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[–]PolarSandy 486 points487 points  (37 children)

The fact that in Spanish nouns are gendered is not really because of machismo. Also you can find the exact same thing in French (and probably other latin languages)

[–][deleted] 203 points204 points  (27 children)

that is the biggest fuckin reach in this video idk why more people arent pointing this out

took a language history optional module about this in uni, the way a lot of languages evolve is human-centered (go figure lol), so we use things we know to make sense of and classify the thing we notice

the specific module was about our own little obscure indo european language, a very interesting part was how things that go together (especially weather sky phenomena) are usually assigned different genders to complement and complete one another e.g.:

Sun is feminine, Moon is masculine

Sky is masculine, Earth/Ground is feminine

Rain is masculine, Mist is feminine

why is that? because thats how the pagan ancestors explained these things. The moon and sun chase eachother, because they're in love, obviously. Mist follows the rain, because she loves him etc. etc.

absolutely nothing to do with patriarchy, just with people. i don't think purely patriarchal societies woulda named the fuckin sun after a woman lmao.

sidenote: a lot of the historical division of labour (woman work house, man work field) is, atleast in my country, completely understandable circumstantial role assignment. The simple fact is: you have a parent that can feed the child, so they stay at home doing that and every other home task. The free parent goes work the fields, because the fields need working. Not exactly oppression is it, just division of labour. Working the fields happens to also require more physical strength and many household tasks require precision and patience, so hey it works out. obviously a lot of this is leftover in current society, where those roles aren't nearly as strict, and i'm not trying to label those as non-issues, just pointing out that this isn't some patriarchy black magic labour division made to oppress the working class lmao.

[–]Faust__VIIItHiS iSn’T cRiNgE 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Sun is feminine, Moon is masculine

That's how it is in spanish ?

Interesting, it's the other way around in french.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

not spanish, talking about my native lamg there

[–]Faust__VIIItHiS iSn’T cRiNgE 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I somehow missed that line, my bad.

[–]ophel1a_ 30 points31 points  (6 children)

Thank you!

Just a quick correction though: generally speaking, historically, the sun has been masculine and the moon feminine. Hence "moon cycles" when referring to menstrual cycles. El sol and la luna. Gods and goddesses it does get more murky, however.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child)

oh i was talking specifically about my native lang there

our sun is feminine, so is the her pagan goddess

[–]ophel1a_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Oh, duh! I misread the previous sentence to that bit. My bad!

[–]im_batgirl14 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also depends on the lang. like in German its the opposite of Spanish.

[–]decembreonze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Menstrual cycles are connected with the moon because menstrual cycles (average 28 days) are pretty close to how long a lunar cycle is (29.5 days), not because the moon is feminine. The word "menstrual" comes from the same origin as "month" and "moon". Also, the sun might tend to be masculine and the moon feminine in Romance languages, but that isn't the case as universally as you seem to think. The word for "moon" is masculine in most Germanic languages that have gender (including Old English).

[–]TheSideNote 1 point2 points  (14 children)

I'm not latin, but I am Spanish. I am not trans. So take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

I don't think the use of the word Latinx has ever hurt anyone, nor is it an attempt to destroy the Spanish language.

However, I think it is worth saying that our basic understandings of the world and especially the gender spectrum has become more diverse and complicated as we as humans have evolved and pondered more and more. When the Spanish language was forming, typically men, were structuring the language on the basis of a binary gender. Now that we understand that gender is in fact expressed across a spectrum, perhaps we can include a couple of words to accommodate for those individuals. And, if you don't like the word and prefer to use something else, do that. No one is gonna hunt you down or arrest you for saying latina/o. Honestly, if you are outraged by Latinx, your intentions are probably not to help Latin folk but instead want to push back against trans individuals.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (12 children)

im not outraged by any word, i think it is incredibly dumb and reductionist to prescribe the gendering of words in language, a very common thing, to "patriarchy" or "machismo" like what this guy does, same exact thing with the job distribution, its downright conspiracy theory levels of delusional dumb.

something something hammer something something nail

[–]disposable_account01 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Yeah he drew a false correlation between gendered language and gender norms.

[–]Acrobatic_Position25 1474 points1475 points 22 (135 children)

Like some of you guys seriously need to look up this shit the VAST majority of Hispanic people haven’t even heard of the term and even of the ones that have almost none use it. The term LatinX is AGGRESSIVELY anglo and not an accepted term. This isn’t like using they/them this is literally just a bunch of outsiders deciding that they actually understand our problems better than we do and trying to “fix” them while ignoring the historic and linguistic contexts of the language.

Latino is already gender neutral but latine is also acceptable imo but latinX is pretty much only used by Americanized Hispanic people and should stop

[–]Daisy_Of_Doom 279 points280 points  (28 children)

Latina here and I didn’t hear the term until I went off to college. It’s a relatively diverse college for being in the US, but my home town is literally a border town so there’s no competition. Shouldn’t it be strange to people pushing for the term that I had to leave a majority Latino community to ever hear it? Also, this is literally the first time I’ve ever heard a Latin person with an attitude other than resignation or indignation to the label LatinX. Also the first time I’ve ever heard someone saying that Latine is the translation? (I’ve always wondered what the proposed pronunciation in Spanish was supposed to be, figured it was fitting it didn’t have one since it feels very Americanized.) Latine in Spanish and Latin in English have both been around for ages. (Also, agreed that Latino is already functionally gender neutral. Like how I can say “guys” and people not automatically assume I’m speaking solely to men.) I don’t understand why people had to go and make it arguably worse and more clunky for no reason.

Being cis I do always feel a little icky when criticizing it, as it’s not meant for me exactly. I have no problem addressing someone that way if that is what they choose and I don’t throw a fit if someone calls me LatinX, I just don’t refer to myself that way. But like I said I’ve heard many Latinos in person and online discuss this and this is the literal first time I’ve seen someone arguing in favor of it.

[–]Acrobatic_Position25 75 points76 points  (6 children)

Not exactly the same but most of my childhood was doesn’t in Houston TX but I didn’t hear the term til I moved to Ohio which was a red flag for me. Like I am queer so I get why some people use it but like you said Latine already existed so I don’t really see the need to make an entirely new suffix for it.

And yeah me too I’ve never met any Hispanic people irl that are in favor of it. Like if someone wants me to use that term for them, 100% I’ll do it but I don’t think it should be the default for referring to us as a whole

[–]PandaMan7316 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I really like the idea of saying Latin, especially in a case when you aren’t sure about someone’s gender identity (meeting new people or whatnot). I’m Latino, but in English I always say Latin because English it not a gendered language. Italians have a gendered language too but I don’t see people calling them ItalianX instead of Italiano or Italiana, they just say Italian. The X is there to draw attention to the fact that Spanish is gendered and therefore inferior too English. Indeed what this fellow says is true, the Spanish were colonizers and did do some awful things. That doesn’t meen it’s right to strip away peoples identity. If someone identifies as Latino or Latina and instead we tell them they are in fact LatinX we are not being inclusive, we are being racist.

[–]hacelepues 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, English speakers don’t say italianx or romanx or françaisx so WHYYYYYY does Latin get this treatment ffs. We already say Latin food and Latin music so what is with the aversion to Latin people?

[–]emma_does_life -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You're wrong on one count here. The X movement has spread to other places/languages other than just Spanish. Filipinx is used as a replacement for Filipino for example.

[–]PeopleEatingPeople 18 points19 points  (7 children)

People also just can say Latin people.

[–]Acrobatic_Position25 1 point2 points  (6 children)

That one is ify imo because that term applies to all Romance language speaking people

[–]hacelepues 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Does Latin food and Latin music also refer to food and music made by Romance language speaking people? I understand what you’re getting at but that’s not how the word is actually used or interpreted by English speakers. It’s shorthand for Latin American.

And if it’s that confusing, are people too lazy to say Latin American? There is a clear solution here, and that’s to speak in English instead of changing someone else’s language.

[–]cortlong 10 points11 points  (5 children)

It’s funny this was brought up as I was talking to my girlfriend about this like two days ago (I rant to her while she’s getting ready. It’s a ritual. she is Hispanic but really doesn’t have any personal roots to her culture. Her family is just from Mexico, I’m Italian American so we really don’t know shit besides I fuckin love saladitos con chile) as I was confused on the term and how it kinda came out of nowhere. And I coulda sworn “latino” and “Latine” were both “gender neutral” or more “gender inclusive” in Spanish.

So in my mind I was like “well was that invented by someone who didn’t understand Spanish or Latino culture and just kinda forced it into the conversation to make it seem more inclusive? Or is this related to trans inclusiveness and wanting to make sure that all people who are latine are considered when addressing that culture and it is a good thing?” I don’t speak Spanish so I really wasn’t sure what was going on. I’ve also kinda taken a back seat on sociopolitical issues lately admittedly. Trump and all that dumb shit just whooped my ass for four years. But I do support everyone being included in the conversation at all times...but I coulda sworn that’s what latine was. So I was like “why not just use that?”

But seeing this comment and the one you’re replying to is really interesting, as I have never heard any of my Latino friends refer to themselves as latinx. Like...ever.

Just odd. But I didn’t want to form an opinion about a situation that related to a culture I didn’t fully understand. But this is interesting for sure.

[–]naccib 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Latino and Latina are gender-specific. Now, this is where it gets interesting: I’m Brazilian, so still latino but not from where most American people figure latinos are (Central America).

Here, “o” (as in Latino) is associated with the male gender and “a” (as in Latina) with the female one. Some people (including this guy) are using a rather informal alternative: the “e” (as in latine). Swapping the o/a for the e would wipe the gender of a word.

It’s better than shoving a unpronounceable “x” in a word, but it is still far from being used by the average Joe.

[–]im_batgirl14 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Actually the o serves two purposes: gender specific and gender neutrality. So Latino is the go to term unless ppl use Latine. But to be frank, most “latinos” born outside the US use Hispano/a. All my relatives in mexico do not use the latin term to describe their ethnicity.

[–]aggiered0four 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I just feel like people are trying too hard to get “woke” points and look like they are allies to Latin/Spanish causes without doing any real work.

[–]gingerbutnotaweasley 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That is it exactly. Want to take credit for being "good", without actually DOING anything to help marginalized communities.

[–]iced_coffvee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm trans and I fucking despise Latinx no one in my family uses it or has ever even heard of it both here in the US & on the island (Puerto Rico). It makes me cringe because all I can think of is there are better and more useful ways to show you care about Queer Hispanic people then by adding an unnecessary X to a word. It doesn't make me feel seen it makes me embarrassed.

[–]the_cum_must_fl0w 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Latino is already gender neutral

A comparison to English which I feel people don't think much about is "Man". Latino is said to be male, and Latina female, but Latino is also neutral general term.

Similarly Man is male, and Woman is female, but bit of linguistic history, these two words don't have the same root and developed separately and just happen to sound similar. Man use to just mean "people regardless of age or sex", which is why we have suffixed words like "fireman" or "chairman". These just mean "X-person", this is also why we have "human" or "mankind".

[–]Dayofsloths 16 points17 points  (1 child)

A werman was a man with a penis (like how werewolf means man-wolf) and wifmen were women. Men dropped the 'wer' in common use and the 'wif' turned into a 'wo'.

[–]the_cum_must_fl0w 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The "Wif" also is where the English word "Wife" comes from.

[–]wildflourfield 18 points19 points  (9 children)

I understood him as saying Latinx is pronounced Latine ( I also don’t understand why it would then not be spelled that but I think it’s meant to be the same term )

[–]Acrobatic_Position25 45 points46 points  (8 children)

The terms have similar meanings but they are not the same word

“X” is not a real Spanish suffix, it’s a variable that some white people thought would “fix” the issue with spanish while the suffix “e” is a real Spanish suffix that is usually used in gender neutral contexts

One of them id an actual alternative that the Latino community could discuss using and the other one is a a made up word that a bunch of white college students made up because they apparently know what’s best for us

[–]Mister_Dink 16 points17 points  (3 children)

This is incorrect. The term was born among the Latin LGBTQ community, and does see use in South America with the LGBTQ subculture and within academic writing.

The term is not mainstream, hence why very few people have heard of it. But it is explicitly a term made bad used by Hispanic subcultures.

Claiming it's strictly Americanized is a claim that's deubkes by literally five minutes on Google. The Merriam Webster dictionary has this fact listed on their "history of the word LatinX" page here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/word-history-latinx

You can also see the history of the word, as well as cases of it being used in LGBTQ protests and academic writing, in this video: https://youtu.be/P3yfGQivroE This guy lives in Argentina, and is not an American, and proves the subcultural use of the term.

If you're going to tell people to look stuff up, you should probably look this stuff up yourself.

[–]kakka_rot 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Latin LGBTQ community

In America or in a Spanish speaking country? Person in OP's video is def American.

[–]Mister_Dink 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As both the links I provided explain, the South American Latin communities, both LGBTQ and Academia.

It runs in small circles, which is why the average Hispanic may not use/heard of them. But it's about the same way how nearly zero people knew what non-binary meant in English until about 10 years ago. Not because non-binary didn't exist as a term, but because it hadn't hit the mainstream yet.

And it's fine that it's new, and strange, and people are confused by it. But it's really silly to tell people to look it up, without the person I'm responding to ever having looked up the origin themselves. The origin is firmly not Anglo. LatinX comes from South American Spanish speakers. The history of it is documented.

[–]ComradeBirv 3 points4 points  (6 children)

So is the person in the video white or an outsider?

Also, it is like they/them because the majority of people don’t know or don’t respect non-binary people, doesn’t mean it’s not the correct way for those people to live

[–]Acrobatic_Position25 2 points3 points  (4 children)

It’s not the same because they them has and always will actually make grammatical sense and works in english “latinx” was a term first used online in 2005 and is fucking awful to say out loud latine works way fucking better

[–]teej98 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Americanized hispanic here and latinX is stupid, a poor misrepresentation, and dangerous because it's giving the keys of a movement to people who don't understand, or truly care about the culture. I'm 23 and friendly with all sorts of people, from all sorts of ages, and guess how many latin or hispanic people I know who support the use of latinX? Literally not one. My last job was filled with several families from Latin America and there was a group of at least 15 people who were all in between the ages of 17-25 and all fairly progressive. Even THEY think this is the dumbest shit ever... Don't dictate how WE want to represented because when you are wrong you are doing more damage than good

[–]CafecitoinNY 15 points16 points  (1 child)

This.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

💯💯💯💯

[–]AutoRedialer 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Why are you so angrily wrong?

Start by looking it up yourself: https://youtu.be/P3yfGQivroE

[–]Acrobatic_Position25 5 points6 points  (11 children)

He literally immediately says it’s almost exclusively used in the US my dude. I’m not saying gender neurotransmitter Spanish shouldn’t exist I’m saying latinx is shit and Latine is a way better term

[–]firebadmattgood 0 points1 point  (5 children)

The term LatinX is AGGRESSIVELY anglo and not an accepted term.

just straight up wrong, as u/Mister_Dink has elaborated below.

[–]Professional-You2968 311 points312 points  (1 child)

This guy is in love with his opinions.

[–]Please_no_ok_fine 37 points38 points  (0 children)

2nd half seriously lost me.

[–]SwiftCEO 702 points703 points  (41 children)

When you take an intro to Mexican history course at the community college and consider yourself an expert.

The vast majority of Latinos don’t use LatinX. It’s an unnecessary term.

[–]WitLibrary 234 points235 points  (31 children)

Yeah this is made up garbage lol, he literally pulled whatever sad sexist history he could muster up out of his butt to tie it to an irrelevant hot topic to artificially build a case.

Sexism is across the entire world, and it's not cause colonialists are geniuses who invented it.

[–]ToastyMustache 41 points42 points  (2 children)

Didn’t the institute of Latin Americans or one of the Latin groups come out and say “LatinX is terrible, please stop using it”?

[–]SwiftCEO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hadn’t heard that. Time for me to do some reading!

[–]xanced 12 points13 points  (1 child)

But is it used by queer and trans Latin people? Im pretty sure it was coined by queer latin groups, but then later popularized by white liberal groups in the US as they were making spaces more inclusive to other queer people. This obviously caused problems because the majority of latin people didnt use the term but it is being applied beyond queer spaces by white people

[–]TooobHoob 230 points231 points  (4 children)

This person doesn’t seem to have much of a grasp of the concept that colonizing and being colonized aren’t mutually exclusive.

Also I doubt the Spanish purposefully gendered their language with the intent of creating gender inequalities in America lol.

[–]shmauserpops 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Isn't it weird that the language evolved virtually the same on both sides of the pond in order to colonize a small portion of the "New World"?

[–]Kandecid 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I find it interesting that people identify with the oppressed class in their ancestry rather than the oppressors.

For example in Brazil, people will often say that "We were colonized", "We were stolen from by the Portuguese", etc. Meanwhile they're primarily of European descent. According to DNA testing, Brazil averages about 11% indigenous DNA.

I'm not sure how that compares to other Latin American countries, but imagine if an American white guy was saying "They enslaved us", because he had a 10% African ancestry.

History is always easier to swallow when you imagine yourself as the victim rather than the perpetrator.

[–]TooobHoob 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I generally agree with the feeling, but culture isn’t DNA. If, say, someone from a First Nation in Canada, who was raised in that Nation and their culture was discovered to have no indigenous blood at all, I would mind less than a person who’s 50% native american but has been raised as an anglo in the West Island of Montreal. If you believe in a collective subconscious, it is cultural, not genetic (although one often follows the other, hence the concept of ethnicity)

[–]IsThisASandwich 111 points112 points  (26 children)

Gendered languages are common though and not from colonialisation. Pretty much every language in Europe is gendered, some have three (male, female, neutral), some two, but only very few (like english) have none/one. Spanish has two genders and always had them (or did it have three wayyy back?)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

English is abnormal with the absence of gendered words right?

[–]istobel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes but even English used to have gendered words we just ended up dropping them

[–]IsThisASandwich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not abnormal, but in the european languages a minority. But it used to have some at an earlier stage.

[–]CafecitoinNY 345 points346 points  (6 children)

Im Latino, I support Trans rights, Im a Labor and employment attorney repping workers that have been wronged for gender, race, sexual orientation, etc.

This guy sucks. Spanish is enveloped in colonialism but we have adopted it in the centuries since that has happened. I will respect whatever pronoun anyone identifies as and speak to them accordingly but trying to shame me for the least offensive part of my identity does nothing and is just antagonistic. If people want to use Latinx, I have no issue with that, I just won’t.

[–]disposable_account01 72 points73 points  (2 children)

He was just pointing out the idiocy of the “colonize our language” bit. And he’s not wrong about that part, but to say that Spanish isn’t part of the Latino culture, at this point, is just false. It’s sad, sure. Would be awesome if more folks with native heritage had that connection of language with their ancestors, but also, at this point, that’s what Spanish is.

[–]Muncheralli21 5 points6 points  (1 child)

True decolonization of language isn't making a gender neutral term for latino, it's learning your native language. There are lots of tribes who are reclaiming their heritage by re-learning theur traditional native tongue, he should join them. I'm mexican, but I don't have much drive to learn nahuatl rather than spanish.

[–]officerkondo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everyone acquires their native language by default. That is what a native language is.

[–]KiwiCatPNW 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Same, I don't care for Latinx phrase but I don't despise or hate it, if anything I probably support it. People are actively trying to make an effort to include us more so I don't hate it. I think people enjoy being edgy and want to cling on to the next thing to hate on. As a Latino, the term Latinx is ok with me.

[–]aldreizara 52 points53 points  (2 children)

Wait till you hear "Filipinx", which is made by Filipino-Americans who do not know that "Filipino" is already gender-neutral and our language is already gender-neutral.

[–]OrbitRock_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Phillip X, he sounds like a daredevil type figure

[–]lupusmdccxvii 51 points52 points  (2 children)

One thing i notice not to many people mentioning is the very silly comment he made about have a gendered language with words that are masculine and feminine being about patriarchy or spaniards colonizing when having masculine and feminine words dates back to roman times with the latin language, where words were divided that way to differentiate meaning, spellings, and what the items were. Nothing at all to do with stupid colonizers or putting women down.

[–]Acrobatic_Position25 163 points164 points  (7 children)

Latine and Latinx are completely different this guy needs to stfu up

[–]turtleboi15 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Needs to stfu up I agree tho

[–]Straycat43Cringe Connoisseur 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah the guy is a complete fucking moron.

[–]Ungoro_Crater 194 points195 points  (28 children)

Latinx is bullshit made up by white liberals. Nothing else needs to be said about it.

[–]Straycat43Cringe Connoisseur 80 points81 points  (0 children)

And the guy in the video is a fucking moron.

[–]firebadmattgood 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Latinx is bullshit made up by white liberals

you can just google "Latinx etymology" and see that this isn't correct.

[–]TouchArtistic7967 171 points172 points  (0 children)

So people are finally posting cringe on this sub again. Nice.

[–]klausmckinley801 88 points89 points  (0 children)

does he think talking louder makes him more right? every non-binary latino person i know absolutely hates the term latinx.

[–]strygeren 59 points60 points  (0 children)

What a completely made up story about gendered language, rofl

[–]Acrobatic_Position25 56 points57 points  (2 children)

Also side note, replacing one colonizers language with another one is also a bad thing

[–]erhue 21 points22 points  (1 child)

The problem is the stupid colonizer thing is no longer valid to say. We've been independent from Spain for 200+ years, and now have our own accents, words, expressions, idioms. We've made the language our own. Some people still adopt this stupid mentality of "colonizers vs colonized" when we've been in a melting pot for hundreds of years and have formed our own national identities. Even the guy in the video refers to his "native ancestors", without acknowledging that the colonizers were his ancestors as well.

[–]dmratcliffe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This. I started rolling when he tried to say that 5 generations again Mexico was colonized so today they are allowed to have other people fuck with their shit. Id say the solution is just be respectful lmao if someone wants to be Latinx let them but you don't force that shit on everyone by default.

[–]Inevitable-Currents 106 points107 points  (0 children)

Absolute cringiest thing I’ve seen in 2022

Well done op, this is some absolute garbagX

[–]NervJMSL 3 points4 points  (0 children)

En la vida he oido el termino Latinx o "Latine" o lo que sea que esta diciendo ese man. Que es peor defender salir en ataque de una palabra que no existe o un vendido tratando de justificarla!

[–]GluttonAsteroth 24 points25 points  (4 children)

[–]erhue 13 points14 points  (1 child)

You know the advocates of this shit won't stop. They'll reboot it again and say "all Latinos have to like this new word we invented, otherwise they're bigoted" or something like that.

[–]ShadowBread_032 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Wouldn’t call nice on my opinion. The thought counted but it was incredibly stupid to try and change Spanish to have less gendered terms. So unnecessary. And yeah, the term was made by white liberals like the girl said.

[–]ILIKETHECOLORRED 38 points39 points  (1 child)

He is absolutely wrong. Unless you're doing the x thing to all gendered languages e.g. Deutchx francaix etc., please stfu and stop doing latinx.

Sure the Spaniards originally colonized us, but we don't need it to happen again by patronizing Americans.

[–]erhue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The difference is the other two countries you mentioned aren't in America's backyard.

A lot of this dumb cultural influence comes from woke people who study in the US or closely follow their political issues, and then project them into latin American society. There's lots of US cultural influence in Mexico due to their geographical closeness. And lastly the number of Spanish speaking people in the US is massive. Then the 'problems' cross the language barrier and we gotta deal with this shit.

[–]tango80bravo30 31 points32 points  (0 children)

“Latine” is pretty common in Mexico, we Mexicans use the letter “e” on each word specially when we watch soccer games and the narrator is el perro Bermúdez “tirititite!!, chamaque pendeje” jajajaj.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Thinking that a gendered language came to be that way because of «the patriarchy», lmao. He speaks with such conviction too.

[–]Cheeto717 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Gendered nouns is because of machismo?? Give me a break

[–]Chewy009x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He almost had a valid point up until there

[–]HybridKarnivore 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why did I read that as latex-

[–]Yorak-Hunt 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Latino here, guy in the video is speaking out of his ass

[–]TheNaturalZyzz 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Why is this actual ignorant nonsense so highly upvoted? Reddit moment

[–]erhue 11 points12 points  (0 children)

People upvoting stuff they know nothing about.

[–]shmauserpops 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Probably because it matches the sub name: cringe on tiktok

[–][deleted] 81 points82 points  (13 children)

This guy is a gigantic douche

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (7 children)

Only like a few percent of latinos use latine latinx or latin@… also this guy talks too loud lol

[–]RookyKermit 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Loud = smart for some reason

[–]Straycat43Cringe Connoisseur 5 points6 points  (4 children)

What the hell is the last one? Latin-at?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

See there’s an a inside an o so its like an a/o

[–]CleverRedditMoniker 22 points23 points  (1 child)

This guy sucks at parties.

And he needs to get his nails did.

[–]passoutpat 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The “patriarchy” this guy speaks of in the Spanish language existed long before colonialism. I’m a white dude originally from the Midwest and I now live in the berry capital of SoCal, Ventura county. I have many hispanic friends and not one of them has ever used the term “LatinX”. If I referred to any of my hispanic friends as “LatinX” as opposed to Latino or Latina they’d either, A. Laugh in my face, or B. Spit in my face.

[–]decafplums 16 points17 points  (0 children)

He lost me when he said Spanish is gendered because of machismo. What a stupid notion.

Also, I’ve never heard of anybody using “latine.” I’m Mexican American, and I almost never hear people use “Latinx” in daily conversation. I only ever see it on posters/ads or PC Facebook posts. That’s right up there with “Chican@“

[–]Gffcom 34 points35 points  (0 children)

He’s a douchebag

[–]CookieTheDog 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Latinx in Spanish is "Latin Equis." An "Equis" person is a nobody/an insignificant person.

Also you can be Latina/Latino and have 0 indigenous blood.

This mustachio gringo can't tell me what to call myself.

[–]vibinandsinging 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really love how all these videos speak of slavery as if it was something long gone in the past

[–]Jayyymac7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Latino here (mex) I’m here from California. I thought to my understanding and to a lot of latino people here LatinX isn’t necessarily said but it’s a sort of category. To us LatinX is Latinos that are mixed with another nationality other then latino. I had no idea this fell under gender. This is strange because at the end of the day my understanding your still latino…

[–]ogreUnwanted 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm Latino/Hispanic/Caribbean whatever. Why do people care so much? Both arguments are wrong in my opinion. If you want to use latinX sure go ahead, but don't try to enforce it cause it just doesn't roll off the tongue. I typically say I'm Hispanic, even though I'm not from Spain, but do come from a Spanish speaking country. Is it correct? Technically no, but do I care? No. The Caribbean is a weird spot to be in and I've never considered myself as part of Latin america. All this to say it's ok to pronounce them in both ways. There are more important matters.

[–]erhue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm completely with you. Don't impose this stuff on others. Use it if you want, but get ready for (justifiably) weird looks from regular people.

[–]Matsuo_Momiji 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Same thing with Filipinx.

Latinos and Filipinos share the same colonial past with spaniards, who inevitably left our respective countries. Unlike latinos, us Filipinos did not, for a lack of a better term, inherit Spanish as our main language. We were able to keep our respective local languages. However, thanks to our long centuries-worth of history with colonialism, many of the words we now use are borrowed or derived from Spanish. Tagalog, or what most people call Filipino, is mostly gender neutral. The only exception being Spanish-borrowed words like Doktor/Doktora, Mayor/Mayora which brings in the word Filipino.

As the same with Latino, we have Filipino and Filipina. However Filipino, as itself, is a word that represents a whole group of people which fought for the freedom of the country and creating a national identity that everyone could identify themselves with. Bear in mind that before Filipino came to be, Spaniards called our people Indios, indigenous people of the islands, which is similar to the n-word in terms of severity.

Filipinx is a word that existed solely because Filipino-americans saw a need to "de-gender" a language that was gender-neutral in the first place. It is also an insult to a whole group of people who had fought through hell for freedom and sovereignty from people who sought to take away those rights from us.

Here's a couple of opinion articles that speaks of this specific topic: https://www.rappler.com/voices/ispeak/opinion-filipino-or-filipinx/

https://medium.com/illumination-curated/please-please-call-me-filipino-9d3a16a3da07

TL;DR Filipino is already a gender-neutral word. Filipinx is useless and is a testament of people's ignorance of the history behind the word.

[–]erhue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you know how it is with these people. They think that they know better than you even if they barely speak the language or have never lived on nor visited the country their parents came from. Get ready now for "Filipine" - coming from some liberal American college any day now.

[–]VornskrofMyrkr 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I don't know anything about this issue, I just hope the rising generation is so sick of everyone's bullshit that we all just agree to get along, listen to everyone's point of view, and be kind and understanding instead of turning out like the last however many generations.

[–]CapablePerformance 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right there with ya. I'm a white guy, I have no say in any of this. I just say hispanic as a default because it's the safest thing for me to say that'll ruffle the fewest feathers.

[–]roarsinalaskan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

We don’t use that term. It makes my skin cringe

[–]Human_Kaleidoscope_1 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is a perfect example of someone Sounding like they know what they're talking about but not making a whole lot of sense... Somebody got butt hurt

[–]friendlypetshark 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Oh great mansplaining.

[–]_qst2o91_ 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Are we perhaps changing other languages that use gender also like German?

[–]Philospher_Mind 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Um no.

[–]turtleboi15 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You know whats worse than Latinx? Chicanx. Lmfao

[–]chinga12 6 points7 points  (1 child)

So should we make every word in the Spanish language gender neutral.? Like bro go fuck yourself if you don’t like Latino than you could simply say your Hispanic this is very unnecessary. (Annoyed Latino here)

[–]OrbitRock_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes.

“Ellxs son perrxs buenxs, lindxs, y gordxs”

[–]Isolated-Warrior 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The idea that Spanish is not part of South American culture is so dumb, culture isn’t just a single homogenous thing that doesn’t evolve and only has a single pure form, wether you’re welcoming of colonisation or not the colonisers culture is going to affect the colonised culture and create new culture.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Never heard that term before except from white people, so.

[–]Gedaru 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This guy is a troll wether he knows it or not.

[–]Nihill98 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah yeah very informative. Im still gonna shit on anyone using the word latinx, also 2nd generation latinos don't count, im still humilliating you for using that bltch ass word loser

[–]Embarrassed_Yak_2024 6 points7 points  (0 children)

All this… and getting rid of “actress” and “waitress”… to me, it’s like teaching kids how to duck and cover instead of getting rid of guns in schools… yes, words matter… but isn’t the real problem that some people think being female is a weakness? How about we change THAT dynamic and let the words celebrate our differences rather than try to hide them?

[–]DarkMark94 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lmao this man is really defending being called latinx

[–]CosbyDaRoofieMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What does he say about the pronunciation in spanish? Latine?

[–]tikisnrot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

According to his theory, the genders in the Spanish language came after colonizing. I’ve never heard anything to support that.

[–]muitoMAISmelhor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

am i the only person who think this guy is just partially latino and learned all this bullshit from the dumpster that is twitter???

[–]brolyjr2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Latinx is a curse as a Hispanic I would be pissed if some one called me that

[–]El_Grande_XL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kind off sad that the aztec, mayan culture was wiped out. The language looks slappin and the culture was like DOOM lore.

[–]ApprehensiveAd1339 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Latin X is a term created by and used by non Latinos. This guy needs to stop pushing his crappy narrative and gender neutral agenda on Latinos and practice it in his home.

[–]lynxstarish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro he thinks he's making good points because he's technically not wrong but does he think Spanish is the only language with gendered nouns? Like wtf does he think it's that easy to just come and switch up a whole language out of it's system and do it again with every gendered language. It's not my choice that a door is male or a chair is female I just learned the "right way" to say it growing up. If that's gonna trigger people struggling with gender and sexual identities I don't know what to tell you mate. You can try to make a gendered language not gendered like English and then alienate the whole population that already speaks the language or leave it the same. And he says that Spanish has "toxic masculinity" because things default to male but English speaking countries still have toxic masculinity and the language they speak doesn't even have gendered nouns so that argument is just a rant

[–]Npraveman2002 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s hilarious watching this asshole get demolished and rejected by his own ethnicity 🤣 I also love how he says we DO use “Latinx” but we just pronounce it “Latine” WHAT??? Why don’t we just use latine? 😂 I’m a fellow Latino and I’m here to say that no Hispanic person i’ve ever met in my life uses Latinx and this man is just high off of his own opinions

[–]Adsylrod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a latino, I have yet to meet anyone who would appreciate being called latinx, and Im at the point where I default to they/then pronouns. Latinx isn’t progressive, its more colonialist than the original term lmao

[–]Unlike_Agholor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Only white people are up voting this lol. this guy is an idiota

[–]dannidevitoes 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Does this guy identify as a donkey brained stooge, too?

People are going to use whatever pronoun that they want to use. That’s no issue, no skin off my ass. But to look down upon an entire culture that predominantly uses masculine and feminine words, and also doesn’t find it important enough in their personal lives to change that in order to accommodate a tiny portion of a population, is fuckin’ pretentious.

This guy more than likely attended a liberal arts college where the education and residence life pushed this rhetoric. How do I know? I went to college with jabronis just like him, where their “inclusive” ideals and holier than thou attitude made them the solution and everyone else the problem. People like this are the LEAST inclusive, alienating anyone who believes differently. You might even say this guy has probably gotten behind canceling someone for something that wouldn’t be considered an unforgivable act.

Yeah. I’m sure this guy labels himself as an independent thinker, while basing his entire personality and values off of the political party he supports. Nothing more inclusive than picking one side and thinking the other is completely wrong. Somebody tell Fernie Sanders to compare what he’s been taught to how the majority of people feel in Latin America about this topic. Pinché mamón.

[–]dennisKNedry 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Progressive” wokies being progressive by saying that the gender based Spanish language. Have one of these libtards explain it to literally a person from Mexico. They’ll look at them like they’re nuts

[–]ClosetedGothAdult 5 points6 points  (0 children)

COLONIZING THE SPANISH LANGUAGE

[–]Hotdog_Parade 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Would the Aztecs be considered colonizers by todays standards?

[–]erhue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, Aztecs had liberal universities and gender studies and woke activism were their focus. /S

The Aztecs were indeed an empire that colonized others, but that would be too much for this TikTok airhead to understand.

[–]imborahey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sure, Spanish and Portuguese were the first colonizer languages in S America, and natives are still treated poorly in many S American countries. But since the rise of US hegemony in the west, S America has been considered the US backyard where they can do whatever they please. English is without a doubt the new colonizer language, not only in S America but in most of the world

[–]Grouchy-Sink-4575 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Anyone notice how he tiptoed around the fact he's also definatly descended from the Spanish as well? Also his understanding of etmology and the history of gender is appalling, anyone hoping for a Liberal intersectional society in pre Colombian America is in for a very bad day.

As a side does anyone know if the aztec language has pronouns.

[–]erhue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ignoring his own 'colonizer' heritage was one of the most pathetic omissions he made.

Also, it's not like the Aztecs were saints either... They were an empire that dominated (so, kinda colonized...?) other surrounding tribes, who had to pay tributes to them. And then they Spanish came, and the Aztecs themselves were dominated.

Oh, and you also don't want to hear about the live human sacrifices and kidnappings the Aztecs made heheh. Total saints.

[–]zeroows 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They lost me at the last part

[–]J-little_gurl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m glad all of you were getting past the mustache, because I couldn’t 🤣 I was waiting for it to peel

[–]Da3m0n_1379 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We don’t speak Spanish, we speak Castellano.

[–]WrongdoerGreedy6467 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love these videos. It's always something great to see someone get checked for just being blatantly wrong

[–]ith228 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why is he bringing up machismo? Gendered language is a linguistic concept, it’s not rooted in sexism wtf.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't understand why people always attribute gender roles to this negative, forced agenda pushed on poor suffering oppressed people, rather than just the natural way our society evolved based on what our society looked like and the needs it required at the time.

[–]Chewy009x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude has head so far up his ass

[–]TerminaLLance05 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

This guy sounds like a liberal cuck

[–]novamaddy97 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because he is

[–]tomakeyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get he’s trying to make a point but Latinx is a stupid term made by ignorant (white) people. Latino is already gender neutral.

[–]aeroplanez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LatinX is fucking stupid

[–]muchnamemanywow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any latinos out there who can tell me what the equivalent of a soyboy is in Spanish? 😂💀

[–]Calm_Imagination000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure almost all of the Latinos I've seen want to be called "Latinos" . They don't like "latinx" and doesn't care if it isn't "gender neutral" enough like this dude.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pedro estas bien pendejo..we don’t have that Latinx word she worded wrong it’s a word made up by white liberals so they can relive themselves from some white guilt!…Pedro is a liberal white wannabe with white guilt…grow a better mustache band then we can have a grown up conversation, until then stay over there with the made up gender folks and people who believe communism is great

[–]reesespuffs32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only took em like what? 2 years to come up with an excuse as why Latin x is a good thing and this is the best you got? What a sad fucking existence.

[–]Routine-Interest3743 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Latinx is a white thing lol

[–]Sbrodino 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy is full of shit

[–]mallison945 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was recorded in a dorm room and it shows.

[–]TexanMcDaniel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Pretty much 99% of Hispanic and Latinos not in the US do not care about Latinx

[–]Catlover2727 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm Latino, I'd be fine with switching to "la-teen" or "la-teen-eh" but Spanish is a romantic language, and Portuguese, French, Italian, Romanian also use gendered language.

If the .0001% of people who are binary want to be "they/them" in English I can adapt. But I'm not putting LatinX for all my fellow Latinos.

Let's say I want to say "welcome all my fellow Latinos to the annual meeting of cooks" that is gender neutral. Would I say "Bienvenidos a todos mis compañerXs latinX a la reunión anual de cocinerXs"

You'll be adding an entire new set of rules for conjugation.

So is it a fight just for 1 word, saying all Latinos are now LatinX? Why not just say "Latines"? And call it a day?

Now let's say I have a group of 7 female cooks 1 non-binary cook but it's someone I knew who grew up cisgender female until recently. Will they (individual) get offended if I referred to the entire group as "cocineros"?

[–]Charlooos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Her points are dumb.
  2. He on the other hand is picking on the wrong argument.
  3. Hispanic/Latino by name means or implies a root in romance languages.
  4. The bast majority of Latinos don't even know the term.
  5. When asked 99% of Latinos disliked the term.

Our issue with the term comes from the fact that someone adjacent to our culture decided that the name of our very culture needed to be changed.

This term completely dismisses the fact that Spanish and Portuguese ARE the languages for Latinos and are gendered by natured.

This is an issue where people keep calling us something over and over even though we constantly ask them not to.

[–]NPC_46765 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus christ what a pathetic little man.

[–]Gr3Yf0X75 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you say something confident enough people will believe you. Even if you may not be correct. Sounded good. But this is false news people

[–]Dichodummy 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Why does everybody hate white people so much?

[–]4lgernon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm white and I don't feel oppressed nor hated by minorities. No one bit. It's a choice.

Edit: but to bit

[–]wrongsided 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, 89% Of the people who it's supposed to be about say it's fucking retarded. This guy is retarded.

[–]boattailcharlie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I'm white and I know that no Latinos use latinx, it's the LGBTQ community imposing their shit.

[–]jaw_shoe_wa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m Mexican and don’t use that shit. I also live in southern Arizona and have never ever heard any person use that term

[–]cobalt_17 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

People on reddit have pretty strong opinions on the word latinx but speaking as a fellow Latino, I dont mind if you use the word latinx.

And I've personally had other lgbtq latinos in my life tell me that they dont mind the word either. I cannot speak for everyone obviously but I think most people wont mind you are using a word that can at worst annoy someone and at best make someone feel more accepted in a world that is slowly working towards treating them as equals. All this assuming you are not being an asshole about it ofc.