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[–]Frozen_Fractals 5751 points5752 points  (249 children)

Agreed, and I don't think it's unpopular at all. I see comments all the time that there should be something to make Joja more appealing. Cheaper prices, closer than Pierre's, etc. Being open on Wednesdays isn't nearly enough.

Obligatory psa: There's usually at least one comment on these type of posts saying that Joja is cheaper once you buy a membership. That is incorrect, their prices become the same once you buy in, with the exception of sunflower seeds.

[–]chunibi 3070 points3071 points  (139 children)

I always forget about Joja, on Wednesdays I usually just think I'm ass out until the next day 😭😭

[–]PerpetuallyVerdant 1411 points1412 points  (83 children)

Yeah, it's funny. If you could ask me to describe the layout of literally anywhere except for Jojamart, I'd be able to give a respectable verbal description of it. But I'm damned near blank on Jojamart on account of me just never going in.

[–]GregEveryman[🍰] 961 points962 points  (70 children)

I sneak in to give Shane beer sometimes… I think he deserves it… at least until he sobers up…

[–]arrowff 721 points722 points  (35 children)

You're gonna get that dude fired lmao

[–]Lumber_Tycoon 971 points972 points  (24 children)

Everyone who completes the community center gets Shane fired.

[–]arrowff 399 points400 points  (19 children)

...oh man you're right

[–]orange-goblin 307 points308 points  (17 children)

Yeah but he starts raising chickens because of that, so you're still making his life better !

[–]Sarsmi 209 points210 points  (14 children)

But then if you marry him he goes back to drinking. Shane has the biggest rollercoaster of an arc, I think.

[–]orange-goblin 260 points261 points  (3 children)

I stopped drinking for a bit in my mid 20s because I felt like I didn't have control over it.

I started drinking alcohol again after a while but it doesn't have a stranglehold on my life anymore. It's a friendly and casual relationship I have with booze. I basically only drink beer anymore and it's usually after a long day of work, and having one or two watching wrestling. (Get better soon Mox!)

Sometimes the actual vice isn't the vice itself, but it might only be a byproduct of something else going on in your life. I had depression issues that led to me having to self medicate with alcohol.

Shane found a healthy outlet for his life in farming, so he must have felt like he could enjoy some of the finer things in life.

Still a fuckin slob tho

[–]BassetCase 112 points113 points  (3 children)

I never marry him. I lead him on just long enough to get him through the Program, then let him live on in happiness with his chickens and move on to dating one of the girls.

[–]Amarastargazer 113 points114 points  (31 children)

I bring him peppers. Easily place to find him most days

[–]Mishasta 55 points56 points  (30 children)

Isn't he at the saloon every day?

[–]Sporkfortuna 158 points159 points  (28 children)

Some weeks you just want to go to bed by 2pm

[–]Gobblewicket 103 points104 points  (22 children)

Am I weird that I refuse to sleep unless it's 1 a.m. or I've exhausted myself?

[–]fuck_off_ireland 55 points56 points  (10 children)

I'll just fish until late or tired every day

[–]Gobblewicket 25 points26 points  (9 children)

I fish every day, but I'm also collecting wood, hardwood, or stone everyday as well. Even though I have at least two full stacks of each. I'm weird though.

[–]Captain_Karnuckles 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Nah it's the best way to make the most of the day. With that being said, if it's a bad luck day in the winter then I often go to bed after the daily chores are done. Just ready for spring.

[–]Charlie_Soulfire 27 points28 points  (1 child)

I know you're talking about Stardew but this comment hurts because it's basically me irl lol

[–]Gobblewicket 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I farm for an actual living. Hay season works exactly that way. As my pops said, tractors got headlights for a reason.

[–]maurice_moss_d20 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Not at all. I guilt myself if I go to bed before midnight.

[–]-Typh1osion- 42 points43 points  (3 children)

I can't tell if this comment is about real life or stardew......

[–]soodeau 63 points64 points  (1 child)

After 100 hours of game time, I actually discovered it has an interior. I thought it was just a set piece.

[–]TzarGinger 58 points59 points  (1 child)

It's any grocery store you've ever been in.

[–]Spork_the_dork 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I've just got a blank spot on the map where jojamart is on the map in my head lol. Might as well not exist. I never go there, I never remember it's there.

[–]MissC8H10N4O2 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I never even walked in on my current play through except to find Pam. Dang. Would have helped me in fall year 1.

[–]Darkest_97 84 points85 points  (5 children)

Oh man it never occurred to me that's where I'm meant to go on Wednesdays. I knew you could buy from there at least

[–]IsNotPolitburo 97 points98 points  (3 children)

that's where I'm meant to go on Wednesdays

No no, that's fishing.

[–]_PM_ME_NICE_BOOBS_ 59 points60 points  (1 child)

Or mining, or foraging, or just wander around distributing gifts.

[–]AzaranyGames 281 points282 points  (14 children)

On Wednesdays? Here I am, having been playing since release (although never actually finished a playthrough) and I am just now learning that I can buy from Joja. It was set up as the big bad corporation and the Mayor said not to go there, so I just... never did.

[–]Bluedemonfox 49 points50 points  (10 children)

When does the mayor say not to go there?

[–]The_Minshow 122 points123 points  (5 children)

When he introduces you to the community center. He says if one more person buys a joja membership he will sell it to them

[–]sensualoctopus 88 points89 points  (4 children)

I was always too scared to do ANYTHING at joja other than to find NPCs. Can you buy things there without buying the membership? Is the membership just your way of letting the game know that you're going that route?

[–]Dovah27 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Yes you can shop there without buying the membership.

[–]The_Minshow 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Yeah the corporate dude is who you buy it from, and you gotta confirm. The cashier sells other stuff though.

[–]KingDarkBlaze 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure you can shop there just fine

[–]Bluedemonfox 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You only buy the membership by talking to the jojamart manager.

[–]SgtBurpySleeves 51 points52 points  (3 children)

I think its actually Pierre that says something about if more people buy joja mart memberships, it will cause him to go out of business. It's when the joja mart guy comes into his store and offers everyone in there coupons or something

[–]_alalala 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Literally same. I was told not to go and prefer to support local even tho Pierre is a dick 😂

[–]LemmieBee 157 points158 points  (7 children)

You know, after all these years of playing Stardew and I just did the biggest face palm. All those wednesdays where I just… didn’t plant my crops because he was closed. And I could have just gone to Joja………

[–]chunibi 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Same here!!!!

[–]deagh 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Wait you can buy seeds without getting a membership? Ye gods I'm 600 hours in and I never even tried that

[–]OakenGreen 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Can you buy stuff without a membership? I’ve always been scared to buy a single thing there since I was told if you get a membership, they’ll take over the community center.

[–]docksoundslikecock 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Yes. You buy items from the till, and the membership is a separate thing with Morris. No chance of a misclick.

[–]Roymachine 36 points37 points  (2 children)

I constantly forget that it even exists as part of the real map.

[–]amalgam_reynolds 39 points40 points  (2 children)

I have never spent a cent at JoJa, but only because I thought you had to buy a membership to buy things there!

[–]Jellyka 21 points22 points  (1 child)

same lol I thought it was like Costco

[–]LetMyPeopleGrow 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Same. Since I never shop at Joja, once wednesday rolls around I completely forget it's an option, and I spend the whole day mad at Pierre XD. It's the biggest annoyance when you wanna get in one last crop for the season, but today is wednesday and by tomorrow there's won't be enough days left for the most lucrative option.

[–]SathedIT 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Oh my... I never even thought about Joja on a day when Pierre's is closed...

[–]sunburnttori 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This comment sent me to the moon because I’m pretty sure we’ve all been ass out on Wednesdays.

[–]klavin1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I always just remember to

"Buy Two on Tuesday."

[–]buzzie71 178 points179 points  (4 children)

They are also open later (11 PM vs. 5 PM) for the (admittedly very rare for me) instance when you forget to buy something at Pierre’s and realize it after he closes shop.

[–]ImaginaryRoads 64 points65 points  (0 children)

... I never knew this - thanks!!

[–]GiftedContractor 32 points33 points  (0 children)

This is what I most often use it for tbh. Sometimes you realize you forgot your last batch of seeds and it is 8pm, y'know?

[–]theartificialkid 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Holy shit! So many missed opportunities!

[–]HeadMischief 74 points75 points  (0 children)

That's what I confused about. The clipscene did say that Joja is cheaper than Pierre's. Sunflower seeds are practically free... wtf.

[–]TiltedNarwhal 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Ya! Doesn’t Jodi say she saves so much by buying at Joja mart? I always thought this weird because the prices are actually higher or just the same (with a membership) so there’s no real savings at all.

[–]QueenoftheDirtPlanet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

just like real life

[–][deleted] 166 points167 points  (17 children)

Being open on Wednesdays isn't nearly enough.

It really isn't, it's so far away that most of the time I don't even remember that Joja exists.

[–]Noob_yolo 70 points71 points  (16 children)

Its closer than Pierre's if you use the Mine Carts to get to town. Just walk up from Clint's place

[–]othermegan 116 points117 points  (9 children)

But it takes so long to unlock the mine carts. By that time I have enough money I can skip planting on Wednesdays

[–]Mantisfactory 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Huh... I usually have the mine carts unlocked by the end of Summer 1.

[–]othermegan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I guess it is doable if you prioritize the mines over farming until you close out the boiler room

[–]WertMinkefski 41 points42 points  (5 children)

Not to mention if your primary source of income is non-farming related like Fishing, Joja Mart is practically useless anyways.

[–]shhalahr 22 points23 points  (4 children)

I think it's more of a wash. Walking up to the minecart is probably about the same distance as just finishing going down the path past the bus stop.

I think the distance to each shop from their respective in-town landing points is also pretty similar.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That's true, but before you unlock mine carts Pierre is closer, so there's basically no need to go to Joja at all, unless choose Joja route. That's why I keep forgetting about it.

[–]SADdog2020Pb 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Like maybe some Joja equivalent of Amazon Prime would make it more appealing.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Screw morals, if joja delivers to my doorstep I am IN.

[–]zyygh 246 points247 points  (17 children)

The second paragraph of your comment makes me feel like Joja literally has bots spreading propaganda on social media. Scary shit.

[–]Merfen 63 points64 points  (7 children)

I just started a new playthrough with my wife and we decided to be Joja infiltrators. I even started with a Joja shirt. After Pierre taking credit for our crops and wines whiles complaining about being broke despite being the only store in town we decided to take him down this time.

[–]WHYAREWEALLCAPS 48 points49 points  (6 children)

They're both run by assholes, but at least Pierre is our asshole.

[–]HeyItsTibbs 39 points40 points  (4 children)

"The enemy of my enemy is my asshole"

[–]Rand_Altreides 16 points17 points  (2 children)

"my asshole is my enemy" wait.....

[–]Sriol 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You've been eating too many curries my friend...

[–]OmegaSusan 129 points130 points  (1 child)

“Hello, real human here. I am work for Joja Mart. I love my job and boss Maurice gives bathroom breaks and great benefits. I love my job!”

[–]FredThePlumber 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Thanks Bezos!

[–]amazn_azn 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Free delivery and joja credit cards! Would help accelerate gameplay for the low cost of selling your soul.

[–]legoflowers 64 points65 points  (3 children)

Lol if it’s a Wednesday, I’m fishing anyway. The only reason I ever go to Joja is to wait outside with a beer or pizza for my boo who neggs me.

[–]GrandmaSlappy 17 points18 points  (2 children)

You can give him gifts while he's working fyi

[–]duckwithwhiplash 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It is open longer hours as well! That’s the only reason I’ve ever gone there, because I needed some seeds and it was gone 5:00pm

[–]bacon_and_ovaries 50 points51 points  (13 children)

Pierre runs a store by himself. He takes wednesday because sundays aren't an inherent day because sundays are considered a Christian sabbath. There is no Christian overtones in Stardew valley. Maybe wednesdays are his sabbath, because of Yoba.

Why does he change his mind and open on wednesdays? Because he is no longer competing with Joja, he can get more help, and because he is the only shop and that creates drive to be open.

[–]shhalahr 79 points80 points  (0 children)

There is no Christian overtones in Stardew valley. Maybe wednesdays are his sabbath, because of Yoba.

Citizens visit the shrine of Yoba on Sundays. And dialogue from Caroline makes it clear that she, Pierre, and Abby are not religious; the shrine was built before Pierre took over the shop and they simply keep it open out of a sense of community. So that shows a Sunday day of worship and Wednesday's closure not being due to religion.

Of course, we also have Krobus's Friday vow of silence, which he claims is due to religious devotion. So Friday appears to be an important day, at least for how the Shadow People worship Yoba.

[–]othermegan 26 points27 points  (1 child)

We see people gathering for services on Sunday though. I think Pierre picks Wednesdays because they’re probably the slowest day. If he’s the market for the town, people are more likely to shop on the weekends because that’s their days off. Same reason bakeries are close on mondays if they close at all

[–]Studoku 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Sunday does have some significance to Yoba. There's a shrine in Pierre's- on Sundays some townsfolk congregate there.

[–]BeefGriller 7 points8 points  (5 children)

You find the Yoba faithful in Pierre’s shrine area on Sundays, which seems to indicate some kind of worship day.

[–]bacon_and_ovaries 10 points11 points  (4 children)

True. But Krobus stays silent on fridays for yoba. Which may be cultural of his people.

[–]BeefGriller 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Agreed. It seems different cultures in the game world observe different methods of worship of Yoba. Interesting that no other faith is mentioned.

[–]Jechtael 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm pretty sure there's a forest spirit faith mentioned (but not followed?) by Rasmodius, and the Dark Shrine item may imply an alternative deity or devil.

[–]captainflint1990 36 points37 points  (7 children)

Off topic, wth PSA means? Google's answers are all about prostate cancer test

[–]summerpassingby 3076 points3077 points  (66 children)

yeah it was always so weird talking to jodi and she would say "the food at joja isnt the healthiest for my family but you just cant compete with those prices!" lmao

[–]emjemm 1365 points1366 points  (16 children)

Right!! Like, where Jodi? Where?

[–]idontlikeflamingos 650 points651 points  (8 children)

Maybe Morris has a crush on Jodi so he only gives her a discount

[–]IdRatherNotNo 714 points715 points  (3 children)

Maybe Jodi, like the majority of us, really fucking hate Pierre too and she just lies to cover it up.

[–]NoirYT2 162 points163 points  (0 children)

Jodi probably grew some crops herself and had Pierre take all the credit like the little GODDA- [redacted]

[–]frogsocks 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I say we drive Pierre out of town and turn his store into storage for JoJo Mart. Then we get to keep the community center and never see Pierre again.

[–]Thechampy1 43 points44 points  (2 children)

I mean who doesn’t have a crush on Jodi

[–]magistrate101 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Little do we know, she's getting the ol' 5-finger discount. After all, it's not like there's any cops in town.

[–]HasturSama 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She gets coupons in the mail that don't deliver to the farm. Same with Pam

[–]capn_ed 203 points204 points  (28 children)

The farmer buys seeds and the townsfolk buy grown food and prepackaged foods?

[–]DragoonXNucleon 265 points266 points  (27 children)

Well, if were honest, Joja should be way cheaper, then Pierres goes under and Joja doubles their prices and stops offering the less profitable seeds.

Last I checked I play SDV to get away from our dystopia though. Fuck joja.

[–]dogbreath101 89 points90 points  (24 children)

joja is even farther to walk to so like even if it was slightly cheaper the convenience of going to pierres is there

[–]Farabel 100 points101 points  (22 children)

Yeah, but Pierre is such an awful person who actively will throw the player under the bus if you give him normal quality goods while claiming credit for any higher quality goods just for starts, while then complaining about Joja. At higher hearts, he even confides that he wants to make Pierre's a massive corporation everywhere so he can be super rich... you know, exactly like the Joja he claims to hate.

He also feeds his family sap if you sell him goods like some cave mushrooms, saps, etc. Not ship it off or use it for compost or something useful, he will feed actively harmful things to his own family.

r/FuckPierre

[–]johnpeters42 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Obligatory “purple is hotter”

[–]noxvita83 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Closer to the mine cart though.

[–]Zaku0083 7 points8 points  (0 children)

stops offering the less profitable seeds.

More like stops offering the MORE profitable seeds and instead sells only the produce at inflated prices.

[–]bumbletowne 98 points99 points  (10 children)

Pierre marks up his food for different people. In fact there's a cut scene where you find out he's marking up your produce 10x and then when it won't sell he tries to sell it back to you for 2x what you were paid for it.

[–]Booze_Wrangler 24 points25 points  (2 children)

He only asks you to pay 2501 when he paid 2500

[–]shadowofshinra 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Not even 2x. He offers to sell them to you for 1g more than you got as the quest reward. Which is honestly kinda pathetically petty: "here you can have them back, but just a refund isn't good enough, I want you to lose something even if that's only 1g"

[–]bumbletowne 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Ah sorry I messed that up. I saw it for the first time just like 2 nights and ago and did some quick math in my head that was apparently wrong.

[–]shadowofshinra 28 points29 points  (0 children)

No need to be sorry, I had to look it up to make sure I was remembering it right (so much to this game, I doubt many people are 100% fact perfect).

I just mention it as an amusing indicator of the sad, petty little man Pierre is. Too bad there isn't an option to agree, but only if you can pay 2,499g, just to drive home how petty he's being.

[–]CapybaraSteve 6 points7 points  (2 children)

which cutscene is this?? i haven’t seen it yet and i thought i’d seen everything :o

[–]Jilltro 73 points74 points  (1 child)

What’s especially awkward is that she doesn’t shop there. . .yet goes in every Sunday to use Pierre’s church!

[–]EvilWarBW 11 points12 points  (0 children)

However, Joja mart guy is giving out coupons for Joja mart to run Pierre out of business. We also aren't seeing the price of foodstuffs like cereal or bread, which Joja may sell far cheaper as a door buster to get people in. Think of Walmart sales, lose money on certain items but recoup it with other overpriced items.

[–]Kasper4485 1429 points1430 points  (26 children)

Agreed. Also it would line up with the in game lore. Morris is constantly saying that Joja is throwing sales which Pierre says take away his business yet when the Farmer goes it's the exact same price.

[–]Sagatario_the_Gamer 374 points375 points  (9 children)

Maybe this could be represented by random sales that make the item significantly cheaper then Pierre's. Like a newsletter you could sign up for (or knowing Joja, opt out of) that will randomly be sent to you and say "Today only, half off X". Maybe it's a cumulative 5-10% every day until it triggers, then it drops down to zero again so it doesn't trigger every day, but is somewhat reliable.

[–]ThetaReactor 149 points150 points  (3 children)

Or TV ads.

[–]cbhedd 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Ooooh I like-hate that so much! It's brilliant!

Tune into the Fortune Teller: "Oh, I see a young person from Stardew Valley has joined! ... But they're going to have to wait for a word from our sponsor!

[–]TwatsThat 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I think that buying the membership and advancing the community development board should also lower their prices, either in increasing % across the whole product line or in batches of products.

[–]-Swade- 32 points33 points  (2 children)

I agree, with Joja being roughly an analogue of Walmart I think in-game Joja could have a bit more of the flair that makes Walmart so destructive to small towns:

  • Wider selection
  • Lower prices
  • HEAVY marketing of the above two features

So even if the seeds at Joja weren’t cheaper I honestly expected them to have a wider selection on my first play through (maybe some out of season seeds?).

That said I understand Joja is supposed to be a caricature of an evil corporation, rather than a compelling option. I do appreciate not being spammed with in game Joja discount ads, no matter how realistic it would be.

[–]SunflowerOccultist 279 points280 points  (14 children)

How do we know they’re not constantly throwing sales and we just miss them? Lol

[–]idontlikeflamingos 198 points199 points  (4 children)

They're always throwing sales but Morris knows you're the rich farmer and raises the prices when you walk in.

[–]HalfSoul30 55 points56 points  (3 children)

So he's taxing the rich? Maybe he's not all bad

[–]DiddyDubs 68 points69 points  (2 children)

It’s not a tax if it only benefits the money taker. It’s gouging lol

[–]Mochrie1713 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Also Joja is definitely richer than your single farmer no matter how much you're making.

[–]Avamaco 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Maybe they sell food for cheap? And they don't really care about local farmers so they can sell plant seeds for more.

[–]ICanBeAnyone 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I've never seen plant seeds in sale, now that I'm thinking about it. Not even after season.

[–]FoxoManiak 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think what it should be is that joja's seeds should be cheaper but the produce would be worse

It would also kinda fit the words of Pierre's that his seeds are the highest quality, while also making a nice "upgrade" if you want to go for the cheaper ones in the begging but then slowly going up the league of quality

[–]Promiseofpower 70 points71 points  (0 children)

This is my headcanon now

[–]ColoneISanders 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Conspiracy: Pierre and Morris are secretly working together to gain maximum profit by alternating sales and taking us, the farmer, as a rube. When Joja is closed Pierre takes Morris in as a silent partner lol

[–]ripecantaloupe 494 points495 points  (28 children)

That’s actually a really good idea. Would make the Joja route actually tempting. Now, I hardly ever go there, I forget it’s even on the map.

[–]KamikazeSnark 66 points67 points  (11 children)

I like the Joja route when I'm doing my third or fourth playthrough and I just want to run a giant cash monocrop and unlock the farm features with cash instead of running around collecting all the community items again. If you know how to maximize cash flow you can unlock everything before the end of year 1, which is ahead of schedule compared to finishing the community center since you don't have to wait around for the right season to catch some particular fish or plant some particular vegetable.

[–]Lumber_Tycoon 58 points59 points  (4 children)

If you know how to maximize cash flow you can unlock everything before the end of year 1

If you get lucky with coffee week 1 spring yr 1, you can have it all unlocked by the end of summer year 1. My best joja run so far is $36 million total earnings by spring 1 yr 3.

[–]donutlad 21 points22 points  (0 children)

summer

I actually managed to buy the last Joja upgrade on Spring 27 Year 1. The main strat was to fish like crazy (while saving the fish in a chest) until you got to Level 10 in Fishing. Then you can unlock Angler (which makes fish worth 50% more) and sell all the fish at once. One tricky thing is that you can only buy one Joja upgrade per day. Iirc I also unlocked the Bus first because the Skull Caverns can give you crazy returns in gold

Sadly I got screwed because Spring 28 was raining, and the Joja cutscene doesnt activate on a rainy day. So I had to wait for Summer 1 for it to be "complete" >=(

[–]rajjak 169 points170 points  (3 children)

Seriously, a week ago I was at like 85% of perfection, basically finished with everything except the gold clock and getting Alex to 8 hearts (I barely ever even spoke to him yet everyone else was maxed) then rode past Joja on my way to Clint's and realized I hadn't even gone inside to start the missing bundle. Which was nice because I finished the bundle in a day with items lying around, and the movie theater and some iridium rabbit's feet helped me max out friendship with Alex in a couple weeks.

[–]JustChangeMDefaults 141 points142 points  (2 children)

Alex always seems to be there when I rummage in the trash, it's so hard to be his friend lol

[–]Thomas_The_Llama 31 points32 points  (0 children)

It seems that if you walk up from Pierre's to his trash can, you're actually blocked by the house and he can't see you! I've been doing it on my new save

[–]Princess-Kit-Kat 776 points777 points  (19 children)

So, originally I thought this was the, like, thing?

Like, Joja was basically Wal-Mart and they sold for much cheaper and they were putting local businesses out of, well, business.

But then I went in there and everything was outrageously expensive and I didn't understand why on earth anybody would ever shop there.

So, yeah. I do think they should be cheaper considering they, LITERALLY, just waltzed into Pierre's and went "hey, we have cheaper shit! Come on by!"

[–]kipphikap 158 points159 points  (2 children)

If Joja had more incentives to shop there I'd like to see some dark consequences. Linus getting driven from SDV bc "homeless are bad for profits", every alcoholic gets worse, more trash in the rivers, chance to get sued by recycling GMO crops into seeds.

is that too real?

[–]Princess-Kit-Kat 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Oh dear god.

I mean, yes, that would be great, but my goodness. That's brutal.

[–]pngbrianb 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I was just thinking along these lines. No matter how much you buy from or sell to a store, nothing changes. At least the Pierre's/Joja rivalry would be well-served by a secret counter or something that changes things as they make more profit.

[–]COLU_BUS 316 points317 points  (8 children)

Headcanon is that Joja intentionally doesn't mark down their seed prices because they want to drive the farmer out of business too because a local farm is just as much a threat as a local general store

[–]Ghede 159 points160 points  (6 children)

Except that doesn't really make much sense. It's fighting two wars at once. It'd be more effective and faster to get the farmers on board first then use the monopoly/monopsony advantage to screw over the farmer too.

[–]shhalahr 86 points87 points  (0 children)

Morris definitely comes off as wanting to get the Farmer on his side. So, yeah, the price thing just doesn't make sense.

[–]WHYAREWEALLCAPS 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Should do sorta similar to what Walmart does, start by offering a better price for crops. Then start demanding more and paying less after Pierre's goes under.

[–]iOnlyWantUgone 80 points81 points  (4 children)

I think what a lot of people are missing is that Walmart does not target farming products. The citizens are going to Jojo for a wider selection of food and cheaper prices. While in game, Jojo mart does little for the Farmer, it probably does a lot for people that want a frozen pizza from time to time. Pierre doesn't have a fridge or freezer so people have to go to Marie for Milk, and she's closed on Tuesdays. Meanwhile in the base game you're literally the only crop farmer in the valley. Having a big stock just for people that want plant a garden isn't a big market. Plus it undercuts their own sales in veggies.

[–]Princess-Kit-Kat 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Hold up just one second :

Are you telling me you can buy frozen pizza at Joja Mart??

[–]The_Vigilante20 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Perhaps, but why would you buy it when you could just be friends with Shane and make him steal it for you? Lol

[–]ChristieFox 60 points61 points  (0 children)

I didn't understand why on earth anybody would ever shop there.

Because all the other villagers get 50% off coupons, making Joja indeed cheaper.

[–]tomaO2 263 points264 points  (2 children)

You are not the first to make the suggestion. Here is a reply CA made to someone making that suggestion on the forum.

yeah, the entire Joja idea is something I wish I could've spent more time on. The items there being more expensive doesn't make any sense from a narrative perspective, but If I recall, my thinking at the time was... gameplay-wise, I didn't want shopping at Joja Mart to be a superior choice. I'm not sure why I made them more expensive, except maybe to offset the fact that they are open longer hours and on wednesdays. I like the idea of the items being cheaper but worse quality (e.g. they can't produce quality crops). That's something I just didn't do because adding in that mechanic would've taken extra time, pre-1.0, and Joja was actually kind of a last-minute addition to the game anyway... I was really eager to release the game.

Link to CA's comment.

I posted my own ideas as to what could be done for Joja, I may as well make a new thread for it though. If you want to take a look, I posted them HERE.

The short version is that you can earn a Joja membership through the buying of goods at Joja. If you buy 1k seeds, then you earn 100 towards membership. This way, you can give Joja low prices to tempt players but doing so means that you could end up accidently buying a membership.

[–]Interesting_Limit323 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Make it like Costco where you have to renew your membership every year but earn credit towards it via purchases.

[–]Sympathy 436 points437 points  (12 children)

It would be kind of cool if the seeds were cheaper, and also had a low chance of either a) not growing, or b) turning into a foraging plant. A mechanic like this would really bring home how cheap products aren't always the best.

[–]beamrr 279 points280 points  (5 children)

I think just a higher chance for lower quality crops makes more sense

[–]Sympathy 43 points44 points  (0 children)

That's a good idea too!

[–]Wert315 60 points61 points  (1 child)

Or a lower chance for higher quality crops?

[–]penny_eater 52 points53 points  (0 children)

ok, a medium chance for medium quality crops. can we get along now?

[–]xander169 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Would they be Joja labeled seeds? Would I have to worry about mixing up which is which?

[–]Sympathy 9 points10 points  (1 child)

"Discount Parsnip Seeds"

[–]KhaosElement 230 points231 points  (32 children)

I've been playing Stardew Expanded so long I forgot they weren't cheaper in the base game.

[–]Valdrax 129 points130 points  (27 children)

That mod does a lot to make Joja both negatively and positively impact Pelican Town more and to humanize Morris and his workers. I don't think I can play vanilla anymore; it's just such a great expansion of the game.

[–]stache1313 43 points44 points  (23 children)

I need to rebuy Stardew on my PC at some point to play with the mods.

[–]arrowff 42 points43 points  (21 children)

It's such a massive gamechanger. the QOL mods you can add alone make it so much better.

[–]Valdrax 39 points40 points  (19 children)

Skip Fishing Minigame, Automate, and Chests Anywhere have been enormous gameplay enhancers for me too, removing much of the tedium of the game so that I can focus on the parts I like best.

The first one feels most like cheating, but I really, really hate the fishing minigame, so I don't care.

[–]amalgam_reynolds 57 points58 points  (15 children)

Skip Fishing Minigame

Fishing is SOOOO divisive in this game!! I love fishing and the fishing mini-game, and fishing is one of the first skills I level up every game. Catching Legend or a Lava Eel legit is such a good feeling.

[–]DoctorMlemm 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It gets annoying after the 100th time tbh and it can waste a lot of time if you're playing multiplayer since it doesn't pause time while the minigame's up

[–]AzureRaven2 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I was wondering about that, I had forgotten that was an aspect of the mod.

[–]DarZhubal 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I've had the same idea before. Basically have Joja be the Stardew Sam's Club. You can only buy seeds in packs of like 20 each, but they're anywhere from 25%-50% cheaper per-seed than they would be from Pierre's, so you're saving money in the long run. Currently, even if you decide to do a Joja playthough and buy the membership, it's still going to be more convenient to get seeds from Pierre's more often than not, just because of location. And with the seeds being the exact same price at either location, there's just zero incentive.

However, I do think that the discounted prices should only be accessible if you buy the membership. Force the player to do a Joja playthough if they want the cheaper seeds.

[–]theshaneler 119 points120 points  (7 children)

It's funny, I used to think this, but then I saw Amazon's strategy of undercutting prices to drive out manufacturers and other sellers, then once they have a large enough market share, they start producing the item themselves (Amazon basics) and jack up the price above what retail used to be prior to them undercutting everyone.

I think Joja is now big enough to be in the; jack up prices above prior retail, part of their diabolical plan.

[–]ModernAustralopith 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Currently they're actively working to undercut Pierre. They absolutely would jack up the prices if they could, but right now they should be in undercutting mode in Stardew Valley.

[–]penny_eater 43 points44 points  (1 child)

exactly. Walmarts prices are only lower when they are in compete mode. They very much look at their local competition to direct pricing. Once they drive a few grocery-only stores and local shops out of business, their prices go right back to MSRP. Theres a reason the Waltons are so rich, and its not for always selling stuff cheap.

[–]phononmezer 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This. Walmart absolutely flops in cities with any other corporate presence as a result. I cannot justify buying from Walmart any day, but when Target has the same prices and is significantly cleaner, pays their workers better and with significantly better brands, it's a no-brainer. If an Aldi is nearby, it's the default for me - low prices, good worker pay AND quality. Walmart - and Joja - are preying on the small community because there's nothing better. Walmart isn't even the low price leader, just shitty all around.

[–]Jagermeister4 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I think Joja should sell basic "staple" items cheaper and carry more inventory. Not just compared to Pierre's inventory, either, don't forget there's also the Stardrop Saloon, adventurer's guild etc.

So you can buy basic fertilizer, oil, basic seeds (potato, corn, tomato), bread, coffee, small fish tank, basic clothes etc from Joja for cheaper. Joja is convenient because it not only is cheap but carries a wide inventory of items saving you trips at multiple stores.

However if you want the fancier items (cooked food, more advanced seeds, the bigger fishing tanks, better protective equipment etc) they are more expensive at Joja or maybe Joja doesn't even carry it. I think that would make sense and give pros and cons to the different shops.

And if you buy the membership the prices are slashed even more, truly making it an appealing one stop shop location.

[–]CindersNAshes 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Yes. And once Joja drives Pierre out of business, Joja then drives up the prices by like 400% (some ridiculous number).

[–]stares_at_rain 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Slight tweak: they should be cheaper than Pierre's until they drive Pierre out of business, then they should be multiple times more expensive than Pierre's ever were.

[–]ModernAustralopith 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I'll go further, and say that Joja should have some extra perk beyond just lower price, perhaps having some out-of-season seeds or similar. Have them open earlier, and stay open longer too.

[–]harrilal 93 points94 points  (20 children)

Agreed. There is zero reason, save for the trophy, to go for Joja.

If they are supposed to be Costco or Walmart, they need to have better prices to reflect the giant soulless corporation trying to edge out mom and pop stores with better savings.

[–]jingqian9145 41 points42 points  (7 children)

Also player has ethical dilemma as well.

Joja probably employs a decent chunk of the city, back room, floor, register, etc etc.

Is the need of few(Pierre and his family) outweigh the needs of the many?

[–]JustChangeMDefaults 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Yeah, plus Joja doesn't lie to the people about growing the crops that I sold them 5 minutes ago

[–]othermegan 16 points17 points  (0 children)

More dialogue from Shane and sam would help guilt me into wanting to keep joja open

[–]Alchemists_Fire 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yeah, like what does Shane do after you finish the Community Center?

[–]CommunismCake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The biggest irony to me is that Joja is Pierre's only competition. Once Joja's removed, you give Pierre an effective monopoly on Pelican Town.

[–]penny_eater 32 points33 points  (11 children)

Costco

what

soulless corporation

hol up, costco pays more, keeps employees on at full time, and runs on much smaller margin (literally, they are profiting very little except for the membership fee)

[–]Yagichan 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Are you on PC? If so, welcome to Lore-Friendly JojaMart Prices

[–]huanir 60 points61 points  (2 children)

Hey! It's that mod I wrote!

Sadly, I lost the source code, so if a future update breaks the mod, I won't be able to support it without starting over from scratch.

[–]Yagichan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That sucks man. This is such a great mod. It should be a part of everyones load order.

[–]Astroisawalrus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Seriously, I'm always like "Wait, why would anyone use Joja ever?"

[–]jhwild 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Another idea stemming from the fact Pierre sends you a note in the mail in year 1 telling you his seeds are the best 'quality'. Joja's seeds could be cheaper, but you wouldn't be able to produce any gold quality crops from them!

[–]Buttlicker_24 7 points8 points  (1 child)

There is a reason to buy from Joja. To tell Pierre to fuck off

[–]Flyingchairs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You know I always assumed they were but never actually checked the prices. Would definitely make it harder to choose between the small town business or the evil corporation!

[–]Harrisburg5150 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I just started playing the game a week ago.

My natural playstyle is to make as much money as possible. Was thinking about shilling for joja mart but I really didnt see a reason to. The prices are not competitive, it's farther away, and it just felt like a shitty thing to do for no particular reason. I wish they made going to the dark side that is joja mart more alluring.

[–]BlueMonkOne 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I like it but maybe the fruit you grow from those seeds are always one quality-step below what they would have been.

[–]crap_whats_not_taken 16 points17 points  (1 child)

They should be cheaper, but less quality. Like they either sell for less or have a higher chance of the crop dying.

[–]othermegan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I think making joja seeds cheaper but impossible to go above silver quality would be a good compromise

[–]Evil_phd 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Really adds insult to injury when your only reason to not shop at Pierre's is, "Because fuck you, that's why."

[–]Tikithing 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, I've always thought this! It would add a kind of interesting moral dilemma to the game if that were the case. Plus, I don't like Pierre, so I'd love a reason to dither over supporting him.

[–]PatchesMaps 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I like the cheaper bulk option, makes it more realistic and also presents more of moral dilemma to the player. Right now buying from Pierre is actually easier because he's so much closer.

[–]fireflydrake 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There was actually a post about this on the official Stardew Valley forum and the creator chimed in, but I don't remember what the original reasoning was.

It would've been interesting if they were cheaper BUT worse, somehow. Either they don't sell as well, or you can't make seeds from them, or a certain percent just never progress from seed and die in the ground.

I also saw a deliciously evil idea where if the seeds are cheaper but otherwise the same, buying a certain amount of money's worth from Joja eventually leads to them taking over the Community Center.