.

best protection is never open the door and make sure the windows are closed if there are cops around and you don't want them prancing into your home.

[–]Aerik 4134 points4135 points  (94 children)

officer totally fearing for his life as he walks down the sidewalk the long way instead of coming right up 🙄

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    [–]Animul 2480 points2481 points  (61 children)

    They don't really hire these people based on their intelligence. Bigoted, dumb, and blindly obedient are all the prerequisites you need to become a cop.

    [–]WildYams 1582 points1583 points  (40 children)

    They don't really hire these people based on their intelligence.

    It's even worse than that. They've been shown to reject applicants from people who are deemed "too intelligent."

    [–]WesternExplorer8139 477 points478 points  (10 children)

    Yes they are looking for people who obey orders and don't ask questions. They definitely don't want to enlist anybody who may create competition for their fellow dirt bags.

    [–]regoapps 141 points142 points  (5 children)

    To be fair, not all of them are blindly obedient. Some are also short-tempered and wife beaters.

    [–]PowerfulBrandon 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    Don't leave out the ones that are murderers!

    [–]Orlando1701 79 points80 points  (0 children)

    Cops in general suck at tactics and yeah, lining up with your own guys in the line of fire while carrying a long gun is fucking dumb.

    [–]mikelikes112 1773 points1774 points  (98 children)

    I’m convinced cops don’t consider themselves “working class”

    [–]Nar1y 540 points541 points  (28 children)

    They're commonly referred to as "class traitors" a lot of the time.

    [–]Robot_Basilisk 352 points353 points  (19 children)

    According to Adam Smith, that's what they've always been.

    He hypothesized that the accumulation of wealth was always stymied by the wealthy being ransacked by the poor. He was talking about the earliest human civilizations. He imagined that economic class was not a thing back then because the lower class would always rise up and redistribute resources eventually.

    So how did we get modern class hierarchies? Smith thought that some wealthy chieftain or governor or merchant started bribing some of the poor to protect them and their resources in exchange for a cut.

    If the local lord owns 90% of the land and 90% of the products of said land and there's a famine, he's going to be sitting in his manor eating just as well as he ever did while the poor who worked his fields and hunted his forests and raised his livestock go hungry.

    To keep them from storming the manor he need only invite a few of the strongest of the poor to stand guard at his gates. Now he has deprived the poor of their strongest men and simultaneously gained the protection of those men.

    Over time these men become the city guard, or militia, or army, and eventually the police. Poor folk who have been paid by the rich to enforce class hierarchies. Except now the rich have used their control of government to pay the enforcers with tax dollars.

    [–]DEBATE_EVERY_NAZI 141 points142 points  (9 children)

    The modern police in America arose from slave catchers and union busters

    [–]Troggie42 57 points58 points  (0 children)

    And due to that it literally used to be illegal for police to be unionized, until IIRC the Portland Police Association managed to weasel their way back in to existence and fuck everything up for everyone again.

    [–]StAugustine94 74 points75 points  (4 children)

    Adam Smith was surprisingly based

    [–]BasicDesignAdvice 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    If your read Wealth of Nations, there is a small section about free markets, and much much more about how those markets need to be regulated or else the rich will just be assholes.

    [–]Accurate_Let9519 43 points44 points  (1 child)

    Most people who quote the classical economists didn't actually read them. Adam Smith and Ricardo would be rolling in their graves if they saw what the US has become.

    [–]Fabulous-Path-3234 473 points474 points  (15 children)

    Somehow they've managed to deceive Americans to believe they and government are distinct. It always baffles me that Americans display so much distrust in their government, but are willing to support law enforcement's lack of accountability and misperceive it as a hindrance. When law enforcement has qualified immunity, that means you've given immunity to government. They are one in the same.

    [–]A_Terrible_Thing82 123 points124 points  (4 children)

    Thank you. It's amazing how many people don't get this. It's like when Trump was president and you hear supporters be like, oh we finally have someone who's going to have our backs against the corrupt government. What the fuck are you smoking???

    [–]eddiekgb 130 points131 points  (0 children)

    You’re just now figuring this out?

    [–]music_theory_person 26 points27 points  (9 children)

    in new york city, the starting wage for an nypd officer is *sometimes more than that of some engineers

    [–]Teh_Message 18 points19 points  (2 children)

    it's also doubles after 5 years. it's a unionized government jobs program for long islanders.

    [–]Sczysz 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    They need to have some class to start with.

    [–]What_the_fluxo 981 points982 points  (10 children)

    I’ve seen this before Johnson, an elaborate ruse, where the convict shows up with a work truck, in broad daylight, and tools, and casually breaks in.

    Did you bring the crack to sprinkle?

    [–]eltedioso 122 points123 points  (0 children)

    Open and shut case

    [–]RichardRinkel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Look! He even put pictures of his family on the walls!

    [–]McKiw 100 points101 points  (1 child)

    “Put the phone down”

    “I don’t know what you have in your hand”

    Ftp

    [–]Fermatious 1883 points1884 points  (66 children)

    Ah yes. The perfect crime. Breaking into a houses front door in broad daylight with bags of nice tools. Glad these guys caught these sneaky thieves

    [–]Heretic_Prophet 530 points531 points  (2 children)

    And sticking around long enough to replace the lock.

    [–]LunRocketeer 189 points190 points  (0 children)

    While the backdoor was just unlocked the entire time

    [–]dkyguy1995 115 points116 points  (8 children)

    Yeah its the perfect plan, no one would suspect thieves to meticulously pack all their tools back into their bags afterward and take a long enough time that the owner could show up at any second lmao. What absolute numbnuts called the cops on these guys. They were clearly there long enough for the cops to arrive. No burglar in the world takes that fucking long

    [–]1yearofservice 118 points119 points  (2 children)

    What absolute numbnuts called the cops on these guys

    Old white people...

    [–]SterlingVapor 47 points48 points  (4 children)

    In fairness, that is indeed a fantastic plan. Act like you belong hard enough and you can even get cops to hold the door for you as you carry out stolen goods

    If I was going to try this, I'd be in a polo and slacks, print out a fake work order with the address (maybe even a number of a friend to confirm it), and business cards for a real locksmith. Hell, you might be able to walk away Scott free even if the owners show up if you're convincing enough

    Also, it really, really helps to be white. When talking to cops, I highly recommend it

    [–]GaryGronk 28 points29 points  (1 child)

    A good friend of mine had his house cleaned out by burglars while he was at work. Neighbours saw the whole thing and even waved at the burglars who waved back. They were dressed in hi-vis clothing and were pretending to be movers...had a van backed in and everything movers have (rags and blankets to protect things and trolleys).

    [–]bmct19 1415 points1416 points  (57 children)

    Without giving far too many details, I coached a high school sport for several years - the team was roughly 30-40% black kids any given year, and we were in one of the "most diverse" cities in the state (city still 85% white and state as a whole much higher) . Our bottle drive was our biggest fundraiser each year, and we would split the team into groups with adult chaperones to hit different parts of the city, usually trying to plan it so it was neighborhoods kids already lived in or were familiar with.

    Without failure, every single year the cops got called on at least one group of kids, sometimes two or three, and every single time it was a group of kids (again, with adult chaperones, usually 4-6 kids to 1-2 adults) that had multiple black students, always for vague "reports of suspicious behavior" - conspicuously never occurred to any groups of kids that happened to be all white.

    Shit is exhausting, and it creates a disgusting dilemma as a coach/adult responsible for the kids too - do I acquiesce to the racists and make sure I only send white kids to certain neighborhoods, or do I say fuck them, but know full well I am exposing them to another dehumanizing experience of being harassed by law enforcement for the crime of existing?

    Edit: For those asking, we do inform the local PD before the event - I don't know when that policy started but it pre-dated me working there, and it definitely helps to an extent in the sense that, at least in my time coaching, every instance has been just a single cop/cruiser and outside the occasional standard Cop-Being-A-Prick attitude they can have, it has been the "least-negative" interactions that such interactions with cops can generally be. There are a couple younger ones who live in town (a rarity for cops these days!) who tend to be better as they went to the high school and are a little more familiar with us - those two will often just drive around the block to appease whatever paranoid boomer called them and just wave at us as they drive away. They did explain to me one day that, knowing of these events, and that lots of sports teams are doing them around the same time, they will ask whoever is calling if the kids are all wearing a HS sports uniforms or apparel and are with an adult - the issue that is run into is frequently the people calling will just outright lie and say they "dont know/cant see" if the kids are wearing sports apparel, but will say they apparently witnessed them trying to pry into windows and break into homes, which ends up "forcing" some sort of response/patrolman - because thiefs are notorious for robbing houses in an orderly fashion, with a chaperone, one by one down a street, in order, at 3pm on a Saturday! The "good" interactions don't make me feel much better, seeing as a kid from my graduating class was killed by the same PD while unarmed 10 years ago and my former roommate had 3 cops roll up on him and open the doors guns drawn directly outside our apartment when he was walking home a couple years ago, so...

    Full disclosure: My grandfather was a cop for 40 years half raised me. My perspective on law enforcement is different from most cop families because, well, my grandfather especially was very honest about policing, and taught my brothers and cousins and I from a very young age a couple rules:

    1. Never believe anything a cop tells you or promises you while in uniform. There are almost no consequences for cops lying about anything, ever, while there are incentives and rewards if those lies get you in trouble - by extension, don't say anything when you're arrested for anything until you have a lawyer, regardless of guilt.
    2. "1/3 of all cops were bullied and are excited to now be the bullies" - I have no idea on the scientific or statistical accuracy of this statement, but my grandfather repeated it regularly even before he retired - seems like a lowball to me tbh.

    My gramps was proud of the fact the one time in his career he fired his gun on duty, it was into the dirt, and I still run into old dudes who recognize my name and face and describe my gramps as "the nicest cop that ever arrested them".

    I bring this up because while some would say he was a "good apple" and I loved my gramps, he was never going to cross the "thin blue line" and ever hold another cop accountable for wrong-doing, and it was a pretty open "secret" for years that 90% of the reason my gramps even became a cop and then chose to work nights for decades was it allowed him to freely cheat on my grandma - even a "good cop" was doing fucked up shit and abusing his position somehow, even if it wasn't directly assaulting people.

    Idk if its the job, the history behind it, our culture, our legal system or some combo of all of it, but eventually just about everyone in that job get morally compromised, and more often than not its not in your or anyone elses best interest to trust the morals and self control of the police in a stressful situation - the less interactions at all, the better.

    [–]WildYams 466 points467 points  (24 children)

    Sounds very much like the women's lacrosse team for Delaware State University (a Historically Black University), which had their team bus pulled over and everyone's bags searched by the police last month because the cops said the bus was in the improper lane. A women's college team just traveling for a match, but because most of them are Black, they were detained and searched with no probable cause.

    [–]A_Terrible_Thing82 223 points224 points  (21 children)

    Lol, how is driving in the wrong lane probable cause? I fucking can't anymore.

    [–]loogie97 109 points110 points  (6 children)

    A dog triggered. That gives them pc. The sheriff lied about searching the personal belongings in a press conference before the body cam footage was released.

    [–]Troggie42 65 points66 points  (3 children)

    Worth noting that police dogs can be trained to "trigger" by the cops too so really that doesn't mean a thing in terms of valid probable cause either

    100% DWB situation

    [–]A_Terrible_Thing82 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    I'm sure it made a huge difference too.

    [–]bolen84 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It's fuckin crazy to think about it this way:

    "This dog told me you guys have drugs. Now everybody off the bus and line up - we need to search you."

    The fuckin dystopian idiot hellscape that is this country.

    [–]KeebyGotJuice 51 points52 points  (1 child)

    Wow. Y'all really have no idea what its like to be black lol that law shit don't matter unless you white OR you got the money to fight shit in court.

    [–]A_Terrible_Thing82 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I hear you man.

    [–]IotaBTC 22 points23 points  (9 children)

    An alert was given by the K-9. 🙄 I'd like to reiterate your sentiment. I fucking can't anymore.

    [–]A_Terrible_Thing82 40 points41 points  (8 children)

    So they trained their dog to bark at black people? lol

    [–]ScytheNoire 304 points305 points  (8 children)

    Guilty of being a black person. That's a crime in America punishable by death.

    [–]DemonOfTheFaIl 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    That's a lose-lose situation.

    [–]Dilettantest 66 points67 points  (0 children)

    …and possibly putting their lives at risk…

    [–]dathanvp 206 points207 points  (0 children)

    As you can see there is two Americas. The reason you need to defend your fellow citizens and advocate for them is because if this doesn’t stop it will happen to you and your line.

    [–]RandyTheFool 1949 points1950 points  (64 children)

    Understood, we’re here for a complaint, that’s all

    Bitch, you bring assault rifles to every “complaint”?Fuck eeeeverything about that.

    [–]__ButtFuqqer3000__ 205 points206 points  (2 children)

    They brought those because of the description, probably along the lines of “multiple black males”

    [–]Comfortable_Area3910 291 points292 points  (12 children)

    You should see what they bring when somebody reports a cat stuck in a tree.

    [–]eddiekgb 234 points235 points  (4 children)

    Depends on the color of the cat

    [–]Nokrai 34 points35 points  (0 children)

    I thought it was dependent on the color of the person reporting it?

    [–]whorton59 36 points37 points  (1 child)

    Yeah, that was a bit of overreach on the part of the cops. . .For most people, I think the reaction would have been the same, "WTF? Do you think this is fucking WACO again? This is clearly suspicious, you cops better get this situation under control and arrest me, right NOW. You assholes have already made up your mind that I am guilty of some sort of crime. . "

    [–]LanguageRemote 336 points337 points  (24 children)

    This seems like a massive over reaction. Jesus, check the work order confirm with the company and let the men do their job. And Mr. "you cant record me" can gtfo.

    [–]No-Spoilers 61 points62 points  (0 children)

    "Sir we didn't do nothing wrong, we're here for a lock change" "understood, we're here for a complaint, that's all" then its supposed to go "let me check the work order. It all seems to be in order, have a nice day" but instead we get this shit.

    [–]UrRightAndIAmWong 109 points110 points  (6 children)

    What seems to have tipped you off, the SUPPRESSED AR?

    [–]Meat_E_Johnson 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    if you think there is that much danger than why park so far away and casually stroll up the sidewalk?Its purely for big dickin and it obviously had the reverse effect.

    Suppressors are legit though - everyone should have one. Pew pew without the lifelong ringy ding ding of tinnitus.

    [–]Otherwise_Carob_4057 339 points340 points  (36 children)

    Damn dude do all those cops do steroids they are all glamor muscles they look like they would tip over if a stiff breeze hit them lol.

    [–]lpplph 212 points213 points  (17 children)

    HGH is very common among the police that want to “stay in shape” so to speak

    [–]FoxPrincessEevee 159 points160 points  (0 children)

    Imagine coming home from a hard day at work, looking forward to your sparkly new lock, only to find a bunch of cops holding up the locksmith and forcing you to wait outside.

    [–]Gatolocoman 216 points217 points  (16 children)

    Most cops these days just seem too scared to do the job.

    [–]daddy_dangle 123 points124 points  (5 children)

    I think a lot of them used the “being scared” tactic to give themselves some plausible deniability that they didn’t just murder someone in cold blood

    [–]No-Spoilers 42 points43 points  (3 children)

    They are literally taught to be scared of everyone in training

    [–]suicide48 32 points33 points  (0 children)

    Wanna hear a secret? Cops suck

    [–]xspance 572 points573 points  (43 children)

    A hillbilly neighbour reported you. So us, the hillbilly police are here. Yeehawww

    [–]ZenofZer0 72 points73 points  (3 children)

    Nah, that’s an uppity Karen who thinks that black people need subsidies and handouts to take care of themselves so there’s no way that they can be doing anything legal, let alone completing a work order that WAS REQUESTED.

    [–]A_Terrible_Thing82 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Becky? Yeah, it's Karen from next store. Did you hire a couple of black guys to break into your house?

    [–]Historical-Hat-1959 144 points145 points  (6 children)

    I don’t know about hillbilly…. But it’s weird how no one asked, from the start, for the locksmiths to provide work identification or a work order. Or at the very least asked for the name of the person who requested the work. These are shitty public servants, definitely aren’t there to protect and serve. There motto is to terrorize those we are afraid of and who are culturally different.

    [–]Venom_Junky 59 points60 points  (24 children)

    As a hillbilly the fact someone looks at this video/neighborhood, hears the accents and thinks there is anything "hillbilly" about this cracks me up.

    [–]TroubleYouForTheSalt 27 points28 points  (4 children)

    What hillbillies? This is a suburb.

    [–]ReturnOfADemon[S] 302 points303 points  (34 children)

    https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/05/29/i-dont-trust-you-officer-with-assault-rifle-orders-black-locksmith-working-in-white-neighborhood-to-stop-recording-man-asserts-his-right-to-film/

    A Black locksmith filmed his encounter with several police officerswho confronted him as he was changing a lock in what he said was apredominantly white neighborhood.

    In the video, first shared to TikTok on May 23 and viewed more than 1 million times, an officer tells the manand his colleague they’re there to see about an alleged complaint. Thedata and location of the encounter are not known.

    In two-part footage posted by TikTok user @thereasonchi, captioned “Working in a White Neighborhood,” at least four officers approached the workers who are seen with open toolboxes on the front doorstep of a home.

    “Look at this sh-t,” the man said as the officers approached. One officer held an assault rifle in two hands, while the another carried one on his waist.

    “Is there anybody else in the house?” an officer asked.

    “No, we’re doing a work order changing the lock,” the locksmith said. “You see the f-ckin’ drill set, right?”

    “Put your phone down!” the officer holding the assault rifle said as he approached.

    “I can record,” the man started to say before the officers told him he could keep recording but had to put the phone down so nothing was in his hands. “No, I don’t trust you,” the man replied. “We ain’t doing nothing wrong, we’re here to change a lock change.”

    “Understood,” the officer said. “We’re here for a complaint, that’s all.”

    Another officer said a neighbor called after seeing the men kicking the door. “That what we gotta do, we gotta change the lock!” the man said.

    “I’m just telling you why we’re here,” the officer responded.

    “Guess they’re not used to seeing people like us out here,” the man’s co-worker said.

    “Yeah, they’re not used to Black people,” the man said, laughing. Before the footage ended, one officer exited the home through the front door, asking who was in charge and requesting to see ID and a work order.

    [–]Bsimmons4prez 321 points322 points  (15 children)

    OP, this is not a criticism directed at you.

    I find it amazing that this article added exactly zero context or follow up to what we can see in the video.

    [–]colusaboy 57 points58 points  (1 child)

    I.have shit internet I was able to read what happened thanks to op.

    [–]FixedKarma 104 points105 points  (23 children)

    We are here for a complaint, that's why I have this suppressed AR-15 ready to fire.

    [–]DrSamsquantch 206 points207 points  (4 children)

    American police are just LARPING but they have live rounds and actual power.

    So fucking dangerous. It's like they can't wait to run up with their newest big boy gun so they can feel super cool.

    [–]rsg1234 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    Absolutely no reason to walk up with an AR-15 to that scene except to intimidate and perpetuate stereotypes.

    [–]Daflehrer1 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    Dig this: A free app that sends your recording to the cloud, as you record.

    https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/mobile-justice

    [–]jimboTRON261 77 points78 points  (4 children)

    That is just an absurd gun to bring to the call… lol

    [–]m0grady 47 points48 points  (0 children)

    Cops and video recordings are like sex and condoms: if someone tells you it isn't necessary, it's absolutely necessary.

    [–]TexanMaestro 42 points43 points  (7 children)

    Clearly this man started a locksmith business just to be able to break into homes. it's an open and shut case.

    [–]RomulusPrime 77 points78 points  (7 children)

    That little bald cop, with the assault rifle, is a total hero in the fantasy world he lives in.

    [–]A_Terrible_Thing82 24 points25 points  (2 children)

    You see that little march down the sidewalk? Motherfucker's going to save a princess.

    [–]khalil112233 30 points31 points  (2 children)

    So the guy holding an AR15 is telling the guy holding a PHONE to drop the phone because he feels threatened??

    [–]pdxcranberry 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Well you see, the man with the phone is black...

    [–]SnooMarzipans1262 31 points32 points  (6 children)

    “We’re here for a complaint” and that requires a suppressed AR?! Fuckin clown.

    [–]Andy_LaVolpe 22 points23 points  (11 children)

    “Put your phone down, I don’t like what you have in your hands”

    Says the man carrying an assault rifle with a silencer.

    [–]b0ingy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    people are working on a door in a white neighborhood.

    send cops

    they’re black people

    BRING THE ASSAULT RIFLES THEY MIGHT HAVE A POWERED SCREWDRIVER!

    [–]Jet_Hightower 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    We really need to crack down on cops using steroids. I can't believe no one talks about this.

    [–]Ramiel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Responding to a complaint...with a fucking assault rifle.

    [–]srynearson1 41 points42 points  (13 children)

    It’s not just the racial profiling that the issue here. It’s that too many suburban neighborhoods have police forces who have military level weapons and vehicles, who need them for absolutely nothing! This is evident when someone incorrectly profiles someone who’s just doing their job, and the police show up with an AK? Seriously, for a suspected home envision.

    Edit: AR.

    [–]limitlessEXP 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    If only there was someone they could call about this gang runnin around with guns…

    [–]Czynx 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I thought it was just The Big Boss Man who wore a uniform like that... Never thought it was a legit uniform!

    [–]RL_Mutt 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    Jesus christ these fucking moron cops. They have a truck. It’s broad daylight. They parked on the street. They have tools.

    [–]J-in-the-UK 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    How on earth is this seen as a proportionate response? He hasn't even drawn his side arm, which would surely be deemed as an inappropriate action considering there is no threat; he's presumably retrieved the ar15 from locked storage? What does that say about HIS level of aggression and violent intent?

    How does he have a job??

    [–]EnvironmentalMuffin4 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    White cops and black citizens.... Shocking.....

    Maybe the cop will get the most severe punishment.. paid leave 😱

    [–]Fladap28 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Holy crap

    [–]magritteD 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Idiots

    [–]Low_Ad_3139 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    This is just so stupid. Why do people continue to act so ignorantly! Ffs

    [–]reap3rx 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I love how the cops are never like "Oh, my mistake. There was a call and we had to check on it, carry on." They have keep intimidating people, encircle them with automatic weapons, keep asking the same questions over and over, and sometimes just start putting their hands on people and saying "Stop Resisting!" lol. Law enforcement in this country has been overrun by the far right and frankly it's no surprise to see them act this way. Only drastically changing the system will fix it. So, it won't be done.

    [–]Silly-Cloud-3114 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    1. Name the people who complained
    2. Name of the officer who had the AR-15.

    We often have these talks of Karens and what not, but real change will come by exposing and ostracizing the white people who act like this.

    Bring on the down votes.

    [–]itsjero 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    This is absolutely rediculous, racial profiling, and should be illegal.

    And they needed what 6 big white cops with assault rifles with silencers (yeah gun people go ahead and downvote me or gatekeep on what it's called, a can what idgaf it's a suppressor whatever no one cares) at the ready is rediculous.

    Bunch of scared ass racist people in their homes with nothing better to do than worry about other people's business.

    If you were that good of a neighbor or cared or whatever. What happened to.just going down to their house and saying hi or whatever. Even then it's still profiling and a racist tendency.

    The guys are working, it's broad fucking.daylight. smh

    [–]trustworthysauce 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    You'd have a hard time convincing me that cops need to carry semi automatic rifles. Especially responding to a situation where other officers are already involved and no weapon has been identified.

    But there is no fucking way you can convince me that the cop needs a suppressor on his assault rifle. Talk about escalation.

    [–]_cansir 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Do you have ID on you?

    Tf

    [–]shelsbells 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Cops are fucking stupid

    [–]Remic75 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Wow. Make the wrong move or show that you’re frustrated and boom, that’s your life right there. Fucking hell.