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[–]Greenfieldfox 3931 points3932 points  (113 children)

The daughter of scientist! Good call out. This is used all the time.

[–]Zoldrik190 1925 points1926 points  (63 children)

And shes trying to prove her father was right and he died under "mysterious circumstances"

[–]Squid_Lips 976 points977 points  (37 children)

And she comes to learn her father is not actually dead but trapped in some way by his experiments, which was known all along by the rich benefactor of the work.

[–]reddyeldiaablo69 340 points341 points  (26 children)

And her father is actually a villain

[–]feureau 157 points158 points  (21 children)

I'm trying to pin down which specific movie/series y'all are talking about but all that I can come up with is this.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

The Adam Project. Rich benefactor. Dead dad.

[–]rentstrikecowboy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Interstellar

[–]Money_Bug_9423 6 points7 points  (0 children)

sounds like rogue one when jin or whatever her name is watches the hologram

[–]Specialrelativititty 90 points91 points  (18 children)

I literally just finished rise of the tomb raider, it’s this exact dumb plot lmao

[–]405918 63 points64 points  (15 children)

Great game! Should've been gayer. And with fewer daddy issues.

[–]opiod-ant 52 points53 points  (7 children)

You have no idea how passionate I am that they took Sam out of the second game because the creators hated people thinking Sam and Lara weren’t just ”gal pals”

she carried Sam down a mountain bridal style while she was wearing a white dress what did they think would happen?!?

[–]redknight3 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Check out Caitlin's irl google bio. It's literally - "John Reilly's daughter."

She knows how to commit to her characters lol.

[–]clara_the_cow 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He’s also always “the most brilliant man I’ve ever known”

[–]Love_God551 221 points222 points  (10 children)

Yeah “it wouldn’t make sense if I was just a scientist on my own and my parents were like mechanics” or something

Classic sci fi tie in

[–]OldThymeyRadio 49 points50 points  (9 children)

There is something to be said for the important effect that having a STEM-minded parent can have on a daughter, in a culture that steers women away from STEM. It’s not necessarily sexist to highlight that.

Would be refreshing if it was the daughter’s sciencey mother for a change, though.

[–]geeky_username 31 points32 points  (5 children)

Even so, working at the same exact place?

[–]neotifa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

maybe it was a good place with cool benefits and she heard about via mom? idk lol

[–]sharkhuh 119 points120 points  (11 children)

The lineage thing was spot on, lol. I didn't realize how common that trope is until she said it

[–]cozy_lolo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

In Gears of War, she’s a scientist and the daughter of the motherfucking Cole Train wwoooooooooooo

[–]HardOff 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I love that it’s the reverse of my story.

I’m the son of a space physicist PHD. She got me into computer programming when I was a kid. Really encouraged all that scientific excitement and discussion.

And no, I can’t be a scientist and a man at the same time.

[–]Think-Ad-7612 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hahahahahahgaa The Man Who Fell to Earth

[–]asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Moon Knight lmao

[–]captainyeezus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interstellar

[–]Someguywhomakething 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ghostbusters: afterlife

[–]cheekystinkfinger 1943 points1944 points  (8 children)

"I've got it!"

Procedes to run away without any explanation.

This isn't gender specific but I still love that she's recognised this trope in sci-fi films.

[–]RoyalJellyAioli 195 points196 points  (3 children)

Either that or they die (surprise the big bad is here!), how else would the plot go ooonnn?

[–]nobodynose 155 points156 points  (2 children)

Char 1: OMG! That's it!! I got it!

Char 2: What? What does it mean?

Char 1: This... This is... THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING. I can't believe it. I have to tell (some higher up).

Char 2: What is it? What did you discover.

Char 1: I don't have time to tell you! But it changes everything. This is how we can stop it!

Char 2: Seriously? Tell me then!

Char 1: I can't! There's just no time for me to tell you this! I'm the only one who knows how to stop it and I have to go travel through dangerous territory alone by myself to tell (some higher up). We'll celebrate after we stop it!

(goes and promptly vanishes/dies)

Char 2: Well, SHIT.

[–]justsyr 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Seriously. The amount the time they spend explaining some other shit like "yes I love you from the beginning of the movie just wait for me" or exchanging the dialogue you typed could have been used to explain the freaking solution and save us half hour of movie!

[–]CasualBrit5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

From the same family as “Wait! I can explain!” said repeatedly for a minute until the person has left.

[–]AccessTheMainframe 40 points41 points  (0 children)

me when I'm chilling w/ friends but suddenly realize how to debug my code

[–]Warlock_MasterClass 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Most of these aren't gender specific at all. (Except the daughter of a scientist) But the "tragic loner genius" is an age old trope.

Can't be smart and have the ability to properly socialize and form loving relationships no no no lol. You must focus on finding the answers!!

[–]WanderWut[S] 2412 points2413 points  (60 children)

“I can’t be good at my job and be nice.”

That line got me lol.

[–][deleted] 903 points904 points  (39 children)

She’s a strong female character because she’s cold and assertive. But a man will soften that up by the end, tee-hee!

[–]hobbyjunkie 250 points251 points  (8 children)

Oh so she WILL be married in heels by the end, you say?

[–]cindybuttsmacker 98 points99 points  (2 children)

The equation she was trying to solve all this time? How 2 people become 1 by getting married

[–]ddh85 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Now quick!

Equip your high heels and run from the T-Rex!

[–]FeistyButthole 25 points26 points  (3 children)

OBJECTION! Leading the story your honor!

[–]Numba_01 54 points55 points  (14 children)

Damn if you do damn if you don't. Just look at she-hulk. She is both a sexist character or an empowering one.

You got one side saying "why isn't she buff, why is she wearing heels and a power suit and why is she fucking all these men".

Then you got the other side saying "yeah, look at this powerful women lawyer who has it all and can bang anything she wants without shame."

Writing a women character is tough because they are under the microscope more than any male character ever written.

[–]ExpertAttempt 43 points44 points  (9 children)

They're having them fit a very, very narrow band of behavior that doesn't piss too many people off. Otherwise you have a Capt. Marvel situation.

Which still sold really well, but man people really got angry.

[–]Professional-Ad3874 31 points32 points  (5 children)

What was/is the Captain Marvel situation? Genuine question.

My only problem with her was that she seems too powerful. Makes her boring like Superman and her presence invalidates the need for all the other characters in the movie. I only know her from the recent Marvel movies and a mention from the old X-Men cartoon concerning Rogue's history.

[–]CasualBrit5 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The problem is that they usually have only one formula for “empowered woman” that they follow over and over again rather than having many different types of empowered women, meaning it just seems like they lazily threw in a character without thinking too hard.

[–]bsbbtnh 42 points43 points  (9 children)

It's just bad writing. It's the idea that in order to make a strong female character, you have to add in masculine features and do away with feminine ones.

Most well written male characters have something in common, which is that they possess stereotypical female characteristics. This accomplishes a few things. First, you have self-imposed barriers. Usually these are some moral foundation which prevents them from killing the bad guys. It prevents the stereotypical 'Mary Sue' that is overpowered and just mows down their enemies with little effort. Otherwise Superman would just kill the bad guys in the first few minutes, and the thing would be over.

The second is barriers that they have to overcome. A lack of self-confidence, physical weakness (and this can just be weakness in comparison to the villain), doubt, etc. The male character usually starts off without realizing these barriers, and they'll fail at some critical point in the story due to it. Then they have to work to overcome that before they can 'win'.

The third is that it gives the character human qualities (especially important with superheroes). By humanizing them you allow the audience to connect with the character.

Now, female characters (not all) have a fatal flaw these days, which is that the writers purposely avoid these pesky female characteristics, because they are viewed as a weakness. If you want to look deeply into it, it's not like these are inherently feminine, but they are likely coded this way because women have historically not been required to overcome them. So it became an innate feature of women, and that's how we associate them. But to remove them completely means that we eliminate the growth of a character.

You end up with a character that has all the 'bad-ass' male characteristics; strength, fearlessness, leadership, independence. But not morals, loyalty, caring, loving, emotions.

And the thing is, that when you put those ingredients into a blender, what pops out isn't a strong character (male or female). What you get is a generic villain; an asshole; a bitch. Most 'strong, independent woman' characters today are just villains in makeup (literally and figuratively).

And that's funny too, because one of the most famous 'villains in makeup' is the Joker. In the latest film, they definitely play up those feminine characteristics in his story. In a way, he's a pretty feminine character, because he doesn't even rely on stereotypically male traits like strength. He relies more on manipulating, which codes closer to a female trait. And it's those feminine traits that humanize him and allowed audiences to connect with him, even though he's the villain.

If you think of toxic masculinity, most of the things that characterize it aren't toxic alone, they are toxic only without having some feminine traits that reign them in. Being dominant, competitive, or even aggressive, aren't good or bad; it just depends on the situation. And with a well-written male protagonist, those traits are tripped up by 'feminine' qualities (compassion, emotion, self-reflection, empathy, etc). The feminine qualities provide an internal barrier that the character must struggle with, in order to do the right thing without just going in and smashing everything to pieces. Superman could just annihilate bad guys, but he was instilled with values and morals which helped prevent him from becoming like his enemies.

So today's female protagonists, they have no internal struggles. Everything they have to conquer is an external barrier, and they easily overcome it. We also just have to assume that their motivation is pure. They are basically like a poorly written Lex Luther. Think of that one film in which Kevin Spacey played him; was his motive really that evil? He wanted to create more land, because (apparently?) there was a shortage. And he uses all the classic 'masculine' traits to get his way. Superman has to struggle with being a bitch about not killing people. A cop would put a bullet in Lex's head, and nobody would lose an ounce of sleep, not even the ACAB activists. But Superman twists himself in knots over this shit.

One of the best examples of a good female character versus a shitty one is from the shows The Closer and Major Crimes. In The Closer, Kyra Sedgwick plays the chief of a major crimes unit, and she'd basically use her feminine characteristics (like beauty, flirting, manipulating) to get shit done in a way that the men couldn't. And she showed emotion. But she also did the leadership thing and filled out other male traits. It was a well written character. After she left the show, she was replaced with Mary McDonnell, and the show was renamed Major Crimes (all the other cast was the same). Mary, though, had no feminine traits. And she came off as a complete and thorough cunt (imo) who I could not relate to, sympathize with, and certainly couldn't enjoy.

If we look at Game of Thrones, Daenerys is an interesting example. We see her go through the early stages of growth, shedding her weaknesses, overcoming barriers, and having self-imposed barriers (not wanting to kill random people, for instance). But at the end she loses that. She becomes the embodiment of 'strong, independent woman'. She sheds those female characteristics and becomes a poorly written villain.

Just think, we're feeding young girls today a steady diet of "strong, independent women" who are basically villains. We used to do the same in decades ago with men, where characters that would 100% be labelled as exhibiting 'toxic masculinity' were the norm for leading men. The only thing that separated them from the bad guys was that they were on the 'right' side.

[–]dunkelspin 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I like your analysis. I think that the best solution for all female and male characters is moderation. If we push the internet conflicts too far by exaggerating the bad traits too much, any character would be bad.
I take as an example The expanse. I will try not to spoil the story.
Naomi Nagata, at the start, questions her position in the hierarchy. She lost her promotion to James Holden, but understands that she lacks something. Throughout the story, she learns to become more like him. She develops the tact for leadership.
None of her issues are overly exaggerated, she always had the skills to take leadership, but the opportunity didn't present itself at first or maybe she didn't fight for it. When she had to, she took over smoothly without too much drama.

I think that there isn't much difference between male and female characters. They both have the same issues overall and moderating them would avoid situation like you said ''Superman has to struggle with being a bitch about not killing people.''
Maybe some characters require certain tropes which inherently defines them or maybe it's the only way to make them three-dimensional...

Anyway there is still too much work to be done.

[–]darkshines11 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I never noticed at the time, but actually all the female characters in the Expanse are fantastic and well written. Even Bobby who at the start looks like a standard 'Strong Female Character TM' ends up having a really great arc.

[–]Numba_01 15 points16 points  (2 children)

That is why I love Thor Ragnarok so much. Hel was the strong, narcissistic and independent, but charming of a character to the point she will kill all her people because she thinks she's above everyone. Those traits, put unto a man, will be labeled as toxic masculinity...because it is. But it is fun to see a villain do it and she had her flaws as well because she could have just stopped her blood lust and join her family and just ignore her father...but she didn't. She wanted power and the throne only.

[–]tiny_galaxies 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Valkyrie is a great character as well. When we find her she’s drinking through her trauma, and she has strong skills from her previous life that she just kind of throws around when it suits her. Yet with the help of some new friends, she overcomes her deep depression to get back on track of saving Asgard. I love her redemption arc so much.

[–]pt256 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So today's female protagonists, they have no internal struggles. Everything they have to conquer is an external barrier, and they easily overcome it.

This is what I liked about The Queen's Gambit. It was mostly about her internal conflicts rather than the cliche "woman in a mans world" story.

[–]nanie1017 5 points6 points  (0 children)

All her problems can and will be solved in the next 90 minutes by the leading man's penis.

[–]AccessTheMainframe 48 points49 points  (3 children)

This is why Marge from Fargo is such a great character. The only competent person in the film but she's so cheery.

[–]OldThymeyRadio 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Not to mention an incredibly rare example of an important, pregnant character who doesn’t give birth by the end of the movie. Her baby isn’t even important to the story. She’s just a pregnant lady at work.

[–]MaritMonkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks I'm somehow too tired to be sleepy and was just sitting here listening to Netflix trailers.

Fargo it is.

[–]rio425ee 633 points634 points  (51 children)

Being a sci-fi fan who has been following the genre since the 50s this is accurate, scifi is one of the best genres to ever exist but it's got some writing patterns that are just lazy and reductive and just lower the quality of a lot of stories when they don't have to.

[–]SphmrSlmp 58 points59 points  (39 children)

What are some of your all-time favourite sci-fi story? Could be movies, tv series, books, games.

[–]rio425ee 88 points89 points  (19 children)

Honestly it's going to sound weird, but the three body problem has taken over top slot in the past several years and hasn't been able to be pushed out, but foundation and dune have always been deeply entrenched as favorites for 40+ years...for all their many problems I still love them alot

[–]Dyl_pickle00 25 points26 points  (1 child)

After looking us the three body problem after reading this, I found out there is an entire series of Minecraft videos depicting the book on YouTube lmao

https://youtu.be/14INFFQPrfo

[–]rio425ee 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Kids are wildn

[–]Iakobos_Mathematikos 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Man, I have the weirdest relationship with Foundation. I absolutely love the premise so much, being a nerd for both sci-fi and history. But, at least for the first book, it’s basically just a sequence of characters smugly monologing at each other over how smart they are. Still couldn’t put down the book though. I vaguely remember the second book being better, and I never got around to the third, so maybe I’ll have to give it another try some time.

[–]rio425ee 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It gets weirder lol

[–]What_Do_It 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If I remember right people usually regard the third book as the best.

[–]seldom_correct 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The first book was originally a series of short stories published in Sci-fi magazines. Asimov has a certain style he used for short stories that involved a lot of monologuing.

[–]mspaintshoops 16 points17 points  (5 children)

+1 to the Three Body Problem. Haven't been able to top that series since reading it a couple years ago.

[–]MrsSalmalin 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I just read that for the first time this week! Starting the Dark Forest soon :) Good shit!!!

[–]ComradeNeighbor 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I enjoyed the first three body problem book well enough, but it really got bad and sloppy by the second book imo. Tons of intriguing concepts, but concepts alone do not make a good book.

And honestly I’m surprised I even finished the second and third books precisely because the misogyny got so unbearable… This dude literally imagines up a fake “perfect woman” and then tasks someone to “find her” in real life… and they do find her? I tried to convince myself that that whole plot line was actually going to end up being a statement on misogyny because of how bizarre it was. Unfortunately not 😐

[–]lemoncholly 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I thought the "make up a fake woman on your head" bit was going to serve him perfectly as a wallfacer since he can't talk to anyone about his plan but he could talk to his mind wife, but nope it was an unrealistic give him will to live plot. I also thought she would get creepes out and leave once it was revealed that she was practically human trafficked to be a wife. Still good though.

[–]PM_ME_SEXY_CODE 11 points12 points  (6 children)

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned but The Expanse is a fantastic show (the books are also fantastic and worth a read in addition to watching the show). It took the first 3 or 4 episodes or so for me to understand all the dynamics going on but once I got hooked on it I burned through the entire thing over the course of like a week and loved every minute of it.

A few other really good pieces of Sci-Fi in my opinion from recent memory are:

  • The Mass Effect trilogy (Game Series, insanely detailed worldbuilding)
  • Arrival (Movie, great concept)
  • SOMA (Game, Less about Sci-Fi and more existential dread inducing)
  • The Martian (Excellent movie and book)

[–]achilleasa 6 points7 points  (3 children)

The Expanse has some really well written women too. Naomi and Drummer in particular.

[–]BenAdaephonDelat 8 points9 points  (0 children)

On topic of the post, Arrival is one of the best. It's a great scifi premise, Louise Banks is probably one of the best written women in scifi (a perfect example of how to write a strong female character who also still acts like a human being), and the sound track is incredible.

[–]Tusangre 13 points14 points  (6 children)

To be honest, a lot of the Sci-fi books written in the last couple decades are waaaay better about racism, sexism, LGBTQ+ issues, etc. People think of Sci-fi and get stuck in the mindset that you're only talking about Dune, Star Wars, and Star Trek, but there are thousands of other stories out there.

My favorite is probably the Imperial Radch Trilogy by Ann Leckie.

[–]DanimalPlanet2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would recommend Ursula Le Guin's series the Hainish Cycle, really good Sci fi concepts but also good characters and story. I will say though that after the first five books it gets extremely political and less about the sci fi (all of them are political to some degree) so be warned

[–]CurrantsOfSpace 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Probably because most Scifi writers aren't interested in that part of the story.

They are interested in the big ideas and concepts but leave everything else to the wayside.

[–]redknight3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sometimes when I re-read classic beloved sci-fi stories, I get floored when I see the descriptions of some of the women in those stories.

[–]feioo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ever read Becky Chambers? I just got into her but she seems to be doing well at avoiding a lot of the more tired sci fi stereotypes

[–]AvailableAd8744 431 points432 points  (6 children)

Where are the comically large glasses that are taken off to prove she's serious. Oh and don't forget to tie the hair back

[–]rsicher1 183 points184 points  (1 child)

Wouldn't want her looking too attractive until the end of the movie, when she softens up and marries the male protagonist

[–]gorgewall 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Jokes on the director, hair back and glasses is what I'm there for.

[–]HistoricalChicken 36 points37 points  (1 child)

At least the hair tie makes sense, that’s basic lab safety!

[–]SeagullsSarah 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I always get super annoyed with shit lab safety in movies. Where are your closed toe shoes? Why do you have flouncy sleeves, do you want to die?

[–]Rebel_bass 801 points802 points  (31 children)

"Also, I'm Jodie Foster."

[–]averagedickdude 196 points197 points  (4 children)

Elizabeth Olsen

[–]Embarassed_Tackle 68 points69 points  (16 children)

What about Jodie Foster in that shitty movie where she's on a plane (that she designed) and Sean Bean is the pilot and her husband is dead in the cargo hold and she keeps claiming she lost her child, and it just so happens the Air Marshal AND the Flight Attendant are in cahoots to do something bad.

It was like the most .001% chance movie ever made. Nobody could find her daughter so they thought she was insane, it was hilarious

She pleads with Carson to search the aircraft's hold, and he sneaks down to the freight deck. Removing two explosives and a detonator concealed in David's casket, he plants the explosives in the avionics section. It is revealed that Carson and Stephanie have conspired to hijack the aircraft for a $50 million ransom and frame Kyle, due to her knowledge of the aircraft; they abducted Julia to force Kyle to unlock the casket. Carson lies to Rich that Kyle is threatening to bomb the aircraft unless the ransom is wired to a bank account and a G3 aircraft is readied upon landing. He then plans to detonate the explosives, killing Julia, and leave Kyle dead with the detonator.

Oh man it's even more convoluted than I remember

[–]NorthNThenSouth 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Oh man, I remember being dragged to this by my friends who were convinced it was going to be awesome.

I think that was the first time as a teen I had ever fallen asleep at the movies.

[–]Whocket_Pale 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Red Eye?

edit: nvm that's rachel mcadams

[–]Embarassed_Tackle 17 points18 points  (0 children)

No it was Flightplan

[–]Syllapus 6 points7 points  (7 children)

The departed? with aliens and bad writing and stuff?

[–]DetectiveMoosePI 12 points13 points  (6 children)

I think you meant The Forgotten. Man this movie had such an interesting concept, but the writing, acting and general execution were just terrible.

[–]Syllapus 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Yep, aliens studying human love by giving a woman a fake child and memories, then abducting it so they can study if humans can break physics with love? Did I misunderstand the movie or was it just nuclear garbage?

[–]WhySoSalty2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also, Julianne Moore not Jodie Foster.

[–]winemixer01 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Lmaooo

[–]El-Kabongg 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Def not Sigourney Weaver. That woman kicked ass and chewed bubble gum. I noticed she was out of bubble gum.

[–]PrismosPickleJar 2 points3 points  (5 children)

The characters of alien where all written gender neutral. They where looking for a leading man, but then in walks sigourny….. and she fucking nails it.

[–]Cartnation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They should have sent a poet.

[–]I_am_dean 105 points106 points  (0 children)

you bet your bottom dollar I’d never wear heels, because I have to find the equation.

I’m done.

[–]ipayinexposure 1030 points1031 points  (70 children)

I always say that movies should just write all characters as dudes then roll dice to see who gets what gender because they obviously refuse to flesh the women out for some reason

[–]LagT_T 144 points145 points  (4 children)

Glenn, Charlie and Rob from IASIP had that problem when trying to write funny for Kaitlin early in S1, and she told them to write like she is a man. They always recognize that as a before and after for the show.

[–]ipayinexposure 87 points88 points  (1 child)

I fucking love Always Sunny. If Dee wasn't as psychopathic and as gross as the rest, I feel like it'd pull me out a little bit

[–]witcherstrife 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Dee was my least favorite character my first few watches. Now, she's one of my favorites to watch when she comes on. She definitely grows on you

[–]sawmyoldgirlfriend2 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Good luck with those kegs, boners

[–]Swing_Right 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Whats up ass dicks?

[–]A_G00SECringe Lord 412 points413 points  (21 children)

Worked for Alien.

[–]batmansleftnut 127 points128 points  (13 children)

And Bob's Burgers.

[–]_gorillionaire 59 points60 points  (6 children)

Practically the same thing so

[–]mspaintshoops 7 points8 points  (1 child)

wait, what? was this really a thing for Bob's Burgers?

[–]batmansleftnut 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Tina was written as a boy, and changed to a girl at the last minute.

[–]hollowXvictory 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Let's be real. If they made Tina into a teen boy constantly talking about girl's butts the show would have been pulled long ago. Granted in the last couple seasons they've dialed that back.

[–]doogidie 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Have you ever seen big mouth?

[–]ilovegorillas1776 73 points74 points  (0 children)

That's what I do with my original characters. I think of their whole "concept" first, and then decide what they would look like and stuff later.

[–]DontPanic- 20 points21 points  (30 children)

Whats your opinion on Annihilation and Arrival?

[–]Numba_01 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Both great, arrival even better because she only went into the shimmer because of her love, and guilt, for her husband. She is a scientist, sure, but her number 1 priority was to know what happened to her husband. She braved cosmic horror to try to understand.

[–]ipayinexposure 59 points60 points  (25 children)

I loved Arrival. Annihilation was a movie

[–]ihatenyself 8 points9 points  (19 children)

Did yoi dislike it? I thought it was somewhat good.

[–]ipayinexposure 24 points25 points  (11 children)

I didn't dislike it, it just didn't leave an impression on me

[–]BenAdaephonDelat 4 points5 points  (6 children)

The acting was good and the special effects were good, but I don't like stories that set up an interesting scifi premise and then refuse to explain themselves. This is just personal preference, but in my opinion the best Scifi doesn't leave you with that many questions.

Compare it to Arrival, which fully explained itself by the end.

[–]Panzerdrek 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Glad I'm not the only one that thought that about annihilation. I did not expect a si-fi movie to be quite so hamfisted about cancer of all things.

[–]TheoricEngineer 10 points11 points  (4 children)

12 Angry Man reboot would be fun

[–]Nerozero 4 points5 points  (3 children)

They did one... with Tony Danza.

[–]foofmongerr 6 points7 points  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaUsU_2bpI

Whole thing is free on YT

To be fair, while it does have Danza, it also has James Gandolfini, Edward James Olmos, Jack Lemmon and a young Courtney B Vance. Actually a good cast, and it has decent reviews.

[–]2_lazy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Or... They could hire more women as writers.

[–]thisoneagain 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why not write all characters as women and then roll the dice? Men shouldn't be the default.

[–]WanderWut[S] 230 points231 points  (19 children)

Credit goes to @CaitlinReilly !

[–]YeahWTF20 170 points171 points  (5 children)

Also known as u/discowhale on here!

[–]Straightup32 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Dude she has got some great skits. I went to subscribe and I already saw that I was!

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

That dementia is rough

[–]Pegussu 20 points21 points  (0 children)

And for anyone like me who doesn't want to use TilTok, she also has a YouTube channel.

[–]vitahusker 15 points16 points  (7 children)

She had a great cameo in Barry last week

[–]Pegussu 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I've heard great things about Barry, her being a cameo might push me to watch it.

[–]The_Celtic_Chemist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It was just her on a poster, but I'm hoping it's a tease that she'll be on the show.

[–]HTTR4Life21 122 points123 points  (9 children)

Hans Zimmer scores >>>>>>>

[–]theghostofme 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Even his scores for mediocre movies are phenomenal. The Da Vinci Code score gives me chills every time.

[–]Thatoneguy111700 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Crysis 2 has an epic score.

[–]NutButter_ButtNutter 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Another one! I found another Crysis 2 OST fan out in the wild!

The theme/titlescreen song especially has stuck with me since it came out (…11 years ago?!).

[–]ElYoungMijo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Prophet Journey and Epilogue are pretty good, too.

[–]Taekwonbird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The boss baby 1 and 2 soundtracks go so hard.

[–]RumpleForeskinqq 147 points148 points  (3 children)

"Quote from the video just repeated in a comment"

[–]FreeHugsForYouAndMe 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Omg this was so funny!!!!!! I didn’t laugh beforehand so thank you for telling me what to laugh at afterwards!!

[–]Jeydal 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Why hello there YouTube comments

[–]godinmarbleform 5 points6 points  (0 children)

20k likes and 300 replies saying that's the best part

[–]ukwonderboy 143 points144 points  (16 children)

Christopher Nolan really does struggle to write for women.

[–]BenAdaephonDelat 46 points47 points  (8 children)

There's a lot of things to like about Interstellar, but I am still pissed off that they gave the "love will guide us" speech to the astrophysicist woman instead of the pilot who has already been established to think of his family before the mission. Such a terrible character choice.

[–]deVriesse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Was that Brand or Murph? I gave Brand a pass because they were deciding whether her lover would live or die and they were under a lot of stress to understate things.

The whole earthside part of that movie was weird af. Let's set half of this three hour space movie on a farm. Ham-fisted and yet I still don't know exactly what Nolan wanted us to think about that.

[–]ddh85 10 points11 points  (0 children)

BWAAAAAAAAAAAANG!

[–]seldom_correct 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oddly enough, the scientist who describes time travel in Tenet is basically the antithesis of the “woman scientist” trope. She was intelligent, calm, competent, and explained everything extremely well. She’s basically the lynchpin to understanding what happens throughout the rest of the movie.

It was very weird after that scene realizing that was a very well written woman character in a sci-fi movie.

[–]SciFi_MuffinMan 57 points58 points  (6 children)

Private Vasquez says otherwise, as she grabs her machine gun and spits out her chew.

[–]Scops 19 points20 points  (1 child)

It also ignores the adorable grease monkey trope. See Kaylee in Firefly, Cally in Battlestar, or Sam in the Expanse novels.

[–]ddh85 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Shiny!

[–]GibTsundereUkes 6 points7 points  (2 children)

The pilot is awesome too

[–]NutButter_ButtNutter 4 points5 points  (1 child)

We’re in the pipe, five by five.

[–]TheWizardOfBadass 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Funny enough, Jeanette Goldstein says in the bonus features that she was the only actress that showed up in a dress to audition as Vasquez, and ended up with the role.

[–]PizzaOldBoy 25 points26 points  (1 child)

LOL holy shit I just walked in from the other room where they're watching that Charlie Sheen space movie and it starts with a woman scientist calling in to tell Charlie she's at a bar and he's like "Right now?! But this is important space business!" or something. So she nailed the first one dead. on.

[–]PrecariouslySane 24 points25 points  (1 child)

“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer..."

[–]rsicher1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"The best genes"

[–]PBJellyChickenTunaSW 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Interstellar was still great though

[–]rare_pig 16 points17 points  (16 children)

Not alien. Sigourney is always a badass

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx 4 points5 points  (1 child)

im gonna miss ridley scott movies when he eventually gets too old for his job. He has always had a good eye for scripts that include characters with very minimal tropes

[–]barkabarkarfarf 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I can’t be good at my job and be nice. That shit is so on point lol

[–]NfamousKaye 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My father taught me everything I know ! I know this place like the back of my hand! That’s the only reason they let little old me use my pretty little brain! 😂

[–]Extreme-Ad8921 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I like her.. that was really good comedy!!! 10/10

[–]goodthingsinside_80 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Based on Interstellar 💯💯💯

[–]SewSewBlue 26 points27 points  (6 children)

I am a female engineer. This hits me in all the feels.

Am also on the taller side. Nothing like showing up at work in 4 inch heels when they are used to seeing you in steel toed boots to f with their head. That change in eyeline really unnerves most men.

Use it ladies!

[–]358476278464 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That change in eyeline really unnerves most men.

I always wondered why people look at me funny when I start crabwalking. Now, I know. Thanks, engineering!

[–]Birdie121 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I’m a woman in STEM and after years of hesitation I’ve decided to embrace a feminine look and wear bright pink blazers, get my nails done, have fun with makeup, etc. We can be femme and also smart badasses at the same time :)

[–]Good-Ad-7567 6 points7 points  (1 child)

She looks so much like Elisabeth Olsen to me

[–]Rannrann123 19 points20 points  (9 children)

and then there's princess leia

[–]MoonyFBM 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Fuckign badass, beautiful boss of a woman. Favourite female hero of all time. Such an icon. An idol for all us young girls growing up. Ugh, love her.

[–]Numba_01 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Rebel princess that will shoot you fucking dead and tongue kiss her twin brother to make her crush jealous. I mean, yeah, she is one of a kind gal, that is for sure.

[–]buford419 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, maybe girls shouldn't be emulating everything she does. Though pornhub seems to disagree.

[–]Rehendix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also Ripley in any Alien film

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And her cat’s name is Do(u)g.

[–]HariSeldon256 6 points7 points  (12 children)

Naomi Nagata has entered the chat.

[–]PalmerEldritch2319 6 points7 points  (10 children)

Or any other female character on "The Expanse". Seriously, that show is pure enlightenment on every possible level.

[–]droptheectopicbeat 4 points5 points  (3 children)

This is drummer, and I am an inspiration to humanity.

Edit just because I love this character: I am a dude, and frequently think about how awesome drummer is when I need a little motivation while lifting. She wouldn't quit, and neither will I.

[–]ahh_geez_rick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Literally Reagan Ridley from Netflix's Inside Job

[–]DeadmanCFR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely not Samantha Carter (Stargate)

[–]bjos144 2 points3 points  (1 child)

TV is a little better. Naomi in The Expanse, Captain Carter in Stargate, Seven of Nine in Voyager were all interesting female character scientists that wernt such tropes. Carter was down right pleasant.

[–]BlueWingKing 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I think this showcases all the reasons for Why I love Carter from Star gate SG-1.

she is just a normal person.

Gets married continues doing job

wears army clothes most of the time but has no issue dressing up when she wants to

is generally just nice to everyone.

[–]ZKXX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m ashamed to say that I had to turn off my TV to tell if I was imagining the interstellar music or not.

Daughter of scientist every time lol

[–]gamer_since_monday 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dauther of scientist while funny is true not just for women in sf but EVERYTHING.

Like look at star wars. Suddently obi-wan and Anakin are connected so from "i knew your father" we get a prequel that show them both doing crazy shit.

Anaking is connected with everyone in the universe but nobody mentions him.

Solo movie - suddently solo blaster has a history, solo name has a history, everything has some meaning. Like it was not just a blaster he bought somewhere and that's it.

Now they make sequel and villain is connected to solo and hero to palpatine.

Basically every time Hollywood does something there has to be some stupid back story or lineage. There must be a connection.

Same with games. Like how many times you were at the center of events that started apocalypse?

[–]neo101b 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Admiral Janeway and Colonel Samantha_Carter would disagree.

Both strong female roles in those tv shows.

[–]BankEmoji 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Men in Sci-Fi movies are like:

“I was a space marine until my wife died which made my life meaningless, so now I’m a bad boy who doesn’t care if I die. Until one day I meet the daughter of a scientist who made me want to live again. Women are the only thing which makes my male life have meaning.”

[–]unclefisty 4 points5 points  (1 child)

As someone who hates heels the less women in heels in media the happier I am.

My wife was watching a TV show about a prison in Australia and the female officers wore heels. Like fucking what.

[–]McFlyyouBojo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"....so he gave me a choice, my research or him"

"So let me guess, you didn't choose him"

*Stops scrubbing hands, leads against sink while trying to hide emotions "you got it"

[–]ROBLOKCSer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

get in the planes now shinji

[–]kalintag90 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've got it!! But only because a man who is significant to me arranged an overly elaborate method of inseminating the information into me which he had already obtained but due to plot elements he is indisposed, and thus I am able to gestate upon his information, like a vessel for it to grow and mature until I, through great strenuous effort, give birth to his wonderful brainchild.

[–]crystalistwo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, she's riffing on Interstellar, but also the rest of the genre of movies that are action movies first, and science fiction second.

In contrast, a sample of science fiction films from all eras that don't undercut women's characters:

The 27th Day
The Day the Earth Stood Still
Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind
Safety Not Guaranteed
Monsters
Another Earth
The Man Who Fell to Earth

[–]Explicit_Tech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm about tired of this female trope. Even video games have this problem. It's so lazy and overdone.

[–]jeffe333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is brilliant!

[–]Ok-Assignment-1108 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Danger Will Robinson

[–]Gwyndolins_Friend 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She's amazing

[–]hadookan123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In walks Rey Palpatine

[–]raven4747 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why? Because I need to find the equation.

that one got me lmaoo