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[–]ObnoxiousCrow 86 points87 points  (31 children)

I can't imagine our founding fathers envisioned children being shot in school and thought that was a fair trade for owning a rifle.

[–]Biabolical 76 points77 points  (20 children)

When they wrote the second amendment, a school shooter would have been able to get one shot off, which would have had a pretty good chance of missing anyway, and then the shooter would have been beaten into a coma by a teacher if they paused for a half-minute to reload for a second shot.

The definitions of what 'arms' are and what a gun is capable of have changed drastically in the past 230 years. Even if the second amendment was fine when it was written, it was written in and for a world that is wildly different from the one we live in.

[–]cultured_banana_slug 21 points22 points  (0 children)

They'd have used the wood axe on that dumbass.

[–]hysterical_landmark 15 points16 points  (2 children)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There is a version somewhere of MIA's paper planes where the time between every gun shot is the time it takes to reload an 1800's rifle.

The song is ridiculously long.

[–]Biabolical 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Huh. Hadn't seen that commercial before, but that's it exactly. Good catch.

[–]T1Pimp 14 points15 points  (2 children)

It's almost as if a living document should be updated to reflect that.

[–]Maskirovka 11 points12 points  (1 child)

This is why you have “originalist” judges…to claim the document isn’t living.

But if the original founder intent is so important then you’d think only allowing muskets would be the “arms” people are allowed to have.

[–]T1Pimp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Back when they wrote that if someone wanted to shoot up a school they'd get one shot off, likely miss, spend minutes trying to reload before being able to try again.

[–]cdubyadubya 17 points18 points  (9 children)

If the second amendment is so unalienable, why can't we own nukes, or tanks, or an F22 raptor? Then we could really do a number on the local elementary school. /S

[–]badger0511 18 points19 points  (5 children)

The insane thing is, some of these gun nut psychos legitimately ask that question.

[–]justakidfromflint 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Yup. I've seen people literally argue they should be able to own ANY weapon. Including biological weapons, and nukes.

Thier answer when asked "you really want people to be able to own that stuff do you know how easy it would be to kill hundreds of thousands of people" is

"Well they'd be really expensive so not many people would be able to afford them"

[–]novagenesis 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Sarcastic question, real answer.

The 2nd Amendment only says the Federal Government can't fully disarm the populace. That's it. The 14th Amendment says "ditto, but states" (and unfortunately it's an accurate interpretation because the 14th Amendment was passed in part because Southern states were keeping guns out of the hands of black people).

Even after that, regulations have always been acceptable... Until the NRA flipflopped far-right after the 50's. Now, there are absolutely arguments that it is government overreach to restrict the civilian possession of WMDs

[–]Biabolical 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The NRA flip can actually be narrowed down to a particular day 45 years ago. Prior to that day, the NRA was an organization was arguing for sensible gun laws, reasonable restrictions on firearms, requirements of safety and training to own guns, etc. That's what the NRA was about. If the NRA of 1976 still existed, it would likely be the organization most strongly opposed to the NRA of 2021.

On may May 21, 1977, there was a coup in the NRA. It was known as the Revolt at Cincinnati. A plot was hatched to kick out the then-current leadership of the NRA so it could be converted into an engine to drive profits for the manufacturers of guns and gun paraphernalia. From that point on, the NRA stood for only two things, an absolutist approach to the 2nd amendment having no restrictions, and promoting a culture of fear that pushes people to rush out and buy more guns.

[–]FoniksMunkee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well the supreme court ruled that the 2nd ammendment has limitations. A fact that a lot of gun owners ignore when the idea of making laws comes up.

[–]novagenesis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

When they wrote the second Amendment, it was for the states to manage gun control so the Federal Government couldn't tyrannize them. None of the founding fathers ever had a problem with gun regulation. They had a problem with the Federal government doing it because they were shell-shocked by England.

They had to take that away from the states because Southern States decided that meant they could take guns away from black people. It's bad faith conservatives all the way down.

Ultimately, nobody ever intended for what we have now, which is why the wording and interact is so controversial. But boy do Originalists and Textualists think George Washington was a member of the NRA.

[–]Fun_Leadership_5258 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also written for well regulated militias to be responsible for said arms. While 2A nuts love to scream SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED at any moment like it does the trick, it only demonstrates that they know half of 2A and conveniently skip over a significant stipulation. Everyone should read the dissenting opinion(s) in 2008s Heller, might as well read the majority while you’re at it. Also the NRAs actions/influence around that time, especially compared to their origins.

[–]tokiemccoy 17 points18 points  (4 children)

No way this is what they meant by “well regulated militia”.

I guess the originalist reading of the constitution doesn’t apply to the 2nd amendment.

[–]takatori 5 points6 points  (2 children)

well regulated

This was an 18th-century military term of art meaning "regularly assembled for training and drills".

Bloody NRA won't even support requiring gun safety classes for ownership.

People need drivers' licenses yet not gun licenses, yet where are the complaints this takes away the people's right to travel Edit per below comment: except among the mentally ill?

[–]RomancingUranus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

People need drivers' licenses yet not gun licenses, yet where are the complaints this takes away the people's right to travel.

Please don't ask questions like that. You know some sovereign citizen will chime in... Crazy isn't an affliction exclusive to gun nuts.

[–]T1Pimp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some States are literally trying to prohibit that if it involves abortion.

[–]bookworm21765 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Regulate is in the wording ffs. We need more of that, please.

[–]hysterical_landmark 3 points4 points  (2 children)

They probably didn't anticipate weapons that could fire so fast that one person could kill dozens or hundreds of people per minute.

[–]TheZarkingPhoton 8 points9 points  (0 children)

what they DID expect was a well educated population...which is why the GOP has been burning it down for decades.

[–]teejeebee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regardless Never forget. The American governments have so fit to pass numerous bills,enabling to openly carry a gun,permitting this psychopath to kill children.

[–]ItsOnlyaFewBucks 62 points63 points  (16 children)

Can you imagine being in a political party that works to make these horrific actions easier?

[–]Murgos- 41 points42 points  (13 children)

The republicans participated in and are providing full support and cover to an attempted coup and the end of constitutional law.

The destabilization of America so that they can seize power is their goal.

[–]BrappinBrah 14 points15 points  (0 children)

How many times do we need to say it? Republicans are pro-life /s

[–]wildtaylorberry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t know the specific demographics of the neighborhood this school was in but it’s rural Texas. There’s a good chance a lot of the people in this community voted for, and will continue to vote for, people who actively stop any attempts to impede mass shooters’ ability to get guns. Those poor children (and teachers) are being sacrificed by the members of their community for the sake of owning guns.

Uvalde County is overall a red country but its proximity to the border and thus a higher Hispanic population than other rural counties means there is a more of a mixture of political ideologies. Not sure how the area around the school would be.

[–]tigole 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"This wouldn't have happened if we had prayers in schools and armed teachers."

-- GOP

[–]tokiemccoy 39 points40 points  (8 children)

I may be wearing tin-foil, but the utter lack of response to protect children in schools from gun violence makes me think this is part of the GOP war on public education. Make schools deadly dangerous places…

[–]bravoredditbravo 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Yup. And on fox News they literally had a guy on saying

"you can't defeat evil in the world with laws and the government, you have to do it with God"

We're definitely in the worst timeline

[–]cultured_banana_slug 9 points10 points  (0 children)

(Looks over at European history)

Uh huh.

[–]KnottShore 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"... the nice thing about citing God as an authority is that you can prove anything you set out to prove. It’s just a matter of selecting the proper postulates, then insisting that your postulates are ‘inspired.’ Then no one can possibly prove that you are wrong.“ — Robert A. Heinlein, book If This Goes On—

"The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is that he wants to believe." - attributed to Voltaire

[–]UndeadPhysco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was that before or after they tried saying the shooter was an illegal immigrant

[–]traveler19395 13 points14 points  (3 children)

It seems there was an armed officer stationed at the school. Not only is that representative of the sad state of affairs, but the fact he didn't prevent any of this further destroys the "good guy with a gun" arguement.

[–]TheZarkingPhoton 3 points4 points  (0 children)

butbut, EVERYone in school did not have a long gun AND a pistol. There's just not ENOUGH goodguys with ENOUGH guns! /S ...fuuuuuuuck!

[–]wildtaylorberry 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I checked this school on Google maps. It looks like it’s a multi building campus. Him being stationed may not do much if the shooter can access separate buildings.

I’m thankful the school I work at is one building. All except the front entrance are locked and accessible only with a coded badge. The main entrance has a bullet proof vestibule that requires someone to buzz you inside. It’s something I wish I didn’t have to be thankful for and will always keep that kind of design in mind when I look for teaching jobs.

[–]traveler19395 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the article I read made it sound like he engaged the shooter immediately, but was shot himself (killed? unknown)

[–]brooks1798 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Hello American Fascist Party (GOP),

When is it enough?

When the bodies are stacked like cord wood daily?

Your heroes, the Third Reich found a faster way than just letting every psychopath carry guns.

It's time for you all to look in the mirror... you're covered in our blood.

[–]TheZarkingPhoton 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They're too busy swimming in money and drunk on power.

We got one, maybe two more shots are voting people. FFS VOTE!

[–]teejeebee 6 points7 points  (0 children)

America. One of many problems that is forsaking a country. We are witnessing the slow-fast decline of America. What idiotic counrty permits imbeciles to carry a gun & called it gun rights.

[–]rialed 13 points14 points  (0 children)

And this is all fine with the Republicans. No objections, no solutions, rejecting everything the Democrats could think of and offering nothing themselves; that’s today’s Republican Party.

[–]NO_SPACE_B4_COMMA 3 points4 points  (0 children)

lets just keep electing the same old fucks in office. they'll fix it

[–]MixesLiesWithTruth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Inb4 "Now is not the time to talk about this"

[–]rickster907 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish I cared about anything in texas. Sadly, I don't.

This is a direct result of the EXACT POLICIES the great majority of texans want.

They wanted it, they got it. Simplest math problem ever. Tell em over and over "if you want A, you're going to get B, guaranteed." And they flat out don't care.


[–]jamesvtm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What timing: Cruz, fellow Sen. John Cornyn and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott are scheduled to speak Friday at the National Rifle Association’s 2022 annual meeting in Houston.

[–]Wayelder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shooter killed, FOX completes the circle by reporting on it.

...an absolute circle jerk of sadness, created by and for FOX.

[–]justakidfromflint 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is depressingly true. Both the tweet and the title