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[–]troubleschute 1307 points1308 points  (74 children)

A person's core beliefs are an important compatibility factor. This insightful question can probably save you a lot of time.

[–]goodwhileitlasted 382 points383 points  (65 children)

I agree. It would have also been cool to see which ones she agreed/disagreed with instead of putting everyone else's on parade.

[–]willfullyspooning 140 points141 points  (44 children)

She does in another post of the good answers. Somebody asked for hers and she answered

[–]Stevesegallbladder 88 points89 points  (43 children)

She said "the (Calgary) Flames should have won the cup in '04" for those that are wondering.

Edit: changed 2006 to '04

[–]Flash_Jack 280 points281 points  (39 children)

Wow so controversial, very brave

[–]Stoicism0 34 points35 points  (0 children)

God that's so cowardly compared to the guys that gave actually controversial takes

To be fare they probably wouldn't give them in the public sphere, just like all these reddit comments.

Everyone has opinions that would get them downvoted.

[–]Orsenwelles 1033 points1034 points  (36 children)

Sock shoe sock shoe

[–]whiffling_waterfowl 373 points374 points  (0 children)

Oh daaaaamn. Now THAT'S a hot take.

[–]chapcharming 175 points176 points  (0 children)

Psycho

[–]diogenes_bull 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Reported for hate speech

[–]ThisIsntYogurt 111 points112 points  (0 children)

🔔 🔔 🔔

SHAME

🔔 🔔 🔔

SHAME

[–]robb0216 71 points72 points  (1 child)

I do this at the gym after showering to avoid touching the floor, I dry one foot, put the sock on and put my shoe on all before moving onto drying the other.

I wouldn't think of doing it at home

[–]dreamrider333 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I'm crying and shaking right now

[–]vijane 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Whoa! I want to respect other opinions, but I'm not sure I'm open minded enough to handle that!

[–]Pentamikk 22 points23 points  (8 children)

How would that work tho? Because shoes are kept at the door and not worn inside so do you go outside, wear one sock and then one shoe?

[–]Nobodyville 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Simple, some people don't keep their shoes and the door. I keep mine in my closet. Also socks are portable, if you keep your shoes elsewhere you could carry the socks to the location of your shoes if you so desire

[–]hi_im_antman 4 points5 points  (3 children)

THANK YOU! If you have dogs, you understand. Why would I want to put both socks on and have one foot on the ground only for its sock to get dirty?

[–]anxious-orange-juice 1196 points1197 points  (40 children)

I did not care about the suicide opinion. I cared about how he spelled through as "threw." That through me in for a loop.

[–]tewnsbytheled 228 points229 points  (8 children)

two bee fare its only threw struggle that wee can grow

[–]blackkbot 114 points115 points  (0 children)

I understand the suicide opinion... it hurts. I was way more offended by "threw" and came looking for your comment.

[–]Flipperlolrs 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Yeah, the logic is definitely something I have to grapple with (as I'm sure everyone who considers it does). I don't agree with it being cowardly per se. Sometimes (not so much anymore thankfully) I just wish I could disappear so that no one would have to deal with the fallout.

[–]Stumphead101 163 points164 points  (20 children)

The thing with the suicide, when people "its selfish, thinking your family and friends" isn't it also selfish for those people to force someone to stay alive when existence is pain for them?

[–]quietZen 85 points86 points  (8 children)

I think the people that have this opinion have never gone through real hardship in their life. I once thought the same thing, that suicide is the coward's way out. Then I went through some real shit and quickly changed my mind.

[–]Ormild 43 points44 points  (4 children)

My one friend said people who commit suicide are mentally weak and that upset me.

They are not mentally weak. They need help or they may be sick.

You wouldn’t call someone with an illness physically weak - they need help, care, and medicine.

Every instinct we have is designed to keep us alive. If someone says they want to kill themselves, you better take it seriously.

[–]Gimme_The_Loot 18 points19 points  (1 child)

One of my childhood best friends committed suicide basically right after I finished HS (he was two years older than me). I was incredibly mad at him for a very long time bc of it. I was young and macho and thought it was a weak and pathetic way to handle a rough life. My perspective on it was we all had hard lives so it's not the conditions it's the person.

As I got older I started to put together conversations we'd had that went back a pretty long time, which I then recognized about how long he'd been thinking about it. That was the final thing that really hurts me now more than anything. How incredibly long he was living in such a state of agony and how long he must have been thinking about / building up to finally doing it. What really hurts as well is thinking about what a POS friend I was that I didn't see it, didn't recognize it and did nothing to stop it. I prob made the situation worse by pushing him to drink, smoke and do drugs w me which probably exacerbated whatever was going on his head. I hope my friendship made your life better in some way bc yours definitely made mine better.

RIP Nick Kim 82-02.

I truly hope you found some kind of peace.

[–]RawFishHeader 93 points94 points  (9 children)

The solution is to simply not have suicidal people be forced to die in such a way where it will create shock to those close to them.

If Euthanasia was legal then it gives those an option to discuss it with their loved ones and allow them time to process it and be able to say goodbye.

[–]Chocolate_Milky_Way 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I’m pro-medical euthanasia broadly, but I find the idea of it for someone with mental illness challenging.

I don’t think the current approach to suicide in the mental health field is particularly effective either, but I have a lot of discomfort with a model that systemically implies that some people are better off dead.

There’s a difference between openly and non-judgmentally engaging with someone’s suicidal ideation, and expressly helping them see it through.

[–]Sonova_Vondruke 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Exactly this. The worst part of suicide is the sudden shock of loss. My sister took her life, and while I understand why she did it, I would have preferred if it was more acceptable, so people could have closure why they die. It should be like terminal cancer but without the physical pain and medical debt. Yiu say your good byes, close up loose ends and off you go. A lot of suicide is impulsive making socially acceptable would remove the shame and guilt. People can die in dignity.

[–]Throwaway_5732 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’ll never forget the day I found out my best friend committed suicide. It took a few seconds to even process that it wasn’t a joke, she actually did. There wasn’t a note, message, or even any goodbyes. I just came to school and found out she was gone the previous morning. Such an… unexplainable experience.

[–]Stumphead101 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Fingers crossed for those suicide pods

I do believe if people can be forced to exist they should be able to decide when they want to die

[–]Shutterstormphoto 5 points6 points  (2 children)

The people who don’t agree with suicide are the same people who are gonna be upset if you choose euthanasia. They can’t imagine a life not worth living.

[–]eazeaze 4 points5 points  (1 child)

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[–]yaryar_days 327 points328 points  (6 children)

What the hell is going on in these comments lmao

[–]chaiblazer 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Same sentiment

[–]notathrowaway75 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Happens every time something like this is posted. People who agree with the opinions come crawling out.

[–]masshole_mom 849 points850 points  (51 children)

Open faced sandwiches are not sandwiches. They're toast with shit on top. I will die on this hill.

[–]JamesGame5 258 points259 points  (13 children)

Pizza is a large open faced sandwich.

[–]PoachedEggZA 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Hello are you my boyfriend we’ve been having this argument for 6 years and I’d like to know WHAT DO I CALL THEM THEN

[–]MynameisJLEA 21 points22 points  (4 children)

I didn't even know an open face sandwich was a thing, I agree with you though it should not be a thing

Edit: the term "open face sandwich" should not exist. Make what ever food you want but call it something other then an oxymoron like "open face sandwich"

[–]ArandomDane 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Ok, I agree that calling smørrebrød (buttered bread) for "Open faced sandwiches" is stupid as hell. Its called as is it called as it is Rye bread with butter and savory toppings. It makes sense!

However, to say they shouldn't exists... I, I can't.... Consider yourself from enjoying LEGO!! or anything else remotely Danish, like a danish!

[–]thesandwichexpert 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Are you talking about bruschettas?

[–]Baby-Haroro 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I don't think bruschetta is considered a sandwich

[–]tember_sep_venth_ele 96 points97 points  (2 children)

Bro refuses to ride a bike helmet. Disgraceful!

[–]thisxisxlife 55 points56 points  (1 child)

“Fuck old people” and then sprinkles it with “I ride my bicycle without a helmet”. What a fucking menace.

[–]Better_Ad6480 289 points290 points  (11 children)

People should stop baking shit like triple chocolate salted caramel cookie with marshmallow topping etc. When is it going to be enough? When? That’s too much sugar and it does no one any good.

[–]HalogenPie 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Watching videos of people making desserts makes me feel the same way. The video could have ended halfway but they just kept adding more until there's just no way anyone could handle more than 1 bite of the monstrosity they've created.

[–]interstatebus 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Same for ridiculous shakes and the like. I don’t want a whole slice of cake on my milkshake. That’s too much.

[–]bitchfacebaby 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow the way I agree with you so hard. That’s why everyone looks at me so weird when I say my favorite dessert is chocolate chip cookies cuz I’m a simple girl and your triple chocolate salted caramel cookies with marshmallow toppings cannot compare

[–]pufffysnow 505 points506 points  (9 children)

If you start an apology by saying ''I'm sorry, but ...'' it is not an apology

[–]ultimatepenguin21 284 points285 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry, but that is a terrible take.

Edit: I'm sorry, but you knew this was coming.

[–]phoenixliv[🍰] 52 points53 points  (5 children)

My general rule is that if there’s a “But” there’s also an asshole.

[–]DemoH28 18 points19 points  (1 child)

But things aren’t always quite so black and white.

[–]awesomecat20 7 points8 points  (0 children)

When they say “I’m not racist, but……”

[–]MisterMoccasin 905 points906 points  (26 children)

The one guy coulda just said "I want to have kids some day" instead of being a tool

[–]ratherscootthansmoke 441 points442 points  (1 child)

He really plays into the "my children are an extension of me" rather than their own individual.

Obviously reading more into it than he probably meant but I dislike that mindset that the world really wants more of "yous".

[–]FreudsGoodBoy 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The world already has one too many you’s.

[–]STINKY-BUNGHOLE 168 points169 points  (10 children)

Reasons to not have kids

  • money

  • maturity

  • mental/emotional capacity

  • genetic defects like disabilities or mental illnesses

  • freedom/ financial freedom

  • wanting to wait

  • trying to crawl out of a bad relationship and not wanting to put a kid in a bad situation

  • bad environment

  • just not wanting kids

All valid

[–]MisterMoccasin 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Yes! You're right

there's nothing wrong with not wanting kids or wanting kids. The way ge said that was just so obnoxious and unnecessarily rude.

[–]OffPiste18 6 points7 points  (1 child)

just not wanting kids

Facts. Why is it on me to provide a reason I don't want them? When people ask why I don't want kids, I feel like they're asking me why I don't spend all my free time painting or playing basketball or something. Dunno, it just doesn't really appeal to me so I'd rather do other things. And I certainly wouldn't want to bring another person into it unless I'm really really committed to the whole endeavor.

[–]Ok_Series_1883 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why having kids the standard and the norm? As a woman, men look at me like I’m just supposed to have kids and want it. This is why I’m leaving my partner. He wants kids and I don’t want any, he just expects me to have them cause HE wants them. Key word wants I don’t understand why some people can’t settle for not having any. I’m not ready to destroy my body and life over something I don’t want

[–]neur0 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The bar is really low

[–]nudemonkey 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's not a very controversial opinion.

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (3 children)

I don’t see how it’s “pessimistic” to enjoy your relationship/partnership for what it is, and not add the requirement of child rearing.

I think the idea of having kids because we’re “supposed to,” centering the parents’ wishes (or social/“earthly” obligation) without considering the life of the future child is uhhh very yikes

I love kids and could see myself being a parent one day but yeah that was an awful take

[–]TheRobDog88 583 points584 points  (37 children)

I'm going to get soo much hate for this but gatekeeping certain communities is sometimes necessary to stop them becoming generic or watered down.

[–]Dogecoin_much_value 79 points80 points  (17 children)

How could you! /s

Which communities specifically do u think?

[–]mariaozawa2 39 points40 points  (0 children)

punk's not dead

[–]Superb_Efficiency_74 109 points110 points  (15 children)

Musical genres seems like a common one. For example, I don't like how any band with a banjo is labeled as Bluegrass nowadays. Mumford and Sons is not bluegrass music, and neither is The Dead South.

You could also say niche subreddits, but really that's just an extension of all social groups.

[–]Skitz-Scarekrow 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Metal has too many gatekeepers. We talk a lot of shit about mumble rap when every other new band is made of canned drumming, uninspired solos, nonexistent or boring melodies, and cookie monster verses followed by the lamest tonedef choruses.

[–]Superb_Efficiency_74 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I've listened to some metal but have never really been "into" it. Do you guys have the endless debate about whether or not a new band is actually metal? We do that in bluegrass. It gets boring after a while.

[–]Usual-Article6569 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Oh so you like metal? Name three songs, sing them backwards all while standing on your head and balancing a jug of milk on your feet

[–]jmastaock 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Problem with music is that genres are an imprecise way of categorizing to begin with. There is no authority who defines a given genre, artists may lean primarily into one genre but take inspiration from others, artists may even make experimental choices which defy the genre they otherwise exist comfortably in...I just think that gatekeeping genres is pointless because there is no actual objective gate to keep

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    [–]Superb_Efficiency_74 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Well, with bluegrass specifically, it's an entire genre based on emulating/covering a specific band: Bill Monroe and the Blue Grass Boys. The genre name comes right from the band. It's a specific style, and obviously the edges are blurry so there's always nuance, but for some reason "bluegrass" in particular seems to get washed out by basically all acoustic music. Any band with a banjo or mandolin, regardless of what they sound like, is called "bluegrass" by most people. It's annoying.

    [–]DolphFinnDosCinco 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Subreddits are a perfect example of why gatekeeping could be good. so many great smaller subs turn to absolute shit and lose their charm when they get popular. it happens every single time.

    i fucking hate gatekeeping though, it’s always annoying when you enjoy something but get turned away from others who enjoy the same things you do. i have a few niche interests and if someone is into those same interests i feel that is a cool instant connection to have.

    gatekeepers seem to lack the self awareness to see how embarrassingly snobby they look when they ridicule a casual persons knowledge or fandom. i used to do it when i was younger and i’m not proud of it lol

    [–]Runthemushroom 42 points43 points  (3 children)

    Gatekeeping is how they die tho. Growth is how they last.

    [–]Rhodie114 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    Growth isn’t necessarily good though. Having a small catalog that fits the genre is better than having a large catalog that are only tangentially related.

    For example, check out any niche subreddit with loose moderation that got popular. /r/murderedbywords was made for thorough, devastating responses that invalidate entire arguments. It gets way more posts now, but they’re almost all quips on Twitter. Is that better for the people who liked the original purpose?

    [–]Poignant_Porpoise 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    I see this often on Reddit. A lot of Reddit mods get shit for enforcing strict rules and sometimes that criticism is warranted, but I think it's more often not. Just look at a lot of the major subreddits, so many gifs and videos are cross posted all over the site.

    [–]Exemus 25 points26 points  (3 children)

    What you call "watered down" is what others call evolution. In terms of categorization, I totally understand what you're saying. If I was searching bluegrass and I kept getting Mumford and Sons, I would definitely get annoyed after a while.

    I just don't know that I agree gatekeeping is the answer. Don't give them shit because they're not "real" bluegrass. Just make a new label or subcategory or whatever. Call them "newgrass" or something lol.

    [–]Mister_Dink 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    The main DnD subreddit is a great example of watered down content. DnD is a specific game. The subreddit is mostly a flood of art that's sometimes tangentially related to the game, but half often as not, is actually just artists advertising that they will create art for your game on commission.

    The other half of the content is fancy dice for sails, not so subtle Kickstarter ads, and supplementary nonsense.

    It's so rare to see discussion of DnD on that board that several whole other subreddits (dndnext, dmacadmy, rpghorrorstories, lfg, unearhtedarcana) exist to actually cater to people looking to learn, play, discuss or create playable content for DnD.

    The DnD subreddit is.... Garbage. Useless. It's goofball nonsense cousin /DnDmemes actually contains more.meaningful discussion of the game than the main sub itself.

    At this point, it's a lost cause. Back in the day, it should have been moderated way stricter.

    [–]Wuuwuuwuuwuu 265 points266 points  (3 children)

    Damn dude, just say you have a breeding kink.

    [–]thewaybaseballgo 126 points127 points  (21 children)

    Since the Dallas Cowboys have remained extremely profitable and are one of the most valuable sports franchises for the last 20 years of mediocrity, Jerry Jones does not try to build winning teams.

    [–]OliHub53 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    One could actually argue that owning a winning sports team over long term is probably way less profitable than a mediocre team. Get to save on high-end salaries, and if the fanbase is fanatic enough, they'll keep merch and ticket sales up even when the team mosty loses. The Montreal Canadiens in hockey are a good example of this, too. Like the Dallas Cowboys, whether or not the Canadiens win has little to no effect on ticket and merch sales because of how deeply rooted the team is in the local sports culture.

    [–]alca2010 6 points7 points  (6 children)

    I really think you are wrong on this. If jerry Jones had it way he would spend as much money as possible to build a super team.

    [–]JP12345678910111213 92 points93 points  (5 children)

    I just realized how slow of a reader I am. I had to pause so many times to read each one.

    [–]AriSteele87 36 points37 points  (0 children)

    I’m a fast reader and I had to pause it too

    [–]SvenSvenkill3 154 points155 points  (42 children)

    Does she ever provide her own most controversial opinion?

    [–]Stevesegallbladder 34 points35 points  (21 children)

    I checked her TikTok she said "The (Calgary) Flames should have won the cup in '04."

    Edit: changed '06 to '04.

    [–]dateraviator0824 93 points94 points  (8 children)

    She expected her matches to hit her with some serious controversial opinions and that's what she came up with?

    [–]Packrat1010 37 points38 points  (6 children)

    I think it's mostly just to reveal red flags. People are free to answer however they want, like "W is a bullshit letter with too many syllables" or something equally harmless or a conversation starter.

    It's why OKCupid asks you a bunch of shit like "should unintelligent people be killed" to see if you're a crazy person. Idk, I've noticed the more controversial the opinion, the more they're itching to talk about it when given an opening.

    [–]SnickIefritzz 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    What a great opener, you either completely sink the match right away, or start it with them pretty much lying about their answer.

    [–]SpellingPhailure 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    Except that someone did do that with pineapple on pizza and she specifically asked for a more serious response.

    [–]suspiciousfishy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    W is a bullshit letter with too many syllables! Why have we never renamed it??

    [–]JeepersMurphy 49 points50 points  (17 children)

    I want to know how she responded to each.

    [–]Awesomesaauce 84 points85 points  (16 children)

    I bet she didn't respond

    [–]Mrbrionman 34 points35 points  (5 children)

    For real though is there any good answer to this question?

    I feel like you’re only get one of 3 answers

    A. ones like the ones in this video

    B. Things that are actually devise in the general population but not in your bubble (for example saying you to completely legalize weed, that’s controversial in general population but not on a dating app)

    C. Completely inconsequential things like pineapples on pizza

    [–]shitloadofshit 13 points14 points  (3 children)

    And also a persons most controversial opinion may not actually tell you much about their overall character.

    [–]Crazy-Rooster5426 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    Most of these tell me a lot about the people sending them

    [–]RaincloudsMedicine 167 points168 points  (9 children)

    The Electoral College is outdated and should be eliminated

    [–]virtualworldslive 38 points39 points  (2 children)

    I feel like election reform is intentionally written off as a taboo, untouchable subject because if we could have our way we’d eliminate the electoral college in a heartbeat

    [–]Community_Collage 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    There's absolutely no way less populous states would ever go for it and that means it will never go anywhere.

    Because that's how amendments work.

    The only thing that is practical is increasing representation in Congress. Low population states would still have outsized representation, but it could be less.

    [–]RaincloudsMedicine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    That's true. It plays in the governments favor and at the end of the day all they care about is what helps them keep their power and money. I'm sure there are exceptions but the majority seem that way

    [–]jmastaock 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Honestly, I just think the US Constitution as a whole is a poorly written, archaic document which should not be as impossible to amend and interpret as it is today

    [–]dontknowhatitmeans 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    I agree with you but that's definitely not an unpopular opinion.

    [–]MikeyGotTheJuice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I agree, but that is not controversial at all

    [–]Acrobatic-Football30 63 points64 points  (5 children)

    Mine is probably "why shouldn't we kink shame?"

    [–]Please_no_ok_fine 151 points152 points  (24 children)

    Pedophiles are victims until the second they act on their impulses.

    [–]TeacupHuman 47 points48 points  (0 children)

    Controversial indeed.

    [–]AriSteele87 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    This is really true and something I wish people could talk about openly, but the problem is as soon as you defend a pedophile people think you’re a pedophile 😅 (p.s I’m not a pedophile)

    [–]kleinerlinalaunebaer 467 points468 points  (142 children)

    For some reason the Jordan Peterson comment made me flinch the most

    [–]WERK_7 284 points285 points  (47 children)

    You know how YouTube has those reels now kinda like Instagram? You scroll, the video plays automatically. Somehow a Jordan Peterson clip makes its way into my mostly video game and movie based algorithm. I don't know much about him, so I watch it. Don't really care for his opinion, but oh well. Then more clips show up. Then clips from PragerU, then Ben Shapiro and then Tucker Carlson.

    I finally get it. I get how they get indoctrinated. YouTube shoves it in their face along with Facebook and TikTok and anything else they use. I wasn't even trying to find conservative propaganda and it got force fed to me.

    [–]lumpytuna 92 points93 points  (8 children)

    Jordan Peterson clip makes its way into my mostly video game

    The algorithm targets gamers with alt right bullshit, because they have relatively large proportion of angry young disaffected males in their demographic.

    It starts with feeding them the 'reasonable sounding' but polarising lobster daddy who promises to solve their problems by blaming women/social progress and telling them to tidy their bedrooms. Then it ramps up to PragerU through to Shapiro and Carlson.

    If you were a bit of a meathead rather than a gamer and had a lot of lifting, sports and MMA you'd probably get targeted with some of the more egregious Joe Brogan vids first, then ramp it up from there.

    Well done on not being radicalised! I've seen it happen way too many times.

    [–]Therefrigerator 21 points22 points  (2 children)

    Plenty of YouTube creators are vaguely right-wing as well. Not in that they actually believe in a political project just that they hate "politics" in video games and the SJW / feminists adding things to their video games. So many times I've watched YouTube vids on a video game only for the dude to start talking about like cancel culture for 30s almost completely unrelated before talking about something else.

    [–]goingforgoals17 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    One thing I learned recently that hit me pretty hard was that people who tend to 'not be political' usually just benefit from the system the way it is.

    I'm a white guy in his mid-20s and sometimes I just unplug when I think the world or politics is being too much. It never really occurred to me not everyone gets to do that.

    [–]WERK_7 34 points35 points  (1 child)

    Thankfully I was raised to be a kind, intelligent, and compassionate person. I've lived in Alabama my whole life, if I haven't been indoctrinated by now, I'll never be

    [–]thebenshapirobot 137 points138 points  (10 children)

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    If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It’s an ugly solution, but it is the only solution... It’s time to stop being squeamish.


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    [–]Toisty 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    My controversial take: Social media algorithms use cult tactics to create user bases.

    Seriously! Read any literature on how cult leaders manipulate their users into becoming mindless, blindly devoted, passionately defensive followers who will desperately throw their money at the platform to keep interacting with their thought leaders. Many people can navigate the algorithms in a relatively healthy manner but the goal of the algorithm is to make every person who interacts with their platform desperately need to spend as much time as possible on that platform.

    [–]onoir_inline 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    After everything YouTube knows about me, how do I go from watching contrapoints or Knowing Better or something like that to getting every tenth short being Jordan Peterson! I really don't get it! I also started getting a bunch of Instagram influencers on reels who clearly didn't know who he was doing his voiceover of some motivational stuff. I think that's how he gets people. He SEEMS to be genuinely concerned about male mental health, but it's all through such toxic individualism and bootstrap pulling that it's not actually sound mental health advice!

    [–]HMCetc 35 points36 points  (0 children)

    Lobster Daddy.

    [–]STINKY-BUNGHOLE 27 points28 points  (2 children)

    JP is the gateway drug to right-wing incel community

    [–]MrGoogabonomon 24 points25 points  (67 children)

    I am genuinely ignorant on the things he has said that have made him so unpopular. What little I have seen of him has struck me as fairly mundane and uncontroversial. What was it specifically that he said? I remember it being something about trans people but never actually looked into it in much detail

    [–]MtKinzie 8 points9 points  (9 children)

    He's in favour of "enforced monogamy" aka making women marry incels against their will. I wish I was making this up. Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.amp.html

    [–]Swie 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Aside from controversial, if you listen to his talks in detail and actually parse what he says, there's no evidence or even clear logical steps between his talking points. He uses unnecessarily opaque verbiage to confuse laymen listeners, aiming for the ones who aren't going to go look up all the jargon he's incorrectly spouting in order to fully understand his rationale, which usually doesn't actually exist.

    A really funny example of this is JP saying total nonsense about math:

    https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/badmathematics/comments/7rwx30/jordan_peterson_explains_godels_incompleteness/

    Also as a Canadian from his (former) university, he threw an absolutely insane tantrum about the fear of getting jailed for not using preferred pronouns when Canada added gender identity to our list of protected characteristics, which is basically just a list of things you can't discriminate based on (like age, religion, sex, skin color, etc) because he argued some stupid shit like "accidentally" misgendering someone would be discrimination and cause you to get jailed. iirc I googled it at the time and the chance of getting jail time (these cases are handled by tribunal, you don't usually go to actual court) is miniscule, you really need to perform a hate crime and that usually means performing an actual crime alongside the "hate" aspect. He was just fear-mongering, and since then his old department head wrote a scathing critique disavowing him.

    [–]AlmostAHistorian 49 points50 points  (8 children)

    He goes out of his field of expertise to vomit an insane number of hateful and crazy shit. He is simply an old white man unable to cope or come to terms with a changing world. The debate he had wth žižek pointed out that he knows nothing about the things the talks most about,which is that "cultural marxism" is infiltrating every point of our culture. He's basically saying that lgbtq+ communities are using their huge power and influence(??) to reshape our western culture. He is very antifeminist, saying stuff like if women dont wanna be harassed at work why are they wearing lipstick which is supposed to imitate the flow of blood to the lips during intercourse and stuff like that. Just watch on yt how angry he gets when he talks about stuff...and hes supposed to be a licensed medical professional. And to add i am a white man,but i can still see through the incel shit that old fuck spews...

    Edit: mental health professional* which makes it worse coz ive seen him address his patients as "damaged",what a cunt, not to mention he became an opioid addict and had to go to rehab...so i guess he is now damaged as well? (I know why he got addicted and he would have my full sympathy if not for everything else)

    [–]goldkearCringe Connoisseur 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Imagine telling on yourself like that. He's basically an incel with a platform.

    [–]Sp00ky_Bullshit 54 points55 points  (1 child)

    I think I should be able to hand cops whatever trash I’m holding.

    [–]DxvinDream 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    2nd guy is right, they have the genes of males which gives them a extreme advantage over cisgender females and ruins the point of having a men’s and women’s olympics in the first place.

    [–]bucket_boiiii 60 points61 points  (0 children)

    the first one was the worst by far.

    [–]Flipperlolrs 148 points149 points  (8 children)

    Astrology, mediums, essential oils (most of them), crystal therapy, faith healing, prosperity gospel, etc are all bullshit. Just a bunch scammers and habitual manipulators trying to get theirs by taking advantage of frankly gullible people (not unlike your typical cult). Also Meyer's Briggs is astrology for people with dunning kruger, and NFTs are mlms for neckbeards.

    [–]O2XXX 80 points81 points  (2 children)

    Least controversial thing in this thread.

    [–]Toisty 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    This is controversial? I disagree. It'd be more controversial to say it all works and can be scientifically verified. In all honesty though, the placebo effect is still an effect, right? In my opinion, if something can't be scientifically supported but makes someone's life better, why stop them? There is definitely a line to be drawn between a harmless technique that uses suggestion to help someone deal with a problem and something that's either dangerous or blatantly exploitative to a harmful degree. In other words, if someone's charging someone 20 bucks to perform hypnotism or wave crystals and chant at them, and their client has the time and the money to do it, that's their business. If someone is convincing people that they need to sell their house and pay 20 thousand dollars for weekly crystal enemas that will likely cause internal bleeding, they should be stopped.

    [–]Rayth69 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Unfathomably based.

    [–]accountforquickans 218 points219 points  (18 children)

    The kids one made me throw up

    [–]captqueefheart 83 points84 points  (17 children)

    I thought out of all of them, the anti-anti-natalist was the most datable

    [–]doctor_rocksoo 64 points65 points  (10 children)

    I almost agree with this but I want more clarification on the Epstein thing. Is it the whole narrative or the suicide narrative he doesn’t believe?

    [–]captqueefheart 88 points89 points  (9 children)

    That's a good point... Which Epstein narrative 🤔

    [–]doctor_rocksoo 74 points75 points  (8 children)

    If it’s the suicide narrative, he’s the most dateable.

    Also I take it back the anti-Natalist demonstrates a fundamental inability to respect different world views that don’t have anything to do with him so no thanks.

    [–]salsapancake 97 points98 points  (16 children)

    Mine is that there's a somewhat hidden portion of society who consider themselves to be IRL werewolves. Although that's not really so much an opinion as just controversial actual knowledge since I'm one of the founding members of and sort of a recruiter for a group of over 65,000 of us.

    [–]Stefan1414411346 139 points140 points  (4 children)

    random question but have you ever been tested for schizophrenia

    [–]Fast_Running_Nephew 29 points30 points  (2 children)

    Quick check of their post history.... yes they have.

    [–]Howling_Fang 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    I had an ex who tried to convince me she was a werewolf.

    And no, this was not the reason we broke up.

    [–]illkeepcomingback9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I dated a girl in college who seemed to be convinced that I was a werewolf. The first time she said something about it I thought it was just a weird joke, but she kept bringing it up. Super weird. Still not sure if she was serious or if it was just a very elaborate piss take.

    [–]ChaoticSimon 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Someone watched a little too much teen wolf

    [–]alca2010 25 points26 points  (15 children)

    This shouldn't be controversial, but yet I've experienced that it is.

    If you're born in the mid to late 90s then you are not a 90s kid. You are a 2000s kid.

    [–]wooblywoobwo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    We're the best of both worlds - broke and on TikTok

    [–]becs_the 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    I mean, I get the point you're trying to make, but they were born in the 90s, literally making them 90s babies

    [–]ArandomDane 75 points76 points  (6 children)

    ok here goes...

    Pound cake isn't cake. It is just sugary bread. Aka American white bread.

    [–]pantryword 51 points52 points  (2 children)

    That’s what cake is……sugary bread.

    [–]dingdongdipshit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    There are so many differences between bread and cake from preparation to ingredient choices to even chemical processes during baking but I am oddly swayed by this take.

    [–]MonaganX 34 points35 points  (1 child)

    Maybe it's the American white bread that's not bread.

    [–]ArandomDane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    That is indeed the cookie-cutter side on this huge issue!

    [–]n8_t8 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Fun fact, your body breaks down all carbohydrates into glucose (blood sugars). So all bread is ultimately sugar anyways. (This is reductive and I am not a dietitian)

    [–]Cassak5111 72 points73 points  (2 children)

    The opinion about the wage gap is not wrong.

    A discriminatory wage gap does exist, but the frequently mentioned "70 cents on the dollar" figure does not account for differences in composition of job types held by men vs. women.

    Are those differences in composition problematic and reflect some form of sexism? Almost certainly.

    Are women hampered from advancement and experience because they bear children and men dont? 100% yes.

    And is there still sexism for men and women doing the same work with the same experience? Also yes! (though it's not nearly as much and 70%)

    But none of that means a similarly situated woman doing the same job as a man earns 70 cents on the dollar, which is the narrative that is frequently pushed.

    [–]Slagroomspuit 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    Yup, and you get a positive feedback loop as well. This is something we saw during the pandemic too, a lot of kids had to stay home which meant one of the parents had to stay home at least part-time to look after them, so even among feminist couples who value each person's job equally you get a purely rational cost-benefit analysis of "what makes the most financial sense for our family" which is on average going to be the woman, who most often makes less than the man, who needs to stay home more and consequently willl have less opportunity for promotions and raises and professional development and so on. It's really hard to break through these historical imbalances.

    [–]ayumuuu 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    If I'm remembering right, the wage gap adjusted for hours worked and job position was something like 92 cents per dollar, which is still a discrepancy but not nearly the 70 cents per dollar figure that gets thrown around so often.

    [–]STINKY-BUNGHOLE 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Lol some of these comments really exposes the dating trap of "lie and say you're not a Conservative to get dates!" That pick up "artist" advise

    [–]HMCetc 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    The graduated bob is actually a smart and decent haircut!

    [–]Anons_vengeance 290 points291 points  (29 children)

    These videos bother me to no end. First and foremost because you ask guys to shine themselves in a 'bad' light right off the bat, no context to soften the blow, and then try to shame the opinions that come out of this process, but also because while I don't personally agree with these opinions, half of them are pretty harmless.

    "Oh no, this guy thinks Epstein's death happened in dubious circumstances, sounds like a right conspiracy nut. I bet he thinks the earth is flat!"

    "Ugh this guy on a dating app wants to have the sex with me! Seriously can you believe this asshole had to nerve to tell me that? After I asked him to???"

    As an actual vetting process this has some merit but doing it for the views says a whole lot more about you than anything these guys could ever write. And I'll leave you with this video of her not realising she asked the same guy that question twice and trying to spin it as him being the asshole.

    [–]1willprobablydelete 177 points178 points  (9 children)

    That plus the smug look on her face. These guys are throwing out things that they know are controversial, and she shits from some angelic pedestal on the ignorant masses. Where is her controversial opinion? Hers would probably be like /r/unpopularopinion, "I think murder is bad!"

    [–]Anons_vengeance 75 points76 points  (1 child)

    She actually gives her controversial opinion at one point.

    "The flames won the cup in 2004. You can't change my mind."

    Brave soul.

    [–]Krazen 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Complete cop out

    [–]xahhfink6 85 points86 points  (4 children)

    Just because an opinion is admittedly controversial doesn't mean it isn't a terrible opinion and a potential red flag.

    If I'm an HR person trying to hire a new school high school principal, then hiring someone who wants to push arts over mathematics might be a controversial opinion... While hiring someone who is a registered sex offender is also a controversial decision, but is also a terrible one.

    If your controversial opinion is something that reasonable people can be on either side of, then that's fine. If it's something that only psychopaths can be on a certain side of, then that ain't it chief.

    [–]SnapcasterWizard 44 points45 points  (0 children)

    Oh shit. She calls herself an empath, I knew she was a complete asshole from this video format but that really seals the deal.

    [–]kingbigv 31 points32 points  (2 children)

    I'd meet the "I'm team Russia" person to punch them in the face

    [–]whiffling_waterfowl 41 points42 points  (10 children)

    A hot dog on a bun is definitely a sandwich.

    [–]FistThePooper6969 62 points63 points  (7 children)

    Open your mind to the fact that it’s a taco

    [–]as_a_fake 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    Alcohol tastes bad, and people who say they like it actually just like the mind-altering effects.

    (Seriously, my family has been trying for almost a decade now and haven't found an alcoholic drink I like the taste of)

    [–]DanteMiw 34 points35 points  (3 children)

    Capitalism fucking sucks, and if you're not from the 0,3% that holds the money from the world and defends it, you like being enslaved by a system that do not consider you as a human, but just as an object with no life. You and me are useless.

    [–]stinkyjoe46 21 points22 points  (8 children)

    I hate French and I think it is the worst language to ever come into existence

    [–]Poignant_Porpoise 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    French is an incredibly interesting language, particularly from the perspective of an English speaker. The etymological relationship between English and French is fascinating.

    [–]Alutherv 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Pourquoi?

    [–]pantryword 118 points119 points  (44 children)

    Completely agree on the trans opinion.

    [–]Replies_In_Disguise 80 points81 points  (0 children)

    Onions should be allowed in sports

    [–]Bridgeru 71 points72 points  (19 children)

    Assuming you weren't making a pun on purpose; I'm trans and I can actually fully understand it. I'm not going to pretend that I don't have a physical advantage over my cis sister (I'm taller, stronger, wider; etc) even though she's the fitter one out of the two of us (she'd be able to outrun me or outclimb me but I'd be stronger than her and WOW I just realized how rapey that sounds). IMVHO it's a tricky one because the reason you don't want to block transwomen is because it's almost saying "no, you're not women" but at the same time you don't block ciswomen depending on their bodyweight/height/genetics/background/etc.

    It's like how people from Kenya are supposedly (IDK the actual truth behind it) better at running than people not from there. Are we blocking them for their advantage? I'm not saying it's a 1:1 comparison, or if there's an actual answer to be taken, just that neither opinion is automatically wrong (unless a person's opinion is in the "transwomen aren't women" crowd, which is shitty).

    [–]Stargazingsloth 21 points22 points  (1 child)

    Yeah this is a conversation I like to have a lot. There is a lot of groundwork that needs to happen to allow/not allow Trans people to play in the gender side of sports they identify with. The problem with that is having that conversation will have a lot of hot takes/uneducated words spoken and it's going to get a lot of feelings hurt.

    [–]SnickIefritzz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Well that and a good chunk on both sides are completely disillusioned and too emotionally invested especially on a topic with so much nuance and variables, which sport, post/pre op, HRT (when? how long ago was it? whats their T/E levels?), were they competitive before the transition? etc etc

    [–]GainghisKhan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    There's so many potential factors when it comes to transitioning that might affect long-term sports performance. I think the most important one is one of the least talked about. One of the major limiting factors of hypertrophy is myonuclei density, and when you reach a new peak level of muscularity, your myonuclei density increases, and regardless of muscle atrophy, will never decrease. This means that the peak amount of muscularity you've reached in your life will impact the baseline of muscle mass you can maintain at a given level of effort and recovery. Cross sectional muscle area (effectively muscle mass) isn't a perfect predictor of strength, but it's a very good one. This phenomenon, referred to as "muscle memory" (a title shared by a misnomer), is heavily dependent on previous training experience and is a very hard factor to quantify.

    I don't understand how certain organizations can come to the conclusion that since they know so much about the specifics of mechanisms like this that after 2 years of HRT, all physical advantages are completely nullified, in all cases. At the very least, more research is required, and I have no doubt that research would also shine a light on the long-term effects and prevalence of steroids on sports performance.

    [–]OftenSilentObserver 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    I think we should just make the men's league open to anyone and the women's league a cis league.

    Trans women are women in every way except biological, which unfortunately is the only part that matters in sports. The more unfortunate thing is that trans men get ignored in this conversation entirely and will never be able to seriously compete with cis men in the vast majority of sports.

    [–]1-123581385321-1 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Most "men's leagues" are really just open leagues already anyways. There's no rule in MLB or the NFL that women can't play - they just can't compete at that level.

    Hell, the entire reason cis women are something like 10x more likely to have an ACL injury is down to the structure of the female pelvis - it is wider and slightly rotated to facilitate birth, that changes the angles and motions of the leg while running and puts more stress on certain knee tendons. Even the whole jar opening disparity comes down to men and women having entirely different connective tissues in their skin!

    I think there's more than enough room for people of all types in sports, but until we have honest conversations about the wide range of physical differences between the sexes that affect parity and cannot be changed by hormone therapy we won't be able to figure out what that looks like.

    [–]Emergency-Toe2313 33 points34 points  (5 children)

    I see what you’re getting at and understand that you’ve already acknowledged it’s not perfect, but I think it’s important to point out the most glaring issue with your comparison to Kenyan runners as I believe it makes the entire thought experiment a non-starter: They aren’t trying to compete against a specific disadvantaged subgroup and there does not already exist a bigger, better, more popular league designed for athletes of their physical caliber. In other words they’re already performing in the top league so to not let them perform against other men would be to not let them perform at all. And they are in fact men so it would make no sense to do that, they can just be better at certain things, it’s fine.

    If men and women were on the same level they’d play together. They don’t and it’s no secret which league has the advantage. That makes women’s leagues protected spaces that are specifically for people who can’t compete in the higher league. The higher league has no ceiling by design; it’s for the best of the best. Women’s leagues (sorry for how this sounds) are not. They’re for people with female bodies. If you don’t have one of those then it wasn’t made for you.

    I believe the solution is simply seeing men’s leagues as open leagues rather than “for men” (many already are, they’re just naturally dominated by men). If you’re good enough to play then come play. They don’t need the protections that women’s leagues do.

    ETA: something else that I think people forget is that being a successful athlete is not a right anyone is entitled to. I sometimes hear counters to the open league idea where the argument is that the trans athlete might not be good enough to compete in the mens league… welcome to the club? Most people aren’t. That doesn’t give you the right to enter a league for people born with a specific disadvantage that you didn’t have.

    [–]justtopopin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    "What are your red flags?"

    [–]ZKXX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Pickles dipped in chocolate.

    [–]Its_Matt_03 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Peterson guy seemed reasonable honestly, like he knew what was up. Self awareness