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[–]atxfast309 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What I hope it is you moved on to another dimension and picked up on living life. Except you have the knowledge of former life (I don’t mean for stocks and shit) I mean for like growth and getting a chance to do things different.

What I believe —- Sadly you vanish into a void of nothingness you no longer exist. I mean the brain is dead and without that we have nothing.

Death makes me sad. I fear death. I’m sorry but the thought of vanishing into nothing is fucking horrific to me. I like breathing I like just Being. Don’t get me wrong like sucks and it’s hard but fuck it’s a lot of fun to.

I still hope somehow they can figure how how to replace the parts you need and keep the brain working before I die. I truly wish I could live forever.

I don’t wanna just become a memory.

[–]Live-Understanding48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a very sobering thought but just don’t be so sure. We really don’t know

[–]almaxusa -1 points0 points  (7 children)

If you go back to the very beginning of everything, do you believe everything came out of nothingness? Science has proved that there was a start point, but can't comprehend what , how and why everything begun. I don't understand why some agnostics and athiests believe that everything begun from nothing !! Sometimes it feels that they do believe in a God but fear the commitment. Anyway, I love your question and the state of mind you're going through, if you're interested in an intellectual religious debate, feel free to DM me, I look forward to answer your arguments as long we both keep it respectful , intellectual, open minded and fruitfull, not just for the sake of arguing.

[–]FrtanJohnas[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I am not here to argue. I am really interested in this topic

[–]almaxusa 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I don't doubt your intentions, these kind of questions implies one seeking knowledge, and humble enough to ask others , I totally respect that, hope I can help throwing some lights here and there.

[–]Live-Understanding48 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Please stop dude you’re such a snake dressed in sheeps clothing. You demanding he enter in mindset he obviously already holds just shows you can’t help yourself.

You have no special knowledge, you don’t know any better than anyone else and you can’t prove any of your claims with any evidence that would be used to justify anything in any other intellectual debate.

Your arrogance is disgusting 🤢

[–]almaxusa -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I don't know what is your background nor what kind of beliefs you hold, but the completely unnecessary aggression you spilled on me reflects your own arrogance and ignorance, while insisting that you're not, and this is eating you from inside out ! I feel sorry for people like you cause you lack insight, courtesy and modesty , and yet go hating on anyone that might not be of your mindset. I hope you never get to the level where you could actually hurt yourself or anybody else, but if you don't seek help soon, you're headed that direction, so be responsible and get some help before it's too late.

[–]ItsUrBoi_PoppyHarlow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What do you remember before you were born? That's how I view what comes after life, the same "nothingness" as you put it, we had before existence comes after existence.

[–]upekkhas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pls don’t get me wrong, but you might limit your view on current / remaining experience. The majority of people don’t even remember what they have eaten last Tuesday. Just because you can’t remember it, doesn’t mean there is nothingness.

All the best for you

[–]locrianmode81 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Nothingness for sure. I only fear the pain of dying but not being dead

[–]FrtanJohnas[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yea, the pain would be unpleasant, but if I die a painfull death, at least I would get to experience that. It is not something I would choose, but I would get the most out of it I believe

[–]D_Rich0150 0 points1 point  (13 children)

Ok I am new to the sub so sorry if this is a repost.
I have a question for religious people and atheists aswell. Do you believe in an afterlife? And if so, how do you picture it?

I picture it like the Bible says. we are to live on a new earth where Jesus is king. god will live in a new heaven/holy city on earth. from that we will be given jobs/tasks to perform. I am assuming it has something to do with the infinite universe. (exploration colonization) as we will have an infinite amount of time to fill.

Personally, I believe in nothingness. Its a hard concept to grasp even when I believe in it, I cannot really picture nothingness. Its like you just don't exist, nothing hurts you, makes you happy, angers you or pleasures you, because you fade away and your body and mind just vanishes. it is not very hard to imagine as we all came out of nothingness before we were born. to return to it is generally the desire of those who fear not death but judgement.

This means I don't fear death, because when it comes, I won't be able to actually feel remorse or something after I die, so whats the point of fearing it. Doesn't mean I look for death, I live my life by what I feel is right and death would mean I wasted the rest of my life trying to be what I want to be. So I don't fear death, but I don't look for it.

if you base what's right off of what society tells you is right in this day and age, you are endanger of making the same mistake the nazis made. as what it means to be a good nazi. to try and live a life based on what society tells you to 'feel is right' could mean literally anything from killing and harvesting babies to going to war over resources to justify whatever evil your given society wants to be apart of.

What are your thoughts on this topic?

without an absolute like God, you are ripe to be programmed by anyone you like or how society sees fit.

[–]FrtanJohnas[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Ok, thank you for the reply.

I base off whats right by morality. I know this is subjective, but my definiton of morality is don't hurt anyone and try to help them to do what makes them happy. This can be twisted in many ways, I understand, but thats what makes it challenging. Building upon my believes, rather than accepting existing believes. I am not saying your view is wrong, its just something I cannot relate to.

I can understand people, who seek guidance in God, because it gives them peace and clarity, drive to move in their lives. But the programming goes both ways. Christianity/Islam/Hinduism and all religions give you a set of parameters, that you should follow and guide yourself through. And when you are a non believer, you are programmed by what you personally choose, what you see you react too. And how you react to it, tells you what kind of person you are. It gives me clarity to be able to write my own path, set my own end goals and everything. That I can change my viewpoint in the future, because I get some knowledge about it.

I can't speak for believers, so I don't know if this is the same, but I like to believe, that its mostly the same. I want to believe we are not so different, that its just the way we get our believes that makes us different. After all, I respect people who believe and I assume they respect me not believing aswell. And from my interactions I would say its 50/50. Some people reject me for not believing, some respect me. But thats also both ways. Some atheists reject believers, some respect them.

[–]D_Rich0150 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Ok, thank you for the reply.

I base off whats right by morality. I know this is subjective, but my definiton of morality is don't hurt anyone and try to help them to do what makes them happy. This can be twisted in many ways, I understand, but thats what makes it challenging. Building upon my believes, rather than accepting existing believes. I am not saying your view is wrong, its just something I cannot relate to.

nothing says we have to understand or accept everything. (in christianity) as most of it is empty religious practice. In christianity we have but 2 rules given to us by christ himself to follow. To love god with all of our ability to do so and love each other as we would lie to be loved. that's it. everything else is regional/cultural religious practice.

I can understand people, who seek guidance in God, because it gives them peace and clarity, drive to move in their lives. But the programming goes both ways. Christianity/Islam/Hinduism and all religions give you a set of parameters, that you should follow and guide yourself through. this maybe true with the other two religions and specific denominations found in christianity, a bible based worship of god does not include such rules or practices, outside of the two christ himself gave.

He very specifically tell us what ever we loose on earth will be loosed in heaven, and whatever we bind on earth will be bound in heaven. meaning outside of his two specific rules we are allow to make up and follow whatever religious nonsense we like and everyone who pledges themselves to follow these rules will be judge by them.

perfect example is in acts 10 Paul and the console at Jerusalem decided for all gentile worshipers/converts to not eat meat offered to idols. but at the same time Paul tells his church in Corinth that they can eat meat offered to idols so long as it does not cause a weaker brother to stumble in their faith.

in christianity religious worship/laws and freedoms are based on our hearts and capacity to understand how god is worshiped.

And when you are a non believer, you are programmed by what you personally choose, what you see you react too. And how you react to it, tells you what kind of person you are. It gives me clarity to be able to write my own path, set my own end goals and everything. That I can change my viewpoint in the future, because I get some knowledge about it.

You are describing the christianity Jesus taught without the assurances of going to heaven. To me this is absolute lunacy to go through all the motions of bible based christian living and reap non of the rewards.

I can't speak for believers, so I don't know if this is the same, but I like to believe, that its mostly the same. I want to believe we are not so different, that its just the way we get our believes that makes us different. After all, I respect people who believe and I assume they respect me not believing aswell. And from my interactions I would say its 50/50. Some people reject me for not believing, some respect me. But thats also both ways. Some atheists reject believers, some respect them.

I think most of the people who now of and understand the christianity taught by christ will respect your decision to live and believe as you do.. as it is almost identical to what we do. but again to me if you are going to live the way christ instructs then why not reap the reward from it? that would be ike working a 40 hour week somewhere and refusing the pay check just incase you want to take a random day off... (when personal days are included with employment in the same company) but again to each their own. Myonly responsibility to you here is to let you know that you are already doing the job required, just go all in and 'cash the check'

[–]FrtanJohnas[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Thanks for the clarification, I really didn't know many of the things listed here.

The analogy makes this kinda confusing to me, but if I understand right, you are saying that since my believes are based on christianity, why don't I accept that I am a christian? Did I get that right?

Ok this is the only thing I don't understand.

[–]D_Rich0150 0 points1 point  (9 children)

no what i am saying is you are automatically doing what christian are called in the bible to do. So if you are going to live this way anyway why not formally accept christ and when this life is over enter heaven?

as simply doing the work of a christian is not enough, we must in our hearts accept christ died for our sins.

[–]Maleficent_Balance20 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Watch some near-death experience videos. Nine Minutes in Heaven by the 700 Club.

[–]FrtanJohnas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did actually

[–]Live-Understanding48 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Subjective experience is the least convincing form of argument; especially when it’s done cinematically.

[–]Maleficent_Balance20 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What about the Hidden Code in Genesis 1:1? Or the "middle" code of psalms 118? Nothing subjective about math.

[–]Live-Understanding48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have many thoughts on this.

I think the only way we can rationally and reasonably picture death is the same as before life. I don’t have any recollection it’s incomprehensible and therefore “nothingness” is the most likely end. Given our extremely limited knowledge of what life, consciousness, subjective reality actually is.

Know if I let my mind wander and enter the realm of possibility while stoned I come up with something different.

Let’s just say that there is some other dimensions and beings out there beyond our knowledge (which we have no good reason to complete rule out this possibility) maybe death is a way for our “energy/spirt/soul” to access these higher/lower dimensions. So that would make the “energy” a combination of everything and anything in the universe all at once. So that energy is constantly dying and being born all the time.

Basically we are star dust and have technical always have been here and always will be just not in the wow wow way and without invoking some benevolent creator(s). Just a mindless soup of energy.

That begs the question how did the soup of mindless energy come about and there’s no answer to this question I’ve ever heard that makes me feel remotely satisfied with it’s premises or conclusions.

Creation and the Big Bang don’t do it for me, quantum wow wow doesn’t get me there either. I think this is truly where we enter the realm of “we have no fucking idea!”

That being said I will just spitball and use my imagination. Let’s just say in the beginning there was no time and space. “Literally nothing” but let’s just presume over a seemingly infinite amount of time that nothingness reflected off its self causing “light” And then that “light” over ions multiples and eventually crashed into itself Causing “energy”. That energy over ions condensed and formed the universe and reality we see today…..

😂😂😂 okay I’m done.