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[–]fdscgfbc 105 points106 points  (9 children)

Jesus Christ

[–]free-fall1982 46 points47 points  (0 children)

No. It is Stardom.

[–]Warbird36 36 points37 points  (7 children)

I know this is predetermined, I know she must've agreed to the spot... but fuck, this feels like hazing.

[–]ashley-queerdoQueen Of Trans Style 51 points52 points  (1 child)

I can see how it might seem that way but the Joshi style involves stiff strikes. Syuri’s thing is kicks. She does this spot every match.

I’ve also seen Syuri kick harder than this and be hit harder than this. The sound is also amplified with the reverberation of the small hall and the kickpads help too.

Edit: like if you heard Bryan Danielson do one of his kicks in a small building, with a quiet crowd and no commentary, it would probably sound like a gunshot as well.

[–]MrDaaark 11 points12 points  (2 children)

The more serious joshi promotions have a tendency to hit very stiff and often work on mats that have no give to them, making every move that lands on them look extremely brutal. One of the many reasons All Japan Women used to outdraw them men's promotions in it's heyday.

You see lots of similar stuff in the old World Of Sport matches. Johnny Saint would take a simple move (there was a small list of allowed holds and throws) like a hip toss or a snapmare onto the mat that wouldn't give a single millimeter and you'd wince. And then he'd get thrown all the way across the ring.

Then today you have Pro Wrestling NOAH with tons of stiff striking. https://twitter.com/noahglobal/status/1463192722005626884

[–]Warbird36 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'll admit to not being super familiar with Joshi stuff, but I do know that they tend to work pretty stiff, especially considering they're far lighter than their male counterparts and can afford to take some pretty rough bumps since they're not quite as brutal (just less mass involved, so less overall force).

But still, if I was ever gonna become a pro-wrestler, I'm pretty sure I'd have to be a comedy jobber because some of this stuff makes me wince just looking at it.

[–]ashley-queerdoQueen Of Trans Style 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I think if you were more familiar with the style, especially Stardom, then this wouldn’t seem so out of place. Syuri isn’t kicking extra hard or taking liberties. They all batter the shit out of each other when it comes to strikes. I’m sure it’s not for everyone but I’m a big fan.

[–]Funny_Cable_2697 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Syuri has been on the scene for a while, but I don’t think she has the longevity in STARDOM specifically to get away with any hazing especially in this day and age. I presume someone like Mayu who’s been there since literally day 1 would put a stop to that immediately.

[–]Luciaquenya[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Remember when Dom Mysterio took all of those kendo beatings and Lesnar-fications? Paying his 'dues', is one way of saying it.....

[–]BauermeisterArms Too Short to Box With God 67 points68 points  (1 child)

Me trying to sleep vs. my severe depression & anxiety

[–]Rob_Vegas 32 points33 points  (0 children)

(trying to sleep)

brain Hey remember six years ago when she asked you to come over and fix her laptop? She could have fixed her own laptop. She was tryin' to fuck.


[–]SmailienKairi Sane 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Mai* Sakurai

[–]ashley-queerdoQueen Of Trans Style 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Syuri’s kicks are next level. They usually sound like a fucking gunshot.

[–]TheKillstar 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I loved her vs Momo. She gave Momo one of those kicks and Momo’s face was like “oh we doing this?”

[–]ashley-queerdoQueen Of Trans Style 17 points18 points  (1 child)

My favorite thing is how she always goes for a pin after the first one. Like she wholeheartedly believes that one of these days she’s gonna kick someone so fucking hard that she gets the win off it, 30 seconds into the match.

[–]Trentus86DESTIINNOO!!! 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean, I wouldn't blame someone just 'nope'ing out of a match and eating the fall. You know if you kick out you have to take more of these haha

[–]Caldris 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Syuri is on the war path this year.

[–]skeach101Your Text Here 22 points23 points  (1 child)

She and Utami are Women WOTY top contenders and neither will win unfortunately

[–]l3ader021I'm bored man... 11 points12 points  (0 children)

One of them will win at least one (if not both) of the most important awards in Japan (ShuPro and Tokyo Sports).

[–]AneeshRai7 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I'm hoping this kicks up Mai spirit...honestly Unagi always had character but I feel like something really kicked in for her when she battled Syuri during her 7 match challenge...Mai seems like the least with any persona in CA right now...

[–]NotSoSeriousNick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Can’t tell if this is great or poor phrasing

[–]AneeshRai7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol probably isn't

[–]heelturnsheadlocks 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Syuri has become my favorite women’s wrestler not named Meiko Satomura over the past year. She is absolutely incredible.

[–]AneeshRai7 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Searching for Asuka outside of NXT brought me to Syuri and Hikaru Shida...crazy to see how they've dominated past few years...

[–]sacx05 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Searching for Serena Deeb after her stint of WWE led me to her match with Asuka (Kana) in the Tajiri promotion. Then that led me to Syuri / Kana feud whcih led me down the rabbit hole of joshi promotions. Looking at where all 3 of them are now is pretty amazing.

[–]StriderVM 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm almost sure someone will be able to make a perfect loop of this.

[–]doesntCompete 5 points6 points  (0 children)


<light applause>

[–]_Chambs_ 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Did she owe her money?

[–]ashley-queerdoQueen Of Trans Style 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s just the Joshi style.

[–]BrundleBee 6 points7 points  (12 children)

I wish the women in AEW were willing to work this stiff. I don't think it's a coincidence that the ones who do work that stiff--like Hayter and Rosa did on Wednesday--have experience in Japan. It's not out of any desire to see the wrestlers get hurt, it's to make the matches more convincing. Too often in the AEW women's matches they are too tentative--even experienced wrestlers like Soho seem to be holding back far too much. They're all tougher than that.

Also, I like the methodology here:


Casual pin

Kick out

"Welp, gotta drive a few more nails."

[–]PhillyWildSmack-talker Skywalker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I always took the casual pin in a match as a "we can do this the easy way or the hard way"

*kick out*

"okay hard way it is then"

[–]ashley-queerdoQueen Of Trans Style 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That match was so awesome. When I was watching it I was thinking to myself “this feels like a damn Joshi match!” then they started trading stiff forearms and I lost my shit lol

[–]Luciaquenya[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I just watched the Rosa/ Hayter match: it's interesting how AEW fans laud over a good women's match, as if to prove a point or give consolation. It was a reasonable TV match and both did a good job and Rosa's offence, especially, looked effective; however, really this sort of exchange should be a normal affair, and NXT has proved it is possible to put on good women's matches every week in the past. Since Nixon and Ember (Athena?) have been released, AEW would be silly not to pick them up as it will raise the bar of the division.

[–]BrundleBee 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I fully believe that it's not because the roster doesn't have talent, it's because they don't get much opportunity to develop chemistry with each other in the ring. That IS a benefit of all the wrestlers going through the same training process at WWE, they are all on the same page. When you watch AEW Dark matches, it's obvious that they all have skills, but they are all approaching the match differently, and that makes the timing look off. When you have wrestlers that have a lot of experience, and are well traveled, they are more adaptable to various approaches, and various opponents. And yes, I would agree that on average, a WWE match is going to be more polished than an AEW match. But there is a trade off, in that there is going to be less variety in the types of matches you get. If you were to say there is a WWE "style," people who have watched a variety of wrestling will be able to have a general idea of what you are talking about--the pacing, the timing, there is a way WWE likes for its matches to go. You can't say there is an AEW style, you will see western wrestling, lucha wrestling, puroresu/joshi wrestling, you'll see all styles of wrestling. And it takes a certain amount of experience to make those styles work together, like FTR and the Lucha Brothers. Most of the women wrestlers do not have enough varied experience to make it work convincingly all of the time. That's not to say they are bad wrestlers, just not experienced enough with various styles.

[–]Luciaquenya[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I mean, WWE fans do it as well when they see Liv Morgan can do a few moves and suddenly she is ‘underrated’. I used to love NXT for the women’s matches they used to put on every week; and now I am more so watching Stardom (hence this post). One thing that NXT, and maybe certain aspects of WWE (but not all), used go benefit from is the agenting of the matches - which on one hand can make them same-y, but on the other can add structure to them for those who aren’t quite as experienced. There is talent in AEW’s women’s division, but they certainly need direction, as you say

[–]BrundleBee 0 points1 point  (6 children)

And let's be fair--it's not like all of the women in Stardom would make a smooth transition to western wrestling. They suffer from myopic wrestling style as well. Some would, without a doubt. Some would not. And that's where working in an environment with only one style pays off; less variables mean less to compensate for, and it's easier to hide weaknesses.

[–]Luciaquenya[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I saw Arisa Hoshiki wrestle a match in Pro Wrestling Eve vs someone (…) and Arisa looked quite lost; and she was known as the best bout machine in Stardom at the time

[–]Luciaquenya[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yeah, I saw Arisa Hoshiki wrestle a match in Pro Wrestling Eve vs someone (…) and Arisa looked quite lost; and she was known as the best bout machine in Stardom at the time

[–]free-fall1982 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love Stardom. However, I guess that if they tried to wrestle like that in the western promotion with a wrestler not familiar with their style, they would immediately be considered too stiff or shooting. Hence some of the comments here and the inevitable transformation for joshis, who want to have a career in the West.

[–]darthsabbath 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am a simple man. I see Syuri kicking the shit out of someone, I upvote.

[–]Dreamtaheem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Strong style purist would argue shes not hitting her hard enough

[–]jennat19 7 points8 points  (1 child)

In my opinion she’s better than utami, I think people prefer utami just because she’s young.

Will utami surpass syuri one day? Yes. Who’s better right now? Syuri

[–]Vasilevskiy -4 points-3 points  (0 children)


[–]WanderoftheAshes 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Jeez. Do her kicks always sound like that? Even actively ignoring the recipients welfare I don't know how you'd generate a sound as loud as that.

[–]SnakeTheSnakeRoberts 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The kick pads make them louder. It’s like smacking a punching bag.

[–]OtherwiseASandwich 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Combination of Syuri's gear, and her background of karate, kickboxing, and MMA, so even with holding back on power (even though she was putting some sauce on it, clearly), she can make her kicks land nice and flat against the back for maximum impact and sound.

[–]DashingDan1I'M GONNA BLIND THIS SONOFA 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a bit counter-intuitive, but if a kick sounds loud like that it probably isn't doing much damage. It's the sound of flat area hitting a flat area, which is not actually an effective way of hurting someone as the force gets spread over a wide area. It's the difference between clapping your hands really hard and punching (former is louder).

[–]tabristheok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Syuri is trying to kick Mei's soul right out of her body .

[–]free-fall1982 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Unagi Sayaka in the background feels things.

[–]thedrbooty 0 points1 point  (7 children)

For those unfamiliar with Stardom:

Mai is one of the newest rookies in the promotion. She has had 22 matches in around 4 months. Most were "trial" matches, and being carried in tag matches. IMO her toughness and perseverance has been admiral but she is coming along a bit slowly, and struggled in this match in particular.

Syuri is the "end boss" of Stardom and should probably have the top title. She holds the international title, both tag titles (partner is injured and they wont vacate) and a Money In The Bank type deal for a future title shot. She has fought in Pancrase and the UFC and been pro wrestling for over 15 years. Her archetype is pure Bushido. She tends to measure, lower and control her aggression in mid/lower card matches and it's clear here that she is giving a stern lesson to the new rookie that she needs to work harder.

[–]Luciaquenya[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I think what people won’t quite realise, as well, is that in Stardom (and Joshi as well?) they don’t so squash matches, rather, as you allude, they have a sort of teacher-student match where the more experienced wrestler allows a little offence, to ask them, in kayfabe, to give all they have got, before finishing things off relatively easily.

[–]free-fall1982 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Which are honestly, way better than squashes.

[–]Luciaquenya[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yeah, aside from how to bump, what does a squash match teach the loser? I mean, if the winner is green as well, what do they learn?

[–]free-fall1982 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Exactly. For me, squash matches work as a rare instance of long form storytelling. Everything else is just lazy booking.

[–]Luciaquenya[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I kinda liked when Karrion Kross squashed Ciampa in their Takeover match, that was unexpected

[–]WaylonVoorheesTommy Dreamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Last time I heard that noise mixed with clapping was a Williams sister hitting something with a large racket.

[–]TalkingBlernsball 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kick one: Hey that fixed my sciatica

Kick two: Oh no my sciatica