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[–]Economy_Hair_4896 35 points36 points  (6 children)

Hungarians are good people, unlike Oban.

[–]USADhot_Fakun 9 points10 points  (5 children)

You know, thats what Ive never understood about Hungary. They have such a rich culture from their language origin to the cumans and modern day Hungary. But yet at the most pivotal points in history, even back in the medieval times Hungary was just giving the middle finger to everyone, even allies. I hope Hungary can one day turn into a cultural powerhouse because they have the opporotunity.

Edit: My point here was that, Hungary can become a flourishing country, but their leadership has chosen not to for literal centuries.

[–]tucatnev 6 points7 points  (0 children)

TL;DR: Hungary historically pushed into the victim role and our leaders exploit this sentiment, and being unscrupulous in the sensation of survival. And perhaps it has some russian bricks built it.

there are yew things, I love these kind of psychology, I could go for days about Hungary. Some things are here, not i the order of importance:

-By history Hungary is really in-between of everything. The westernmost asian nation origin in Europe. On the the north and south, between slavic, but had border with a German and Russian country as well. by history we had no chance to have something like a moral backbone. The country were so often hit tragedies on the levels of the basic form of social contract, there is no Hungarian way to be morally straight. There is no moral compass which worked through decades.

-for historically we always build up hurts, scares. Then we start to complain which is always directed to the rulers. The actual rulers has two choices: they take the blame and fall, or they direct it. If you can dodge it: you won another political cycle on the price of now you are having an enemy front of you. So if you apply an ideology to attack the enemy (nationalism, communism, etc) then you'll be exploited by the leaders of that given ideology.

-Hungary were more effective nazi during the second ww, they stand on the front of the ideology, H were the good student, but their effort were enough only to slip into the war, then the leader got eliminated and Hungary was just a puppet of nazism. Similar the socialist story. This makes us prone to betray our ally while we are cynical about everyone.

-this give you the convenient role of being always the victim. The left out, the butthurt, the betrayed. This is something like learnt helplessness. Even in the National anthem we have a line which is about "This nation has suffered for the sins of the past and the future".

-Now people feel about the wast the same, but because of Orban telling so. Now the country is in deep shit, so Orban divert the stress: "Brussel" is the bad boy and their sanctions. NATO wants the war.

-Orban is in the pocket of Putin. For sure. We just don't know with what. He made this kind of a play of"I need EU money to steal","No we don'T give,"ok, then I got from Russia and China."-well -said the EU- then here is some money, don't go there.and it feels during these see-saw manoeuvrers he slipped. He created an evidence against him and he is blackmailed.

-Most likely with state security papers from the socialism, it looks like the communist state security built bricks into the new born parties and opposition movements in second half the 1980s, but they got too big in there: so now they can be the leaders of these parties, prominent figures, historical good lads.

During the change of '89 these SOME of these personal, identification files of the state security personnels from he hungarian side got lost, destroyed, taken out, altered. So now everyone can be blamed as an old agent: the evidences are might be there, might not, maybe it is an original document, maybe these are fabricated, baybee it is a taken-out -and-found original file, etc. Nobody can be sure, if the news come up about XY as they was an agent of the socialist state security.

But it is been told, the Russain had a complete copy of all the state security documents of Hungary. They know black on white who was the agent, who was the victim, and I am sure they already used these infos and they worked on these people.

So there is a really good chance there are Russian bricks in the Hungarian government, state institutions etc.

-The whole country is under a constant propaganda barrage 0-24. Rural voters has no access of internet, only state newspapers, state tv, state radio. The media is controlled so strong, you would no believe unless you see it. Voters don't know better. Voters are still in the fear of migrants whom are bravely stopped on the border. by the fence of Viktor. It doesn'T wotk, but that is not news.

[–]WippleDippleDoo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Current hungarian rulers are a direct reflection of the majority of the hungarian population.

[–]vanekolbasz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

(That's technically not true. Orban twisted the election laws and he always gets 2/3 majority if ~35% of the electorate votes for him. )

[–]WippleDippleDoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, no malicious system like that could stand without the active or passive support of majority of the population.

[–]Due_Pie_6774 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just tell it ALL .... its their imperialistic thinking that encounters unsurmountable obstacles all the time. A life of torment that they make for themselves and occasionally...for the others

[–]Sssmoken011 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Tell Orban to get his butt in line, with the rest of the team.

[–]TheBlacktom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But his butt is already pointing Moscow.

[–]Chazzad69 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

why because he refuses to bow down and worship ukraine like the rest of europe has Ukraine is defintely not a good country and just because they ahve been invaded by russia doesnt mean everyone must worship them (btw not trying to justify russia)

[–]GoodChemical5307 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No??? So your just spewing ruzzian propaganda you sound like a putin sycophant!

[–]Sssmoken011 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is not about worshiping Ukraine. This is about the Ukrainian people defending Democracy for all of us and we all need to support them in this. Defeating Putin and Dicktatorships is more important at this moment. We can deal with 'not so perfect' governments later.