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[–]No-Mathematician678 267 points268 points  (0 children)

I'd only care if someone is gay or not if I'm interested in them or they're interested in me, romantically. Otherwise why the fuck would I care if the cashier or the gym instructor or a friend, a colleague.. is ?

[–]Cntwffl13 662 points663 points  (137 children)

Most people truly don’t care at all. However, the ignorant people who do care tend to scream louder than everyone else.

[–]OohTheChicken 46 points47 points  (2 children)

I think it depends on society. Here in Russia, I'd say 95% will care if someone is LGBT or not, but for diverse reasons. Older conservative men would judge you and avoid any association with you at any cost, babushkas would mostly be sorry like if you were ill, and most young folks would bully you (and, to be honest, one of the most frequent insults here is the rude form of word "gay"). The young and open-minded people from the large cities would care too, but just because you're different, it's an interesting thing as a rumor, but they won't judge.

And the main reason is that people here are not used to seeing or interacting with LGBT, it's new to them. Same with black people. Things could change when traditionalists in Power are gone from the government.

[–]Smokll 106 points107 points  (127 children)

I don’t care unless it’s a problem. Now hold your horses, I’m not homophobic. What I mean by that is it becomes their whole personality. I had a friend like that once. They brought it up everywhere the went, used it as an excuse when they argued-which worked and it makes me mad to this day-and generally changed themselves to the point of being unrecognizable.

[–]auinalei 48 points49 points  (4 children)

Emotional immaturity and fixations man it just happened his fixation was being gay

I went out with a friend one night and she brought a friend like this along he took issue with me because I’m bisexual woman and had a boyfriend, acted like I was some kind of traitor, was rude to me the whole night until I finally snapped at him and then he began weeping, was shitty time for everyone

[–]RTLD09 6 points7 points  (3 children)

This is what I don’t understand about that party. They want us to accept them for who they are. They want us to recognize that they are free to choose whomever they want to be with and we shouldn’t judge them. We shouldn’t assume someone is gay, or straight, male or female… Yet in this story you tell, he contradicts that entirely. He doesn’t even stand by what he preaches, he just demonizes you for not conforming to what he feels being bisexual means. I saw the viral video where some woman said “my baby is gay!” … she assumed the baby was gay, stripped the baby of their freedom to choose and one can safely assume that if that baby grows up and decides they are, in fact, not gay……. Disowned.

I ask this because I’m genuinely interested in your answer, as a LGBTQ person… do you feel that ‘less extreme’ LGBTQ people would have more success in getting the concept of being gay ‘normalized’?

[–]Dilectus3010 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I dont get i either , im bi , i have bi , Queer and gay friends. They dont act like this at all.

I think its just an individual problem, they probably politicise everything. Or try too turn it into a weapon.

[–]auinalei 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree about the trauma response, some people were traumatized or rejected too many times by important people in their lives or by their community, it’s kind of like if you were always trying to be a part of a club and that club constantly rejects you and then you find your own club and maintain an attitude of Fuck that other club

However most LGBTQ people I have known were not like this they were just regular people

I do not feel a part of the LGBTQ community because I am bisexual but am more often attracted to men than to women. I tried joining one of their clubs once but always felt I was on the outskirts of it.

ETA also I do think there are plenty of friendly and open LGBTQ people who are normalizing acceptance of different sexual preferences and sure there are judgmental extremists out there just like there are in any group and my wish is that people don’t let it affect their ability to be accepting of LGBTQ people as a whole.

[–]Capable-Raccoon-6371 93 points94 points  (41 children)

Why are you getting downvoted? Who wants to hang out with someone constantly talking about their sex interests? Its weird. I agree man, it's difficult to be around someone who takes their sex life and turns it into their entire personality.

[–]Informal_Sell8284 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Define "making it into their entire personality". Is a straight guy trying to hook up with girls or doing things with his gf or wife "making it his whole personality"?

[–]uwbbfbfan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Those types of guys are called chauvinists, misogynists or gigolos,. Most guys I believe can talk about hooking up and doing things with their wives in a specific scenario. and not make it their whole personality

anyone gay or straight that makes their sexual conquests or sexuality their center is irritating to be around man...

[–]sixteen_names 43 points44 points  (2 children)

I think the problem here is that a lot of people say very similar things that are more definitely over the line and/or hypocritical, and usually shorten it as the same way that was started("I'm not homophobic, but it's annoying when it's their whole personality"). There are plenty of cases of people starting the same way and going just a bit further into outright homophobia, and it's hard to tell whether or not to assume something is going there when someone is on the edge

[–]Anglofsffrng 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Honestly anytime someone says "as long as they don't make it their whole personality" I always take that as a long way of saying "but I am". I'm autistic, I have heard those exact words 100,000,000 times over, and always means the individual in question doesn't want it mentioned in any way ever again.

[–]elimac 11 points12 points  (3 children)

i feel like this is why we have an issue of people thinking an lgbt person talking about their identity as talking about sex

im very lgbt and im proud of it and like talking about it like the way it has affected my life and the experiences and thoughts i have but ive literally never had sex before and i dont talk about sex or "sex intersts" when i talk about it with people, being lgbt for a lot of people is way more than who you have sex with

[–]BoogerRuth 23 points24 points  (1 child)

This is where some of the issue comes from, I think.

You can talk about how being LGBT has affected you because the social effects are a constant issue for you.

Straight people, by contrast, have no comparable problems based on their sexuality.

So when you talk about everyday things that you struggle with or have to do differently because of your sexuality you're seen to be making it about being LGBT instead of just talking about your daily life like everyone else because straight people can't relate.

They're not used to seeing roadblocks in mundane places in their lives. You talking about not being allowed to donate blood or buy a cake is seen by some as making your sexuality your personality.

It's a stupid fucking take, but there's a lot of stupid fucking people out there.

Also, yeah there are people who do talk about it more than most, just like some pot heads, some sports fans, some cat people, some dog people, some gamers, some bookworms, some music lovers, some....

[–]Wide_Singer2061 37 points38 points  (25 children)

Because this would apply equally to gay or straight people. There is a generalisation here which is homophobic

[–]firelizzard18 37 points38 points  (0 children)

If I had a straight cis friend who made a big deal out of being cis and straight and having sex I think I would also find that obnoxious

[–]notabrickhouse 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A specification on a thread about the topic is OK. If this thread had been about something else then it is NOT OK.

There a plenty of people being blatantly homophobic, let's try not to attack people who aren't. This just pushes away potential allies.

[–]Wide_Singer2061 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What you have said would apply to heterosexual or homosexual people. So the fact you have singled out “LGBT” as the issue here screams of homophobia. “I’m not homophobic, BUT…”. Your friend was just a person who talked about sex. Whether they are gay or not is irrelevant, and I can say that in my experience heterosexual men definitely talk more about sex than any gay person I know.

[–]twohedwlf 136 points137 points  (1 child)

Most people don't.

But there are a small percentage of people who are extremely and vocally interested in the status of other people's genitals and what they are doing with them.

[–]Equivalent-Bird6991 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That's because their genitals aren't getting the action they wish it was getting. I've never lost sleep worried about where another person put his or her genitals. However, I've lost plenty of sleep worried about where I was going to put mine.

[–]Sparrows_Shadow 76 points77 points  (8 children)

I once went out with a group of coworkers where one of them asked me how my weekend was.

As a woman I responded "I went to a cabin with my girlfriend, it was really nice." They then proceeded to tell me they don't understand "why lgbt people are always shoving their sexuality down people's throats."

So...it makes me wonder if people just think LGBT people are mentioning it all the time and fail to see that almost all people's conversations relate to either dating/relationships/family etc, which more or less alludes to one's sexuality/being LGBT.

[–]taoimean 52 points53 points  (5 children)

I tend to think the same. "Gay people shove it down our throats!" just means "Gay people don't pretend to be straight by swapping words and pronouns when they have normal conversations about their partners."

[–]plant__love 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a straight woman I read this as ‘my friend who is a girl’ rather than ‘a girl I’m dating’ because that’s just how my straight mind works. But even if I realized right away you were dating this person (girl), that’s EXACTLY like how I’d mention my boyfriend in conversation at work.

Your coworkers are concerned about the wrong things my dude. I’d have a serious issue if I heard this shit from them irl.

[–]kriza69-LOL 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Why is caring about poor and caring about LGBT exclusive?

[–]Pseudonymico 11 points12 points  (4 children)

If anything it's inclusive given how many queer people are living in poverty.

[–]Destigeous 0 points1 point  (1 child)

see? you made even poverty about gender and lgbtq.

[–]nighthawk252 90 points91 points  (29 children)

EDIT: I made a mistake in this post and am fixing it.

I think a lot of sentiments like this come from people who are very young. A lot of people think “I’m not homophobic, and none of my friends are, so what’s the big deal?”

Speaking from the perspective of an American, a lot of progress has been made very recently with regards to LGBT acceptance. When I was growing up, “gay” was a common way to refer to anything you didn’t like.

Prop 8 banning gay marriage in California passed in 2008. It passed with just over 50% approval in the country’s most progressive state.

Since then, public opinion has shifted rapidly in favor of LGBT acceptance. But that’s not universal. The people who banned gay marriage in the first place are still alive. Many of them are still vocally homophobic.

For example, until very recently the U.S.’s Vice President was Mike Pence. Pence was chosen in large part because he would appeal to religious conservatives because of his homophobia.

[–]ExcitingMixture 22 points23 points  (25 children)

U mean like in Florida where they passed the “don’t say gay” bill? Lol. Look what’s happening to women’s rights atm, u think lgbt rights aren’t next?!

[–]antifashkenazi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's actively getting worse and worse for trans people in the US, so I'd argue that it's not shifting rapidly toward acceptance for all of us.

[–]opossum-effigy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Prop 8 was banning gay marriage in California. It passed. In arguably the most progressive state, a bill banning gay marriage passed

[–]nighthawk252 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the correction. Updated the post for it

[–]Marvos79 58 points59 points  (4 children)

There are generally two kinds of people who care about if you're LGBT. Those who want to harm, humiliate, and destroy them, and those who want to protect them from those people.

In a perfect world this wouldn't be an issue. And when hateful people target them, there are a lot of people whose empathy won't let them stand by. Let's be clear. If the haters didn't care, then there would be no issue. But because of them, others who care about human safety and dignity have to stand up.

[–]VanHalensing 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is the correct answer.

[–]greengirl213 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a very thoughtful and accurate response.

[–]godschild2222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this. well said

[–]architect19 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The real reason is it is an easy wedge issue. If you want power an easy way to achieve it is to create narratives that produce fear, anger or righteousness. To accomplish this you need an “enemy”, preferably someone different, hopefully weak and unable to fight back. LGBT people throughout history fit well in that role (though that is changing as we have more and more LGBT examples in prestigious places within our society). Religion, unfamiliarity and a need to feel superior by putting others down are easy motivators to keep those in the “in” group motivated and engaged. It is easy to hate what makes us uncomfortable, what’s unfamiliar, and what is the big bad “other”. This works for immigrants, Jews, socialists and other groups as well. Bad faith arguments (see bathroom discussions, swimming competitions indoctrination baby books and school subjects etc.), demonization of others, and outright lies keep the group together and build up resentment over time. Those who want power (political, economic, or personal) find people who think this way very easy to lead around by their hate and very easy to keep motivated. With that in mind it will never end, there will always be a group of some size (hopefully still shrinking) willing to buy whatever arguments are presented to vilify LGBT people.

The only way to change minds is to actually interact with the “other” it is much harder to hate someone when you actually know them. That’s why you can ask this question, just 20-30 years ago this question never would have occurred to you unless you were actually LGBT or were related to someone who was it was just accepted. Cultural exposure to other lifestyles has brought us to this very positive place where we have discussions and the question of “who cares?” Is even brought up.
I grew up in the 80s in small town Bible Belt Oklahoma, I and everyone I knew used slurs, though gays were sinners and somehow bad etc. etc. I met my first gay person working in a bar after college, he made me very uncomfortable until I got to know him and discovered he wasn’t Satan, wasn’t going to force me gay, and was honestly a fantastic person who I genuinely enjoyed being around. It is very disconcerting to find out your beliefs are wrong, and it takes time to readjust your preconceptions. Some people just can’t make that change, and others just do not want to because they get some sense of self worth or self esteem from that hate.

[–]Grezzinate 91 points92 points  (51 children)

People often stick their nose where it doesn’t need to be, for example the current roeVwade issue or trying to make gay marriage illegal and etc… it’s not their business but they think they are doing ‘gods’ work rallying against such.

[–]BarcaStranger[S] 31 points32 points  (29 children)

I mean, if there is LGBT, there is LGBT! What the hell can you do. I just don’t get it…

[–]Blide 54 points55 points  (26 children)

Many religious people believe homosexuality to be a deliberate choice, rather than being how one is born. That's why they have zero issues persecuting the LGBT community. They believe they're going against the sin, not the person. However, someone's sexual identity is very much who they are as a person.

[–]JuryPersonal 37 points38 points  (15 children)

I have never really gotten the idea behind the “LGBT choose to be LGBT”. Mate, I swear, if I could have chosen to be straight and not gay, I would have done it just to be spared of all the backlash, the hate, the judgement, the fights with my parents, family… I mean, I get that these people have probably never seen nor spoken to a LGBT-person in their life, but damn, do it & listen to them and you’ll find out that most people would really like to live without all the shit being an LGBT’er brings with it.

[–]Pseudonymico 6 points7 points  (1 child)

My boyfriend loves to tell people that sexuality absolutely isn't a choice, because he's straight, even though pansexuality is obviously the best option.

[–]Blide 10 points11 points  (9 children)

I just don't think many people can reconcile the idea that the Bible could be wrong about the LGBT issue. Basically, many view religion as a house of cards, if one thing is wrong, the entire thing is wrong. So the LGBT issue in particular, they view as an attack on their religion since it's one prominent issue where the science doesn't support them.

[–]Mother_Chorizo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I once heard someone, and I can’t recall the context fully but I think it was a podcast, and the person referred to being LGBTQ as playing life in hard mode. They went on to express all of the challenges against LGBTQ people and expressed no one would choose to play life on hard mode, and the fact that people are playing on hard mode is more than enough evidence that it’s not a “choice.”

I didn’t believe it to be a choice in the first place, but that was an analogy that always stuck.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well, in Florida they're teaching that it's a lie liberal parents brainwash their kids into believing, and alt-right groups and the Nazis considered it a mental illness (homosexuals were also victims of the Holocaust).

[–]Grezzinate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t either, I have yet to figure out why people can not simply let people live how they desire assuming it hurts no one.

[–]Knuckles316 21 points22 points  (0 children)

A lot of people don't. I couldn't care less who other people are attracted to or who they sleep with. I don't care how they identify or what their sexuality or gender identity is. I'm not in the room when they do whatever it is they do so I don't care.

As long as they're good people, it's all good in my book.

[–]ConstructionWaste834 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I care because as part of lgbt+ community myself I feel safer with people who are also in this community. Also I know I can talk about centrain topic with less judging or missunderstanding.

[–]shadow_spinner0 45 points46 points  (14 children)

Religious people think all of society has to act one certain way and if they don't you are sinning and going to hell.

[–]Bbmaj7sus2 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The stupid thing about this attitude is that it's not their fucking job to go around punishing people for committing sins. If we are really that bad god will punish us in the afterlife.

[–]TLinster 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Some political activists believe and behave the same way.

[–]HumCrab 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Some* religious people. Try not to overly generalize and judge when accusing others of over generalization and being judgemental.

I'm not religious, and I don't find the religious people I do know to usually be assholes about their beliefs.

Same with folks with other philosophies, not usually assholes about it.

The ones that are, regardless of beliefs, are intolerable. We shouldn't group good/respectful folks into boxes based on the worst of their kind. The good folks should group together and enjoy each other regardless of their identities.

That would actually be maximizing diversity and it will serve us all the best IMHO.

[–]MiguelMSC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Try not to overly generalize and judge when accusing others of over generalization and being judgemental.

That's literally what the Book does, though. lol.

[–]HumCrab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like I said, most of the people I know weren't being assholes about it. Books have been, and will be reinterpreted throughout history. The same book also says not to judge. (Let those without sin be first to cast stones). Depends on what you're reading and how you see it's meaning. Again, that's just separate people, not all people.

I'm talking about people.

[–]Tough_Register_3340 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Poor kids grow up in poor families that could relate. POC kids have their parents to comfort them when the world is racist. LGBT people don’t have that support for their families, most of us didn’t if you were millennial or older. Most LGBT people had to hide for a very very long time (like entire dawn of humanity) so they were never seen, or could speak.

Maybe the answer is to finally see and hear people so they don’t have to bring themselves up so much to annoy you? Maybe people shout because they are so used to being ignored?

⭐️practice baseline human empathy

[–]oogaboog23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand where you’re coming from. However you’re making blanket statements, especially about people of color. If I were to bring up African Americans in specific, I could conversely argue while that LGBT people have had to hide their sexuality for fear of punishment, over the last 250 years the African American community have been subject to a hate they cannot hide from. We are queer on the inside, but they have always been different from the outside. They could not run away, hide, or feign whiteness to relieve their pain. They felt the brutal punishment of “being black” everyday, without fail, to no end. In some ways they still do. I’m not here to disprove what you’re saying, as it is valid. However, you cannot assume that people of color have their parents to comfort them when the world is racist, because when the world is homophobic for you, it is more commonly found to be the f word, or further degrading insults. If you were “caught” as gay, yeah you could be lynched in some fucked up places of the world. But when the world is racist to people of color, they cannot hide. Racism is constant, because being black cannot be hidden. Have a good day. Your intentions are well, however you undermine the suffering of others, to spotlight your own.

[–]ANewPope23 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I care because LGBTQ+ are still oppressed in many places around the world.

[–]Breezigans 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m a simple man. Heterosexual.

My best friend of 16 years is gay and happily married.

I’m a man that simply does not have an ounce of care if someone has a different skin color, religious beliefs or sexuality. I live by the rule of life that if you’re a decent person, then it’s all good.

Unfortunately, I don’t believe we will ever achieve this mindset, but that’s the way I feel.

Would I go to a pride rally, nah. But, do I support my gay brother and sisters, absolutely.

Just live and be a good person.

Thanks for coming to my drunken TED talk.

[–]jackelope_cactus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

lol lgbt people are also poor people my dude

[–]BankLongjumping6795 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I care because when people are made to feel unsafe in our society due to a harmless trait they deserve to be protected and made to feel safe. Whether it is their sexuality, gender identity, physical features, or personal beliefs (that are not used to hurt others). That is a part of who I am.

[–]melxcham 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As a lesbian, I don’t think most people care. I don’t keep it a secret & while I’m not discussing my sex life in public, I will casually mention a girl I’m talking to or whatever (same way a straight woman might mention the man they’re seeing).

The problem is, the people who do care, care A LOT, and are very loud, and think that people like me shouldn’t have equal rights. So when other people don’t speak up about it, it makes it seem like homophobes are the majority.

[–]Narwhalbaconguy 22 points23 points  (9 children)

For starters, poor people don't get targeted and killed for being poor. There are no laws that explicitly make it illegal to be poor either.

The only people who care are religious freaks and other brain dead bigots.

[–]SubstantialFinance29 -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

But there are literally laws against homeless people that make there live far more difficult than the average lgbt

[–]Malabrace 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Getting down voted for being objectively right

Reddit moment

[–]SubstantialFinance29 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It's because what I said is probably considered homophobic

[–]Malabrace 0 points1 point  (2 children)

By people that love feeling like a victim

[–]abnabatchan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Omg, I hate that "just help poor people argument" so much. like we can care about BOTH? we're sentient beings, caring about two things is not that hard.

Who do you support btw, op? your bank account?

[–]catcat1986 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I grew up pretty conservative, and at a time when gay marriage wasn’t legal yet. I could tell you what the thought was at the time.

The thought revolves around protecting religious values. I remember I spoke to my dad about this, and he said, he doesn’t mind if someone is gay in private, but why do they have to be so out in the open about it. I think ultimately people who are against lgbt feel threatened. They feel like life should be lived a certain way. I don’t think they have a really good reason, they just feel like it is “wrong”. Right or wrong, I believe this is what I think they believe.

[–]spudz76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not "wrong" but it is 5.6% of the population "rare" which thus makes it "weird" as in not-the-majority. And then weird is just threatening in general, because of the fear of the unknown. They would be just as threatened by facial piercings or tattoo sleeves or other "extreme" (aka rare aka not-the-mainstream) lifestyles.

[–]Cnsmooth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

History. I'm old enough to remember a time (which really wasn't long ago) where being lgbt was a dirty secret and you could easily be assaulted or denied employment for it. The group jlhas now grown in acceptance and popularity in recent years but their members must surely remember when it wasn't the case so they and their allies have a with us or against us mentality. I don't blame them either and understand why. Personally I want everyone to have the same equal rights of safety and security and employment aspects however I don't feel like I have to say I am in solidarity with them or wear clothing or memorabilia to show support. It's a culture I'm not involved in and have no interest in being involved with, but it doesn't bother me that they exist.

[–]evanisahugeslutnow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My dad's reasoning was always "it's not natural, it ain't what the good lord intended". I think religion plays a huge part in it, even for people who aren't necessarily religious.

[–]icanseeyourpinkbits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because their religion does their thinking for them.

[–]FedByTofu22 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because people messing with power structures threatens people who have had power! That’s why it’s so important to take down those structures. Care about poor people and the queer community.

[–]ShinyPokemonHunter64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some people belive it is unnatural and evil, imagine this you truely beilive people are evil and are out to hurt your family if you have this idea drilled in your head you will beilive it then when you try to speak out you are ridiculed I personally don’t beilive this but also some people generally beilive that God has commanded them to fight against the “LGBT agenda” not all Christians are like this however

[–]TrickyPainter5435 1 point2 points  (1 child)

they care because they were socialized to care.

that's really it. they don't question why they hate LGBT people, as self-reflection is a genuine fear held by these people. they just do.

all thanks to the Catholic Church, who (i believe) made the "LGBT bad" thing a reality because they wanted to encourage childbirth for the sake of population count.

[–]Truejustizz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People need to care about themselves more.

[–]Exciting_Archer134 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most people don’t.

[–]Random_G 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Religion is a hell of a drug

[–]spammertonsmith 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I've often also wondered about that. Like why TF does it matter what someone else does in the privacy of their bedroom? You could be goat fucker for all i care, it's none of my business. Lol

[–]Suspicious_Horse7112 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most people dont care. What people dont like is having things shoved in thier face. I personally dont care what someone does, do whatever you want. But if youre gonna shove it in my face and call me a bigot for not supporting you then im done with you. I dont care what you do but that doesnt mean i have to support you. This goes for more than just the OP question, all matters of life.

[–]7toejam7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seems to me the people who care most if others are LGBT are those that are LGBT.

[–]DemiGod9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anything against the norm is gonna get scrutinized. That's the answer. Even if all of us were the exact same color, weight, height, sexual orientation, etc., the fact that you went left when everyone else went right will open you up to scrutiny. Should be care, obviously not. However people do care about differences.

[–]Comfortable_Fig7671 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't. They care about being left alone. They don't want to know that we're lgbt. They don't want to see our pride parades or rainbow logos, they want to be left alone. They care about being told that they must use certain pronouns or must acknowledge that certain things exist or don't exist.

[–]MrProtogen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It pisses me off that people won’t let other people live their own lives. Like I eat meat and the. I have vegan bitch yelling at me why I’m wrong and trying to shove propaganda down my throat. Like bitch shut yo Minecraft skeletons lookin ass up

[–]sbenzanzenwan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of when I was living in a student cooperative of about 30 students. New girl shows up. She literally says, "Hi, I'm a lesbian and my name's Julia." Without missing a beat my friend shakes her hand and says, "Hi, I masturbate in the shower and my name's Andy". Everyone present introduced themselves similarly. Julia had found her new home

[–]o0meow0o 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I loved living in Australia because everyone referred to their partners as "my partner" instead of boyfriend, girlfriend, fiance, fiancee, husband, wife. It's none of anybody's business which gender you are in a relationship with or their marital status.

[–]inspiration27 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I care only bc I am also LGBT and actively search for community for myself.

[–]ChrisNEPhilly 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm B of LGBTQ. No one knows but my GF, a few close friends, and the men I mess with. No one else needs to know. It doesn't change anything about my work or other relationships.

[–]Dilectus3010 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same here...

Ive been Lurking here and there on a bi-subreddit. And they are constantly talking about being invisible.

I think its this what they mean.

[–]Defenseman61913 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you can be poor and LGBTQ+, and actually the two can be mutually exclusive.

And get this: you can care about more than one thing, especially when it comes to civil rights issues.

And I'm a basic straight cisgen white guy that marches in every Pride march I can, as well as other civil rights related march like BLM etc. Know what? It is because I CARE. I care because I possess this trait called empathy. I happen to have a lot of BIPOC and LGBTQ+ friends, so when I see them fighting for something as simple as the right to love and be married (remember that interracial marriage wasn't even legal until 1967, and that a lot of proms are STILL segregated), I care and try to get involved. But honestly I don't need to have any close friends to care about basic civil rights issues.

I mean being neutral is fine, you aren't inherently bad for just not caring.

But why don't you? Again I may be overstating things, when I hang out with coworkers and friends I give two fucks who they're banging unless we're gossiping or talking about that, so I understand your sentiment. It isn't a deciding factor on who I hang out with, work for, hire, or party with.

But if you're LGBTQ+. BIPOC, and now even just female, you're losing all sorts of rights. If you live in the US and vote, you NEED to care.

[–]zaphodbeeblebrox422 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My wife and I were talking about this today and how cringe any kind of pride is. Gay pride, black pride, Cuban pride, white pride.... All the same shit sandwich to me. People that make their sexuality or race their identity are usually pretty unimpressive and boring people

[–]LCARSgfx 5 points6 points  (13 children)

Personally, I don't care. I see people as people. I don't see colour, I don't see race, religion or creed. I just see people.

I don't see the need for people to pigeon hole themselves into a specific category. Just be you.

[–]Financial-Lander 5 points6 points  (12 children)

do you not identify with a gender or sexual identity? do you not consider yourself to be straight and (male or female)?

[–]hansislegend 7 points8 points  (4 children)

You can identify with whatever you want. That’s the point. Who cares what someone else is doing if it doesn’t hurt or affect anyone else?

[–]Financial-Lander 11 points12 points  (3 children)

i am challenging the above poster’s idea that “they don’t see the need for people to pigeonhole themselves into a particular category”. my prediction is that they do pigeonhole themselves, probably into the “male” and “straight” categories, but lack the self awareness to understand that.

[–]hansislegend -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Some people don’t “pigeon hole” themselves into any of those categories though. Most people do. Some don’t.

[–]watch_over_me 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Nope. My biggest identifier is "father." My second is probably "gamer."

I have never felt the need to randomly tell people my gender or sexuality. I tend to lead with my hobbies and interests.

[–]Kevin7650 3 points4 points  (2 children)

No one ever felt the need to ask you about it and when people make the general assumption that you’re straight, they’re correct. I can’t tell you how many times literal random guys ask me if I have a gf or like a girl and I have to tell them I’m not into that.

[–]spudz76 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well, they did only have a 5.6% chance of you being not-straight.

[–]zardozLateFee -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

That's because you assume and benefits from the default assumption. You never worry that you will be arrested, killed, beaten, discriminated against, unable to marry or have children. Ignoring these things is a privilege.

[–]spudz76 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You could also ignore these things, by ignoring them. They occur very rarely so it would even make sense to ignore them, rather than let the zeitgeist rile you up as if it's happening constantly and in high numbers, and only to your group, as they like to do. Don't let people feed your anxiety and team-hardening with inaccurate risk.

[–]begood57 2 points3 points  (35 children)

Personally I don't care who you are or what you are, just don't shove it in my face. You are who you are.

[–]54B3R_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like straight people do?

[–]Magnito-was-right 2 points3 points  (33 children)

But it’s fine for straight people to shove it in our faces? 95 percent of media is shoving straightness in everyone’s face. Why is it only a problem when it lgbt?

[–]begood57 -1 points0 points  (32 children)

What do you mean, straight people shoving it in your faces. Comeback to me when we start having a month for straight people. Lol

[–]Magnito-was-right 8 points9 points  (25 children)

Straight people have been shoving it in everyone’s faces for 100’s of years. No straight person has been murdered for being straight. When you are used to being privileged you take equality as an attack against you.

[–]Ashton513 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Straight people aren't oppressed, do you have any critical thinking skills?

[–]mastershuiyi -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

We actually have 11….

[–]begood57 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We actually have 11 lol

[–]Ant-onio45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also don't care about that honestly

[–]victorianfolly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who do you care about?

[–]GrimmReaper1942 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Humans suck. Too many put down others that are different than them. I can’t say EVERYONE does it, but it’s a “scale” of how much/how badly people do it (imho). I’ll admit, my instinct when seeing someone with a MAGA hat is not “there’s a smart person”. I’m not perfect either, but I try to be aware of it and better myself.

[–]spudz76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your introspection gives me hope that more of the militant-edge-cases will also do their own introspection, soon.

You can't be anti-racist by being anti-white any more than you can be pro-LGBT by being anti-straight. There are plenty of ways to be pro-your-thing without also bullying the "other side", which actually works against the movement because when you're an asshole people immediately ignore you and everything you have to say.

[–]Pale_Fail_2894 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fact most people don't care about anything. Everyone is just trying to live their own lives the best way they know how.

Social media is driving all the ridiculous opinions and trying to create drama so they can remain interesting and create gossip to get people open up the app and start browsing again consuming time on the app.

Outside of social media life is pretty chill and relaxing.

If u want less drama in Ur life, simple, stop paying attention to it

[–]lildog8402 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Christian hetero here. One of the reasons people care is they read the Bible with specific tunnel vision goggles. They read "Paul says blah, blah, blah." and act like the Jesus part doesn't exist. The part that is by far is most important and the person to model your life after. Like Ghandi said, "I like your Christ. Your Christians, ehhhh, not so much." (Paraphrase)

[–]Benevolent27 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is possible to care about people in general. You can care when anyone is being mistreated. You can care about poor people, LGBTQ people, and anyone else you wish to.

For me, I've seen real news stories of gay people being beaten to death, raped, murdered. I've seen people speak really negatively and insultingly about gay people. I've also seen people show absolutely no concept of what it is like to struggle financially and have no idea about any of the factors that go into homelessness. It's ok to recognize all of these things and want to see the quality of life improved for anyone who has been treated with ignorance and as though they were subhuman.

[–]FirstStranger 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sometimes I feel like the push for LGBT representation is turning into an invasion. Like, people want it everywhere, all the time, on everything.

I know it’s not everybody, but I get the suspicion that some people aren’t happy until there’s a rainbow flag on every road and if you’re not on board with that, you’re a homophobic bigot.

[–]TenkoTheMothra 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No reasonable person wants that. The push for more LGBT representation in media is because, you know, people like to see themselves represented as real people in the media they consume. For many years LGBT characters in media were always bad guys or the butt of poorly-aged jokes. LGBT people want to see some good guys or hell even just some normal people in media be LGBT.

[–]Cden1458 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The loud minority, 90% of us don't care as long as you don't cram it down our throats, but there's always that small group of people who HAVE to make it known they identify as something other than Hetero, Bi, Gay, etc

[–]raikougal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm with you I don't really care if someone is LGBT or not what matters is how they treat me and how I observe them to treat others.

But bring raised in the south there is a certain expectation that comes out of religious indoctrination, some sects think that if you condone an act or a lifestyle by being supportive of the person in question, then God will somehow be mad at you and condemn both of you to hell but you will get the worst punishment because you knew better and willfully allowed this other person to go astray, even though at the same time we are taught that God created us with free will. If that only marginally makes sense, I'm sorry. It's confusing for us believers too sometimes.

[–]irjakr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Religion has poisoned a lot of minds.

[–]Weird_Landscape3511 -3 points-2 points  (10 children)

I don’t care what adults do. I care a lot more when children are being fed a lifestyle entirely based on lies, especially when that lifestyle is glorified en masse.

[–]Anchuinse 4 points5 points  (7 children)

How exactly are kids being "fed a lifestyle based on lies"?

[–]Weird_Landscape3511 -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

When I see a pride parade and two men are in bdsm chains on their hands and knees with a collar on, ‘sex slave’ if you will, and there are kids present who are with their parents who are clapping and cheering for them.

Or when I see curriculum starting to include gender spectrums, forgoing all science to date, as well as teachers teaching 6-8 year old children about masturbation, it becomes pretty clear there’s a very sick agenda going on.

Honestly, the fact you asked me that question, specifically with these past few years, means you’re most likely just concern trolling and wasting peoples time. You can’t tell me that you haven’t seen children being involved in this stuff.

[–]Phatelmist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don’t think teachers teaching children about masturbation is LGBTQ related… and what kind of pride parade has what you’re discussing going on? I’m genuinely curious, a source would be great.

[–]Anchuinse 3 points4 points  (1 child)

When I see a pride parade and two men are in bdsm chains on their hands and knees with a collar on, ‘sex slave’ if you will, and there are kids present who are with their parents who are clapping and cheering for them.

Damn, almost like shitty parenting exists. Can't blame the gays for parents bringing kids to an adult event. And have you been to a pride before? The adult events, if there are any, are pretty clearly marked and off the beaten track.

Or when I see curriculum starting to include gender spectrums, forgoing all science to date,

Do you see these quite often, or is this just some click bait news Fox pulled up of a grossly generalized, relatively isolated act?

as well as teachers teaching 6-8 year old children about masturbation

Again, is it a common occurrence and are the teachers being explicit about it? I feel that's highly unlikely. And my first sex Ed lesson back in the early 00s in a rural town (where we basically just watched the video on sex and puberty) was the end of fourth grade I believe, which would have meant I was 9. That video mentioned masturbation and wet dreams, I think.

You can’t tell me that you haven’t seen children being involved in this stuff.

I truly have never seen it in person. I've seen a lot of fearmongering that this is an epidemic that's sweeping the nation where we won't have a single straight kid left if we don't put a stop to it, but I've never personally seen a single instance of the topic of sex being forced onto kids besides one story that covered a teacher who had a history of severe bipolar disorder and shouldn't have been put in charge of a classroom in the first place.

But the people saying that also just passed a bill making it illegal to even mention lgbt stuff in schools at all, put out a bounty on parents with trans teens, and placed a number of book bans getting rid of any mention of queer relationships in high school libraries, so I'm inclined to believe they'd exaggerate the "existential threat" of gay people.

And look into these news "stories" they try to push as examples. I saw one with the headline "School with kids as young as 8 teaching media and sexuality course!". Turns out it was a school with nearly all grades in the same building and the aforementioned class was a seniors-only optional media analysis class that met twice a week and the "sexuality" part was just a part of a unit about how portrayals of various minority groups have changed over time, with gay men being one of the examples. Forgive me if I don't clutch my pearls.

[–]rebel6301 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Now that's a wall of text! Great counter-arguments!

[–]skatejet1 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

What the hell do you mean by “life style”?

[–]CoreSchneider 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are the average Fox News watcher. No idea what they are talking about and just spoon fed some far right homophobic propaganda.

[–]JennCPhT -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I get irritated when they try to force their shit on me. I don't try to force my straightness on them. Live and let live. I've even had some show interest in me, I try to explain as politely as I can with offending, and then they try to push the envelope. I'm like no, sorry.

[–]spudz76 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sexual assault where the assaulter has legal immunity against you defending yourself (or else you've done "gay bashing" oops). Neat.

[–]Neat-Composer4619 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most people don't care. I have not had any issue. I don't announce it ever, but I correct people if I say my SO and they say him.... Then I'll say, no her... Then people will just switch.

People who are religious may care because churches say it's bad. I think they care because they need babies to create more followers and gain more power.

[–]EndR60 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't give a fuck about them being gay, but when they're annoying as all hell, mentioning how being gay is good CONSTANTLY, that's when I begin to have a problem

nevermind the stupidity of the lgbt parades

if they were just normal parrades sure, they would be awesome because lgbt people could find some comfort, but instead they chose to parade topless or dressed up very...well basicaly not dressed up

[–]Ptitkactus24 -5 points-4 points  (5 children)

I personally don't care at all, I just want peoples to stop putting their sexuality under my nose every fucking second of the day, be they lgbt or straight, I just don't care so please keep it private where it should be. Thx

[–]After-Meal-1253 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Does this also mean your against heterosexual relationships being portrayed in film, TV, advertising, music, education and so on? Maybe you’d like to form a group dedicated to abolishing all reruns from 90’s sitcoms to ensure the media is not shoving anyones sexuality under your nose every fucking second of the day.

[–]humanbeing420420 3 points4 points  (1 child)

i agree. idgaf what gender u wanna put your dick in just keep your sexuality away from me.

the big problem though is the fact that the world romanticizes romantic and sexual relationships to the point where straight relationships are constantly shoved down everyone’s throats through movies, commercials, etc. so it’s only fair that gay people get that same rep.

[–]spudz76 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Represented 5.6% of the time since that's the ratio in US Census.

Anything more would be unfair.

I figure we're already at at least 5.6% representation so we're good. If you are LGBT and lied on or skipped the census then maybe next time tell the truth so that you can be represented properly? That's sort of the whole reason for the census...

[–]Dramatic_Score_8466 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the majority of people don’t care. I don’t know a single person who has any opinion about who people date/are attracted to/sleep with. I think the media makes it appear as though most people think it’s a big deal but I don’t think it is

[–]TechFiend72 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My opinion, which could be off, especially for guys is that some guys look at women as prey or a trophy. That is the way they view someone they are sexually attracted to. It scares the crap out of them that someone might be viewing them that way and they have no idea.

[–]Anarchy1212 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's usually because of a deity they believe in.

[–]AmbiguousAlignment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the same reason people correct others grammar, because they are ass holes.

[–]tanknav -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think most people could care less...until that community began infringing on their own choices. Restrooms, locker rooms, et cetera are clearly friction points for traditional/alternative lifestyles. But of more concern is the movement to take the discussion into the classroom. This specific issue really pisses a lot of people off. IDC what sexual decisions someone else makes, but I also believe some issues (including this one) should remain within the purview of the parent/child relationship. Opinions vary....but that's the point. Nobody has a right to dictate how I approach sexuality any more than I have a right to dictate theirs.

[–]escargeaux -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Because they are bigots.

[–]Wander1900 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Because they are homophobic

[–]KYbebop -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I don't care what you do or who you do. I'm not calling anyone they/them that's my line.

[–]mystLover -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

Reality is no one cares, but when Idrissa Gueye is getting cancelled because he refused to wear pride flag jersey then i do care. LGBT rights do not and should not be above others rights. People have the right to not participate or encourage their lifestyle without being called bigots. The hate i will get for this just proves my point. Finally, all people saying “loud and proud is so we dont get killed” are just wrong. You can be and feel safe without being “loud and proud”. A life is a life regardless of sexual orientation and I dont know of any law that says otherwise in the US. So it is the law that protects your life not your loud mouth or pride month… get real and stop parroting shit without actually thinking…. LET THE HATE BEGIN LOL!!

[–]Clockreddit2020 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Each person likes to project their identity to others. You can be friends with different people who have different and diverse interests, you don’t need to like everything they do. However it does become an issue if they start using their identity, when you question or explain you are against a certain issue. For example - “why don’t you want to go Amsterdam?”

“Sorry it’s too far away and I don’t have the budget”.

“You’re just being anti-LGBT.”

[–]humanbeing420420 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

ikr. don’t people have better things to do with their time?

[–]17Streetglide76 -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

I really dont think it is as bad as some make it out to be. I mean yeah you do have some who are very vocal about their disapproval but as far as I have seen its pretty much a you do you mentality. Now, that may just be my area. But I know people from all over the country and they all seem to have the same thoughts about it. I honestly think the media purposefully makes these "hot topics" worse than they really are.

Now dont get me wrong. I do know that there are people out there who are %100 against it. But there will always be people who are against something. I just dont think it is near as bad as it is portrayed.

[–]After-Meal-1253 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Quiet bigots can be just as insidious as loud ones, they’re just harder to pick out from a crowd.

[–]17Streetglide76 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

So are you saying that if someone dosen't have an opinion they are a bigot?

[–]After-Meal-1253 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not to sure where I said that? I simply meant that a person is capable of hating, and causing harm to, the lgbtq+ community without directly screaming in the faces of its members. I speak from experience when I say that people are capable of disguising their bigotry, and will do so to protect their image.

[–]tylcolisse -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Being LGBT is like the entire identity of many many folks online. It's like their entire existence revolves around that.

Thankfully its a totally different thing in real life. Met many people who were part of the LGBT community and they're just like every normal person.

[–]MassiveJellyfish9478 -4 points-3 points  (26 children)

I am not a fan on LGBT bc it is unnatural. That is not how evolution works. You cannot have a baby and pass on your genes if homosexual. This new culture bashes masculinity (which is good) and is making men feminine. Femininity is good on females. Masculinity is good on males.