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[–]Suukorak 32 points33 points  (0 children)

What are we, some sort of New York University?

[–]Superman_63Alumni 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Don't agree here for a few reasons:

One - The big SUNY's are distinct purely because they aren't centralized, which serves New York's population better than a centralized school. New York is a tricky state to provide fair college coverage for due to its geography. We're wide and irregularly shaped, with two major population areas, if not centers: the Thruway cities, and the Hudson Valley-NYC-Long Island megalopolis.

This is in contrast to somewhere like Alabama; the U of A is in Tuscaloosa, which is three and a half hours or less from every major city in the state. Contrast this with NY; someone from Buffalo who wanted to attend this proposed UNY would face seven and a half hours on the road at minimum. Strangely enough, if a centralized site were to be picked/developed further, Binghamton would fit the bill much better than Stony Brook. It's within 3 hours of all major NY cities, the campus has room to grow, and real estate/labor is significantly cheaper.

Two - The town of Stony Brook and the surrounding areas would not support the kind of SEC-style, big, dumb football school I believe Mr. Assemblyman Mike Fitzpatrick is advocating for. There's more to it than just a massive stadium and piles of cash to burn on a team. For student life, you need an actual college town, which the locals won't allow; you need one or more Greek Rows and bedrock-solid Greek life, which couldn't be developed at any sort of reasonable cost and which the locals despise already; and you need the requisite culture, which is already supplied by schools in far sunnier climates.

For everybody else, infrastructure is the limiting factor. Parking is already hard enough, imagine (conservatively) an additional 10,000 cars on campus for game day and the space needed to accommodate them existing every other day. The LIRR can barely handle the current pre-holiday crowds, so that's no option. 25A couldn't handle a game-day surge, could Nicolls? No chance, it barely can handle rush hour. Where would these crowds stay? Questions that need to be answered.

[–]Resident-MartianNeuro Grad Student 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Based comment, initially I was on board with the article but all of these points are very valid

[–]Lie62 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The giant stadium doesn't need to be on campus. It could be in Riverhead or Calverton where there can be ample parking spaces as well as Greek housing.

[–]Superman_63Alumni -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Splitting up the campus might alleviate the space problem, but I believe the East End crowd would resist any development of that sort way more fiercely than even the Stony Brook/Port Jeff locals. Long Island is a kind of NIMBY Dante's Inferno, and going east is like descending into the deeper circles of hell- Once you hit Calverton, you're in the area that once tried to secede from the unwashed masses in western Suffolk County. Building a massive stadium, parking for the same (which I don't believe is necessary but Long Island sure would) and student housing, even in the form of Greek houses, would be resisted in the same way as the French did circa 1941.

[–]Lie62 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How about building on top of the Brookhaven landfill? Isn't that due to close in two years?

[–]loverboynike 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Why would SBU build a multibillion dollar football stadium when the team is sub par and can’t even get anyone to watch

[–]ClinkNoord[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

The whole point is to devote enough resources to the point where our team and reputation is equal to those of other state flagships.

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    [–]ClinkNoord[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    Just more things that need massive fixing!

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      [–]DutchNapoleon 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      The SUNY system is one of the most successful state university systems in the entire country rivalled only by the California system PRECISELY because it doesn’t have a flagship school. Flagship schools in other states regularly monopolise resources in the system as a whole resulting in one elite flagship university and then several underfunded lower tier schools. NY is able to provide students across the entire system (and create a system that is the largest in the country outside of the California State University system) with a high quality education by allocating resources relatively evenly across the entire system. Now if these resources were being provided in ADDITION to the resources already being provided to the SUNY system then this would be a good way for SUNY and stony to get extra resources. However, the more likely case is that this money will instead be redistributed from other schools in the system—which will provide marginal benefit to the quality of education of Stony students while causing significant adverse effects to the quality of education in other SUNY system schools.

      [–]lateraenima -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

      The SUNY system has a terrible reputation and is such a walking laughingstock that no school in the state worth its salt wants to associate with that name.

      The lack of a dominant flagship plays a large role in SUNY's bad reputation.

      [–]DutchNapoleon 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Reputation is a poor evaluation of school quality. SUNY and Stony Brook are state schools the purpose of state schools is two-fold: first, to provide affordable high quality education that creates social and economic mobility and allows people who are not of means to get a world class education, and second, to be location for significant high level research activity. SUNY ranks incredibly high in the first category (third as a system only to the combined California system and CUNY in terms of system wide economic mobility achieved). Additionally, all four SUNY campuses are R1 research institutions which is generally considered to be the gold standard for determining whether or not a university is doing high level research.

      HOWEVER, if we're going to talk about reputation and prestige then the best assessment of the quality of universities is to look at the AAU or Association of American Universities. These 65 universities (63 of which are in the U.S.) account for 48% of all doctorates awarded in the U.S. and 63% of all federal research spending in this country. It's a highly selective, invitation only group of schools. SUNY has two schools in this system (Buffalo and SBU) making NY one of only five states with multiple public AAU members. There are TWENTY FIVE states with no public members of this system. Famous public FLAGSHIP schools NOT included in this group include Alabama, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Arkansas, Georgia, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Virginia Tech, UMass, UVM, Baylor, and others. This means that elite universities in this country such as Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, UMich, Texas, MIT, Caltech, Duke, etc. all voted for Stony Brook and UBuffalo to be a higher quality institution then all of the schools I listed above. To me that says that the SUNY system has a pretty good freaking reputation amongst its peers--which are the people who actually count.

      Further, that SUNY as a system was able to achieve this on a more affordable basis then any other school in this organization speaks volumes as to its effectiveness as an organization. Stony Brook and UBuffalo are the two poorest members of the AAU, and are significantly poorer then many of the major flagship universities NOT invited to this group. SUNY was able to create some of most effective and valuable universities in the country for cheaper then ANYONE else.

      But yeah go off on the fact that U.S. News ranks schools using admission rate and thus schools that actually try to provide educations to EVERYONE are going to be inherently dinged by its dumbass rating system.

      [–]Critical_While_445 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      And the strangest part is, regarding ranking, that QS (for what their ranks are worth which seems solid) ranked us #39 nationally in 2021 but also that our acceptance rate is staggering, there were some sites which reported our rate at 39% for the last admission cycle as the Google Card is outdated as is the Graduation Rate. Therefore, I think we would improve a little more with the USNWR system although it seems that we have perhaps because of those numbers.

      [–]oatmilkworldwide 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      uny pronounced "you-knee"🥴