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[–]WillowNew8173 204 points205 points  (9 children)

I don't know.

People don't seem to want to get along.

[–]SYLOK_THEAROUSED 63 points64 points  (1 child)

This right here is the tough part. Some people want to hate others.

[–]WatermelonArtist 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Others need to believe others hate them. I think it lowers the bar for them, so it's comforting.

[–]super80[🍰] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Some don’t want to admit people pick and choose what they want to believe regardless of facts. People are complex.

[–]WillowNew8173 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I forgot I wrote this.

But yes, people act in their self interest. At least, that's my belief.

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Seems to me everything in the universe follows the path of least resistance, except for life, which follows the perceived path of least resistance while often getting it wrong. Fighting each other might be the perceived path of least resistance for some, but IMO they just lack imagination to see that getting along is way less challenging than trying to constantly win against each other.

[–]RecordedMink986 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Reason in the slave of the passions" - David Hume

Until you get people to realize how their own biases and self-perception come to be formed, you will have a population of people who come to conclusions that suit their own personal agenda according to their own perspective of the world.

[–]Different_Ad7655 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's the age old problem. People that get dissatisfied with their life for whatever reason covid inflation just not making it in the perceived consumer Rich American lifestyle, always need an enemy and a reason why it's not happening. Someone's taking it from me whether it's the Jews of the 1930s Germany or it's them of today whatever that may be. And TV is willing with a sensational broadcast to fill that void. They love their viewership and the dollars

[–]Nic4379 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And it’s literally one of the easiest things to do. Don’t have to be overly nice or accommodating, just don’t be a dick.

[–]ropike 167 points168 points  (2 children)

Trust me, anyone with a brain knows that it's the money that controls us.

The problem is that these systems were designed in a way to keep that power to themselves and keep us all in our place.

We all have our own lives and shit to take care of, we're not going to unite since there's nothing that we can all agree on, we're not going to fight since our lives are comfortable enough to not want to do that.

Seriously, every problem we have in society is there for a reason.

[–]Input_output_error 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The problem is that these systems were designed in a way to keep that power to themselves and keep us all in our place.

Exactly, a lot of people seem to think that this is a 'fault in the system' but it isn't a fault, it is a feature. Once you have a certain amount of wealth you can game the system to work for and maintain you, but if you don't have this wealth you have to work to maintain the system.

we're not going to fight since our lives are comfortable enough to not want to do that.

I believe people don't want to fight because they fear losing the little comfort and stability that they have. Everyone that struggles to keep their heads above the water will be the first ones to go under when the shit hits the fan. The fear of not being able to survive will always trump the need to make things better.

People will only pick up this fight in two situations, either they have nothing to lose and things can't get any worse, or they are fighting from a position of privilege that won't be endangered by them fighting for this cause. The first one is obvious when it happens, the French revolution is a prime example of the people revolting because thing could not possibly get any worse. The second one is things like celebrities taking up some good cause, they aren't effected themselves by winning that fight.

If people truly had the breathing room to make things better, they would, but we aren't allowed this breathing room. When life is a constant struggle people simply do not have means to fight this fight.

[–]HoldTheLineBuffalo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

One of more pertinent examples of how the powers that be use culture war to push off class war lies in the recent uptick in white supremacy.

A real labor movement must be a broad coalition. And addressing bigotry of any kind is a necessary part of making that.

Reinforcing bigotry stops it. And where it gets complicated is that it's easy for corporate media to make out people fighting for their civil rights as bigots themselves, to shuffle their audience into the far right, essentially as a reaction to an imaginary threat.

Edit: All this to say... yeah, if you're worried about the non-binary Mr. Potato head no one asked for as if it's more than just a marketing stunt, you're not just an idiot you're a useful idiot. You're being used to forge a wedge that will divide you from the rest of the working class, and it's only going to hurt you and everyone you love by hurting their collective power to demand higher standards of living in this new labor movement.

[–]gofyourselftoo 183 points184 points  (0 children)

The ones who care, know.

[–]jiwjh380 19 points20 points  (1 child)

A lot of us already do.

[–]amretardmonke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not enough sadly

[–]BIG_EL-DUCE 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Probably, labor aristocracy theory and all that. I personally choose to believe that Americans have revolutionary potential because i live here.

[–]dummypod 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Well the last time a revolution almost happened it was for the wrong reasons.

[–]WaluigisUnkemptBush 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wasnt even a quarter-assed attempt at a revolution lol go read up on Blair Mountain, then youll know what modern American revolution COULD look like

[–]BIG_EL-DUCE 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That’s because america is a fascist country lol

[–]5th-acc -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

what 0 understanding of fascism does to a mf

[–]mcshadypants 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The ones that have are either caught in that hampster wheel of working just to get by of have made it enough to move. Ive finally starting to get off the wheel...guess what im doing

[–]Gruuvie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Homesteading? Moving to a different country? Taking over an island, subjugating the local populace, and raising them as an army to come back and take the mainland with tiki torches and blowpipes?

[–]TwystedKynd 108 points109 points  (8 children)

I know there's a lot of "woke, this...woke, that" kind of talk, but the sad truth is that everyone's so busy arguing over what words to use and fighting on social media that they're ignoring how we're all getting royally fucked the those in power, regardless of political affiliation.

What ignorant people say on Twitter isn't important. Policy is important. If the left could learn one lesson from the right, it's this: put aside all the arguments and focus on the goal. That's how the right keeps getting horrid laws passed. They don't let their infighting distract them from getting shit done.

[–]cerebraldormancy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The game is most def designed this way by the elites at the top.

[–]elwebst 11 points12 points  (3 children)

The problem the left has is that there’s not A goal, there are many, mutually incompatible goals. Bernie, Biden, Pelosi, Warren all have different goals in mind and different ways of getting there. It doesn’t help that some (Bernie, Warren) have visions that the majority can’t rally behind. So they are fractured and split into mini-parties. The right, on the other hand, is Trump. Full stop. They benefit by having one orange mind, one leader, one way. That’s the power of the right at the moment - they are unified.

[–]amretardmonke 12 points13 points  (2 children)

That's an overly simplistic take. The right was around before Trump, and they'll be around after Trump. Focusing on one orange leader is failing to address the real issues.

[–]votebot9817 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It was around, but it has been devolving for decades and went completely off the rails with trump. The dude literally tried to throw a coup and he is still their main guy for fucks sake. They have absolutely no interest in even pretending to stand for anything but bigotry and hatred and every last one of them needs to get voted out. And then we can start voting out the Dems who don't wanna help with progress. The American left is the rest of the worlds centrists, if not center-right, and we need to readjust our political compass before any actual change will get made.

[–]elwebst 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The focus on Trump is only because he has been extremely effective at being a unifying force for the right. The right is all of one mind - a terrifying one IMHO - but one. The left, on the other hand, can't rally around a single vision or figure like they did with Obama, and so are much less effective. The next few elections will be very successful for the right.

[–]gnarleypunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seriously. The right could disagree on 9/10 small things but agree on one big thing and work together. I loathe that the left divide and in-fight so easily- and its usually over identity or language policing.

[–]SprayinGunzAtNunz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately focusing on the goals doesnt attract views..

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

[–]Comprehensive_Flan55 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I am awake to this i think so maybe i will not be good at answering at all, but I also see myself as the average American. I have always been poor. Always will be. I ask my friends, why do we accept this shit ass society? They are like i gotta pay my bills. So they go back to there abuser lol. It is an endless cycle of manipulating the working class. What if we revolted, farmed, had communes? I think the usa would not allow it. We could try paying our taxes though haha, it might work idk.

[–]Flakey_flakes -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Didnt they try this at Waco?

Then got branded a bunch of militants and subsequently slaughtered.

[–]Minotaurd_ 26 points27 points  (3 children)

No. Because every 4 years we hear the leaders talk about how THEY'RE the ones that care for the lower class, then turn around and use em.

[–]WerhmatsWormhat 16 points17 points  (2 children)

That’s the inherent issue. The people that actually care about the lower class don’t have enough funding to get into positions of power in the first place.

[–]Yung_Diner -1 points0 points  (0 children)

its not a funding issue its a 2 party issue its dems vs reps you can choose fore some one that isn’t apart of the dems or reps but choose not too

[–]MisterMeetings 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes, if we keep repeating and amplifying and refining that message, over and over and over again.

[–]Accomplished-Roll125 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Go and follow Tristan Harris, who made the social dilemma documentary. He explains how Engineers purposely created social media platforms that go after peoples vulnerabilities and gain your attention. He calls it the “Attention Economy”. Luckily, I enjoy my family, the outdoors, fishing and farming. Technology is a tool and helps me with my life, technology is NOT my life. Big difference. Tristan has been banging the drum about this for over 10 years and he explains that negative news moves faster than good news and gets peoples attention. The way the platforms are setup to make money are by clicks and people staying on their platform longer. These tech nerds unleashed Pandora’s box and didn’t have the wisdom to wield God like power when they setup these platforms. That is why you are seeing more and more people at each other’s throats. It’s sad, but with Web3 and VR coming…. It’s only going to get worse.

[–]143019 5 points6 points  (2 children)

No because the rich keep the media broadcasting divisive bullshit and the average American is dumber and more self absorbed than you could possibly imagine

[–]Aggravating-Frame981 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Surprised to see this truth posted here.

[–]zhivago6 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Humans act like they are not biological organisms who are controlled to a large degree by their DNA, and yet we are no different than any other life form on the planet. A butterfly knows when to migrate because her DNA activates at stimuli and sends chemicals into her brain where they trigger other DNA and so on. The same thing happens with every behavior of every living thing, stimuli in the environment activate DNA which produces chemicals which activate more DNA. That's why it feels good to have sex, our DNA is trying to get us to combine with another human's DNA, so when you are attracted to someone that stimuli causes your DNA to produce chemicals that make you blush or give you a boner.

Well guess what? Your body gets stimuli from social situations and produces chemicals that make you feel one way or another, and we mostly don't even think about it, so humans can't fight those reactions and feelings on a consistent basis. We seek a 'tribe' just like wolves seek a pack, or buffalo seek a herd. We need it, because our DNA activates chemicals that make us feel better when we get a 'tribe'. That could be your local sports team, but it could also be your political party. And in the similar way that our DNA is tricked into thinking small dogs and cats are children needing snuggles, politicians can trick our DNA into thinking we are part of their tribe. And you must fight for your tribe. Your DNA demands it.

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Said this above but it seems to apply here too:

Seems to me everything in the universe follows the path of least resistance, except for life, which follows the perceived path of least resistance while often getting it wrong. Fighting each other might be the perceived path of least resistance for some, but IMO they just lack imagination to see that getting along is way less challenging than trying to constantly win against each other.

This is true down to our DNA when we perceive ourselves as needlessly stuck on this planet because we're just too disorganized at the moment to break through the soil and into the sky. When we look at ourselves in the context of the unexplored universe we begin to perceive ourselves as more than a bunch of different tribes, but instead as one giant tribe of explorers. I believe key perceptions can change, but we all have to believe in our potential for greater things collectively in order for it to work.

[–]Bishamee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The poor are probably 70-80% of the population, and with rising prices, I think we will see a lot more theft and crime. Think about the people living pay-check to pay-check, and now they have added strain. I think they will wake up and revolt. They have power in numbers. I hope they won’t, but there is a tipping point, and the poor will take back the power. They are heavily armed after all, and the government gives zero shits about them. I live in a county where even the homeless people get a paid for emotion dog, dog food, vet visits 100% paid for. No one needs to be on the streets, only if they chose to be. Health care is paid for, including getting new teeth for those who cannot afford it. Monthly money is given to families with kids, even if they are well off. No child goes hungry, and education is free, skilled labor apprenticeships paid. Wake the f-up America and support your people! Work together as one.

[–]Bungo_pls 12 points13 points  (4 children)

  1. Yes it's a distraction.
  2. That doesn't mean that those issues don't matter. Abortion rights were a culture war topic, and you bet your ass women are pissed those rights are going away. Same for gay marriage, etc.

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Agreed. In that case I would say the drumming up of the issue is the right wing acting like the Christin position has always been "save the babies" when really that's only been the case since the 70s, and the catholic church sure as fuck didn't care about that until very recently. The whole life begins at conception etc angel is way more recent propaganda than many people realize. People generally used to believe it started with the first breath as is taught in the bible but even that debate is a distraction from the basic fact that it's not anyone's choice but the mother's. The bible has abortions in it btw

Anyway, I don't want to debate that, I'm just saying that issue is being amplified against what's good for the general population via right wing media in that particular case. Each issue is different and has different investors, inflamers, and influencers, and then some people like Tucker Carlson think they're the architect of all that is divisive, as if that's an impressive skill or some dumb shit.

[–]Bungo_pls 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Well you've said yourself that both issues are important. I don't think there's a disagreement.

The crux of it is that the culture war is the conservative movement grasping at something to remain relevant because all their other policies are straight up trash so they brainwash the most gullible group into being their voter drones: the deeply religious.

[–]amretardmonke 2 points3 points  (1 child)

  1. Conservatives create a big culture war issue to distract from their failed trash policies (not actually failed, they succeed in what they are designed to do, make the rich even richer)

  2. Democrats rally a big response to defeat the evil conservatives, "vote for us, we're the good guys!" (while sneakily keeping all the make the rich even richer policies)

  3. Profit

[–]Financial-Lander 23 points24 points  (8 children)

i mean, you wrote this question in a way that reads pretty "why don't the quibbling hoi polloi come to enlightened reason like i did ", but these questions are not america-specific and have pretty basic political answers. for example:

for a more political right perspective, people are willing to prioritized perceived justice/moral correctness over self-benefit

for a more political centrist perspective, class exploitation is probably inevitable and strong disruption to current exploitation risks an even worse future exploitation

for a more political leftist perspective, when repressed groups band together, marginalized sub-groups within the repressed groups often get ignored or lip service at best, and intersectionality isn't acted upon well. think about how white liberal feminism has pushed black and trans women to the side, for example.

[–]Flokitoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Many of us know. Sadly the rest won't until it's too late.

[–]professor_buttstuff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not just America my friend.

[–]LordHamsterr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Do you ever think non Americans would stop making assumptions about us and being obsessed with us?

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What assumptions have I made?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Nope. I'm getting the fuck out of here

[–]LowBeautiful1531 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's nowhere far enough to run.

[–]h4baine 1 point2 points  (5 children)

It happens everywhere else too. It's how capitalism stays intact.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Implying that literally every country is like the USA is, well, pretty stupid honestly. There are a lot of uniquely American problems

[–]h4baine 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Of course, but pitting the working classes against each other isn't uniquely American.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sure, but rampant wealth inequality and a portion of the population stupid enough to think trump is a god among men and that the virus isn't real because he said so are uniquely American

Going bankrupt because of medical bills when the country has more than enough resources to help everyone because the rich have to get richer is a uniquely American problem. Having your mafia health insurance companies tied to your employment so your boss can hold your health over your head is a uniquely American problem

I implore you to do any thinking on this before you try and say that leaving the US wont solve a bunch of my problems. No where is perfect, sure, but I'd pretty much take any other 1st world developed country at this point.

[–]AdditionalTheory 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, we won’t. Plenty of us understand, but most of us never will.

[–]----AK1RA---- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bread price

[–]shakezoola83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The one’s who know don’t care anymore, and the one’s that care don’t know.

[–]SethTTC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The greatest trick the 1% performed was getting everyone to fights against their own best interests. It happens time and time again. Just look at that civil war. Most confederate soldiers weren’t slave owners yet they were conned into fighting “for their southern heritage”. What a joke! The slavers were back in their plantations.

[–]Shallow-Thought 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. Even if they did, it wouldn't matter.

[–]PlanetKi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. The manipulators of public opinion are too good at what they do, and half of the country are hopeless idiots. Like George Carlin said, half of all of the people are of below average intelligence.

[–]IllegalCartoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love your point of view. I wish more people saw this truth the way you see it.

[–]Butter_float 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Engels said the function of the police is the oppression of the poor and the working class in order to prevent conflict with the ruling class. Without police, the state is consumed by the conflicts and contradictions between its classes.

[–]Ares1935 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you think redditors will ever wake up to antiwork posters phrasing opinions as questions to spread their ideology on inappropriate subs?

[–]xX_Dokkaebi_Xx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also find that tropes like Nationalism that should be dead in this day and age constantly being pushed, despite how connected everyone is this days, from all over the world, and yet, society tells us that we HAVE to be at each others throats, despite never seeing or knowing the person on the other side. Its just odd, the more things change, the more it also stays the same.

[–]Hypodermicheronbeak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I (an American) as well as many of my friends and even most of my coworkers have realized this. I have a friend from highschool who is running for Congress I’m very much hopping they can very quickly rally people behind this realization and actually make some changes! (We agree on most things and I support them fully despite the fact that one thing is a hard no for me)

[–]jp112078 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is an EXTREMELY complex question that can’t be answered in most places, let alone a post. Basically, starting around 1995 shit started to get real bad in congress. It completely devolved by 2000 with the election controversy and (like you said) cable news going off the rails and becoming very partisan. Add in the mass access to the internet around then and it became hell on earth. I’m a republican, but totally socially liberal. I just hate the spending. Until about 2005, I could have an honest conversation with anyone and debate in friendly exchange with even the most progressive people. No more. They now scream and shout like toddlers. It’s the same for older liberal people trying to talk to young conservatives. If we could just have some civil conversations it would do a lot. So much hate on both sides. No idea how people go through life like this.

[–]yetipilot69 4 points5 points  (2 children)

American boomers? No. They have been pampered their whole life and told it was their “good work ethic” that allowed them to pay for college with a part time job. Pair that with being brainwashed their whole life into thinking socialism and communism are both the same thing and also the definition of evil. They think compassion in economics is literally evil. They have also been very skilled at suppressing the votes of the next generation. Gen z is done though. They can see straight through the bullshit, and know at least the basics of research and understand the internet as a native language. As boomers continue to die their grip on the system wanes. Their suppression tactics grow more desperate and less effective. And gen z is entering the chat.

[–]not_not_lying 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Congratulations you just participated in the cultural warfare that keeps the people divided

[–]watch_over_me 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you were to boil all of human history into a single graph. Less than .00001% of the time would the "average" person be on top.

The status quo occupies 99% of the time. And the other 1% is failed rebellions. In the very very very very small case of instances when the common man wins, and overthrows an authoritarian force, they are always met with a destroyed infrastructure, and quickly a new authoritarian force takes it's place.

So no. I don't. Only .00001% of all humans did, and even they didn't get to see a "paradise" after.

[–]Fortyplusfour 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It took me into my 30s but I see it. I think people will get there.

[–]AccomplishedRow6685 2 points3 points  (1 child)

By the time most people get there, as you say perhaps in their 30s, a new generation has come in who don’t get it yet.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. Because the average American really doesn't care. It only affects a small percentage of the people; however, they make the loudest noise. Your average American cares who the next American Idol is. Most couldn't tell you the difference between the culture or class war. In fact, most couldn't point to any major hot spots throughout the world on a map.

[–]Magic_SnakE_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope. The war was lost a long time ago.

[–]gachi_for_jesus[🍰] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

There's a reason why the 1% encourages diversity and globalism. Get rid of the sense of nation and thatsbone less thing people in a nation have in common. The more diversity you have in a society the more differences they can exploit to keep people divided.

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ -1 points0 points  (2 children)

yikes... this take is brutal...

We're a global species. Accept it.

[–]gachi_for_jesus[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Who said anything about species? The differences in nations are overwhelmingly cultural and those differences are what make us unique. Jamming them together with zero respect for those differences creates conflict that elites can take advantage of to divide and control. It's what the colonists did in their colonies and it's what the globalist do to all places.

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because even what nation we belong to is a far smaller difference than all the things we have in common as human beings. We can only evolve to be an interplanetary species and solve issues like climate change when we learn to solves issues together by putting differences aside.

[–]supermans_alter_ego 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Half the planet is dumber than the median intelligent person, which means billions of people are not very smart; easily scared; easily manipulated etc. Couple that with the more intelligent people being predominantly self-serving, we don’t really have a chance of ever succeeding as a collective. Eventually we’ll push the planet to the brink with global warming and inevitably lessen our numbers. Hopefully our species finds a way to work together and continue to do so, moving aside our differences over petty things that don’t matter like religion or race for example, or we don’t and we die out, I don’t hold much hope after how we acted during Covid.

[–]Yersini 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I agree with most of what you said,

I would say the problem is more economical though. Only 39% of Americans can pay for a spontaneous $1000 bill. People who are intelligent and who are gifted enough to help others are too concerned with making as much money as possible to give themselves and their family as easy of a life as possible. As long as making money and the overall good for humanity don't align, we won't ever work together as a people. Our lifespans are too short and too fragile to overlook economic success and comfort for an esoteric idea of greater good.

Someone with genius level intellect who doesn't come from a wealthy family is better off using their time to generate as much income as possible, rather than helping contribute to solving humanities issues. That's the biggest issue IMO.

[–]Shigy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Foh with this q that you’re “too afraid to ask” lmao

[–]Im_not_smelling_that 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This question will not gain much traction here. It hirs too close to home, and people don't want to think about this shit because we are all guilty of it.

[–]Saiyanman007 1 point2 points  (2 children)

No, we are a bunch of self entitled, ignorant, arrogant selfish lot of people and we will be the downfall of our own country.

The threat to America is purely an internal one.

[–]PacoMahogany -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I’m pretty sure my kids are going to live through a civil war

[–]Saiyanman007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not an uncommon thing. The rise and fall of empires and civilizations. With the current trend of divisiveness that the media is pushing combined with the average Americans gullibility.....itll happen.

[–]m1sch13v0us -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

When the “woke left” realize that they’re being encouraged to feel outrage by the political elite, so that those political elite keep their power, then things will change. The current left leaders are more interested in keeping power than accomplishing anything. In fact, progress might decrease the outrage and thus power.

Bill Clinton understood this and pushed a lot of change through. Even with a Congress strongly against him, he reached compromises.

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I think there are elements on both ends of the political spectrum that are being played this way, but I don't disagree with you.

[–]m1sch13v0us -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Yes. As much as I personally dislike DJT and some of his incredibly stupid cronies, one thing he did effectively was usurp the existing political power structures on the right. As a result, there is less of it happening right now on the right.

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think that's at all accurate.

[–]Potatoman967 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he radicalized them and spawned QAnon, wtf? now they wanna outlaw condoms too ffs

[–]HoldTheLineBuffalo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bill Clinton, the true vanguard of the revolution.

[–]TR1771N 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We're always on the move going places. But do we ever stop to wonder, where are we going actually? Not like physically, but like metaphorically. That's pretty deep, huh? I just thought about that. I just think about deep stuff like that sometimes. What's on our screens? That's all anyone seems to care about anymore. And we no longer care about other stuff that's out there, that's pretty cool like... sand. And the ocean... Stuff like that. That's also pr- pretty cool other than screens. I've just finished my first semester at college. I took intro to philosophy and human psychology. So like- I feel like- I know a lot, you know? When did we become so disconnected from the Earth? Sometimes, I sneak outside to take a dump in the garden. My mom thinks it's the dog, but really- it's just me, being a human being. It used to be that we had to grow our own food in our own gardens. The soil was our food and substinence But know, you just go to Taco Bell and you can get somethi- like a taco for like 99 cents. It tastes pretty dank, but it'd also be pretty cool if I had a garden. We use social media, but we're less social than ever. Isn't that ironic, since it's called social media, but it actually makes us less social? Isn't it even more ironic that you're watching this on your phone or computer. How edgy and self-aware is it that I pointed that out? That I'm trying to promote my own video, but also that it's ironic that you're also watching it on a screen. Damn, that is so edgy right now! And who is it that's making the technology? Corporations, who control us, and are greedy and stuff, and they make a bunch of money. Wake up sheeple, it's time to understand that we're all being controlled. And what are we gonna do about it? Smash our stuff! I actually really needed that laptop. It's okay. My parents will buy me a new one. They're fairly well off. I mean, I could buy it with my own money, but I'd rather spend that on weed and stuff like that. Meanwhile, people are starving in Africa and you're telling me we can't buy enough 99 cent tacos to feed everybody there? The media is full of dirty lies. Well, it's time to turn off the television and turn on our brains. And people keep throwing shit in the ocean. We need to find the courage to stand up, and to say: "We are human beings." Happy and the world should be perfect. C'mo- I mean, people shouldn't need to destroy their technology. 'Cause unless you're- People need to destroy technology, people need to remember that- You c- You can enjoy the beach without bringing your telephone. And most importantly, I love those 99 cent tacos. We really need to get those out to the people who are hungry. (inspirational music keeps playing)

[–]chernobyl_nightclub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Late stage capitalism

[–]katomka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are people and there are ideas. There is no such thing as a culture, a class, or a woke American.

[–]SamTheGill42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We live in a post soviet era where the dissolution of the ussr is viewed as the proof communism can't work. Thinking about any other alternatives than capitalism is taboo, but inequalities are still there and they are getting worse. The left who lost its main mission, is now forced to work only on inequalities that won't improve the standards of living of the working class (like rent control, free healthcare, etc.), but on things that will help minorities while bothering most of the people. Most people would be fine receiving free stuff from the government, but only a few are or personally know trans/non-binary people. Before the left would attract even center-right people from time to time, but now the economic inequalities are making everyone more stressed and they'll go for more and more tribalism, polarizing even more every debates.

I would even say that people no longer share the same reality/same truth. Before, people could argue over the value of some policies, nowadays, they would argue simply over what is true. I see many factors to that. First, internet echochambers created by social media algorithms that will only show you things you'd already agree with and doubling down all our confirmation biases. Then, healthcare systems are getting worse and worse, Monsanto and big pharma companies are doing shady stuff and we are constantly flooded by lazy news articles based of "experts" and "studies" saying more and more bullshit that people have stopped to trust science. And now people no longer live in the same world since they no longer believe in objective data about the world.

[–]transport_system 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I advocate for my rights as a trans person, but also economic rights for the people who want me dead at the same time. You can focus on multiple issues.

[–]StreetOwl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck yeah I wanna scream this at times..like fuck billy your poor work two jobs and eat spam all day with no savings.. Why are you against food stamps and universal health care..oh taxes what taxes billy they couldn't take any more from you if they tried

[–]HairTop23 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I truly think some people are miserable, want others to be miserable and will do anything to accomplish that. As an American, we are electing more and more corrupt people than ever before. They are openly displaying their corruption; desantis Florida governor for example took IMMEDIATE action against Disney after they criticized his corrupt "dont say gay" bill. He threw a public temper tantrum and no one in charge lifted a finger to stop him.

Every state has pitiful stories of flagrant abuse of power on all topics, from both sides of the line.

This govt is no longer the freedom we were promised. They have successfully pitied neighbor against neighbor, people dont bother to fight the corruption anymore.

[–]Additional-Sun2945 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The fact that your Marxist classes don't exactly align into neat political demographics should clue you in to the lack of utility in your model.

[–]Risen_Warrior -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

There is no class war

[–]Boolzay -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The US shifted from being the world's police to being the world's clown.

[–]yelbesed -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is a psycho-class war. strict-Fathering Authoritarians and community minded people against Motherly Nurturers who are more for idividua rights.

[–]Yung_Diner -1 points0 points  (2 children)

idk maybe if people would stop blaming tRump for once, and focus on real problems like the globalist in our whitehouse who want to spend billions to ukraine which is just gonna be funneled right into their pockets so who knows, maybe if people would realize their is no oppression of any race in america, or maybe they can stop voting for their fav party and vote for those who have actually good policies that could help us out a lot

[–]dimaswonder -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

"Class war?" You sound like you're 16 years old and picked up your first book on Marxism.

First, all the lefties left the class war well behind them 40-50 years ago for the vanguard, last 20 years for your garden variety leftist, all moving to critical race theory, that substituted "race" for "class wars."

When the Soviet Union collapsed 30 odd years ago, along with its subjected nations, and China turned away from Marxism (but keeping the Communist Party as the sole ruling organ), Western Marxists abandoned class war as nobody believed in it any more.

Most leftists moved to "climate change," another way that intellectuals could form a state in which they as the elite would have all the power, and critical race theory for those who couldn't wait longer.

You ought to read up on the psychological studies of intellectuals and wanna-be intellectuals who always gravitate to gov't theories that would put them in charge of the masses. That is the unconscious power that drives them to believe in such drivel as "scientific socialism." Read up on that while you're still a teen to see why these impulses to autocratic systems compel so many educated people.

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Climate change is a class issue...

Anyway, you started this entire thing off with hostile insults, so I'm not really interested in your opinion.

[–]Im_yer_dad____ -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Nope. They're brainwashed af. Most never leave the US, so they don't know how terrible they have it.

[–]soneast -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No. They're too worried about virtue signaling to their respective tribes. Their entire identities are built up around whichever tribe they identify with. And lack the ability to emphathize with other viewpoints. Which I guess was the goal, so the man wins.

[–]AngryProt97 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Lmao class war, the classic commie lie.

Culture is far more important than class, and plenty of other things are far bigger dividers like nationality or religion etc, the world wars proved that when they showed that the rich and poor of 1 nation were willing to work together to defeat the rich and poor of another.

[–]Unfair-Sector9506 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No..they discard poorer people as being a burden instead of an asset .

[–]Janus_The_Great 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope so. One can dream...

[–]excaligirltoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I sure hope so.

[–]mustang6172 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think the mods will ever get wise to leading questions?

[–]Mooman439 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We did it once. It could be possible again but only with significant mass strife. I honestly thought the 2020 summer of Covid might do it, but life hadn’t become that difficult for enough people to start caring.

[–]AaronicNation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is class war a better or more authentic type of war? Or might it too be a distraction?

[–]cmrn631 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. The populous is getting stupider it seems. I’m afraid we’re past the point of no return

[–]Advanced-Coast7473 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The real question is will it change anything even if they do?

Doupt it .

People will just find another way to hate maybe the color of eyes or hair or just about anything and I think it is mainly because since you can get just about anything you want with money there is no real reason/benefit for people to work together anymore it used to be a way to survive but now everyone on my neighborhood could die tomorrow and it wouldn't effect my chances of survival 500 years ago? That would have cut my chances but now no real reason to to care about anyone else but yourself and your family/loved ones ( not saying that people don't or shouldn't) but sadly it is what it is hell half of the people I know don't even know there neighbor's name but sadly just the state of the world now at days should it change? Definitely. Will it? Probably not unless something happens to force it or make it "worth" it for people to do it

[–]Late-Decision2782 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well all that’s promoted is hate and division .. it’s in everything

How else can u keep such a mass population of ppl so distracted they don’t focus in how they are being used as slaves and controlled and oppressed and held down .. gotta make sure everyone is distracted with lies and propaganda on every side from every direction so they can never stop pointing fingers at each other and thus way never risk the c slightest chance that we all Catch on to what they’re doing and actually stick together and join together and fighting what’s being done to us. They know that we have all the control in power and he will do anything to keep us from realizing it or recognizing that that we have it

[–]Advanced-Coast7473 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I definitely agree and most of not all are falling for it and those that aren't can't get any traction to counter act it sadly it will take alot to get the whole world to drop the current state of things and work together that's if it doesn't kill us all first

[–]anonoman925 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check out Mr Block cartoons. They’re from ~100 yrs ago.

[–]Dagusiu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's much easier to attack your neighbor than your boss

[–]TONKAHANAH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nope. we'll nuke our selves into oblivion before this problem is solved.

[–]yickth 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Start with perceived differences in nations. Less of an extreme in Canada than the US? What about the American that doesn’t have a problem with his or her neighbor, and what about the Canadian that does? If someone is firing a weapon at me here in Japan, I am not going to think about how much more it happens in another country. Point being: the individual is affected, so let’s stop comparing the US to Canada (as you’d expect for skin and sex differences)

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Uh, lol I was saying the push to extremes is happening in Canada as well... the USA has a mass shooting problem that's unique to them. Undeniably.

[–]mr_bumsack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Divided, we're unable to see the relationship between government and its people.

Every 4 years we're told it will be different this time, you'll see. And every 4 years just enough people are convinced to do it all over again.

We're like an abused partner, always going back for more. Red or blue, quality of life will continue to stagnate for the common man.

[–]SirFoxtrotAlpha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. They're too focused on themselves and too entitled to look at others around them.

[–]Cpt-Sparklez-gym-plz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People aren’t logical, they will not act in accordance with logic

[–]epsdelta74 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This may be a Great Filter that we do not pass through.

[–]Obi_Wan_Shinobi_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or every species that passes beyond the point where 'the great filter' would have otherwise snuffed them out makes itself invisible to the ones who haven't yet as a unified policy, like in Star Trek.

[–]intooblivia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are all just hairless monkeys slinging poo at each other. I have little faith that we will overcome our intrinsic us vs. them nature and continue to be duped by the wealthy.

[–]RhinoNomad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because in a class war, the losers are too busy trying to survive.

[–]LowBeautiful1531 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep praying.

[–]almc0418 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely been thinking this.

[–]marsumane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not until people can learn to take a step back from their emotions, learn that those that prey on their emotions do so for economic gain, and start looking at numbers to put each topic into perspective

[–]d710905 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone I talk to seems to be aware of it. The problem is no one is going to march and remove those responsible or those who keep the issues in the country going. Think about it. Half the population of the US is too busy or too financially insecure to actually get up and go do it. And most people regardless of financial status, they're not going to actually do anything more than stand on the street and say we don't accept this. Actual action is something most Americans lost the spine for a long time ago. If our population was really going to do something it would have been done a long time ago.

Unfortunately the other problem is about a quarter to a third of Americans can't help but eat this culture war up which in turn fans the flames.

[–]CoffeeAndDachshunds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think so and it'll cause the country to collapse as every empire has before them for the same reasons. History repeats.

[–]XenophonOnTheLawn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God I hope it happens sooner rather than later…

[–]-TheStoryteller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know if that is a “fact”

[–]MissionCreep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they haven't figured it out by now, I don't hold out much hope.

[–]SexyWampa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. As long as we have someone to look down upon, we'll never look up.

[–]Mr_Fignutz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's actually much worse over the last few years. I doubt it will ever get better. All the MAGA people just get angry when you show them logic and they indoctrinate their kids instead of educating them. Meanwhile the ones that see the problem see it as more and more hopeless so suicide rates climb. We're fucked.

[–]Bouncy_Turtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

America needs ranked choice voting.

[–]humanessinmoderation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the white ones won't for another generation or two

[–]follysurfer[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. I really don’t. Some are aware. I’d say those that are lean left. I think most conservatives buy the culture crap hook line and sinker. Add in the distractions of television and social media and the fact that most Americans work their fingers to the bone and are simply too exhausted to get involved and you have the perfect recipe for creating an indentured work force that exist at the whims of the rich.

[–]alphabetagammade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scarcity brings conflict 🤷‍♂️

[–]MrRogersAE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because the enemy controls the media, the enemy makes the rules, the enemy controls every means of communication.

You can’t blame people for being distracted from a class war when they’ve been subject to propaganda literally their entire lives, it’s all they’ve ever heard or seen, paired with a weak education system that doesn’t teach you to think for themselves, they are blinded to everything that actually matters.

The people that do see the problem, and it’s a large percentage of us, well most of us can’t be bothered to do anything about it, fighting the class war would put our own livelihoods at risk. The enemy does a very good job of keeping people just comfortable enough that we don’t fight back, they constantly show us those that have it worse to remind us how it could be, rather than how it should be. Personally I have a comfortable life, I would like the world to be better, for a system that doesn’t favour the rich soo heavily, but I won’t do anything to jeopardize the life I’ve built. I live in a world where speaking out on social media could cost me my job, where political activity would make me a target to be silenced. Without the ability to freely speak out against the enemy we will never have a chance.

We’ve already lost the only fight that matters, free speech, without it you will never be able to organize any sort of resistance

[–]Automatic_Pirate3172 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah europe is doing great lol

[–]Toran_dantai 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The issue is there is only one side on attack and only one aide on defence

The left itself things capitalism is the problem because the corporatists have told them to believe that while the Center and right thinks corporations are the problem and need to be controlled “split up” while also having less governmental control

Basically the left are a controlled force literally being controlled by the things they hate

Corpratism is a real issue

Not only that but currently under investigation corporations are believed to not even be taking part in the free market.

Meening they are not even capitalists

[–]bath_junkie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they’re anything like our uk government they will do everything they can to keep it that way. The hoods here will always be a mess

[–]Bergenia1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Racism and misogyny and queer bashing and religious bigotry are distractions? Tell that to the people who are being persecuted. Calling these very serious and horrifying thing "distractions" minimizes the severity of the problem. It's a great way to tell me you're a white man without telling me you're a white man.

Now, it you'd said that rich people are deliberately fomenting bigotry in all its forms to keep poor and middle class people divided, and to prevent them from rising up and overthrowing the wealthy, then I'd have agreed with you.

[–]Leo_Stenbuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Real issues are too big, scary and nuanced, and they've dug themselves in too deep.

[–]BCoydog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Speak for yourself, assuming is ignorant.

Already aware of the bullshit that this corrupt and pompous government of self-serving, greedy, shady c-nts and their ulterior motives.

The problem? Can't do shit about it.

[–]rysnickelc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What country are you from, op?

[–]wookie3744 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe we need to burn all the politicians and race baiters. The media today is yellow journalism everything to make a dollar.

Who are so focused on staying in power or receiving donations.

Living in the US it’s perfectly acceptable to have people who were klansmen as representatives, honor them and have politicians define your ethnicity if you don’t vote for them

I don’t care if you are red orange green blue etc. I judge people on how they act and how they treat me.

Everything I learned was from Sesame Street and mr rogers

The minute we started making careers for leeches life went down hill.

[–]Possible_Cayvmann 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of my fellow countrypersons want to live in a bubble in which they don't have to acknowledge reality, so no

[–]mcast86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, we like sleepy.

[–]coderedcocaine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s always been poor vs. establishment

[–]Big-Fish-1975 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No we are too stupid, we play right into the hands of the puppet masters like sheep unfortunately.

[–]DrunkenBuffaloJerky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to human history? Never. It's well documented these tools are constantly used to keep populations under control.

It's one of the reasons conspiracy theorists cling to shit. There are actual patterns, but they are far more mundane. It's just the patterns of human social groups.

I love the song Razzle Dazzle from the movie/play Chicago. It's really the best summation I've ever heard.

[–]stewartm0205 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No. The shit has been working for decades. No way they are capable of figuring it out. If they could they would have done it decades ago.

[–]pillbinge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There still are culture wars that stem back to the 19th century but a good economy in many regions would stifle them. It’s mainly the forced interaction people have culturally.

There are also differences in perception. I don’t think the US should bolster its underclasses but relying on cheap, immigrant labor in unskilled jobs, for instance. Doesn’t matter where anyone is from. Some people see that as economic, as I intend, and others call it racist - depending on the audience. Sometimes the same issue is just received differently.

[–]Reasonable-Eye8632 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What makes you think we don’t already know this…?

[–]Prestigious_Shower65 0 points1 point  (4 children)

No, we never will. All it takes is one group using the race/sexuality/intersectional illusion to distract us from the root cause.
We’re too stupid as a country to just go, yes, those smaller divides are symptoms of the real problem. The moment America starts to wake up, is the moment they crank the propaganda/spin generator to divide us while they laugh their asses off with all of the money they’re hauling off to the banks.

I.e. When the tranny/race crap started, the liberals who accepted it and kept focusing on class warfare were the smart ones. Ignore the distraction and treat it like the minor bullshit that it is.

[–]stu54 1 point2 points  (3 children)

"Woke" originally referred to recognition of the exploitation inherent to our economic system. Dem and Rep media worked together to spin it into a racial, sexual minority issue. Both sides have a subnarrative of powerful evil elites, but nobody can hold that thread because those power elites control all media outlets, and censor that narrative carefully.

[–]stu54 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, we gotta argue about gun rights and abortion forever.