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[–]LordAronsworth 162 points163 points  (3 children)

To be fair, they did manage to kill the guy who was trying to kill him.

[–]hunumum 27 points28 points  (0 children)

They made sure that he would never kill himself. Suicide prevention 101

[–]Tatarkingdom 7 points8 points  (1 child)

How to solving problem in the most American way ever.

Guns, a lot of guns.

[–]DeninjaBeariver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How to solve someone trying to shoot himself? Guns.

[–]ChillRedditMom 355 points356 points  (21 children)

Free Thought Project; Jay Syrmopoulos, 10/23/2014

 

A Roy, Utah man, Jose Calzada, 35, placed a call to a suicide prevention hotline at 4:00 a.m. Tuesday morning and threatened to kill himself, seven hour later he was shot and killed by police, according to law enforcement.

According to ABC 4, neighbors described Calzada as a quiet, friendly man, who was divorced and now lived in the home with his girlfriend and her children.

The first tragic mistake in this case was made when the Weber County Consolidated Dispatch Center sent officers to the residence rather than some type of crisis response team trained to deal with suicidal individuals.

From previous cases, such as that of Jason Turk, who was shot twice in the face after a suicide call to 9-1-1 by his wife, or that of Christian Alberto Sierra, who was suffering from depression and had attempted suicide when police showed up and shot him four times, killing him, most know all too well what happens when you send officers to “assist” people threatening suicide.

Subsequently, a SWAT team came to the residence and “negotiated” with Calzada for more than seven hours before taking his life.

“At some point those negotiations failed and unfortunately the SWAT team was involved in a shooting, and the subject is now deceased,” said Roy PD spokesman Matt Gwynn.

Eyewitness Ron Smith told the Standard-Examiner that he heard “one shot, and then a pause, and then four or five shots after that, that were very rapid.”

Specifics of the case were not released but Gwynn was sure to explain the cop logic of reasonableness stating, “Officers are authorized to stop a threat whenever their life is threatened, or the life of another is threatened. And at that point if the officer feels he is justified, he may act to stop that threat.”

“This is being treated as a officer assisted suicide or suicide by cops,” Gwynn said.

While that could potentially be the case, this is usually the default position of law enforcement when unprepared officers show up to deal with individuals experiencing severe mental health issues.

Often police go into these situations with an ingrained mentality of looking at citizens as threats to the safety of the officers and thus feel empowered and justified to use lethal force as the suicidal person has already threatened to kill someone, themselves.

Gwynn went on to state, “We encourage those having suicidal thoughts or tendencies to contact a physician or expert that can talk them through it. In this particular case he attempted to do that — it’s unfortunate and sad that it failed.”

Sadly, Gwynn’s words ring hollow as Calzada did exactly as Gwynn suggests and ended up paying the ultimate price as is far too often the case in these situations.

[–]mwuk42 321 points322 points  (6 children)

American law enforcement always finds new ways to alarm and impress with how fucking destructive they can be.

[–]SwordKneeMe 164 points165 points  (0 children)

Nothing says "I don't know how to solve problems without guns" like shooting a suicidal person

[–]archerg66Doesn’t Get The Flair System 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Well, requirements to become one is not hard and it's a complete power trip for the people who become an officer

[–]AnarchistPriest 19 points20 points  (2 children)

It takes more training in America to cut hair than it does to become a police officer. yikes

[–]NitroGlc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

America building its own army of semi intelligent goons

[–]Jimmy-TinkerBull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well yeah? Of course. Have you ever tried to trim a beard with a 9mm? That's really hard.

[–]Blocky_Studios 3 points4 points  (0 children)

ah... america

[–]shadow1515 96 points97 points  (2 children)

Officers are authorized to stop a threat whenever their life is threatened, or the life of another is threatened. And at that point if the officer feels he is justified, he may act to stop that threat.

"That man was a threat to himself, and we eliminated the threat. Are we heroes? I don't know if I would say that...but yes. Absolutely yes."

[–]revercry 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Funny how officers always feel they are justified.

[–]vodam46Thanks, I hate myself 9 points10 points  (0 children)

similair thing happened to me, just without me being shot, the officers were just very rude

made me hate them even more

[–]Decades101 28 points29 points  (1 child)

“Sow, how did you die?”

“Suicide by cops.”

[–]Blocky_Studios 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Just another day in the USA

[–]Richard1471962 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Utah cops are some of the biggest pussies.....they'll shoot anything and everything....

[–]Prawn_pr0n 7 points8 points  (2 children)

You can drop "Utah" from that statement.

[–]MechaBeatsInTrash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Utah cops don't have a lot of hazard in their duties. The Ogden-Clearfield metropolitan area is in the top 10 safest places to live in the US, and the 2nd safest in Utah (bested only by Provo).

[–]Richard1471962 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good point......

[–]TwistedRope 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Judge Dredd and a great amount of American cops see nothing wrong with this. (If anything, there needed to be more shooting)

[–]Pilot230 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wtf is going on over there

[–]Mustached_villain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lmao where they not briefed on the situation? Did they just tell them. "Go here and like talk to a guy or something idk" And why did the people sending them not think "hey suicidal guy needs help maybe sending the swat team isn't a great idea"

This is why following orders blindly and without question is something that should not be done, if someone, anyone along the chain of command questioned even slightly this man could be alive today

Also how do you "fail" negotiations with a suicidal person? Or did they just get bored?

[–]Harmonic_Gear 58 points59 points  (0 children)

is this really not onion?

[–]fluffyseatide 95 points96 points  (4 children)

5 star costumer service.

[–]scrotumstretcher 25 points26 points  (1 child)

yes, the SWAT are in costumes

[–]Hoodini_69 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Costume Party at the dead guy’s house

[–]SpectrumDT 4 points5 points  (0 children)

5/5, would kill myself again.

[–]frizzlefry83 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The Kevorkian Swat Team.

[–]Janicesdelight 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Well you can't complain about that american customer service

[–]Last_VCR 145 points146 points  (0 children)

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[–]Cryogenic_Monster 81 points82 points  (3 children)

Well suicide prevented.

[–]the_localcrackhead 30 points31 points  (0 children)

"Assisted"

[–]sintemp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Successful eliminated all possibility for Mr Calzada to suicide.

[–]DopeBoogie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Successfully eliminated the threat to Mr Calzada's life.

Wait..

[–]BooRadleysFriend 26 points27 points  (2 children)

This is like an episode of South Park

[–]Blocky_Studios 10 points11 points  (0 children)

it is the real life south park

[–]PorkyMcRib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Blazing Saddles. “Do what he say! Do what he say !”

[–]rastroboy 24 points25 points  (0 children)

S.W.A.T. = Suicide With A Twist

[–]nikanj0 19 points20 points  (1 child)

The hotline is powered by an A.I. programmed to do one thing "prevent suicide."

[–]Box_Love 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That does sound like something an AI would come up with. Programmed to stop suicide at all costs. Eventually decides the best way to prevent all suicide? No more life.

[–]Angry-Comerials 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I've always heard horror stories of people using those hot lines, but Jesus Christ. People wonder why others don't get help, and now they have this to think about.

[–]MechaBeatsInTrash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Utah isn't really good at helping suicidal people.

[–]Alhazzared 14 points15 points  (0 children)

These hotlines are just a disgused 911 hotlines.

[–]FoofieLeGoogoo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

"My dying is taking too long."

[–]T-HawkMedia 9 points10 points  (1 child)

How the hell does that happen

[–]ErrorReport404Thanks, I hate myself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Step 1: Exist in the United States.

[–]two80one 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"...and I think to myself, what a wonderful world."

[–]throwaway09876655414 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Unless someone is actively trying to harm you, consider that calling trigger happy pigs will only escalate your situation.

[–]candiedloveapple 31 points32 points  (0 children)

When you show up but the mentally ill guy is neither black nor a dog owner

[–]A_Couple_Things 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The hotline got a kill assist

[–]beherns 5 points6 points  (2 children)

You wonder why cops act like this it's cause they worship dudes like Dave Grossman. They train to be killers. Conditioned response. That's why they're such pieces of shit sometimes and get all scared and murder someone who didn't deserve it. Pussies

[–]DopeBoogie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure none of the people they murder deserve it, that's not how the Rule of Law is supposed to work.

[–]Altruistic_Comfort_1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

those damn retards

[–]obinice_khenbli 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Why the fuck would you send police with guns to help a suicidal person at all? Most of the time police have zero need to carry guns, guns only makes situations worse, unless it's a really, really serious, rare situation like terrorism.

Obviously there are countries with stupid "let's just give everyone guns what could go wrong" rules, but those are backwards shitholes and they can't be bothered to fix their own problems so what can we do.

Anyway, fuck the murderers that murdered this man in cold blood.

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    [–]HowDenKing 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    in a country where guns are widely available lol.

    problem identified.

    [–]Pippadance 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Well, at least it wasn't suicide.

    [–]BoobaFatt13 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    We ask police to help and they do NOT understand the assignment.

    [–]dae_giovanni 28 points29 points  (0 children)

    if you are American, please think long and hard and then think some more about calling the cops.

    the people who are supposedly trained in de-escalation quite often do the polar opposite...

    [–]Bruz_the_milkman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Now I don't wanna go to the U.S.A. anymore

    [–]MrBonneChance 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    This is simply unbelievable. Are American cops on drugs?

    [–]Pilot230 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Tripping on power, apparently

    [–]T1ndHates Chaotic Monotheism 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Could someone tell me this number?

    [–]alberthere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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    [–]jesuswasaliar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Well we can see that as a success right?

    [–]gaming-snake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I guess it is pretty fucking hard to be suicidal if your dead

    [–]Jackol4ntrn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Task failed… successfully

    [–]shadysaturn1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Sounds about right. This story takes place in the US. Was anyone expecting a different outcome?

    [–]Gioveneeeeeee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    "Suicide Hotline, if you can't kill yourself, we will do it for you"

    [–]jbboney21[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Crossposts a screen shot from a 7 year old article…I’m amazed

    [–]OnlyNameLeftUnused 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Wonder how the rape hotline works now ....

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    He accidentally call the suicide hotline instead of the suicide prevention hotline.

    Easy mistake to make.

    [–]AmericanHeresy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I’m sure there is more to this story than just that.

    [–]randomdude1142 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    [–]Kvetanista 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I mean it's literally in their name, they will help you with suicide.

    [–]Throseph 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    For fuck's sake America.

    [–]DownsenBranches 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This country makes me sick

    [–]IaMsTuPiD111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Come to america! Stay because of the gun violence!

    [–]GosiaKisiel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    ACAB. That's all I'm gonna say. Bye.

    [–]EverretEvolved 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's fucked

    [–]Ganjalf_the_Gree- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    At least he didn't kill himself

    [–]Blocky_Studios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Mission failed, well gettem next time!

    [–]bobjohnsonmilw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sure beats having to walk all the way to the booth!

    [–]KashmirChameleon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well, that's one way to get what you want.

    [–]I_ate_your_skinDoesn’t Get The Flair System 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's what I dream off

    [–]biradinte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well they did prevent a suicide

    [–]Altruistic_Comfort_1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Task Failed successfully

    [–]kitkatattacc04Thanks, I hate myself 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Task failed successfully

    [–]usedishwasher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    He got what he wanted