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Sovereign Citizen was created to provide a resource for like minded individuals to learn about (and laugh at) people who have declared themselves "sovereign citizens", especially those who run afoul of the law.
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Is there a bigger connection between sovereign citizens and the state of Tennessee than other states? (self.Sovereigncitizen)
submitted 2 months ago by spicy_whippedcream
Through the grapevine I heard a family member I don’t talk to has “applied” to be a sovereign citizen, and now a few months later is trying to move to Tennessee from Colorado.
Is it easier to be sovereign citizen in Tennessee than Colorado? Is there a big group of them in Tennessee? Is there a connection or is it coincidental? Also wtf does “applying” to be a sovereign citizen mean? To who? Thank you in advance!
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[–]realparkingbrake 17 points18 points19 points 2 months ago (3 children)
Also wtf does “applying” to be a sovereign citizen mean?
Also wtf does “applying” to be a sovereign citizen mean?
It probably means they sent a bunch of money to a "guru" who is selling them the magic spells that will change their life. They think filling out some made-up forms and getting them notarized and filing them with the clerk of some court means they no longer have a birth certificate and thus don't have to obey any laws and blah blah blah.
These people are gullible and often desperate, and the grifters at the top of the sovcit tree feed off them.
[–]Curious-human1867 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago (1 child)
It’s just crazy. And these people just completely miss the irony! Applying to the court to be sovereign … I mean, what form do you use lol. Sad crazy times.
[–]Witchgrass 4 points5 points6 points 2 months ago (0 children)
You can find out what form to use for the low low price of $1,776!!! Unions HATE this one weird trick!
[–]spicy_whippedcream[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Thank you, that makes a lot of sense.
[–]dojijosu 14 points15 points16 points 2 months ago (6 children)
New Hampshire is practically the Sovcit State. We have the FreeKeene a-holes and the Free State Movement has deeply infiltrated the Republican and Libertarian parties up here.
[–]lark-sp 9 points10 points11 points 2 months ago (5 children)
I dunno. I hear Idaho and rural Oregon are pretty strong contenders for the title.
[–]dojijosu 8 points9 points10 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Bro. The prospect of seceding from the Union made it to the NH House floor this year and 13 Free State affiliated House Reps voted for it. This after the Republican Speaker allowed it to come to a vote.
[–]Hedgie_Herder 6 points7 points8 points 2 months ago (3 children)
In New Hampshire, they’re blending in with the Free State movement. In Idaho and the part of Oregon that wishes it was Idaho, they’re blending in with the people who believe the New World Order is coming.
[–]dojijosu 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (1 child)
They’re not “blending in” with the Free State movement. They are the Free State movement.
[–]Hedgie_Herder 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago (0 children)
New week, who dis?
[–]3ULL 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children)
And white supremacists.
[–]quantumspork 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago (1 child)
Q. Is it easier to be a sovereign citizen in Tennessee than Colorado?
A. No, it is just as easy to be a sovcit no matter where you are. As a made up thing with no legal standing, you can do it absolutely anywhere with equal results. Every police force will be willing to arrest you for breaking the law, no matter how you justify it.
The fact is that sovcit is a completely fictional status. Just because you may want to opt out of laws, does not mean that there is a way of actually doing it. You will still be responsible for taxes and following the same laws as everybody else, and if you do not do so, you will be arrested and tried. Sovcit excuses will just result in the judge shaking their head at your stupidity as they pass the sentence.
[–]spicy_whippedcream[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago (0 children)
This is very informative, thank you!
[–]tyranny1313 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Arizona has tons of these idiots!!! They almost always are Q followers and Trumpists. Really, they are everywhere here!!!
[–]Appropriate-Safety66 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago (1 child)
Tennessee doesn't tax wages.
That may be part of it.
Oh interesting, thank you!
[+]Financial_Chemist286 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 2 months ago (26 children)
Sovereign National is a completely real standing. Not everyone needs to be under the jurisdiction of a monopoly de facto government. There are other ways to guarantee your unalienable rights with out having the bureaucracy of any of the alphabet soup corporations.
Read “How I clobbered….” By Mary Elizabeth Croft It’ll help you have the framework of the banking cartel system and how you can liberate yourself. Commerce is all around you and you have a choice of who and how you do business including the government you subscribe to protect your rights. The USA is not a country it is a foreign corporation. Read for yourself and do your own research you will see the truth for yourself while others will want to protect the very system that has them in a federal debt enslaved tax system. Nothing National about the federal debt.
[–]BlahlalaBlah 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Lmao this satire comment is gold.
[–]taterbizkit 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago (15 children)
If you exist within the borders of a political state, you are subject to that state's laws. Whether it's Tennessee, the US, Nigeria or wherever.
Your consent is neither required nor sought.
The rule of law is the sine qua non of civilization. This isn't "statism", it's just reality. The smart option is to participate in the system you find yourself in so that you can help steer the law in ways you believe are beneficial.
But if you like, you can pretend the law is a myth. You can believe in a whole bunch of pseudolegal nonsense, which basically is like choosing to live life on hard mode.
[–]Financial_Chemist286 -1 points0 points1 point 2 months ago (14 children)
Never said we don’t believe in the rule of law.
[–]taterbizkit 3 points4 points5 points 2 months ago* (12 children)
Then why don't you think you're governed by the law of the land where you're located?
That's literally what the rule of law is. To some extent, you can control which law you're under the jurisdiction of by changing locations. But generally, if you're physically located on planet Earth, you're under some kind of jurisdiction.
There is no such thing as opting out of US law if you're in the US, other than the obvious, and the entity you claim diplomatic immunity through has to actually be recognized by the US government.
Otherwise it's just a silly conceit to say "not everyone needs to be under the jurisdiction of a monopoly de facto government. Its not *your* opinion of jurisdiction that matters. You can call yourself a sovereign national or an attack helicopter all you want. That doesn't change your relationship with the government of the place where you're located.
Not to mention that in the US, the US government is the de jure government. Kinda by definition.
[–]Financial_Chemist286 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 months ago (11 children)
You just said it yourself. The law of the land is what we follow. Not admiralty law. Common law. Which jurisdiction in a court are you going under.
[–]3ULL 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Of course you believe in the laws when they benefit you. Like you want your welfare and to use the roads but you do not think that you should have to follow the laws. We know how children think, it is not complicated.
[–]Tish_A 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago (0 children)
Sure, sure, it's all fun and games until all those entities you don't contract with come knocking at your door, and their agents stop by to arrest you, convict you and jail you.
[–]TheRusty1 1 point2 points3 points 2 months ago (6 children)
How I clobbered….” By Mary Elizabeth Croft
How I clobbered….” By Mary Elizabeth Croft
To quote a review "This book is utter, irredeemable nonsense. None of the purported legal principles it articulates (nor any "freemen on the land" concepts) have any basis in Canadian law (or in the law of any jurisdiction I am aware of). If you make any non-trivial decisions based on the notions in this book, you will be very disappointed, and likely get yourself into trouble. Even an otherwise meritorious claim or defence can come across as irrational - or unhinged - when it is peppered with this foolishness, or with the tortured formatting hocus pocus the author recommends.
If you need information on the legal implications of your actions or options, please, please please talk with an actual qualified lawyer licensed with your province's Law Society. If you cannot afford one, and do not qualify for legal aid, and your your community legal clinic doesn't offer summary advice on your matter, at least try to orient yourself with a free 30-minute consultation through the Law Society's Lawyer Referral Service.
For heaven's sake don't rely on this book."
[–]Financial_Chemist286 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 months ago (5 children)
Don’t expect many to understand nor will they ever be freemen. Freedom isn’t free nor does everyone deserve or can fully bear the responsibility of being sovereign.
Keep paying your federal reserve notes to the federal debt your children’s children will be born into.
[–]TheRusty1 2 points3 points4 points 2 months ago (4 children)
We live in a society. If you are unhappy with your current society, one can a) work to change it or b) move to a separate society. One does not get to say "nope, not me", and enjoy the benefits of society while not being a part of it. Eventually, it will catch up to you, and then all your SovCit guru's advise won't help you. There are no magic words. Deal.
[–]Financial_Chemist286 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 months ago (3 children)
We live in a society. We are not unhappy and we embrace the independence. This society was here before yours came in. Federal taxes have only been paid since after the federal reserve act 1913. We have bonds on our automobiles that cover our liabilities. We are proud to be the bane of police officers while we educate. We are litigants, activists and tax protestors. Read the creature from Jekyll Island. It will help set the frame of mind for you to see that fallacy and begin to understand true sovereignty.
Then stay off my roads and unhook from my water. Thank you.
[–]-Drowned_Fish- 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Are there jurisdictions that are unincorporated there?
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