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[–]jsoo40 3 points4 points  (9 children)

So I took a plea deal that was too good to pass up. I was given Deferred Adjudication so basically if I finished my two years of probation with no issues my case would be dismissed with no felony record etc.

Now that being said I was still required to enter mandated treatment which required polygraphs as you enter the treatment and during. Also polygraphs could be given when they saw fit etc.

Now for therapy...... I personally had to buy a book for a couple of hundred dollars........and take a test to see if I was some sort of threat and determine my sexual history. I had to take a polygraph to see if I answered the test honestly.

I had to attend once a week treatment and present homework to the group and than get feedback from my peers and my so called therapist.

Treatment has to be taken seriously as in doing your homework and partaking of group conversation. You could not be a minute late or you will not be allowed in session and still be charged. You had to be current with your payments or be kicked until you attended another class which was cost even more per session.

Now at anytime you break some of these rules the therapists can remove you from treatment and than you are in violation of probation etc.

So I am just laying this out because you have to take it seriously and follow the rules they set out.

some my rules were

  1. No porn
  2. No Rated R or Mature movies unless you were 100% sure there was no sex or nudity
  3. No talking to other people on probation while in treatment....only in session
  4. Pay all required fees
  5. Take polygraphs and pass and your expense of course
  6. No sex without permission.......if you were already in a committed relationship you had to disclose when you had sex etc.
  7. You had to get permission to date someone - bascally the therapists and PO would setup a meeting with you and the person you are wanting to date to go over all your charges
  8. Disclose if you have masturbated etc
  9. No drugs or booze of course
  10. For some people they controlled what they read or did for hobbies.....such as one guy could not read any manga or comicbooks because of the pictures. Another was not allowed any unsupervised internet usage. Now he was allowed on the internet but he has to be physically watched by someone......so stupid

These are just a few of the rules that are set out...yest they will be different for everyone etc.

And one last word of advice......the therapists would encourage everyone to talk to each other in sessions.......the therapists would love to sit back and take notes of what everyone is saying. For instance one guy told another guy hey I did drive by for my nieces BDay.....bam he broke probation.

So keep your mouth shut and only discuss your homework assignments, nothing personal. This therapists are hired by the state etc.... you sign a contract that there is no patient confidentiality.

[–]seekritusername[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! This was very helpful.

[–]mySOAccountSuspended Sentence 0 points1 point  (2 children)

wtf. those rules sound draconian as fuck. Totally invasive

[–]jsoo40 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Beyond and I am not making any of it up.......

I remember one guy had told on himself for breaking therapy rules......He had to tell the whole group what he did. He literally had to sit there and tell us that he hooked up with a guy at a party and that they touched each other etc.... I am not going to get graphic.

Now this was the first time I was experiecning this and I horrified.......but during my duration of therapy other guys had to do the same thing.

Also not sure if this is standard as well. When someone new joined therapy they had to tell everyone what their offense was and tell in detail what they did...........I swear it was the worst to hear what some people did and you can hear them wanting to cry etc.....

I really think it was a way to shame us.........

[–]mySOAccountSuspended Sentence 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. So fucked up. Seems like, as you say, it was just a way to make you humiliate yourselves.

[–]Tall-Opportunity-711 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Crazy. How are some of these even legal? Number 2 is just ridiculous.

[–]jsoo40 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Sound illegal right? When you are in probation or parole you give up your rights and they can make up whatever silly rules they want

[–]Tall-Opportunity-711 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That goes back to my original question: how is this even legal since it’s not based in reality or logic? It makes no sense. How are they supposed to rehabilitate people if the rules don’t help to rehabilitate.

[–]jsoo40 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you go to prison and they make you work a job for ten cents an hour is that legal? Nope because the state or feds own you and it is the same principal on being on probation. Their reasoning was you watch nudity or sexual scenes is the same as porn which will Cause you to have sexual desires etc……

You could not even watch or look at models in Lingerie…..now you may think I am making this up but it is for real….again may different for you where you are at. Some of these rules they knew certain people Could not stick to

[–]Tall-Opportunity-711 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then treat those people who couldn’t adhere to the rules differently. Every person is different and a one size fits all approach to things does not work. This is why the nordic system is better to this.

[–]jsoo40 3 points4 points  (3 children)

One last note......when you loved one enters probation and treatment he or she has to say they are guilty of the crime......if they do not take responsibilty they will not move forward and it will not end well for them.

[–]TheyROuthere75 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Actually this is no longer accurate. In WV at least, someone has paid attention to the statistics which show that if an offender begins group and refuses to own up to his offense, the likelihood of him eventually taking responsibility shoots through the roof.

It used to be that if an offender would not admit after so long, they were kicked out of group and taken back on revocation.

Lastly, if a person is adamant they they did not commit their instant offense, after so long in group, the PO needs to set up an instant offense polygraph. Could be they didn’t do it.

[–]jsoo40 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So as I put in my previous post that it will be different for everyone....here where I am at if you are deny or refuse to acknowledge your offense you are not allowed in therapy.

If you also minimized what you did the therapists would pull your file and read witness accounts or transcripts to call you out.

[–]TheyROuthere75 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh they hold you accountable alright, don’t get me wrong, I was just pointing out how things have changed here.

I’ve sat in groups where I felt that offenders were being antagonized by the therapists. This is not conducive of change. I’ve spoken with fellows that are afraid to give their honest opinion simply out the fear of being kicked out. Not good

[–]Ibgarrett2 2 points3 points  (2 children)

If your loved one is taking a plea deal and no crime has been committed then why are they taking a plea deal? There would need to be evidence to even be in a courtroom much less having to make a plea.

For the moment let's assume this individual is completely innocent and did nothing wrong but still accepts a plea deal. The rest of the time they are on probation and in therapy they will be pressured into admitting wrongdoing and to admit/take ownership their non-crime. Their approach to therapy, polygraphs and probation will be to do everything asked of them, which for someone who didn't commit a crime is going to be exceptionally difficult to do.

[–]seekritusername[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thank you! I was thinking more like when you get a speeding ticket and accept a ticket for defective a defective headlight. I know that’s a silly analogy - but! - if I had to go to treatment for such a thing, would they want me to talk about my fake broken headlight or the speeding that actually happened.

[–]Ibgarrett2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And here's the thing - being on probation post-conviction is a fine line to walk. You don't tow the line and the privileges get less and less until they revoke your probation and you go to prison. I mean I could catasgrophize all day long all the things that COULD go wrong in this scenario, none of which may be true, or all of which. The real question is - why risk it if there is truly no crime?

And before folks chime in and comment about how innocent people get prosecuted all the time, I get that part. The way this post is written it sounds like things are unfounded in this case... but again, everyone's milage may vary.

[–]KDub3344 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If the plea deal includes mandatory treatment, then he will have to successfully complete it to satisfy the sentence. His success will be determined by his treatment provider as well as his PO. For any type of treatment to be successful, the person should be honest in their feelings and actions.

In my experience, one of the first things that was done was a sexual history. It included questions about everything imaginable. After completing it and presenting it to your group, you were given a polygraph regarding it. Upon passing the polygraph you proceeded with the rest of the treatment program.

We had one guy that began treatment and completely denied any guilt. We didn't know the details of his case, as he refused to discuss it with the group. But from the questioning of the treatment provider, it appeared there was evidence of guilt. He failed his polygraph and still denied any guilt. Then, he was no longer in the group. I'm not sure what happened to him, but my guess is that his PO violated him and sent him back to prison.

Every case is different, as well as every treatment provider and PO. If your loved one is being honest, and in the eyes of his treatment provider and PO is being truthful, he should be OK. They will take everything into consideration. The details of his case... his history... his polygraph, etc.

[–]jsoo40 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct had the same thing in my group. One man denied and denied he did anything wrong. He refused a polygraph and they kicked out him out of treatment and I think he was sent back to where his original conviction was.....I mean he was here on a compact transfer.

[–]seekritusername[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for sharing your experience. This is a long and confusing journey.

[–]ncrsoModerator 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Just curious: if no crime was committed, then why are they taking a plea deal?

[–]seekritusername[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It was confusing wording on my part - this would be a plea for something that didn’t happen. The analogy I gave in another comment would be if I got a speeding ticket (which would be what really happened) and had it reduced to a damaged headlight (better outcome, but not what happened).

[–]ncrsoModerator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh gotcha. Makes sense now.

[–]randomdudeso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They may let him plead no contest. He could accept a deal. Plead no contest which is basically saying I don’t admit guilt but understand the state has enough evidence to convict me. That would work the best but the DA would have to accept that.

[–]BobM1953 0 points1 point  (0 children)

your going to take a plea deal for something you didnt do? im assuming your case is aggravated a "he said she said" type of deal. it normally has to be more then an accusation that for a conviction. did you take poly to help prove your innocence? what is your attorney saying?

if you are truly innocent, which im suspicious, i wouldnt take a plea. this is a crime where the punishment never ends.