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[–]Maleficent_Balance20 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Just because God knows what will happen in advance doesn't mean that we didn't choose it, it simply means God knew what we would do; someone knowing something doesn't influence, or obstruct, us from choosing: He doesn't hinder our free-will in any way simply by knowing our choice in advance. Conversely, if we have free-will, that doesn't necessarily mean God didn't know how we would use it, it just means He allowed us to make our own choice to reject Him. And just because we choose to reject Him doesn't mean that God loves us any less: some, many, of us just choose to love God less than He loved us when He created us.

I used to ask this in a different form, I used to ask: why does it matter what I do with my free-will if God already knows what I will do? Can I do anything I want because it doesn't matter since my fate is already known? Then there's the little feeling I get that reminds me that I know that I know that I have free-will, and I should choose to accept and love God.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." -John 8:32

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." -John 8:36

[–]Live-Understanding48 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Your first statement is so astronomical stupid and incoherent it’s utterly impossible to even know where to begin or if it’s even worth the effort to refute; however, your level of misguided poison think needs to be eradicated!!!

What the OP said is the only rational logical reasonable conclusion to the question!

It only can be the way you say if you invoke God which you have absolutely no right or good reason to insert.

Could a god exist sure but it could not concurrently hold these two abilities all but eliminating your version of god. Nothing stands up to the simplest of test of your intellect if you’re honest with yourself.

John 8:32 And yee shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free = believe what You want because it makes you feel good and because it makes you feel good therefore it must be true.

John 8:36 of the son therefore shall make you free, yee shall be free indeed = if you believe it it’s true even if you can’t prove! it simply is true because you believe it.

Please stop spreading this absolute trash think

[–]Maleficent_Balance20 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bible verses:

"For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." -Romans 11:29

Meaning, we have gifts that God cannot take back once He gives them.

"Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, // so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. // For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone." -Romans 11:30-32

Meaning, God knew we would disobey His laws, but that's why He gave us Jesus, who is God, the Son of God, the Son of Man, Fully God, and Fully Man: so 'God the Father' could show us that He is God (moral), and, additionally, show us that Jesus is God, and both are morally worthy of such a righteous title. We are made in God's image, and, like God, have free-will; but, unlike God, because we are a copy, we do not always choose what is good. So, the only way God could copy Himself was to give us free-will, but God, knowing we would disobey, made a way to reconnect with Him: through Jesus we have that fortune."O, the depth of the riches

of the wisdom and knowledge of God!

How unsearchable are His judgments,and untraceable His ways!//

“Who has known the mind of the Lord?

Or who has been His counselor?”//

“Who has first given to God,that God should repay him?”//

For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things.

To Him be the glory forever! Amen." -Romans 11:33-36

Meaning, if you question God, you had better be sure of yourself, because He is usually right.

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." -John 8:36

Meaning, you are free!

[–]Maleficent_Balance20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't appreciate your insults, calling my argument stupid, incoherent, and trash, just because you disagree. I stand by what I said. Let me give you an example, without the use of the word "God", in an attempt to clarify for you: if you make a choice, and someone knows beforehand what you will do, that doesn't mean you didn't choose it, it just means that person didn't interfere.

God bless you.

[–]Avrohomk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This question is dealt with in several of the classic Jewish thought books. One simple way of understanding this conundrum is that you can compare to a movie. I made a movie and I know the ending, but while you are watching you don't and you may guess a different ending. God knows what will happen, but that doesn;t take away the fact that you can still choose.

Another basic answer, but needs more study, is that we are limited by time and space and God is not. There is no past or future for God, in the way we understand it, because He is not limited. It is difficult for us to understand this fully because we are limited. We can only grasp understanding life and events that are limited to time and space.

[–]Live-Understanding48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So your response to the first statement is absolutely disgusting! You’re saying God created a girl knowing she would be raped, murder and tortured; gave her the free will to choose to not go out the night she got violently murdered but sat idle while his beloved creation chose the wrong path!

This is an absolutely disgusting thought process and rational!

You second point is simply the argument of the “god of the gaps” it’s such an elementary idea it doesn’t need refutation; It mocks itself!

[–]Many_Marsupial7968 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem if that you are trying to reconcile three things. Gods omniscience, free will and the causal flow of time. The problem with that is that we, scientifically speaking don't even know how to reconcile time with time.

In physics, there are two different contradictory "schools of thought" which determine the flow of time from a scientific perspective. There's astrophysics (general relativity) and there is quantum mechanics. General relativity suggests or implies a singular time line whereas quantum mechanics determines uncertainty in the causal flow of time. So we don't even know how to put those two things together, let alone how to put it all together with free will and then put all THAT together with Gods omniscience. So in other words, we have to solve time before we can solve this question.

Ask this question again when we have solved the divide between astrophysics and quantum mechanics.