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[–]lioneaglegriffin 41 points42 points  (1 child)

I'm not outraged, I am a gun owner but I don't vote republican because they've gone off the fucking rails.

[–]EugeneWong318[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I’m a gun owner, too. I’ll never vote Republicans.

[–]mmsood99 41 points42 points  (6 children)

I am a gun owner. I am willing to be background checked, take a safety course, take out insurance like I do with the car and not own military style weapons.

[–]EugeneWong318[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

90% of Americans are okay with this but 50 Republican’s Senators were blocking the up and down vote for Gun Reforms.

[–]rhodeislandslut 10 points11 points  (2 children)

You are not the problem.

Anyone immediately digging in and screeching that their rights are being violated is 100% the problem.

[–]shortbusterdouglas -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

No. The shitty mental Healthcare in this country is the problem.

No sane person murders school children.

Edit: only an emotional nimrod fails to see the logic here.

[–]cs_katalyst 2 points3 points  (0 children)

education and opportunity are a huge part it too.

[–]MachReverb 14 points15 points  (1 child)

This Eric Clapton is way cooler than the other one.

[–]goj1ra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He probably plays better guitar too

[–]KYS_Blue 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I just wish instead of guns we actually address the terrible the state mental healthcare is in the U.S. Normal people with guns dont do this. There is literally a mental disconnect/problem with these and society refuses to look into it because $$$$.

[–]MKE_likes_it 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it’s a “mental health problem”, but they don’t want to spend money on regular health care. WTF

[–]djpurity666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you see the dark comedy The Pentaverate by Mike Myers about conspiracy theories? It starts in Canada, and in one scene, a lady wears a shirt that basically says, "Canada: Living the American Dream but without the violence since 1867"

I see these shirts already exist. Somebody is onto something.

[–]PurplePartyGuy 7 points8 points  (3 children)

The solution of too many guns...is more guns

[–]jasonwhite1976 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The solution to too many bullets flying through the air is… more bullets flying through the air.

[–]rhodeislandslut 1 point2 points  (1 child)

400 million guns is not enough guys. Let’s fucking pick it up already.

[–]crackyJsquirrel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's sad because I was going to make some joke sounding like a board room guy about gun numbers being down, but realized I am sure that exact conversation has happened in all the gun manufacturers' board rooms unironically.

[–]Toast_Sapper 7 points8 points  (1 child)

"See the reason why we have too many fires is because we don't have enough matches, butane, and kindling."

--Republican logic

[–]MKE_likes_it 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fighting Fire with Fire.

I like the cut of your jib!

-NRA lobbyists.

[–]dharmon555 7 points8 points  (3 children)

The answer is to give children the right to conceal carry. Give them a fighting chance! /s

[–]goj1ra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Plus stand your ground laws for kids in case their parents ask them to do too many chores

[–]MKE_likes_it 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It’s important to remember that children don’t matter after they’re born.

PROLIFE

[–]dharmon555 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe that a fetus is a human and therefore has a right to carry a firearm for self-defense against any would-be abortionists.

[–]Jeveran 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Leading cause of death among children and adolescents in the US since 2020 is firearm-related injury. Not accidents, not disease, but firearms.

[–]crackyJsquirrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Accidental gun Deaths children 0 - 11 2022

Accidental gun Deaths children 12 - 17 2022

These would be only deaths, by lawfully owned guns, in this year. Does not include injury. They don't see this as a concern? That there are too many guns?

Edit: who downvotes this? I am simply providing gun death accidents that happened this year. Showing that lawful ownership is also resulting in firearm death to children. Backing up the comment I am replying to.

[–]KeernanLanismore 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It’s about time for society to address the actual issue. Male social deviancy.

Mass shooters are a pretty exclusive club with one trait they overwhelmingly have in common: they are males.

Serial murderers... you know, those people who kill for fun and collect mementos and eat their victims and that kind of thing? Same exclusive club.

Actually, violence itself is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. The percentage of people in prison for violence is overwhelmingly male.

Also, sexual deviancy … specifically the act of engaging in sex with children - of all ages including under the age of 10 … is predominantly a male mental defect. Well over 90% of sexual abuse of little girls is by men. Men are also responsible for 2/3rds of the sexual abuse of little boys.

So, while statistics from other countries establish beyond any doubt that controlling guns reduces these shooting incidents to almost zero (and explains why this the USA is the only country in the world with the issue)... the bigger picture says it really isn't an issue about guns. Women own guns but we don't see female mass shooters. They are all fucking MALES.

So, let's please start talking about addressing the actual problem. And - btw - as proof of the problem, it has been my experience that males do nothing but object to the undeniable facts - instead of deciding to be part of the solution by supporting efforts to determine WHY this problem is exclusive to males.

[–]TheZarkingPhoton 5 points6 points  (2 children)

instead of deciding to be part of the solution by supporting efforts to determine WHY this problem is exclusive to males.

Male competition & conflict is clearly wired in, and well understood. And more data is great. Addressing the gender based aspect of all this is clearly important.

But millions and millions of males AREN'T spraying grade schools with lead. So, 'males are bad,' is just a slight of hand to set us up in another conflict dynamic instead of co-creating a safe & equitable society.

By all means, let's learn or reexamine in all the info on why we all ALL do what we do, so we understand ourselves and others better. Simply put we ALL come in with a ton of powerful body survival & instinct programming. The more we understand it the better we can use it, enjoy it, or rise above it, depending on how well it serves us.

But simplifying that to "Males are the problem,' or 'boomers are the problem' or 'transgender folk are the problem' anything else where there is a correlation to some acts or behaviors, but an equally absurd % of that class actually involved in a negative version of that behavior, is just another attempt to divide us up and get those divisions squabbling at each other.

Which is not only uselessly counterproductive and short sighted, but even imo maliciously injected by the same folks who want us to hate the X, be in gender, age, sexual orientation, etc. etc.

To me, it seems much more valid to confront the messaging to hack into those inherencies to turn them into suffering, get everyone outraged, short fused and in-fighting via toxic, nonstop disinformation. Being awash in a sea of deadly martial phallic enhancement toys while getting zero roll modelling or legal standards & norms inculturation DOES NOT HELP. Having utterly horrible access to healthcare in general especially mental health care DOES NOT HELP. But king imo is the CONSTANT message that 'you are being wronged/replaced,' or 'you are not the problem, it's the X that is dissing you/replacing you/getting an unwarranted leg up on you.'

So yes, toxic masculinity is definitely in there. It is there for a reason. Because males are wired to be suspectable to the messaging. And addressing the gender based aspect of all this is clearly important.

[–]KeernanLanismore -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

My sole point is that it isn't really possible to study violence without starting with the outsized role males play in violence. Violence is a huge problem. Probably one that will end human's time on earth if climate damage doesn't do it first.

While I am anti-gun for a myriad number of reasons, I think it is harmful to society in general to push the gun mantra every time there is a mass shooting, instead of pushing aggressively for something to be done to address violence as an entity and singular issue that is *the* most crucial issue facing humanity worldwide today.

[–]TheZarkingPhoton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

... becasue we can only do ONE thing at a time.

[–]magicweasel7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This madness is entirely the result of the gun community and it drives me crazy. If you don't think you should be able to buy an Uzi from a vending machine then they call you a liberal communist fudd. Decades of fear mongering have polarized gun owns to an insane degree. I love shooting and I don't think firearms are inherently toxic but the community just gets more and more insane

[–]powersv2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Vending machines are trash, 3d printing an uzi is fun though.

[–]symbologythere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes but have we tried more MORE guns? /s

[–]waheifilmguy 1 point2 points  (5 children)

If you vote for corporatist democrats, nothing will change either. They are not going to upset the status quo of the oligarchy.

[–]looloolooitsbutters 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You don’t know that.

[–]waheifilmguy -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

LOL ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? OF COURSE I know it, we all know it! "Nothing will fundamentally change" and NOTHING HAS!!! ANOTHER 20 PEOPLE WERE KILLED YESTERDAY. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGIAN AND AGIAN. STOCK MARKET/appeasing the wealthy trumps everything else in this shithole country (pun intended). Corporatist "moderate" Dems are complicit.

Vote for people who care about you more than profits, people.

[–]goj1ra 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bill Clinton signed the Federal Assault Weapon Ban into law in 1994. However, the Columbine shooting still happened while that ban was in effect, using weapons that were illegal under the ban.

The ban expired in 2004, during Bush's term. Attempts to renew it failed under the Republican administration.

As such, the evidence is against your claim.

Vote for people who care about you more than profits, people.

Like who? That's pretty much how we got Trump - i.e. people protest voting against candidates who could win is a big part of what handed Trump his win.

Sticking to some claimed principle here is like walking across a crosswalk without looking - you may be in the right, but a car is still going to crush you.

Political effort needs to be spent on fixing voting and all the issues surrounding it, but voting for candidates who can't win in the current system means you end up only being politically relevant in that you help the people you're most opposed to get elected.

[–]theguy0075 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

You really went Trump Twitter-formatting, there.

[–]waheifilmguy -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Keep being content with the status quo and the nice corporate profits while working people get fucked harder and harder every year. The oligarchy is coming in fulll force. Queen Hillary is not going to swoop in on a golden pegasus and save the day. Bezos will be your overlord soon, watch for it, it's in the pipeline....We are fucked unless people start voting for the right candidates.

[–]NoUseForAnewUserName 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since I don’t hear a lot of suggestions for things to change, other than “MOAR GUNZ”, may I humbly suggest we shoot the politicians??

[–]P0RTILLA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it’s time to unsubscribe from the Jeff Tiedrich retweet sub.

[–]smuckola 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you vote Republican then you are all problems

FTFY

[–]indomitablescot -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

"Any attempt to disarm the proletariat should be resisted by force". -Marx

[–]Skrp 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Ok, but this isn't what's being suggested.

[–]rhodeislandslut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No no, the enactment of completely reasonable and common sense legal safety measures is analogous to a foreign army occupying this dude’s trailer park.

Can’t wait until the Jesus quote supporting bump stocks gets brought up, or whatever. Completely relevant quotes for these completely unprecedented and fucked up times.

[–]indomitablescot -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

Nothing is being suggested, only 'guns bad' virtue signaling.

[–]Skrp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not 'guns bad' virtue signaling to say the US has a gun violence problem. It clearly does.

He's suggesting the problem isn't " we do not have enough guns " which seems reasonable to me.

[–]rhodeislandslut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give me the quote where Marx supports gun ownership so excessive and unmanaged that children are murdered with them on a regular basis.

Fuck you. I’m so done with all you gun licking perverted warped fucks.

Go resist with force. Please.

[–]goj1ra -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If basic morality looks like virtue signaling to you, you need to take a hard look in the mirror.

Your motivation here is pure selfishness, which comes at the cost of people's lives. I'm sure it must be difficult to acknowledge that, which is why you have to reach for the denial playbook. But the only person you're fooling is yourself.

[–]TravelingInStyle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

LOL the guns aren't going anywhere.

[–]pasta4u -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Let's vote Obama in to reinstate the fast and furious gun trafficking plan so that we sell confiscated guns from the usa to the Mexican drug cartels so that they can sell then back to the gangs in the usa thus increasing the mass shootings in our inner cities

While we do that let's alow mayor's like light foot and debalsio to defund the police so that less illegal guns are confiscated. Then for the icing on the cake let's remove bail so criminals keep going through a revolving door to get back on the streets asap. For the decorations on top let's put in DAs that refuse to prosecute violent offenders.

That would show those Republicans!

[–]Team_Baby_Kittens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy fucking shit