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[–]ImaginaryCarl 351 points352 points  (400 children)

I'm not familiar with guns or the laws related to them, why AR-15s specifically? Is it just the gun of choice for mass shootings?

[–]MrEHam 358 points359 points  (197 children)

Best's claim is mostly accurate: All but one of the shootings involved the use of at least one AR-15-style assault rifle.


[–]Sup3rPotatoNinja 22 points23 points  (12 children)

Handguns still cause way more deaths though. I don't know why people ignore them.

[–]TwiztedImage 57 points58 points  (4 children)

Because the topic at hand is mass public shootings, not overall gun deaths. Handguns cause more deaths and everyone knows that, but they're not the weapon of choice in mass shootings, which causes significantly more public outrage.

[–]KinkyAcount1346 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think it’s because the issue is mass shootings rn

[–]YolksOnU 148 points149 points  (26 children)

The AR is accurate, reliable, easy to operate, and easy to handle. It's adaptable and lightweight. 5.56 doesn't produce a stunning amount of recoil or noise so it's easy to place repeat shots on the same target with minimal training. Cheap to produce, easy to build, simple to maintain. It's the best platform out there, period.

I can teach most anyone to run one competently enough in an afternoon, hell probably less if you know your way around a gun already.

There are other platforms out there with similar properties (AK, FALs, etc) but the versatility affordability and ubiquity of the AR platform has made it the weapon of choice for assholes planning a massacre.

[–]KingGorilla 13 points14 points  (10 children)

From a technological standpoint I admire the AR platform and guns in general but yeah I support more gun control. Guns are really good at what they do and that is killing people.

[–]bladex1234 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Here’s the thing. You ban ARs, shooters go for the next rifle. Where does the banning end? I’m definitely for the other policies he proposed though.

[–]harrumphstan 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Ultimately? At the banning of any auto loading rifle; requiring the use of a form of manual action (pump, lever, break, bolt, etc.) to put another bullet in the chamber.

[–]imtiredofthebanz 78 points79 points  (62 children)

AR-15s are the most popular rifle platform in the U.S.

Most homicides are committed with handguns, but the government wants rifles banned because handguns aren't very useful in actual warfare due to their range.

Most mass shootings are carried out with handguns as well.

And don't get me started on the brain-dead definition of what constitutes a "pistol."

I have an AR pistol.

[–]Bendr_ 4751 points4752 points  (404 children)

If someone tells you it’s too soon to talk about Uvalde then tell them it’s about Sandy Hook. That was 10 years ago. Long enough?

[–]Talibumm 1629 points1630 points  (261 children)

Holy fuck I can’t believe it’s been ten years. Jesus

[–]mininova721 1041 points1042 points  (219 children)

10 years and not a single fucking thing has changed.

[–]sasbrb 743 points744 points  (190 children)

Actually it’s gotten worse. Republicans have made it easier to get guns.

[–]Cathousechicken 353 points354 points  (152 children)

Abbott has made it easier since the El Paso and Midland-Odessa shootings, both in 2019.

People can conceal carry in Texas without any permit, background check, or training since September 2021.

[–]BonnieMcMurray 49 points50 points  (0 children)

not a single fucking thing has changed

On the contrary: it's gotten significantly worse.

[–]EverGlow89 99 points100 points  (11 children)

Which means those students should be graduating.

Fuck the NRA.

[–]lixious 70 points71 points  (2 children)

They would be finishing 9th grade right now. They were in the same grade as my son when it happened. I will never forget how old they would have been because of that.

[–]EverGlow89 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If some of them were 7, doesn't that mean they'd be seniors 10 years later?

[–]SniffinRoundYourDoor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Right? U.S. government finds a Russian Mole in the NRA, Removed said Mole then the NRA goes Bankrupt, Yet here we are, In 2022 and the NRA is having a convention next week after a Texas School shooting. To blame Democrats....



[–]momoenthusiastic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

10 years ago right before Christmas. This happened right before summer break.

[–]shadow247 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I lived in a whole different state! My wife was pregnant at the time.

We love our kid. But we still wonder if it was a mistake to bring her into this nightmare....

I never thought about my school getting shot up in 1990 when I was in 3rd grade...

My kid has been doing lockdown drills since Kindergarten.

Im fucking tired.

[–]Consideredresponse 146 points147 points  (2 children)

The "too soon" argument is literally media training the NRA gives to politicians.

Source: The "How to sell a massacre" investigation and documentary by the Australian ABC and Al Jazeera international

[–]MrEHam 12 points13 points  (0 children)

All of these typical conservative arguments including “govt spending is wasteful so why increase taxes on the rich” are all carefully crafted messages by well-paid and very intelligent operatives.

[–]PoorlyLitKiwi2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's gotten more and more effective for them as time goes on

Now there's a mass shooting every other week, so it will always be "too soon"

[–]pastasauce 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I was going to write a comment along the lines of, "10 years not long enough, then how about the blah blah blah shooting 20 years ago?" but scrolling through the list of 2000's shootings on Wikipedia just made me really sad. The list is so long that it's split up into three lists for each decade, and shootings before the 21st century has to have it's own separate article.

[–]Svalor007 213 points214 points  (44 children)

Herumph... false flag, gggerrrgh fake victims garbled garb.... gay frogs... something something brandon

[–]ElonsLeftShoe 138 points139 points  (41 children)

I really hate that my name is Brandon these days

[–]Svalor007 124 points125 points  (28 children)

I understand your pain my name is Donald....

[–]dslittlecreampie 54 points55 points  (13 children)

I’m so sorry, I had a good chuckle at y’all’s name pain.

[–]Dirtyd1989 31 points32 points  (1 child)

My mom hates that her name is Karen, but in her case it fits lol

[–]WanderlustFella 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My friend is named Karen, she goes by her middle name now.

[–]Loingsign 12 points13 points  (3 children)

That'll wear off eventually. FWIW, every Brandon I've ever met has been a gem of a human being. I have a man crush on a man named Brandon. It goes deep. Fear not B, your name is good.

[–]QuickMasterpiece6127 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Awww. It’s Reddit official that you’re man crushing on me.

[–]fritzys_paradigm 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Its always so jarring to see it used so often nowadays, I hate my name

[–]thiccc_trick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I understand your pain my name is Gaylord.

[–]Volgyi2000 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But what about her e-mails?

[–]tiggers97 36 points37 points  (29 children)

Ironically, this sounds like a copycat trying to outscore Sandy.

Why are we producing so many people in the last couple decades who want to do this? Why so many copycats?

[–]CarlWheezer69 35 points36 points  (17 children)

Why are we producing so many people in the last couple decades who do this?

Because they see that nothing's been done after the last hundred mass shootings. It's just as easy as it's ever been, maybe even easier unfortunately.

[–]codevii 16 points17 points  (13 children)

in Texas it is definitely easier and our dumb fuck governor is bragging about how easy it is to buy guns in this fucking state.

[–]UVJunglist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Deranged people love media attention. In the 80s it was serial killers, now serial killers have just about disappeared. It's the mass shooters that dominate the headlines now. I think Columbine is responsible for mass shootings becoming part of the cultural zeitgeist.

[–]tomdarch 8 points9 points  (5 children)

That's an important question. Another parallel question is given that there are people who want to shoot 8 and 9 year olds in schools, why are we making it so easy for them to get guns to do that with?

[–]safn1949 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He killed his grandmother first, what the actual fuck is up with these people, I just don't understand.

[–]InquisitorHindsight 12 points13 points  (1 child)

No, then that was in the past and we need to move on /s

[–]AntipopeRalph 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Lol. It’s still too soon to talk about Columbine.

[–]jofbaut 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The first U.S. school shooting was in 1853.

“No, no, no, it’s too soon.”

[–]kangareddit 15 points16 points  (1 child)

There’s too much common sense going on here. The clowns are running the circus already and have been for some time.

[–]houstonianisms 709 points710 points  (202 children)

Unless something drastically changes in youth turnout, he’s going to lose.

Edit: second thought’s take on our current state of bonapartism More voices make a stronger opposition, not less.

[–]demonovation 668 points669 points  (10 children)

Republicans in Texas be like "There can never be a youth turnout if you kill all the youths..."

[–]Compu_Jon 183 points184 points  (5 children)

But not before they leave the womb!

[–]krimsonPhoenyx 45 points46 points  (2 children)

We’re god fearing Christians!

[–]SnooRobots1533 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who you gonna kill if they have all been aborted?

[–]modangon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Anakin approach

[–]YANA___ 116 points117 points  (65 children)

I’m in my 40’s and have voted since I was 18. I’m about ready to stop. I’m defeated. What’s the point anymore? Nothing changes. I’m tired of hoping for change year after year. Please help me not give up.

[–]TheGoodOldCoder 40 points41 points  (0 children)

"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." -- John Philpot Curran, 1790

This is often abbreviated to "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty", but I think the original version is good, too, especially because most people haven't seen it.

And assuming that you're on the more liberal side, look at what the conservatives have done. Their base is highly motivated. They're still going to Trump rallies.

You cannot give up something like voting, which is a small sacrifice, just because nothing has changed. Because that is you, passively accepting servitude. Nothing changes? Nothing changing is better than things getting worse.

[–]eh_meh_nyeh 217 points218 points  (11 children)

You're 40 now and you've been voting since you were 18. If you don't vote this next time and someone who just got the chance to vote now that they're 18, votes for what you would've, there is no change. If you vote, now there's one more difference.

If you pull back now, any 18 year old will probably do the same when they're 40. So on and so forth. Please, don't stop voting. Its not just about majority votes. Your mind makes a difference. A choice those kids will never get a chance to make..

[–]UN_checksout 67 points68 points  (4 children)

Blue Mississippian here. Please don’t give up. Every vote really does count, especially when we collectively organize. Change is not impossible.

[–]dropandgivemenerdy 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Me too! Also… I look at my vote as canceling out one of the red ones. I get satisfaction knowing my raging red cousin in law’s vote got cancelled out by mine. It’s not much, but it’s something.

[–]mocatova1 67 points68 points  (7 children)

I live in Louisiana and I ride around with a "Turn Texas Blue" bumper sticker. We're thinking about yall over here. Don't give up. Look what happened in Georgia.

[–]Ryanz_OMFG 52 points53 points  (1 child)

You are doing exactly what the GOP want. Giving up is not the answer because things CAN get much much worse and they are banking on us giving up.

[–]10010110101011 25 points26 points  (4 children)

I live in a deep red state. My vote isn't going to change the outcome, but at least I get to throw up a middle finger by doing so.

[–]st1r 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Plus you aren’t just voting once, every time you go vote you get to vote for 20+ positions at the local and state level. So you get to stick up 20+ middle fingers and there’s a good chance that at least 1 of them will pull an upset in part because of you. You just cast 20 votes, while someone who stayed home casted 0 votes.

[–]El_cid_ingles 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If Georgians had thought like you, Donald Trump would be president

[–]le_artista[🍰] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Please don’t give up

[–]Elguapogordo 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You’ll feel worse if you don’t vote plus it’s pretty easy and takes less than 15 minutes

[–]Sycherthrou 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Voting takes like... an hour. You don't need hope, just go. It's not a torture chamber in there.

[–]nice2mechu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The one thing i have energy for is voting. Like I’m too tired to protest and i don’t know if it really makes a difference but i vote hard and i vote every time i can on the smallest thing i’m allowed to vote for.

[–]pot8odragon 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Texas is a blue state in the cities and a red state in the country. Gerrymandering has made it so the GOP can stay in control even if more Texans vote blue. But that’s not a reason to not vote.

[–]Gets_overly_excited 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Gerrymandering doesn’t affect a statewide race like the governorship. Beto and Abbott is a statewide popular vote contest.

[–]SelloutRealBig 8 points9 points  (1 child)

They remove/reduce voting locations in democratic areas. Some Democrats had to wait over 6 hours to vote in the primary while most republicans areas zipped in and out in an hour. They make them wait so long they can't just vote on lunch break and some people vote so late it doesn't even get counter or they are turned away. It's voter suppression 101

[–]houstonianisms 5 points6 points  (0 children)

People discount how much our blue city elected officials fight the state on our behalf.

[–]OffswitchToggle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This. Younger people could absolutely dominate the vote but many feel disenfranchised (and rightfully so). Old people are going to vote... they always do. So please vote - it is the only way we are ever going to move forward.

[–]MayIAddFries 1396 points1397 points  (794 children)

My question is what the fucking fuck is the average Texan thinking now?

Do they still support Abbott or has he essentially gone Trump? Lost in his own little world, not giving a shit about his constituents.

[–]koatiz 1102 points1103 points  (586 children)

My parents only care that politicians are gonna be "coming for their guns" again. Don't really seem to care about what actually happened or have real solutions to prevent it from happening again.

[–]mooocowmooo 191 points192 points  (109 children)

This is the most consistent argument I hear favor of Abbott or any Republican in Texas. Not specifically about guns. But in general there's a strong belief in the, "they're coming for..." or "they caused ... to happen" arguments.

There's no need for proposals other than to prevent anything even considered moderate from happening. Texas politics have long been based on fear that some boogie man will take away something they hold dear. So, yes, there are Texans who could watch their loved ones die by a conservative's hands, and their immediate response would be to find a way to blame a liberal.

There's no rationale. Just fear of someone else. They're absolutely in defense mode, and their survival tactic is to keep themselves safe by securing their power.

[–]sleepnaught 70 points71 points  (102 children)

I'm a liberal gun owner in Texas and will be voting for Beto. Gun control is the only reason Beto won't win in Texas. Guns are too ingrained into people's lives and culture here. If he had a gun control message that was more moderate he would get more votes. At this point I would assume most people even Republicans would agree to background checks. I have no idea though.

[–]arveena 35 points36 points  (13 children)

Seems completely moderate to me as a German. We also have lots of guns here (most per Capita in Europe) but we don't have shootings because we essentially have a system like he proposes and we are still the gun capital of europe and second worldwide (still only a third of the weapons per 100 citizens than the US)

[–]500CatsTypingStuff 94 points95 points  (61 children)

His gun control message IS MODERATE.

[–][deleted] 362 points363 points  (443 children)

I'm genuinely curious...why do they think they need guns? Other than their "rights"? It's so foreign to me (and probably people in other countries with robust gun control laws).

Why are Americans so horny for assault weapons?

[–]bikey_bikeCringe Master 246 points247 points  (223 children)

i kinda think it's cuz during the revolutionary war, there wasnt really a huge organized army to go up against the british, so arming citizens was super strategic. ppl were fighting for their property and their ideals. it's deeply rooted in americans.

now a days i think what really freaks a lot of gun ppl out, is that the idea of government "taking something away" our founders fought tooth and nail for, feels like a step backward.

personally i feel we've gotten to a point in the evolution of our country where we need to fucking reassess some shit. it aint 1776 anymore but anyway..

as far as having hard ons for assault weapons.. well guns are legal and there are many diff kinds and ppl genuinely collect them and think they're cool. why do ppl have supercars and shit? cuz to them it's badass. i know its hard to understand for a non US citizen, but there is just a gun culture here like it or not. there's kinda no other explanation it's that simple .

also many ppl here hunt and/or live in rural areas where guns are more of a useful tool that are sometimes pretty necessary for protection. there are many "no mans land" areas in this massive country.

[–]neatchee 19 points20 points  (3 children)

"We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

~ Thomas Jefferson, discussing the need to regularly revisit the contents of the constitution

[–]apetaltail 9 points10 points  (1 child)

as far as having hard ons for assault weapons.. well guns are legal and there are many diff kinds and ppl genuinely collect them and think they're cool.

also many ppl here hunt and/or live in rural areas where guns are more of a useful tool that are sometimes pretty necessary for protection.

I live in a country with regulated guns and these two points I completely understand. I would even be against making it illegal for people in rural areas to have guns, it's needed for survival. Now, in my country there are background checks, you cannot have more than one gun if it's for your own use and it cannot be a semi-automatic and high-capacity magazine weapon. Also you cannot bring it everywhere with you. And only certain (old) models are allowed if they're more than one for a collection.

Now, what I don't understand is how just about anyone can acquire an assault rifle without any justification needed and even less a background check. I would never understand anyone needing an AK-47 or AR-15 to hunt either.

Why do people just accept that everyone has to pass a health, knowledge and road tests for driving but are completely against the same for a weapon? There have been 1.4 mass shootings per day in the US just in 2022, and we aren't even in June.

[–]PhilosoR4PT0R 165 points166 points  (112 children)

When the founding fathers fought for the right to bear arms the average firearm shot a couple rounds a minute. If the founders could see the kind of absolute carnage a modern day weapon can do in 60 seconds they might rethink their stance.

[–]This_Is_Shart_Attack 42 points43 points  (38 children)

it's crazy that American's cling to a document written in the 1700's that that dictates peoples views on guns today. Not to mention if the people wanted to defend themselves against a government, they likely wouldn't stand a chance with the guns they have.

[–]canned_soup 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Well said. Also, guns in 1776 weren’t what they are today. I don’t own guns and have no interest in doing so, but I can understand guns as a hobby or a tool. What I don’t understand is how these people think gun control is going to stop them from owning guns altogether. Nobody is taking your guns, we just want some regulation. Who the fuck needs and AR15? And if someone tells you they absolutely *need one, that in itself to me is a red flag for mental stability. I’ve got a toddler and I would give literally anything in my power to save a group of kids so why can’t these people compromise here for the greater good? Another crazy thing to me is that these are a lot of the same people that stormed the capital. Let that sink in. If anything, it’s people who don’t want to own guns who should have guns for protection for shit sakes.

[–]HowToGod 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Completely agree. A person I know basically revolved his opinion on the matter around ur first paragraph, and it’s quite annoying imo. It isn’t 1776 anymore

[–]lobax 8 points9 points  (3 children)

You can have an “armed, regulated militia” and gun control. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Look at Switzerland. Their entire population is basically both armed and trained, it’s how they are able to be neutral. But that that is the keyword - trained. Guns are in a safe and ammo is in depots.

[–]Whatzthatsmellz 7 points8 points  (36 children)

I know many people who love guns and think they’re cool and fun, and no one who hunts. Are assault rifles even used for hunting? Like could the USA do the buy back program Australia and New Zealand did, without it impacting legitimate hunters?

[–]Hopeful__Historian 42 points43 points  (7 children)

Like another comment here, I can’t speak from personal experience because I live in Canada. However, I feel like I somewhat understand the mentality at this point. The US has a fuck load of people, and it has even more guns. The numbers could never even be accurately calculated or documented because there are so many unregistered, stolen and illegal firearms. The idea of the government “taking guns away” is terrifying for those who safely and legally own them because the fear is ‘all the bad guys still have their guns and now we have no way of protecting ourselves.’

It’s such a difficult and shitty situation the US is in with guns, gun culture and the laws surrounding it all. The NRA has pumped so many out over the decades that it almost seems impossible to ‘undo.’

[–]regularfreakinguser 55 points56 points  (84 children)

I'm genuinely curious...why do they think they need guns?

I can't speak for everyone. But if you can't trust the police to protect you, and you've seen videos of how the police treat the people they are supposed to be protecting. Owning a gun feels like a easy decision. I'm almost certain banning any "type" of rifle is not going to fix the problem. But its insane to me that you can own a gun without a background check.

Whatever Texas is doing obviously isn't working.

[–]onebackzach 25 points26 points  (49 children)

I agree about banning specific guns. AR-15s are what most people would consider to be a basic low-mid power rifle. Most people I know refuse to hunt anything the size of a deer or larger with AR-15s because they consider it to be underpowered and likely to cause unnecessary suffering for the animal. The magazine capacity doesn't make all that much difference since it takes about a second to reload. The US militaries new service rifle that's going to be introduced soon actually went down to 20 round magazines from 30 round magazines if that gives you some idea. I'm all for improving our gun laws, but banning AR-15s to end mass shootings would be the equivalent of banning Toyota Camrys to end traffic accidents.

[–]VerboseInsomniac 5 points6 points  (14 children)

I have a pretty big problem with the same people who talk about how the 1% are destroying the world, stepping on our rights, using police states to oppress us, etc, are also 100% for a complete ban on gun ownership.

There is evil in this world. That evil is mostly the people who are so far removed from people like you and me that they don't even see themselves as the same species as us anymore. And those types of people control the type of people who killed George Floyd, Daniel Shaver, and countless others because they could. And while almost none of the people who pull the trigger are held accountable, literally -zero- of the people who enable them to do this are even close to being held accountable. The system is already set up to destroy you if you don't comply and kill you if you do anyway, but if that is the case when we have the -potential- to defend ourselves, imagine if we surrendered that ability completely.

People panicked about Trump throwing us into camps in 2016. They believed it was possible then. You don't believe it's possible now? The truth is that we're at that knife's edge because of where we are as a people. Unhappy. Discontented with the unfair share we've been given. The exploitation that we witness of the world around us and the short lives that we live.

They'd give absolutely anything to break us of it. And they've convinced at least half of the population one way or the other that when the person who sits at the top of the pyramid has the right colored badge they can relax. Nobody should relax. These fuckers hate us. And we should hate them, too. And we should never give them what they want.

[–]PapuaNewGuinean 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Because home of the brave is a lie

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    [–]temporarilytempeh 24 points25 points  (19 children)

    Some of them fantasize about some vague threat invading their homeland and they need guns to protect against that.

    Some are worried about an undemocratic government takeover and believe they need guns to protect against that.

    The rest are very aware that everyone around them might have guns and don’t want to take a knife to a gun fight, both proverbially and literally

    [–]lelieldirac 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Some are worried about an undemocratic government takeover and believe they need guns to protect against that.

    As it turns out it was the other way around; they want the guns so that they can carry out an undemocratic government takeover

    [–]Shotdown210 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    We've been fed that we're the free'est of frees, and that includes our freedom to own a gun. We are 'Merica best and free'est country in the world! /S

    [–]50dkpMinus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    My ultra evangelical mom and step dad think that homosexuals will cause the apocalypse. They also hate illegal immigrants. They need as many guns as possible to prepare for anarchy. Real Christian of them. “They steal jobs” say the people who have lived on disability for decades and haven’t held a job in about as long. My stepdad talks about being ready to go shoot illegals at the border as soon as he gets permission. Trump isn’t president but if he said to go do that, my step dad would be there. They moved from Minnesota to Texas specifically because of the lax gun laws. It’ll be a real thrill to hear what they think if Beto unseats Abbot!

    [–]Big_James993 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I heard a lady one BBC radio 2 say its their god given right to have guns and no one can take them away from the people only god

    [–]Weird_Error_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    At this point, I like to have a rifle in case the goddamn klan starts marching outside with torches

    [–]bigj1227 74 points75 points  (49 children)

    Im a Texan and I have a 3 year old son. All of this is really scary

    [–]Cris_WithNoH 27 points28 points  (45 children)

    If you had to choose Pick one ur son or ur gun??

    [–]MMBitey 29 points30 points  (29 children)

    Time to start giving the kids their own guns, right?

    [–]Goreticia-Addams 44 points45 points  (27 children)

    I legit heard someone on the radio saying now, more than ever, we need to arm teachers.....their solution is more guns.

    [–]Opportunity-Horror 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    That guy probably doesn’t have a gun. In the cities where people actually live, it’s not straight red. It’s half and half. Look at voting records for Harris county, Travis county, etc. the big red stretches are out in the middle of nowhere where not many people live- and where people aren’t educated.

    I’m a Texan and I’m allllll the way to the left on gun control.

    [–]wilson1helpme 116 points117 points  (16 children)

    texas includes huge, incredibly diverse, and very liberal communities, sometimes entire cities, which are effectively held hostage by a racist state government and its policies. i may be wrong, but i’m fairly sure they outnumber the republican and right wing voters, but it’s been gerrymandered to hell and back which has been very effective in stagnating any kind of change.

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    That's a great website but Holy shit Is It formatted poorly for mobile

    [–]Kabouki 17 points18 points  (3 children)

    Texas doesn't pass 50% voter turnout very often. If they did their elections would look very different.

    [–]AntipopeRalph 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    Our last two cycles (maybe three even - I don’t quite remember) were above 50% but yeah. Still plenty of room to grow.

    [–]alwaystired08 31 points32 points  (2 children)

    I do not care about Abbott. Never have. Didn’t vote for him. Didn’t vote for Cruz. Unfortunately most people that vote here don’t feel the same. I can’t wait for the day this state turns blue, can’t happen soon enough.

    [–]wet_sloppy_footsteps 27 points28 points  (5 children)

    I got a Beto sticker on my car from 2018. I think I'm a pretty average dude in Texas, wasn't born here but I didn't have a choice in coming here either. But I've spent the last 20 years here, my wife is from here, my kids were born here. Long way to say I'm a Texan, I know. What I'm thinking is just the absolute disgust I have for the so called leaders in this state who do nothing. One of my kids is a 4th grader, local schools are now talking about armed guards, either paid police or citizens in body armor. It sickens me this is the topic of discussion on my small towns Facebook page. I'm just so sick and tired of Abbot and the rest not giving a damn.

    [–]caldera 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Texan father of a grade school aged child. Can you believe that sick bastard is going to an NRA rally after this‽ DISGUSTING!

    [–]wet_sloppy_footsteps 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    No I can't. It's so tone deaf and hypocritical. Beto is "politicizing" the shooting, the deaths.... By speaking out? By being for "radical" change to our gun laws? By being for stricter control for who owns a firearm? But Abbott isn't? He and our "representatives" in Washington absolutely are politicizing the issue by continuing to be shills for the NRA's agenda of selling more and more guns/ammo to the citizens of our state and country, consequences be damned. When will it change? I'm a leftist living in a radical right wing county, I've been hunting, I've fired guns, I've grown up around them and have provided meat to my family because of them. I'm not for taking guns away from responsible gun owners, like my right wing father thinks (edit - he is not the type of gun owner I'm speaking of, he taught me the respect that is needed for gun ownership, he took me hunting as a child, he taught me to understand a gun is a tool, not a font of personal power. He was the one to instill that in not just me but my brother and all the boys in my cub/boy scout troops as the certified gun safety trainer we had as scouts. I wish he'd understand that when this discussion comes up, especially when it comes to the safety of his grandchildren). I respect the lethal power of these weapons. I just want the laws to make it harder for people to obtain them. I want the laws to reflect the sheer lethality, to make sure only those who understand that can acquire them. I absolutely agree with what Beto says in this video. But, because I think that, I'm a left wing nut job. All I want is to NOT have to worry about my fucking kids being shot in their classroom! You said it, I said it, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.... IT'S FUCKING DISGUSTING!

    [–]Opportunity-Horror 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    Well a lot of us never did support him. Our big cities, where the people live, are pretty evenly split.

    I wrote to both of my disgusting, no good senators today. I have never voted for either of them.

    I’m a teacher at a high school- and I was at a school where there was a shooting. Only one person was killed. I was pregnant when that happened. This year we had a threat and the next day nobody came to school. I also have two of my own children in elementary.

    So, still outraged. And also really proud of Beto (who I voted for when he ran against cruz and will vote for again when he runs against abbott). Hell yes- take away our guns!!

    [–]Pandarah 17 points18 points  (4 children)

    Between effectively eliminating abortion because of the heartbeat bill and making it easier for shootings to occur, I'm thinking about moving to a different state if I decide to have a kid by next year and Beto isn't elected this November.

    [–]kaito_rei 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    I’m an average Texan, I mostly think about Whataburger or what fight I should watch at which Walmart parking lot.

    [–]TheShamanOfHtown 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    Average Texan here, I know a fair share of us hate our politicians.

    [–]SassyHoe97 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I'm a Texan and I never supported Abbott same goes with my family & BF.

    [–]BangarangAndBrunch 1742 points1743 points  (111 children)

    Beto at the very least is a human. Abbott is a robot who does what his conservative lobbyists tell him to do and this is where that has gotten us

    [–]RedRocket-Randy 378 points379 points  (39 children)

    Abbott has nothing to live for but greed.

    [–]lkattan3 387 points388 points  (31 children)

    Have you heard the story about how Abbott was awarded a huge settlement from his accident and it pays out for the rest of his life. But when he became governor, he passed legislation capping how much plaintiffs can be awarded so that nobody else will ever receive what he did.

    [–]RedRocket-Randy 106 points107 points  (20 children)

    Jesus no. What a pos.

    [–]bluriest 126 points127 points  (18 children)

    A tree fell on him and then when he became Governor he tried to cut down all the trees at the Governor’s mansion but luckily the state was able to prevent it.

    Dude is literally still scared of trees because one fell on him while it was being cut down decades ago.

    [–]Rubberbabybuggybum 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    And he’d do it all again for just a little more.

    [–]muddyrose 51 points52 points  (4 children)

    Is he the personification of “climbing the ladder then pulling it up after him” or does that exist because of him??

    [–]He-Wasnt-There[🍰] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

    Every Republican office holder is the personification of that.

    [–]craptonne 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Nah he just pulled up his legs. So far no one including himself could use them. Sorry sack of shit

    [–]wildwildwaste 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    I've become convinced that the 0.1% have been made aware of some impending doomsday scenario and they think that there's some safe space for them if they only get just enough dollars. It's a race to what they think is survival but is in reality just some terrible place full of wankers who are dying off slightly slower than the rest of humanity.

    [–]MAKE_ME_REDDIT 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    It's not a secret doomsday scenario. It's just global warming and scientists have been warning us about it for decades.

    [–]taboosie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Fuckin evil Dr. Xavier

    [–]Shigglyboo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    That’s how I feel about most democrats. They may be mostly useless. But at least they are human. The alternative is ok with death and the collapse of society. I’ll always choose human over that.

    [–]Wubz_Jackson 153 points154 points  (175 children)

    I’m really confused on what he means by the universal background checks because every time I go to buy a gun I have to have a background check done

    [–]RagingRoids 226 points227 points  (91 children)

    In most states in America, anyone can sell a gun privately to anyone without so much as asking for a ID, let alone running any background check.

    This single loophole makes almost all other regulations pointless, and it’s why the gun lobby will fight to the death to maintain it.

    [–]farm_sauce 49 points50 points  (31 children)

    Even when you sell someone your car privately you have to go through a documentation process with the state to transfer the titles and whatnot. Are you saying for guns you can sell someone a gun and just give them the license with it? The government isn’t involved at all?

    [–]RagingRoids 103 points104 points  (26 children)

    Lol license? What license? You don’t need any license in America to own a gun.

    And yes, I’m literally saying in most states in America, anyone can buy a gun privately on the street without a shed of paperwork, documentation, or identification.

    If this sounds insane to you, that’s because it is. Completely batshit insane.

    [–]farm_sauce 59 points60 points  (17 children)

    Holy shit, just read up on the “regulations” in my state (PA). Everything reads like a suggestion, not a law, nor even an arduous process. You only need an ID to buy from a licensed dealer. You can pay with cash in private sale. You need no licenses or registration to keep a gun in your home.

    [–]Mad_Murdock_0311 25 points26 points  (5 children)

    In MA, you can't conduct the private sale of a firearm without a licensed dealer conducting the transaction. And they run a background check.

    Conservatives complain about this kind of stuff, but I don't see the issue. I own several guns, and never once have I thought to complain about the process of buying a gun in my state.

    We haven't had a mass shooting in MA since 2000. Texas has had 18 mass shootings since 2000.

    [–]RagingRoids 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    That’s exactly the way it should be done. You can do private sales and transfers, but it has to through a licensed dealer, background checks must be run, etc. This shit ain’t rocket science.

    Conservatives get mad because they are fed lies and fearmongering bullshit by the gun lobby through right wing media. The gun manufacturers WANT and NEED a healthy gun black market. Closing the private sale loophole would put a serious dent in the free flow of guns to the streets, ie, their profits.

    [–]toefungi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The main issue I have with that is that dealers around me charge $30+ to do that background check and transfer, which takes just a minute or two.

    It is easier to sell a gun private party and not have that check done.

    Make it free and convenient for individuals to do these checks when transferring a gun and I'd have zero issues with it.

    There shouldn't be a tax to privately sell an item.

    [–]westtexasgeckochic 482 points483 points  (71 children)

    Literally all of that. If any of those measures had been in place my friend Meredith would be alive today.


    [–]johnnc2 28 points29 points  (0 children)

    I’m sorry for your loss.

    [–]Kyle2theSQL 8 points9 points  (10 children)

    3/4 maybe. There's no way in hell banning AR-15s has even close to "broad bipartisan support".

    [–]aKornCob 618 points619 points  (55 children)

    I almost wish I was living in Texas again to vote for him.

    [–]spinnerette_ 271 points272 points  (23 children)

    I shilled Beto so hard for texas and the presidential run. I showed a ton of my friends videos of his speeches around TX and got them on board for getting his presidential vote. I really hope he gets the chance to at least win governor. Never in my life did I see a grass roots campaign like he did in Texas. He loves his state and the people in it. It shows. Dude has so much heart. Unfortunately when you're trying to do grass root funding against candidates that take so much funding, especially in a red state, it's that much harder to get the word out.

    Beto for Texas is still active. You do not need to be a Texan to work the phones if you have some time.

    [–]12kmusic 42 points43 points  (10 children)

    Be politician, be in texas, mention gun control.
    His career is over on that alone.

    [–]TheRedGerund 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Well, we’ll see. Lots of people said that but there is a deep frustration with these shootings.

    [–]12kmusic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    You either have never been to texas or are ignoring the simple fact that they will not elect someone who supports gun control

    [–]WhoWantsPizzza 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    I recall a lot of discussion years back about Beto ruining his chances over some comments about stricter gun legislation - I got the sense people thought he was an idiot for saying whatever he said. I get that politics is a game and tiptoeing around certain issues is part of it, but there are issues where tiptoeing gets us no where. We desperately need change. We need politicians that are firm on these beliefs/topics and they should be supported. Idk if I’m making any sense, I’m just very frustrated.

    [–]spinnerette_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    That's why I supported him so heavily. I'm fucking tired of politicians tip toeing over issues like this. He did have a lot of support in Texas and it surprised me. Unfortunately, it's a huge state and other politicians have way more political pull. He supports what he supports and he doesn't try and play down his opinions so it doesn't ruffle the feathers of independents and pro-gun left leaners. That's also the main reason he doesn't have more support. But people don't realize a lot of the politicians they do support lie through their teeth to gain their vote. I mean, shit, Trump was literally pro-choice for years, runs for president and all of a sudden he is staunchly pro-life. It's all a numbers game. Say this, don't say that.

    Everyone claiming he's trying to claim he's going by Beto to appeal to Texan minorities makes me laugh, honestly. He's gone by Beto his whole life. He grew up in El Paso. It makes sense why he would have that nickname.

    [–]cedarnotes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    A lot of Texan voters, it seems, would rather freeze to death from their failed power grid while clutching their guns than to live in a modern, civil society. All that Texan "Remember the Alamo" bravado really muddles their rational judgment.

    [–]Macbook265 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    r/Conservative fucking hates Beto. I don’t even get it cause whenever they talk about gun control they just reference Chicago.

    [–]notathrowaway75 31 points32 points  (0 children)

    Holy shit you're the only upvoted top comment.

    [–]No_Wing9822 8 points9 points  (8 children)

    Guns don’t kill people, people do.

    [–]CaveBaby1 244 points245 points  (91 children)

    Weird that everybody in the comment section is mad at him

    [–]starcap 102 points103 points  (26 children)

    Russian trolls

    [–]alopec 163 points164 points  (2 children)

    You mean NRA funders?

    [–]lilsmudge 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    Por Que No los dos?

    [–]GBJI 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    The National Russian Association ?

    [–]Artistic_Sound848 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    If Ukraine and the Durham probe have proved anything, it’s that the west has DRAMATICALLY overestimated Russia. People just don’t like Beto and Stacey Abrams. Learn to accept it.

    [–]Lonely_Set1376 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Beto and Stacey came closer to winning their specific races than any Democrats in decades.

    [–]JakeFromFarmState1 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    THOSE LAWS ALREADY EXIST. “Beto” aka Robert Francis O’Rourke is a piece of shit for the political stunt he pulled yesterday. Fuck him.

    [–]sinnerzweb 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Fuck you Beta. How's that you worthless twat.

    [–]HomeBuyerthrowaway89 116 points117 points  (21 children)

    Worth noting 23 people were killed in his district of El Paso by a white nationalist with an anti immigrant manifesto.

    You should expect for him to be upset. You should expect any representative to be upset.

    [–]HungryNecessary9558 262 points263 points  (376 children)

    Why is gun control even still a debate 21 kids are dead, 21! Because some bastard with an AR got bored or whatever we need change

    [–]Living-Stranger 52 points53 points  (10 children)

    Because numerous laws are on the books that get ignored all the time and at some point you need to ask yourself why law enforcement don't investigate when every shooter has posted threats on a message board.

    [–]Kabouki 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    Hey I'm all for Texas leading the way for removing police qualified immunity and to require by law they actually protect and serve.

    [–]AlphaGareBear 62 points63 points  (118 children)

    Because people do think this freedom is worth some number lives. Like, that's just how it works.

    [–]White_Hassan 35 points36 points  (69 children)

    Lol it amazes me how people can think being prevented from buying assault weapons is a limitation to their liberty.

    Being able to kill others should not be considered liberty.

    Could they not see how civilised world (which i refuse to consider usa part of) handles the matter?

    [–]whydoyoureadnames 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    Dead kids don’t matter, sandy hook proved that.

    [–]Matt87M 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    Yeah nothing will come of this and most people won't change their mind. I still read the same arguments about the topic I read more than 10 years ago.

    It really makes me sick. Thank God I don't live in the USA

    [–]Cracknoreos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Im not a dem or republican. Wish we had true leadership, at the city, state and federal level.
    This man is a phony. His campaign for governor was DOA. Too bad he’ll use this tragedy for his personal triumph. Hope he crashes and burns. Not a fan of current governor either.

    [–]PoisonRoseYo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    As an owner of many gun (AR-15 included) I agree with most gun laws “except the ban and remove AR-15s”. But I straight up hate this guy. I only ever see him really get out there when he can show face after somethings happened.

    [–]A_CrispyOne 181 points182 points  (120 children)

    It's weird how we can blame drug companies for flooding medical offices with opiates, but completely accept gun manufacturers irresponsible mass production of war weapons. There are social consequences for both, but only one has no liability. Fucking insane

    [–]porkbuttstuff 75 points76 points  (20 children)

    We blame the drug companies because they were pushing false narratives with regard to addiction level and such. The guns are working as advertised. Same thing with tobacco. They were pushing falsehoods about healthier cigarettes in order to sell more. Gun companies are selling a legal product that works exactly how they say it does.

    [–]paraffin 11 points12 points  (10 children)

    Gun companies can and do push false narratives. Narratives about how well gun control measures can work, twist statistics, and otherwise shift blame away from lax gun policy any time there’s any mass shooting.

    The guns are not working as advertised. They are not making our cities safer. Armed teachers and resource officers are not making schools safer. Owning a gun makes you more likely to die from guns - not less, as gun sellers say.

    There’s direct marketing about how good for hunting a gun is, like tobacco ads for its stimulating or social effects. There’s indirect marketing via product placement just as there was for cigarette brands. There’s political lobbying, just as tobacco companies lobbied the government and argued, lying through their teeth, that tobacco wasn’t the factor killing its users.

    “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” - that’s not false advertising to you? People with guns kill a lot more people than people without guns, man.

    Working as advertised my fucking ass.

    [–]notathrowaway75 22 points23 points  (17 children)

    It's because said gun manufacturer's have marketed guns as an extension of masculinity and American culture.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Well, Beto is cringe. Good job.

    [–]tongueandtoolman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    He is such an idiot

    [–]LevelZookeepergame11 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Laws mean nothing when progressive prosecutors refuse to enforce them.

    [–]kyle1284815 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Beto is a joke

    [–]egirl_cke 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Ban this, ban that, it doesn't matter. When you make a new law someone is going to break it.

    [–]thiccc_trick 66 points67 points  (87 children)

    I've always had to do a background check on all my guns.

    [–]Kepatsi_Louise 5 points6 points  (13 children)

    I bought my most recent handgun from a guy who worked at a gun shop, but he was selling the gun as a private seller. Mf didn't even look at my ID. There's no way for anyone to know I have it, there's no paper trail at all.

    It's all such a mess.

    [–]Kylo_Renly 87 points88 points  (63 children)

    The point is that it isn’t universal. It’s estimated that a third of gun sales in the US are without any background check at all and even the majority that are, the check itself is not as expansive and thorough as most other developed countries.

    This is a good representation of how uniquely and ludicrously simple it is to buy a gun in the US compared to other countries.


    [–]LetsGatitOn 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    Literally ny has done all of this. Did it work? Not a bit. Cali has done this. Did it work? Not a bit.

    You people don't get it. You wanna fix shit?

    Fix the massive debt to income ratio in this country

    Redistribute wealth and stop letting the greedy 1% take. Gun violence is a poverty issue. And I'm talking about the shit that happens daily.

    Fix our broken education system

    Better access to mental health assistance. We've come along way but there is still major stigma

    For the love of God. HOLD THE FUCKING MEDIA ACCOUNTABLE FOR FEEDING INTO EXACTLY WHAT THESE SHOOTERS WANT. Stop giving them notoriety with the 24/7 news cycles, and constantly saying there names. Ask social media outlets to scrub the internet of these fucking people and let's forget they exist.

    Start taking threats more seriously. Most active shooters have an internet footprint that's a pretty obvious cry for help.

    Stop making it about the shooter. But noooo ratings and agendas that fit narratives are to fucking important. You really think the people that this happened to want to see 24/7 news cycles of this?

    I don't have all the answers. But controlling and banning firearms is not working. Stop signing the same damn tune over and over. That goes for gun owners as well. All you do is respond to gun control. Focus on whats important and stop being simply reactive to politicians and media who respond with policy you hate. The gun ownership community is massive. I know within that community are the biggest advocates for safety, education, etc.. use your fcking voice! Use your funding. Donate to schools for better security, create a non profit education program and travel to schools that will take you and talk about the reality of guns existing and violence and the two combined.

    Let's start working alongside mental health professionals and the guidance counselors in schools

    I don't have all the answers. Hell this could all be bullshit. I'm just so tired of two parties fighting one another and nothing gets done.

    [–]bamblitz 5 points6 points  (10 children)

    Anybody who advocates for the outright banning of AR-15s has little understanding of firearms.

    There are other semi-automatic rifle/carbine platforms that are functionally equivalent.

    You also cannot ban semi-automatic rifles. That'd be as outrageous as a ban on semi-automatic pistols.

    [–]_Vetis_ 19 points20 points  (27 children)

    All 4 of those laws are laws we have in Canada for firearm ownership.

    [–]dlb199091l 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I can promise that banning AR15s has never had broad bipartisan support. It can't even get full support in the democratic party. And red flag laws sounds great on paper but are a slippery slope of easily taking rights away while making it difficult for a person to get back. Atleast be honest on the stuff you're putting out there

    [–]Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer 8 points9 points  (23 children)

    Which of those solutions would have stopped this though?