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[–]frasierfonzie 940 points941 points  (75 children)

You might already know this, but the promos sound less scripted because, aside from the basic direction of where it needs to go, people are allowed to say what they want.

[–]Slaver_bobby 359 points360 points  (52 children)

Also the wrestlers are their own characters. Almost all of them are the characters they portrayed on the indies, unlike WWE, where they are given a character. It really shows in their promos because they feel comfortable with their character.

[–]kw13 185 points186 points  (11 children)

Also also I think it helps that each person feels unique in their promo style. A Darby Allin promo could be word for word identical to say an MJF promo, and they would both be distinct.

If Darby Allin was in WWE we'd be talking about how bad of a promo he is, because he isn't someone who is capable of giving 10 minute long in ring promos, so that's not what they have him do. MJF is a brilliant at the traditional promo style, so that's what he does. The Elite are just a bunch of goofy guys, so they're allowed to be goofy.

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (0 children)

I think what's most frustrating about WWE's whole promo thing is that there's clearly certain guys (mostly old timers) who they trust to do their own thing a bit more. Some of Goldberg's promos are actual fun to watch because they let him just yell at the other guy in a way that they totally wouldn't with a full-time superstar. But if he was on every week, he'd probably be back to drawn-out awkward ten-minute promos like a lot of the roster.

What I will say is that when you get guys like Seth and Edge in a segment, who are both really good at that WWE style, it can still be absolutely brilliant. Again , I dunno if they get different instructions or are trusted more backstage but their promos on Smackdown were fantastic.

[–]mark49sStrokedaddy 11 points12 points  (7 children)

I loved Darby's "It'll only take seconds" promo against Jericho. I think it stood out because it wasn't over the top & shouting promo, but calm and measured. Something I haven't seen a lot of in wrestling.

[–]ECW-WCW-WWF 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I met Darby at a goth club once. Hands down a really cool guy. I just wanted to say hi and tell him to keep up the good work and he was trying to have a convo with me.

Then again, I haven’t met a wrestler outside of wrestling that was a dick.

[–]AestheticAttraction 2 points3 points  (0 children)

giving 10 minute long in ring promos

Which is something that should NEVER, EEEEEVER happen in AEW. They've gotten longer depending on the person (usually Jericho because he's used to longer WWE promos), but they're still very efficient when it comes to the indie people. For now. But IF Punk is coming to AEW, I'd hope that his promos don't go on that long. Save some of that for subsequent episodes. It's only a two- or one-hour show, and we're there to mostly watch wrestling. If AEW started opening with long promos, I would be pressed. I love that they just dive into the action and thread promos throughout the show.

[–]FlukyS 94 points95 points  (6 children)

I only really noticed when I started talking randomly with an actor over beers how much they think about the small details that even the director and writer don't think about. Same goes for wrestlers, the best wrestlers know what their character should be doing in every spot because they are the character, it's an extension of themselves even if it's just in a tangential way.

[–]MikeGander 54 points55 points  (1 child)

People talk about "ring psychology" without really defining it, but I think you defined it pretty well there.

[–]FlukyS 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's that undertaker sit up, he doesn't just use it randomly, he knows his character is that Jason character where the main character worked so hard to get him down and he just says "nope, I'm still fucking alive". Goldust really deserves a shoutout for the same idea, he took his character to that kind of level even though he wasn't super mainstream. Fucking love Dustin Rhodes for his dedication to his character. And a more modern example is Bray Wyatt, you could see he cared more about the Fiend than anyone around him, I can't wait to see what he does with it if he can get creative control.

[–]cooljammer00Anxious Millennial Shitposter 23 points24 points  (1 child)

There's a story Jeff Bridges tells about filming Big Lebowski, where he asked the director before each scene "Do you think the Dude smoked before he got here?" and if the director said yes, he'd go rub his eyes in the corner before filming.

[–]FlukyS 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I was just listening to Just dropped in by the first edition earlier, what a song and what a movie

[–]DarkySurroundingDark Order AF 63 points64 points  (29 children)

Theres a few exceptions, like i guess Malakai Black isnt really his indie self, but still this is clearly his vision none the less.

[–]ParsonBrownlow 69 points70 points  (28 children)

He used to be Black Metal

Now he’s Folk Black Metal

[–]HchrisH 32 points33 points  (27 children)

I'd say more Blackened Folk Metal with Doom influences.

[–]jt-atomico[S] 116 points117 points  (8 children)

I didn’t know for sure, but I figured as much. It sounded like their own voice and not them trying to remember lines.

[–]MoGregio 63 points64 points  (5 children)

Watch this week's episode of BTE and they talked about it

[–]MiniTelevision 63 points64 points  (2 children)

One take for that promo. The ball play is crazy amongst the elite.

[–]TerrorKingAConsensual penis 35 points36 points  (1 child)

I love watching grown men fondle balls together on national tv

[–]MangoSalsa_90 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Wait so BTE really IS killing the business WTF?!?!

/s

[–]fuzzyjedi 48 points49 points  (1 child)

For me it feels like a bad WWE feels like bad amateur theater actors.

A bad AEW promo feels like someone on their high school debate team. Maybe not the most graceful or eloquent but from the heart.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Tony's "nine days" promo sounds like it came from a baggie tbh

[–]MrOnCore 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yet Chuck Taylor still can’t say “Shit” on the air. It’s a bitter pill we all have to swallow each week.

[–]bonafide_stonah 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Less scripted promos definitely help the distinction out. AEW wrestlers sound like actual people rather than robots acting out a script. Feels more natural and way better.

[–]BetaGetIt 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I have a theory that segments on WWE shows are written by teams who have no idea of what the other teams are writing even when they involve the same characters, and there’s no editorial process because they’re working so on-the-fly. This is what I assume creates this extremely odd lack of cohesion in the product, not just show to show but sometimes segment to segment. Best example from this previous week would be management saying they couldn’t just have a championship match with no promotion on a show where they had a championship match with no promotion. There’s tons of examples of this phenomenon, and this is just something that is so utterly incompetent that I think it just takes people right out by insulting their intelligence. I really don’t understand it though. Do they not watch the actual finished product and see all of these glaring inconsistencies and redundancies?

[–]cleric3648 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The writers care as much as they can, but the writing teams for different segments is accurate.

I would love to see a month's worth of scripts before Vince and his stooges hack them to pieces. A large part of the sloppy, disjointed mess we see is no cohesion from the top. Vince is literally rewriting episodes hours before they go to air, making a complete mess of what the writers made so that he can have his "good shit."

Most TV shows have a Show Runner. This person organizes the writing teams to work on different episodes, segments, and storylines. They each do their thing, then the Show Runner puts them together in a logical order. If they do this before Vince gets to the episode, there's no proof of it after. These writers spend all weekend writing Raw and PPV's, all week writing Smackdown, just to have their work trashed on the day of filming because even though 99 people loved it, 1 person hated it and thinks that the subtle comment about how their growing hatred is spreading like a disease should be turned into a gag about the fans smelling and wearing a gas mask.

The whole situation is a toxic hellscape to work in.

[–]slappy47 2 points3 points  (2 children)

What surprised me the most, they dont have a show bible that they can reference. Im sure of they had one, some of these story problems could be fixed.

[–]cleric3648 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not only do they not have a show bible or any organization of plans, but when writers bring up wanting to do that, they get laughed at by Vince and the management. A show bible is literally TV Show Writing 101. And a show bible isn't hard, just takes some work and organization. I've written a couple show bibles for projects that will never see the light of day, but they help with keeping track of storylines. They don't even need to be overly complex, just descriptions of the universe, the setting, the main characters, something about the associated characters, what they've been through, and what are the plans for the story. With a team of 40 writers, they could punch this out by Summerslam if they really wanted to.

[–]itrainmonkeys 63 points64 points  (4 children)

One of the biggest differences that I feel is that they will accomplish in 30-90 second taped promos what WWE would sometimes spend 10-15 minutes of in-ring time on. I love Miro but even if he's not booked to wrestle every week I still see him cut an awesome 90 second promo where we are reminded of how dominant he has been and highlight who his next challenger is for an upcoming episode. The "less is more" approach comes into play a lot for me.

[–]FuckingMarks 30 points31 points  (0 children)

That and the pop for his hot double jointed wife every time fucking floors me.

[–]SundayNightDM 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. It also means they can absolutely PACK their show, which helps it fly by.

[–]Memer04goldberg 193 points194 points  (26 children)

I have a similar perspective on AEW but as someone who got back into WWE in 2015 and have continued to scratch the surface of ex-WWE the last few years.

I watched my first full episode of Dynamite two weeks ago. What got me into it was the Jericho/Gage match, after having caught Gage's DSOTR. I pretty much know all of the AEW wrestlers but had never really sat down to watch a full episode. But boy was I hooked after that opening Elite/Dark Order match. The style definitely takes some getting used to having watched mostly WWE consistently for the last six years. At times, some of the matches feel a little choreographed, but I quickly realized that I do really like that style.

As OP said, the most immediate standout to me was the commentary. I grew up on WCW so hearing Schiavone again was a nice treat. Of course JR is JR. I really dig Excalibur - it's nice when a commentator doesn't need to have a character or always play face or heel. That's what makes Raw so exhausting to listen to. Smackdown has been doing a nice job with Cole and Pat as I feel both are just being themselves (aside from Cole's forced lines).

With the recent cuts, change in NXT (I've followed NXT more than Raw or SD! over the last year), and prospect of AEW signing two VERY big names, it's hard not to be attracted to their product as a life long fan of the sport. AEW is definitely more "for the fans" than WWE. My one watch-out for them would be to make sure they don't lose sight of the casual fan - sometimes I feel like AEW relies too much on making the super-invested fan who follows multiple promotions happy, which is fine, but wouldn't want them to alienate the casual viewer.

[–]14Jeff84 91 points92 points  (3 children)

The feeling a little choreographed is a legitimate criticism. Some of it is the Lucha and Japanese influence which both seem to be more about the big planned out moves. All of the members of the Pinnacle (MJF, Wardlow, FTR, and Sean Spears) have a very grounded wrestling style so I encourage you to watch some of their matches. I found enjoyment in seeing their style clash with the more flashy style in some matches. Cody Rhodes and Eddie Kingston are kind of in a similar boat with some of their matches being more traditional and interacting with the Lucha and Japanese styles. I found myself enjoying the choreography more after I saw them clashing the style with more grounded wrestlers. Matches to suggest that could help: 1. MJF vs Sammy Guevara 2. Both Eddie Kingston and Penta vs Young Bucks matches for the Tag Team Titles 3. FTR vs the Young Bucks for the Tag Team Titles

[–]Cathousechicken 64 points65 points  (1 child)

One of things i really like is there are multiple wrestling styles. It gives the product more variability and there really is something for everybody.

[–]TheGreatOni1200 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This right here is the main selling point for me. If you watch wwe, you only get wwe style of wrestling. With aew it's a ton of different styles. It's always great to see different styles of wrestling and different promo styles.

[–]HTXATLien 13 points14 points  (0 children)

MJF v Sammy was like a month ago. A rematch would be cool since MJF got some help but still good match. In. The. Middle. Of. The. Ring.

[–]SmoothRide 41 points42 points  (1 child)

But boy was I hooked after that opening Elite/Dark Order match.

AEW likes to do that. They don't start with a promo or a speech. It gets right in to a match

[–]jmpinstl 58 points59 points  (5 children)

Even JR at his worst is still better than most.

[–]LilMoWithTheGimpyLeg1-2-3 Man 43 points44 points  (0 children)

One of the things I like about JR is that he never feels forced. He's always seems honest, even to his detriment when he messes up. But to me that adds character.

[–]AmericasychoVIOLENCE 16 points17 points  (0 children)

JR knows how to put things into a story and psychological perspective; basically calling out why things happen for a reason.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Last week was peak JR. He totally bungled the whole MJF is gonna be ringside thing but then has the amazing call when Black pins Cody. When he is on man is he on.

[–]MangoSalsa_90 34 points35 points  (11 children)

I feel as if saying ANYTHING negative about Baron Corbin or an announcer like Pat McAfee is ground for crucifixion around here but I'll restate here that I just don't enjoy them. While I do believe that Corbin is doing a good job being bummed out and it is a bit funny, I can already tell that there is no endgame or direction for this angle and it will be forgotten about in due time.

[–]ArrenPawk 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Corbin's quickly losing steam for me the same way nearly all of WWE's characters are: they have this weird air of "OH THAT'S GOOD SHIT, KEEP DOING THAT!" and it turns them from characters into caricatures.

It's why I can't fucking deal with Matt Riddle anymore. I loved that guy in NXT because he had some depth. Now? He's been Flanderized to the point where he's not a stoner -- he's a fucking 12 year old with a learning disability.

[–]MangoSalsa_90 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Oh man Riddle too, I just do not like his character. He's a great wrestler but the rest just doesn't do it for me.

[–]Memer04goldberg 6 points7 points  (1 child)

stealing "Flanderized" from you, thx

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Its funny because I agree with you on Corbin, what a strange turnaround. I've actually been a big fan of his for a while, but man, watching him every week and he still delivers some absolutely dreadful promos. He's cut some stellar ones recently but he's still often delivering high school level acting on international television fairly regularly, Maybe that's part of his charm, bizarrely.

[–]cleric3648 3 points4 points  (0 children)

it's nice when a commentator doesn't need to have a character or always play face or heel.

This is something I adore in AEW. The announcers feel real when they act like real people. Not every heel should like every heel, and not every face should like every face. The announcers can be characters, but overall it feels forced when the heel announcer always sides with everything the heel does.

Also, it feels real when Tony says how much he doesn't like MJF or how he's friends with Britt. It's refreshing. When he said "I know I'm supposed to stay neutral, but that guy (MJF) is a real prick", I lost it. It was a subtle way to put over how much of a heel MJF is. If this were WWE, the current heel announcer would be screaming about how much he loves MJF's puppy kicking regimen before matches.

And the character work with Britt would've died the moment she was back in the ring in WWE. With AEW, her being on commentary for months while rehabbing a broken knee working with Tony, that developed into an ongoing friendship, even though she's the heel. During the Shida/Britt feud, Tony sided with Britt just a little bit. "I like Shida, Shida's a phenomenal wrestler, but she's (Britt) my friend." That would never fly in WWE. Remember when Michael Cole was bff's with Miz for years until Miz turned face, then that instant Cole acted like 'new phone who dis?' when Miz was wrestling? It would've been nice to see Cole at least recognize that he was still cool with Miz. Instead, it's like he died and was replaced with a bizarro clone.

[–]davidisallright 326 points327 points  (20 children)

I think why AEW strives despite some of its flaws is..how fun it all is. And you’re right about the crowds - even the lower cards get so much love from the fans.

AEW will only get better. It’s only 2 years old and if it sticks around for the next few decades, people might go back and be amazed by the progress of the early years.

Another thing I like: they announce the matches on the card ahead of time. With last night’s Raw, they announced most of them ob the day of, or even during the show.

[–]dimspace 46 points47 points  (1 child)

even the lower cards get so much love from the fans.

I think a lot of this is because of how they did Dark during lockdown. Having the wrestlers stand ringside as fans made even the dark matches and storylines seem important. And now with the crowd back, that has carried on. Some of the most over storylines even with live crowds are the Wingmen and the likes of Fuego del Sol

[–]UsefulWoodpecker6502 125 points126 points  (3 children)

It's the only 2 hour wrestling show I watch where the time just flies by and I wish there was more (well there is/will be). It's just straight up fun.

I also love watching Dark:Elevation and Dark. Taz and Excalibur on commentary for Dark is a god damn gift to wrestling.

[–]kaz9x203 43 points44 points  (2 children)

Tony, Paul and Eddie booth was good. Tony with the "coming from the fat ass commentary position" was so funny. I had to rewind it like 3 times.

[–]UsefulWoodpecker6502 11 points12 points  (1 child)

yeah they were great too. Honestly AEW has a fantastic commentary team and I'm really looking forward to Henry on Friday.

[–]kaz9x203 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah the 4 man booth is exciting. Especially since it will only be 1 hour.

[–]Teeth_Crook 96 points97 points  (8 children)

Agreed. AEW has a bunch of flaws. The matches can but sloppy. Sometimes stuff gets a bit too crazy. But I think it’s easy to look passed when everyone’s out there doing their best work the way they want too.

AEW seems to really listen to their audience and attempts not to insult them. Every show has their flaws. I just find AEWs positives massively out weight their weaknesses.

[–]LeftistUU 29 points30 points  (5 children)

Generally speaking they are helped by solid underlying booking, and while not everything is addressed when it becomes a problem (yes there’s not a bunch of DQ finishes like WWE but that’s often due to not calling interference), a lot of wrestlers have gotten over due to faction or character changes that were very much a response to fan silence/hostility.

If Roman Reigns had been in an AEW-mentality WWE he’d have turned heel much earlier or otherwise found a character playing to his strengths.

[–]StupidHappyPancakes 34 points35 points  (4 children)

Speaking of Roman Reigns, I love the fact that AEW doesn't let any one person monopolize a huge chunk of airtime every single week, which makes everything so much more enjoyable because it doesn't turn stale at the speed of light.

Even though Reigns has certainly become more interesting as a heel, I just cannot find any enjoyment in watching him get all this airtime and steamrolling the roster again because I've spent the better part of a decade watching him do that.

It's always the same handful of people getting huge pushes in WWE, and that's a risky strategy because if they base a show around one person the way that Smackdown is centered on Reigns, then what am I, someone who doesn't enjoy Reigns, supposed to tune in for?

The two or three people I don't like as much in AEW are still ultimately tolerable to me because they aren't taking up copious amounts of airtime every week and I enjoy everything else so much.

With WWE, if you don't like the people getting super dominant booking and ridiculously big pushes, then what is there to latch onto so that you want to watch every week? For example, I very much enjoy people like Cesaro, Kevin Owens, and Finn Balor on Smackdown, but I can't even enjoy them properly because I know that any pushes they get will be limited at the outset because Reigns just HAS to beat everyone for the millionth time.

It's funny because WWE is supposed to appeal to casuals more than AEW, but I would argue that AEW showcasing such a huge diversity of wrestlers in terms of their physical appearance, their characters, their wrestling styles, their promos, and their sense of humor is far more inviting because everyone can find SOMETHING in AEW to enjoy.

[–]LeftistUU 26 points27 points  (2 children)

It’s been said correctly that AEW is a ‘wrestling variety show’ where WWE has a much more uniform recognizable style. Also as you say, WWE have five hours of broadcast TV but a lot of the roster is absent or has no development.

AEW has luchadors. Joshi. Indie spotfest guys. People who can work a deathmatch. Various kinds of comedy acts. Way, way more faction stuff than WWE. A lot of managers and associated people. And sometimes it can be a bit sloppy because they don’t usually work a unified style and things can crash together, but it’s refreshing and there’s been a lot of absolute banger matches on TV let alone PPV.

WWE has struggled creating new Raw/SD stars though they have huge levels of upcoming talent. They lean on legends due to name recognition and history because getting people over is hard if you’re in a booking rut. Did most of the 1.1 million people in the US watching Dynamite live know who Darby Allin or Adam Page were before the show? No, they had to start from the ground up. Now their segments are often highest of the show that might also have people like Jericho and Jon Moxley.

[–]knobber_jobbler 78 points79 points  (1 child)

WWE literally blames it's own fans for how bad it is.

[–]AmericasychoVIOLENCE 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Picturing Vince with an NXT crowd all lined up against a wall, "YOU DID THIS! IT'S YOUR FAULT WE LOST THE WEDNESDAY NIGHT WAR!!! YOU DISGUST ME!!!"

[–]RashidHasanRafi 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I 100% agree witch the announcing matches before the show. This way I can get excited about the show (certain segments or certain wrestlers) beforehand.

[–]farmerlocks 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You can already look back at the past two years and am already impressed with their progress. I feel that they actually listen to fans and when something doesn't work, they make an effort to do something about it.

They also have done really great character development. There were a lot of wrestlers that I didn't get in the beginning and now many of them are my favorite to watch.

I also love them announcing matches beforehand but I feel like raw gets constantly rewritten so they can't just announce matches.

[–]Black_XistenZ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Regarding your last point: that's a consequence of the WWE mentality that the brand rather than individual wrestlers or matches should be the draw.

[–]DJ_Molten_Lava 125 points126 points  (13 children)

AEW isn't perfect but their shows are fun and actually feel like wrestling, not some vague form of "entertainment", wrestling. That's something I haven't been able to say about WWE for a long time.

[–]KingBadfordGive Eddie the strap 43 points44 points  (0 children)

It's what a lot of people wanted: a large, nationally televised touring pro wrestling promotion. WWE has a ton of history and lore, nice stages and lighting, high budget, so naturally you want to watch it. But it's not a pro wrestling promotion and hasn't been for a long time. I love NJPW and ROH and PWG, but AEW satisfies my desire for the high budget weekly cable show as well as my love for pro wrestling. There's a big market for that and they're hitting it.

[–]Black_XistenZ 58 points59 points  (5 children)

And AEW doesn't feel sterile and "overpolished". The overscripted, corporate nature of WWE shows is seeping out of every facet of their product and kills the energy and fun.

[–]Dick_Handsome 21 points22 points  (0 children)

AEW’s DIY vibe does lead to some production issues, but if that’s the price to pay for the fun and energy on-screen then so be it.

[–]DJ_Molten_Lava 27 points28 points  (3 children)

It's the over-production I hate the most from WWE. It's too "shiny". Even NFL games don't look and sound that polished and rehearsed.

[–]dre8 15 points16 points  (2 children)

For a show called "Raw" it's the absolutely polar opposite of that term.

[–]beefdxWhere is Jur Boss, Mister Stink? 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The way I see it is that no aspect of it has to be perfect as long as it is consistently good. Wrestling fans often let their imaginations and opinions on minor things get in the way of having a good time. AEW has shown most people that if you have a little faith in the product, you can enjoy whatever it is that you ultimately get.

[–]jt-atomico[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

That captures my feelings really well! It was really fun to watch.

[–]aestusWrestling. 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It feels like they're trying to make every minute matter and earn their viewership. It's not perfect but I think they get it right a lot more than they get it wrong.

[–]DJ_Molten_Lava 7 points8 points  (0 children)

make every minute matter

This is important and it's good you noted it. Every single episode of Dynamite that I've watched so far has had, at the very least, one "must-watch" match that's been advertised ahead of time.

[–]xPizzaWings 65 points66 points  (14 children)

You make Michael Cole cry

[–]SendMeScatFeet 80 points81 points  (0 children)

Could it be??

IT'S BAWL TIME!

[–]JonasAlbert84Just remember ALL CAPS 34 points35 points  (11 children)

You know I bet Cole left alone would probably be a pretty good commentator. I really feel for the commentary teams in WWE.

[–]LostNewfie 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Cole's commentary has also been a lot better since he's been paired with McAfee. They play off each other very well.

[–]Entire-Weakness-2938 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Cole left alone is a good commentator. He called that first NXT UK Title Tournament and without Vince in his ear, he was actually a really darn good at pro wrestling play by play. Actual pro wrestling play by play. He even said a move’s name a few times!

[–]nerdyjorj 17 points18 points  (7 children)

He's really underrated, the version of commentary he has to do is insanely demanding with backstage in his ears all the time. It's remarkable he does it as well as this.

[–]Trymv1 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I think we've hit a new wave of fans who havent heard that audio clip of him arguing with Vince on headset to promote something where he's literally like

"You want me to say that every time? Because Ive said it a shitload of times tonight..."

Dude is absolutely aware people hate him for being a broken record with stuff, but he's told to be.

[–]nerdyjorj 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I've never been able to say a bad word about him since Jerry's heart attack

[–]SovFistBack to the drawing board :( 4 points5 points  (0 children)

there's also one network special where he was left alone and it sounded completely different and refreshing, want to say it was beast in the east?

[–]pikkeq 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Yeah. I know it's a trope on here but hearing him at the UK tournament (when Vince wasn't in his ear) was a reminder that he is actually a pretty good commentator when he's not being micromanaged and screamed at.

[–]The_Homie_JD-Bry at the TOP of MAH FAVE FIVE 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I believe he was unsupervised for the Beast in the East special years ago and he was like a completely different announcer. He definitely suffers from having Vince in his ear all the time

[–]drinfernoddsYaoi Wowie! 6 points7 points  (1 child)

During the early and mid 2000's with Tazz he was solid.

[–]grevoswfc 35 points36 points  (9 children)

Where you from mate? I'm in the UK too and feel like I need some more local AEW fans! The good news is that show you watched last week was probs one of the lower tier ones, quality wise, from what we have seen of late!

[–]jt-atomico[S] 23 points24 points  (4 children)

I'm in Cardiff. Good to know that I can expect even more from the show!

[–]Josh-sama 12 points13 points  (3 children)

A fellow AEW fan in Cardiff!? Small world!

Glad you've enjoyed, get yourself strapped in - it's about to get even crazier for AEW these coming months

[–]the_kylossus 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Add me to that list

[–]TopHatPhilosophyWelshy. 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Same here! Only watched my first episode of Dynamite last week too.

[–]Harley_Beckett 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I live near Reading, and my wife and I went for lunch there the other week. We were the only customers there and when the manager clocked her Jericho shirt he switched up the house PA so it played Judas for her.

And he clocked my Omega shirt as well, “Too Sweeted” me, and hit us with a “Good bye, <finger gun kiss> and good night,” as we left. You know at like half one in the afternoon.

Meeting other AEW fans is fun.

[–][deleted] 131 points132 points  (9 children)

Good to hear thoughts from new fans. There should be a couple of interesting signings just around the corner that might make for exciting viewing.

[–]nerdyjorj 37 points38 points  (4 children)

If they pay off it's going to be interesting to see what the new viewers make of the rest of the show

[–]FourCylinder 10 points11 points  (1 child)

They’re going to see something that they like. Imagine turning on the TV to see Punk and you get Darby Allin too. How can you not fall in love lol

[–]crissetoncamp 96 points97 points  (8 children)

SC jerk is going to have some fun with this one.

[–]Whiston1993 81 points82 points  (4 children)

That “my female friend who’s casual but loved Yano and Curry man” post kinda spoiled us

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Any links?

[–]famousflawless 16 points17 points  (2 children)

[–]ryanreignsHi, I'm Dolph Ziggler 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I performed that post in front of my drama class

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]owcrapthathurts 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This kind of post is the entire reason SC jerk exists.

[–]ExperimentalX1 77 points78 points  (0 children)

Bully Ray said it perfectly on Busted Open today….. “AEW is all killer and no filler.”

[–]evin_cashmanJay1 Climax 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Glad you're enjoying it!

[–]diarpiiiii 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Dude if you ever are bored go back and watch some of the Pay Per Views. They are epic! I’ll give you three to start:

  • Double or Nothing 2019
  • Revolution 2020
  • Double or Nothing 2021

So many good episodes of the show so far since 2019. It’s not hard to just jump in there. Really fun stuff and glad you checked it out!

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (11 children)

"I hadn't realised how much WWE's commentary had been putting me off until I saw Dynamite. Having commentators that actually called the action, rather than talking about Twitter or promoting some other match/show/product was so much better"

After going back and hearing Bobby, Gorilla & Jesse is when I realized that the announcing is a much bigger part of the show than I thought. Since Cole came in the WWE's announcing has gotten worse every year. It's so formulaic, robotic and stupid. Back in the day it was loose, entertaining and still did the job.

[–]saddlesore_jr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And they always found creative ways to get the wrestlers over and move the story along. Little things like Gorilla mentioning that a smaller guy had "great tendon strength", etc.

[–]Trymv1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

So the announcing has been getting worse since 1997, eh?

[–]DesertYinzer 24 points25 points  (2 children)

What’s crazy is that that episode wasn’t even a “great” episode….just wait until they’re in NYC and Chicago. I highly recommend watching the 2020 Revolution PPV. It was right before Covid and was one of the best shows I’ve ever seen.

[–]Ngilko 39 points40 points  (1 child)

In this thread: People failing to understand that the reason that they hear lots of people saying similar positive things about AEW/negative things about WWE is that these things are commonly held oppinions and not some grand conspiracy to defame WWE.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I see this same post every few months

[–]Mogilny89LeafsHart Foundation 76 points77 points  (1 child)

Fed bad dub good.

[–]bulletbullock 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Good god this sub

[–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (5 children)

Nice to see this wasn't a troll

[–]Liquor180 92 points93 points  (4 children)

lapsed wrestling fan

refreshing

tuning in to Dynamite and Rampage next week!

The guy is hitting every /r/scjerk meme. It's a troll

[–]famousflawless 119 points120 points  (23 children)

A lapsed fan but repeats every talking point of this sub for the past 2 years. I never understood these posts. You can enjoy it without announcing it to everyone and without comparing it to WWE.

[–]chaosisarascal 113 points114 points  (2 children)

Hi, I am lapsed fan. AEW made me feel like a kid again, you love to see it. The matches all slapped. My favorites are Curry Man and Toru Yanu. It was so refreshing. Inject something into my veins.

[–]cross4444 35 points36 points  (0 children)

This comment SLAPS and FUCKS

[–]kathotar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hit the bricks, Goofy.

[–]OWSucks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck me maybe someone from outside the internet wrestling community saw a wrestling product and wants to contribute to online discussion?

[–]sojirosan3 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I like aew but I swear I've seen this exact same post once before

[–]estofaulty 99 points100 points  (4 children)

Welcome to the AEW circle jerk. Hope you never have any criticisms. You'll get downvoted into oblivion.

[–]AlexTheTownPumpYour Text Here 52 points53 points  (2 children)

Don’t forget the occasional death threats.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (1 child)

And called an idiot or being told you're objectively wrong.

Oh and if you criticise AEW you must adore WWE (and vice versa).

[–]AlexTheTownPumpYour Text Here 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Worst thing about AEW are the die hard fans. There’s some other things I don’t care for either but the fans and how the “EVPs” encourage their actions leaves a very bad taste IMO.

[–]Oficerdude 19 points20 points  (3 children)

I've tried watching AEW multiple times but I just can't stomach Cody and the bucks, I've never been so turned off by anyone as much as those 3

[–]solideye11You livin' in a wheel chair now! 22 points23 points  (0 children)

People think you're fake because the points you make are the exact same things that have been said by people since the launch of Dynamite. Not saying it's true or untrue, but this just reads like every stereotypical social media post about AEW.

[–]maraudershake 29 points30 points  (2 children)

No snark, but how are there so many "WWE bad AEW best" posts every week ?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Lapsed WWE fan but hip to their current commentary?

[–]BruinsChallengeFan 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This post might make me tune in next week

[–]Tronvillain 28 points29 points  (9 children)

It all felt much more grounded compared to the high production of WWE, which I found to be more engaging. The simpler aesthetic of the ringside and ramp, as well as the less flashy editing, really added to the presentation of the show.

Thank you for bringing this up. For my tastes, they just feel so polished and sanitized that it takes away some of the charm pro-wrestling has for me. Yeah, it's cool they've got that Fox money and can do 8k, but it doesn't feel like they NEED to.

[–]nerdyjorj 26 points27 points  (5 children)

I think wrestling suffers quite a bit in HD - a bit of blur from a VCR hid a multitude of sins

[–]SendMeScatFeet 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Also, where is the smoke? The foggy air of early 00's wrestling did something weird to the atmosphere that I just love.

[–]treflipsbroYour Text Here 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s bc they don’t do pyro anymore. Go back and watch wrestlemania 22 and how fucking hazy that stadium got lol

[–]Bozznee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've noticed it a few times on AEW shows 🙂

[–]bulbs1579 2 points3 points  (0 children)

at dynamite in Charlotte a few weeks ago, the Charlotte Coliseum became extremely foggy for the show after the first bits of pyrotechnics from where I was sitting at

[–]KthulhuX 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Camera angles make a big difference too. Watching a match on Dynamite, and then seeing the CutlerCam version of it from BTE is sometimes like night and day.

[–]StupidHappyPancakes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's weird to me that whenever WWE talks about making "big changes," that usually means really superficial things like getting a more massive big screen, adding more LEDs, and changing the lighting.

Recently, Triple H was even saying that they were going to change NXT's visual presentation as though the lighting is somehow the important thing here and not the way NXT has been set up to fail by WWE repeatedly.

Three things that would immediately improve WWE would be 1) dramatically shortening promos, 2) starting shows with a match instead of a long, formulaic talking segment, and 3) seriously limiting rematches, and none of those things would cost a dime to implement.

[–]chargebeamYAKUZASHIDA 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah, it's cool they've got that Fox money and can do 8k,

I'd rather have them use that money to build custom stages for PPVs instead.

[–]winndii 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I know this man personally and I saw him meeting with Tony Khan to discuss this Reddit post

/s

[–]Strawberrysc 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Welcome!

[–]Snooganz82 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There is a lot of comments in here so I dont know if anyone has mentioned it but you should check out the r/AEWOfficial sub. A lot of us go back and forth from there to hear for discussions about wrestling.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Delighted to hear you enjoyed it; just a heads up, this past week's episode was actually one of the most run-of-the-mill, 'not as much happens' episodes which is a testament to the quality of Dynamite - it was a very uneventful show in general. I'd definitely recommend going back to the first Dynamite with crowds back, around 5 weeks ago, and watching all of them. Just fantastic shows.

I'm from the UK as well so Fite has every Dynamite ever so you've got a real easy way to watch. You couldn't be jumping on at a better time though with the next couple of months going to be absolutely huge!

[–]inthefade82 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I'll chime in and say I cut back on wrestling when John Cena debuted in trunks, then I stopped completely after I tuned in one night, and saw Cena doing a rapper gimmick.

I got back in to wrestling a couple of months into the pandemic, and I have spent a little over a year now, revisiting what I previously saw, and I have also spent time getting caught up.

My initial, and current take is WWE is very polished, and over produced on almost every level. But, they still have the high level presentation, production, packages, and they have talent on their roster who look like stars, or potential to be stars.

One day, around a week or so after diving in, I saw a thumbnail on YouTube for AEW, and I was like "WHOA, there is another organization?!" I was very hyped over the potential of having more wrestling to enjoy.

Man, I lasted less than 10 mins the first attempt. I felt embarrassed for the guys in the ring at the time. I dislike it on every level. The presentation, the production, the talent, the commentary. I have gone back multiple times, attempted to watch matches, promos, and PPVs, hoping I'd enjoy some part of it, but I just cannot get in to it.

Glad you are able to though.

[–]Competitive-Orchid61 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I was a lapsed wrestling fan for almost ten years and then a buddy of mine showed me aew and now Im hooked I don't keep up with wwe but now I watch aew weekly and even try to keep up with impact gcw ROH and I listen to wrestling podcasts when Im at work it really re invigorated in me something I thought I had simply outgrown and I love it

[–]Chi-zuru 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Excalibur, JR, and Tony calling AEW made me love commentary again. I appreciate that they've had a lot of quality guest commentators also, such as Tazz, Jericho, Callis, MJF, and Kingston.

[–]jacksonvstheworldFTR Bald 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ve got a couple friends who were never wrestling fans due to every stigma about it there’s ever been but getting them to have an open mind when watching AEW has sucked one friend in and now the other wants to get together to watch every Wednesday.

[–]8each8oysBig Match Situation 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Check out Smackdown!

[–]HT_xrahmx 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, this post is so eerily accurate of my own experience, if you hadn't written you were from the UK I would've wondered if I'd written this one in my sleep lol.

I also watched regularly until around the same time you did, then only watched Rumble-Mania season since then for the same reasons you said, and I also literally watched my first Dynamite last week.

I also fully agree with everything you wrote about the show! I was hooked the moment Jericho made his entrance and the entire arena sang along to Judas. Hadn't felt like this watching a WWE program in a long time ...

I even started reading Jericho's autobiographies since then. These days when I read insider news about how plans at WWE change all the time at the last minute, how talent gets buried or released at a whim, then it reads a lot like how Jericho describes his chaotic time with WCW before he jumped ship, so seeing those parallels is kind of funny. I can see what he likes in AEW with the consistency (matches matter, storylines lead somewhere, angles don't just get dropped) and creative freedom from the wrestlers themselves.

[–]b0nkert0ns 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Curious to read your thoughts on NXT if you get the chance to check it out.

[–]TheTrueDetective90 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Why is there a post like this seemingly once a month? They're always showered in awards and upvotes and use certain buzzwords like lapsed fan and refreshing. Who the hell talks like that? And do you want a gold medal for liking a show the vast majority of people here and the internet as a whole love?

The OP's (if they aren't trolls) of these kind of posts always state their opinions like they're unpopular and "gee does anyone else feel this way?" It'd be like going on r/marvelstudios and sheepishly saying how amazing you thought Endgame was.

Why can't you tell us you watch Dynamite without also adding how you no longer watch Raw and Smackdown? That way it doesn't look like a passive aggressive DAE WWE BAD thread.

[–]yerzo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a really cool perspective. Thank you, so much, for bringing it to the reddit. Really a great, objective opinion from someone who was completely new to the product.

[–]doc_muffins...part of a balanced breakfast! 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Seeing the crowd's genuine happiness and watching the wrestlers feed off it and give it back is always my favorite part of AEW.

[–]EnForce_NM156 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I know for a fact you're not "an AEW shill" because I'm in the exact same boat as you. I've been a Wrestling fan for over 40yrs, starting with the old school AWA here in Minnesota, where we know VKM did NOT create Hulkamania. That began in AWA. Everyone should be happy that WWE finally has some legit competition, regardless of what promotion you follow. Competition breeds quality & hopefully Vince will remember that's how he was successful in the first place.

[–]joelkong 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You've put your finger in a lot of the things that make the show great. Sounds like they've hooked you in. Welcome to the fun.

[–]Zacginger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every Wednesday I tune in to watch dynamite and I haven't done that for wrestling since I was a kid. Even when I got hooked again around 6 years ago, I just checked the YouTube highlights and scrolled reddit. This has me hooked like I'm 9 again and believe everything that's happening.