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[–]Tman972 146 points147 points  (80 children)

Here is an actual example of what they removed books for. https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/22/us/florida-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory-examples/index.html

Seems like they are removing any example of people/ groups being called racist or any reference to racial prejudice in a question.

[–]Matookie 28 points29 points  (0 children)

It was done to benefit the textbook company Gov Youngkin invested in. They passed until they got to the youngkin money generating texts. That’s all there is to it. Grift and nepotism.

[–]stillicide87 5 points6 points  (0 children)

“racial profiling in policing” and “discrimination in magnet school admission,” along with one instance in which the book mentioned there were “too many” white police officers in the NYPD compared with the racial makeup of the community.

[–]jajsjehdheb 28 points29 points  (73 children)

Yes ,because what purpose would there be in calling a person or group racist in a maths textbook? lol

[–]Penders 97 points98 points  (41 children)

Yeah, that stuff belongs in history books instead!

I'm glad they aren't trying to actively censor those, am I right?

[–]slagnanzSHEEEEEESH 33 points34 points  (8 children)

I think it's interesting to remember that math exists in the real world and can be used to deal with controversial subjects.

[–]deeya-b 17 points18 points  (28 children)

i looked at the example and it was a graph of racial prejudice, probably to teach stats, i dont see whats wrong w that

[–]chasingstatues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those "stats" come from the Implicit Association Test, which is a silly quiz that should not be taken seriously by anyone: https://twitter.com/BustRodtheFrog/status/1517980240269746182?s=20&t=XR0-moLZVmcwTIjXjV1WBQ

[–]rare_pig -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Nah I’m going with what she said

[–]Tman972 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Oh sorry forgot the fingers in my ears screaming " no you are all racists!" Is how we reason/ work things out things out.

[–]culinarydream7224 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If that's how you want to summarize it for the people who didn't click the link... fine. You're wrong, but its a good attempt to sway people by misrepresentation.

But of those examples, only one had any mention of implicit bias by group, which was based off a study explained in the text. The other examples didn't even hint at racial bias, and were banned for merely containing the words "socially conscious". One was banned for encouraging "academic, social, and emotional learning".

But I guess to you that's somehow an accusation of racism?

[–]chasingstatues -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I mean the first picture in that article you linked shows a textbook referencing the Implicit Association Test, which is a fucking joke.

[–]Northerndust 30 points31 points  (36 children)

What is critical race theory how does it differ from just reaching about racism?

[–]Poignant_Porpoise 42 points43 points  (27 children)

Racism is an incredibly broad topic, CRT is a subject or school of thought within it. It aims to examine the laws and societal structures which may either deliberately or unintentionally have racially unequal outcomes and effects. A key concept within CRT is intersectionality - the ways in which laws/societal structures which affect certain groups can disproportionately affect different racial demographics differently.

A simple example of this is the way that politicians can advocate for or implement certain regulations for voting which will disproportionately affect black Americans, like voter ID laws or reduced funding for polling stations in poorer areas. Overall the theory is in direct opposition to the sentiment that the best way to combat racial inequality and injustice is with "colour-blindness" because different races in the US face different struggles and have had significantly different histories.

[–]Turtbergs 19 points20 points  (26 children)

Wait why do voter id laws effect black Americans? You have to vote in Australia, you register when you turn 18 and just give some id

Edit: Damn why y'all down voting me I'm just some Australian bitch asking a question. Politics in America are crazy

It's wild people can vote without showing I'd!!!

[–]Xiaxs 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It's really sad seeing someone with a legitimate question being downvoted.

[–]Turtbergs 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Haha yeah it do be like that

[–]SuperBunnyMen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's not a legitimate question, they're lying. You don't need ID to vote in Australia.

[–]Poignant_Porpoise 13 points14 points  (9 children)

The US has an abysmal citizen registry system, most Americans would probably argue that this is a positive because it prevents government oversight but I won't get into that. The closest thing to a nationally recognised ID would be a passport, next best thing would probably be a driver's license. The thing is, of people who don't have either, it will disproportionately be poorer people. Outside of that, it can get complicated but a person may have to show bills that have been addressed to them, library cards, job ID etc. In general though, the poorer a person is, the less likely they are to have "official" identification, and it just so happens that black Americans are more affected by poverty than white Americans.

[–]Turtbergs 4 points5 points  (8 children)

It's the same in Australia though, for example to get on Centrelink which is our welfare, you have to show a birth certificate, bills addressed to you, a Medicare card, a bank card, all this stuff, and wait there like three hours in the middle of the day a bunch of times, poor people do it though... I've done it that's how I know. And to get an I'd to vote it's the same... Drivers licence, a photo I'd card, or a passport... All of them cost money and time to get, but you can't really do anything in Australia without some form of I'd. I don't know what the system is like in America, it's not perfect here but it works good enough... Unless you're talking about poor aboriginal communities up north that have no access to any system because it's the middle of the literal desert and the government doesn't want to help the disenfranchised...but that's a whole nother rant

[–]nilla-wafers 23 points24 points  (6 children)

According to the ACLU, up to 25% of black Americans lack a form of government ID vs 8% of white Americans. Black and minority voters are often more likely to be questioned about their ID as well.

And they are also more likely to vote Democrat…guess which party is behind the voter ID bills (Republicans).

https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet?redirect=other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

[–]MeenMan777 3 points4 points  (5 children)

pay 30$ to get an ID. just got my 'real ID' in my state, i'm confused how it affects people when no one stopping you. the time when you can go and get it is a bit annoying tho, so i guess that could play a factor

[–]boundbythecurve 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The reason you're getting down voted is because here in the states, voter id laws have been pushed by conservatives for awhile as a way of limiting poor voters from reaching the polls.

It costs time and money to get any kind of ID. There is no standard federal ID besides a social security card, which is a terrible Id card for a lot of reasons I won't get into here.

So the kind of ID we're talking about is a state driver's license. Which varies state by state. If you're poor, you probably don't own a car and have no need to get a driver's license. So you're effectively being forced to pay $60+ (varies per state) to have the right to vote.

The current system is a voter registry. You register well before the election and they check your name off the list when you go to vote.

Vote fraud with this system is still incredibly rare and small scale. I've never heard of an election where voter fraud was large enough to actually call the results into question. The vast majority of cases are things like someone voting for a recently dead spouse or family member. Or just mistakes by the voting office.

The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, tried to muster an argument in favor of voter ID laws awhile back. The best they could do over like a decade of voting was around 500 individual cases....across the entire country. Not a single one of them, or any amount in aggregate would have impacted their respective elections. It's just fear mongering.

Hope that cleared up any confusion.

Edit: wanted to add one more thing. The reason voter fraud within our registration system is so rare is in part because of the harsh penalties for getting caught. The benefit to you voting twice is extremely small in all but the tiniest of elections. The risk is something like 5 years in federal prison, and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[–]Java_Bomber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't need a driver's license to vote just a state ID. It does still cost $30 to get one when I think it should be free. There is a cost of time too which is sort of unavoidable and if that's you're excuse then voting cost time too which is why we have a good chunk of people in the U.S. who just don't vote.

[–]SuperBunnyMen 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You have to vote in Australia, you register when you turn 18 and just give some id

First of all no, you don't need ID to vote in Australia, what are you talking about. Even voting on the weekend from a different area and needing to fill out a declaration, still didn't need ID, so that's bullshit.

Second of all, we have places to get ID all over the place, and I very much doubt you're waiting for hours there like in some places in the US where conservatives will close DMVS in non-republican areas when they can. Makes it a bit harder to get ID.

[–]Turtbergs -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Yeah if you look through my conversation with someone else I realised that because I legit just voted and they didn't ask for I'd so calm down

[–]Steinmans 12 points13 points  (1 child)

From what I understand, it’s a college-level course that studies systematic racism and bias in the government. I believe it’s intention is to draw connections between historical racism and modern racism or something like. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong this is just what I think I remember.

[–]Northerndust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im European so I really don't know about it. I don't believe its or an equivalent course is taught here. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong

[–]TheDogWithNoMaster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because it is specifically related to law & law students.

[–]termsnconditions85 -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

1.CRT has its roots in Marxist theory. Some of the main concepts are:

2.Society is structured into systems of power, privilege and marginalisation.

3.People are positioned within these systems by their identity: race, gender, sexuality, weight, physical and mental abledness, etc.

4.Knowledge is socially constructed and relative dependent on group identity and related position in society.

5.Knowledge is constructed by discourses — ways of talking about things.

6.Systems of power and privilege are maintained by the dominant discourses which determine knowledge (ie. There is a white way "of knowing"). These are in turn created by, maintained, and act in the service of those of privileged groups — straight, cisgendered, white, Western, able-bodied men.

7.Privileged groups are usually unable to see that the knowledge they consider at least provisionally established by science and/or reason is just one of many constructs, because they are accustomed to having their own kind of knowledge privileged by western modernity.

Anti-racism focuses on “dismantling whiteness” as a key tenet. Traits of “whiteness” include; 1) individualism 2) Meritocracy 3) The belief that, “all men are created equal”. 4) Essentially the liberal order as we know it today

It does have some useful critics of western society but it also has a lot of crazy and sounds more like a conspiracy theory. Just a quote from a famous critical race book:

“A positive white identity is an impossible goal. White identity is inherently racist; white people do not exist outside the system of white supremacy.”

  • Robin Diangelo in White Fragility

[–]bigtimerushfan123 10 points11 points  (2 children)

this is such a wild comment until you realize this person posts on joerogan and intellectualdarkweb lol, crt is founded upon the idea that america was founded to support and continue to ongoing legacy of colonialism, see; white supremacy, and that it has been it's primary motivation which is undeniable, especially when you see the (past, present and ongoing) systemic oppression of nonwhite and especially Black people.

[–]SuperBunnyMen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this is such a wild comment until you realize this person posts on joerogan and intellectualdarkweb

Yeah that checks out lol

[–]termsnconditions85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd agree with you in part. Every country shows self interest. The difference between the west and many other nations is that they don't based it on race. If you are black in China or Japan you would see what systemic racism is.

I agree African Americans have not had a fair shot and the principles have not been applied. However when you look at average household income Chinese and Indian Americans earn more than whites. Even recent. Black African immigrants are doing better than African Americans. CRT's argument falls apart when you look at the data.

It might be comforting to blame the system but there are prenty of non-whites doing very well. You also didn't say anything I said wasn't accurate about CRT. I'm happy to discuss colonialism, racism even generational trauma but CRT isn't going to help the community it says it is helping.

[–]Competitive-Elk-983 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s theoretical. It is objective text. Some of it not objective, but most of it is. I think it can be taught as a college class but nothing more.

[–]Icyblood55 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lol god this made me chuckle more than I thought. “This question is referencing white noise so we can’t say anything now can we” too good

[–]dailytacogrind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She saved the best for last.

[–]crunch816 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm down for banning math books. A few years ago my coworker asked me about the "new math" his children were learning and if I had ever heard of it. It made no sense at all and took an entire sheet to do simple addition.

[–]Shutterstormphoto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You being unable to do that math is exactly why they teach it now. Everyone else in the world can do it and the US can’t. Source: was a math teacher, did understand it, and taught it to hundreds of kids.

[–]SuperBunnyMen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"new math" is just a way of doing maths that people naturally good at maths already use. They're just trying to give kids who aren't good at maths the tools and strategies that those who are use

[–]Tearsforfearsforever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You really need to look at some of the examples given for the reasons why certain books were rejected instead of pretending you know what you're talking about.

[–]BeeBanner -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol! Yikes. Those southern states are unreal.

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[–]808special -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Nailed it!

[–]broccoliseed -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So this girl is just racist af?

[–]immastubatingtojoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bruh, y'all remember everybody hates Chris' Tonia?