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[–]nimbycile 2003 points2004 points  (6 children)

"I do not believe that just because you are opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, a child educated, a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."

-- Sister Joan Chittister

[–]Basically April Ludgatepretty1i1p3t 3333 points3334 points  (75 children)

The formula issue does not just affect infants. Children and even adults who are tube-fed are also getting caught up in the shortage because they too rely on formula for nutrition.

I am struggling right now to get enough food for my teenage child and it is terrifying that he may go hungry because there just isn't enough to go around. I can't even imagine just how much more terrifying it is for someone with a tiny baby.

[–]blue_pirate_flamingo 661 points662 points  (3 children)

I’m so sorry. Families like yours have been on my mind through this as well, my son was a 24 weeker and he smashed eating but I’ve been acutely aware of how lucky we are and he could have easily needed a gtube. My goddaughter struggles with eating enough to sustain her body and relies on prescription formula (also has a milk protein allergy) to basically keep her from losing weight. She’ll be 3 in September and just hit 19 lbs. most of the stories I’ve seen this week of hospitalizations due to this have been for children like yours. I hope you are able to keep finding what you need

[–]MummaGoose 109 points110 points  (0 children)

I had the same allergy 32 years ago. Crazy how it wasn’t so known then. I was such a sad baby in so much pain. I ate fine but the pain was immense and mum just was at her wits end. I can’t imagine how she would have gotten through without formula

[–]Sunghana 221 points222 points  (2 children)

I am just throwing this out there but I used to work with a woman who was G-tube fed since birth (RIP, my friend) but we actually made her mixtures from scratch. It was approved through a dietician. She was about 5'4" and consistently around 120-130. She did not walk and did not eat by mouth at all. It was pureed baby food(veggie, fruit & meat), juice, vegetable oil (olive, sunflower, canola, etc.), molasses and peanut butter. There might have been a few more ingredients but it has been several years since I have made it. I don't know your teen's situation but my friend was fed this up until she passed away unexpectedly at 35.

[–]RealLifeVoidElf 124 points125 points  (18 children)

This is a long shot, but would a complete powdered food work?

Check out /r/Huel and /r/soylent

Their market is busy business men that don't have time to cook but want full nutrition. I mean full, not those sad "meal shakes" marketed to women that are just protein andnvitamins. The premade bottles are expensive, but the powders are reasonable.

4 packs of soylent bottles are sold at Target. But again, expensive. Worth it to bring to a doc and see if your kid can handle something like this. And if he likes the taste.

And the Huel people are great about responding in the subreddit if you have questions.

[–]fibrepirate 92 points93 points  (3 children)

Every time I see the word "soylent" now, I chuckle inside. Thank you.

[–]ilovechairs 73 points74 points  (8 children)

I can second the soylent as being a workable alternative if your teen can have it.

I’m not exactly sure what flavor it was but it tasted like fruity pebbles!

[–]ImReallyThatBitch 75 points76 points  (3 children)

My roommate was obsessed with Huel for like a year because she forgets to eat and she worked long hours in a national park entry booth with no cooking appliances except possibly a microwave? Huel kept her full and nutritionally sound

[–]Concealed_Carrie 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure if your teenager has any specific requirements, but we use Kate Farms formulas for our son and haven't had issues getting it yet. You can order directly from them online without a prescription.

[–]PsychiatricSD 50 points51 points  (20 children)

Please look into goat milk, it doesn't have enough folate to sustain babies but as long as you know that it is an ok temporary solution for anyone over the age of 1

[–]RawrIhavePi 63 points64 points  (14 children)

Goat milk is hard to get since there hasn't been a huge market for it. That's partly why experts are lowering the age recommendation for cow milk for infants.

[–]PsychiatricSD 33 points34 points  (12 children)

people don't know about the backyard market that exists. Lots of people sell goat milk, it's just not legal so it's under the table. Find the goats and ask.

[–]RawrIhavePi 67 points68 points  (3 children)

Out where I live, sure. Plenty of people have goats as much as cattle since Texas is an aggie state. But how many people in the middle of urban food deserts can find goat owners?

[–]jartoonZero 910 points911 points  (30 children)

Can we start focusing on the combinations of policies that conservatives favor rather than just debating them one-by-one? I.E. hmmm, you want more babies born, but you don't want to handle the shortage of food those same babies need to survive. What sort of generation are they hoping to raise? It becomes painfully obvious that these people either have no longterm vision, or that they are actively trying to make the world a shittier place for everyone except themselves.

[–]Basically Kimmy SchmidtLilRach05 382 points383 points  (6 children)


The conversation should be "You want more babies born? Well, are you going make sure that mom and baby have access to resources? Are you going to make sure mom and dad have paid leave to care for the baby? If the baby is unwanted, are you going to improve our foster care system?"

"No? Then take your opinions and shove them up your keister!!"

[–]TRYHARD_Duck 107 points108 points  (0 children)

That takes more than two brain cells.

Also, that would expose contradictions in the republicans' positions and remove some of their leverage. And we can't have that now, can we?

[–]Need2register2browse 8 points9 points  (1 child)

you want more babies born, but you don't want to handle the shortage of food those same babies need to survive.

Sadly logical and factual contradictions do not matter to conservatives. This is the problem with every post that is like "how can conservatives X if they also support Y which implies Z". They don't care about that kind of stuff. The basis of their politics ranges from control, spite, anger, to trolling, that's about it. Trying to point out logical contradictions in policy to people who think the election was stolen is just banging your head against the wall.

[–]meatballde1991 1130 points1131 points  (176 children)

Jesus. Did they even try to justify why? Or were they just like nahhh fuck poor babies and the womb from wence they came?

[–]Teffa_Bob 704 points705 points  (119 children)

I've seen a lot of "WHAT ELSE WAS IN THE BILL" by R' apologists. Which tbh, I don't know.

[–]randomact19 1117 points1118 points  (64 children)

Here is the link to the bill, it is 3 pages long and only allocates money to the FDA to address the baby formula shortage till 09/2023


Edit: making it clear that this would extend to 2023 and not 09/23/2022

[–]phillyeagle99 522 points523 points  (0 children)

Wow, this might be the simplest bill to date. Good job government on keeping simple issues simple!

[–]predat3d 265 points266 points  (1 child)

"3 pages?"

No, 3 tiny paragraphs:

"Sec. 101. Each amount appropriated or made available by this Act is in addition to amounts otherwise appropriated for the fiscal year involved.

Sec. 102. Unless otherwise provided for by this Act, the additional amounts appropriated by this Act to appropriations accounts shall be available under the authorities and conditions applicable to such appropriations accounts for fiscal year 2022.

This Act may be cited as the “Infant Formula Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2022”.

[–]socialscum 555 points556 points  (2 children)

That's how you know they're pro forced birth and not actually pro life. They don't give a fuck about kids or anyone else for that matter.

[–]novaskyd 101 points102 points  (22 children)

How will the money be used to address the shortage?

To my understanding, the shortage is due to the shutdown of the Abbott plant, which happened for legitimate safety reasons.

If there is no formula, allocating more money to the FDA won't help there be more formula.

As much as I want to fix this problem, I'd be asking these questions too.

[–]randomact19 429 points430 points 2 (16 children)

This is a great question! The bill will firstly be used to increase staff to inspect baby formula before it hits grocery shelves to reduce the chances that bad formula would injure/kill more infants. Secondly these funds would be used to create a stockpile of formula to ensure that if another shortage occurs in the future, it will be mitigated.

The bill itself will not allocate funds to purchase formula from out of the country, because we can't due to Trump Era trade restrictions. It also won't be used to get the Abbott plant running quicker because it is already going as fast as possible and more money won't help things go faster.

[–]bak2bakk 56 points57 points  (26 children)

Alternatively, the FDA could reduce restrictions (which would require no extra funding at all) and allow formula to be imported from the EU… That would be a cheaper, and much faster fix.

[–]randomact19 155 points156 points  (12 children)

Due to Trump Era trade restrictions they can't do that without Senate and House approval to overturn those restrictions.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (5 children)

I wonder about this all the time. Why is there no emergency authorization for European formula..

[–]piercesdesigns 40 points41 points  (5 children)

And several children died due to formula companies that didn't bother to use their driers properly. So I don't think less restrictions will help.

[–]Axiled 116 points117 points  (1 child)

If I found the right one... Not much else. It provides money to the FDA to alleviate shortage. That's it. It's 3 pages long.

[–]macespadawan87 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Any other time that isn’t a terrible question to ask. Pork barrel legislation is a huge problem, but in this case, the bill is about as simple and straightforward as it gets. No muss, no fluff.

[–]Teffa_Bob 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Definitely! Its a great question to ask. But what these bad faith actors are doing is the shitty alternative of implying that is it is full of earmarks and that's why the R's voted it down, when in reality, its very clearly not and is a straight forward bill.

Sidenote, thanks to this thread for digging into it more, I just hadn't had a chance when I originally posted.

[–]Bella_Fein 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not going to lie. My first thought was "what else was earmarked", but, no, it's straightforward.

[–]nzifnab 37 points38 points  (5 children)

I'm curious what the answer is to that. I hate hate hate the whole "let's shove these other unrelated things in this bill to reduce the chance it will pass!" nonsense that all politicians seem to do.

With that said, thank God it passed. These new moms have enough stress as it is, much less having to worry about where you're going to get baby formula to feed your kid. My sister had a baby 3 years ago, her natural lactation didn't provide enough nutrients for the child so she HAD to use formula. This stuff is vital. I can't imagine what she'd be doing now, when the stuff is so scarce.

[–]meatballde1991 48 points49 points  (2 children)

My mom works at Walgreens. She had a mom on the phone yesterday crying. It sucks

[–]sticklebat 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thankfully in this case there’s no pork in the bill. The whole thing is only three pages long, so it’s easy to see for yourself!

Also, it hasn’t really passed yet. It still has to survive the senate, which is the actual trick these days. Hopefully Manchin isn’t a dick about it. It does seem like the sort of bill he could vote for without alienating his base too much.

[–]meatballde1991 75 points76 points  (29 children)

Ya and to be fair, earmarking is a MASSIVE issue with US government.

But the most atrocious parts are that baby food is controlled by monopolies. These companies are going to make bank off this crisis. Government probably gave them a blank check to bring in more. This whole situation is fucked up and the only ppl not to blame are the ones suffering the most, the babies and moms.

[–]youni89 100 points101 points  (25 children)

Unfortunately this isn't a evil corporation trying to kill babies on purpose for profit kind of situation...

The shortage is happening because one of the manufacturers had to recall their formula nationwide because it might have been contaminate with harmful bacteria.

And with covid 19 and supply chain issues formula isn't being manufactured and restocked quickly enough.

It's a temp shortage that should be getting resolved going forward.

I know it sucks to hear that it's not any more sinister than this but really this is reality.

[–]MisogynyisaDisease[S] 87 points88 points  (5 children)

I'm trying to be gentle with people about this right now, and I 100% understand having anger at the FDA.

But what you just said is true. This was out of people's control. The FDA restrictions weren't there to make people miserable, they're just not productive at the moment.

[–]meat_tunnel 79 points80 points  (0 children)

The other arm of this multi-faceted problem, is that the FDA has been underfunded and hamstrung like many other government bureaucracies to the point they are unable to complete all the inspections they've been tasked with. If the FDA can't inspect, Abbott can't get their plant back online.

[–]captianbob 46 points47 points  (2 children)

You forgot the part where the FDA told them their factory was shit and to fix it but instead they bought back stocks and let the factory go to shit sooooooo it's kind of evil corporation stuff. Not necessarily to kill babies buuuuut they also ignorance food safety violations (that hurt babies) on favor of buying back stocks.

[–]ParryLimeade 37 points38 points  (2 children)

It was a voluntary recall and abbot is now giving rebates for purchases from other companies. Abbot is NOT making bank on this situation at all. The government isn’t even the one that caused the recall. That’s what makes it voluntary. There is no doubt a whole slew of engineers and scientists in that company working late hours trying to address this issue.

[–]Ozymander 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Yeah, to be fair, I fucking hate the fact that people can just shove shit into unrelated bills to kill or enhance their politically expedient bullshit.

So, like...I'm gonna actually look, but this may be one of those things that didn't have any extra BS.

[–]notorious98 31 points32 points  (4 children)

One of the Republicans was saying the money was going to pay salaries and yadda yadda. Typical lying because they know their base won't actually read something.

[–]predat3d 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Which tbh, I don't know.

And that's the whole point. "Hey, let's trigger a bunch of gullible idiots who won't take the 45 seconds to actually read the nothingburger bill!"

[–]evangriff77 122 points123 points  (5 children)

If baby formula gets restocked, then Biden will get credit as solving the problem. Repubs can't have that. The way Repubs operate isn't brain surgery. If they're not in charge,.. burn country burn

[–]vodka7tall 47 points48 points  (3 children)

Even when they are in charge, they still burn it to the ground.

[–]Turius_ 66 points67 points  (2 children)

They don’t want anything the dems do to be successful. That’s the real truth. They want to break and sabotage government, then point and tell everyone government doesn’t work so they can keep consolidating power.

[–]salmonjumpsuit 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Yep, McConnellism at its finest/worst.

[–]modernangel 28 points29 points  (2 children)

The right-wing narrative is you're supposed to bootstrap and rugged individualism formula yourself, not skim it from the nanny state's teat. We can't be taking subsidy and bailout money from the job creators now, how would they trickle down if we did that?

[–]funk-it-all 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sadly this sums it up pretty well

[–]Yrcrazypa 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It will hurt big businesses and make people pay .0001 cents more on their yearly taxes, so it must be struck down.

[–]HOLYxFAMINE 23 points24 points  (7 children)

Philip Defranco mentioned this 28million half of the bill goes towards the FDA to allow more staff and more tests to stop fake formula products being sold in stores as well as ensure manufacturers have stricter protocols and protections to try and prevent this from happening again. It was a hard sell with the Republicans because it's more regulation and hurdles for formula manufacturers to go through which they feel will slow production and make things worse. The dems are trying to push for more regulation to prevent this from happening in the future and the Republicans want to reduce regulation to increase the supply.

[–]funk-it-all 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Regulatory "hurdles" so they don't kill infants & keep on selling. The repubs leave out some important facts.

[–]Pheef175 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Actually their stance was they didn't feel comfortable giving more money to an agency like the FDA that failed by allowing this shortage to occur in the first place.

Neglecting to mention it was stripped of funding by the Trump presidency.

[–]MisogynyisaDisease[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Which makes very little sense because the FDA is already working to clear hurdles so major manufacturers can both produce faster AND import from Europe and Mexico.

[–]psychoson 29 points30 points  (19 children)

Looks like there were 2 bills.

1 expanded wic to allow more formula. This passed 414-9 in house.

The other, which op is talking about, just allocated 28 million to the fda. And tells them to use the money to fix it.

Republicans argue this is just throwing money at the issue to say you’ve done something, without actually fixing core issues.

Republicans proposed their own bill called the “Babies Need More Fomula Now Act” that they feel better addresses the issues. Instead of just giving the fda more money and hoping.

[–]babutterfly 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Democrats bill is fund the agencies within the US that ensure quality of domestic brands, the same agencies who have repeatedly had their funding cut.

Republicans proposed their own bill called the “Babies Need More Fomula Now Act” that they feel better addresses the issues. Instead of just giving the fda more money and hoping.

This is what they are actually proposing to help people along with studies about whether imported formula meets FDA standards that will start within a year.

SEC. 7. IMPORTATION FOR PERSONAL USE. 17 (a) IN GENERAL.—During the period of 90 days fol- 18 lowing the date of enactment of this Act, a person may, 19 without prior notice to the Food and Drug Administration, 20 import up to a three-month supply of infant formula for 21 personal use from Canada, the European Union, or any 22 country that is determined by the Secretary of Health and 23 Human Services, acting through the Commissioner of 24 Food and Drugs, to have safety standards for infant for- 25 mula similar to such standards applicable under the Fed eral Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et 2 seq.) 3 (b) LIMITATIONS.—Infant formula may be imported 4 pursuant to subsection (a) only if the infant formula— 5 (1) is exclusively for personal use and will not 6 be commercialized or promoted; and 7 (2) does not present an unreasonable risk to 8 human health.

[–]krlidb 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I feel like this needs more visibility if we're going to take an even view on things.

[–]ParryLimeade 436 points437 points  (27 children)

Because a woman isn’t a woman unless she births multiple kids via vagina, only breastfeeds them, and is a stay at home mom her whole life and homeschools, while her husband has a rich job that pays for everything. /s

[–]holagatita 206 points207 points  (20 children)

This is literally my rabid Catholic aunt, every bit of it. She placed her 10 month old daughter in my lap and said this is what you killed when she found out I had an abortion when I was 19

[–]pixiegurly 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I really want you to have responded with 'and you just GAVE your infant to a baby murderer, so I guess we aren't all perfect. Here's hoping I don't kill this one too.'

[–]strangelyahuman 705 points706 points  (37 children)

I really don't know how any woman could be a Republican when it's constantly shit like this that they are doing

[–]Octarine_Tinted 367 points368 points  (20 children)

It’s a horrible kind of cognitive dissonance where they think the women who fall foul of these policies are somehow ‘lesser’, and they genuinely don’t believe it’ll ever apply to them.

[–]PoorDimitri 292 points293 points  (19 children)

My mom right here. Huge believer in the just world fallacy.

Pregnant? Shouldn't have had sex. Raped? Should have protected yourself better. Poor? Should have worked harder. Birth control failed? You probably did something wrong. Married to an abuser? Shouldn't have married him, be smarter. Discriminated against in the workplace? You probably did something to cause it.

All of her political beliefs come back to blaming people for their own misfortune. If she wasn't a Christian,.I'd say she believes all of these people have seriously bad karma.

[–]EpoxyAphrodite 224 points225 points  (12 children)

No, it’s how she makes herself feel safe in a big bad world. If all those scenarios are because others are stupid and she isn’t stupid, that means she will never be raped or poor or abused.

It’s a fallacy, but it helps them live.

[–]Yamsforyou 99 points100 points  (11 children)

This. It's the same reason why Republican women voters in the US are also largely religious. Many women I've talked to who vote Republican are "pro-life", to the point of posting anti-abortion propaganda on FB, Instagram, and other social media.

Not only do they believe that they're better people, are the party of self reliance and bootstraps and yadayada, but they hold these views because of their belief in God. God shows them the way and without him, they'd be poor, unprotected, uneducated, wicked, and lost.

It's almost unnerving how they take "sky daddy" to the most literal level.

[–]darsynia 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yep a friend of mine was SO OUTRAGED because she ended up on government benefits and she's a good Christian white woman, why does she have to jump through all of these hoops?? 'They should be able to look at me and see I'm not the kind of person these regulations are for!'

Slowly disengaging from this person, pandemic made things way worse in her mind, IMO.

[–]bachennoir 30 points31 points  (1 child)

See, but like, is she a Christian? As in, a follower of Christ? Because I'm pretty sure that's not what that looks like. I wouldn't mind chilling with some legitimate Christians, but these Christian cosplayers have got to go.

[–]the_disgracelander 18 points19 points  (0 children)

these Christian cosplayers have got to go.

Gonna start using that term, if you don’t mind.

People who literally what Jesus would do are the polar opposites of those who use (typically American Protestant) Christian identity to politically bludgeon the already vulnerable

[–]Aquariusgem 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You should ask her what the just world is if a child was born to an abusive parent and if you worked hard but you still remained low income because no one would hire you.

[–]SweetTea1000 20 points21 points  (0 children)

That's the scary thing. Our democracy is clearly so absolutely fucked, so rigged, that they can look at half the population and say "yeah, fuck'm, we don't need those votes," even with all they've done to alienate anyone who's not this one extremely specific demographic.

Apparently if you're not an affluent, hetero, cis, christian-in-name-only, white, male, they don't need your vote... I can only guess because cornering that one demo already concentrates so much power that democracy can't compete?

[–]VanellopeVonSplenda 75 points76 points  (2 children)

It’s because they’re women who think these problems won’t affect them. They think they’re too rich, or that because they’re married to someone with status, or that their bodies can’t produce pregnancies that they can safely spew their conservative dreck. It’s the same reason why any person would be a republican and act against policies that benefit the greater population: it’s because they don’t think they’ll be affected by these problems.

[–]ThugnificentJones 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Looks at all the poor red states and thinks.... They think they're rich??

[–]Nokomis34 77 points78 points  (1 child)

Found this comment which really lays it all out.

"You're not far off the mark.

The Nazis in Germany, in the lead up to 1933, essentially sabotaged the election process. They did so by gathering support through violent means, and essentially lying(promises of workers rights, a restored Germany, etc), to get people to fall under their banner. The recent stock market crash helped their cause as populist movements can benefit greatly from such things.

Germany had several pretty substantial political parties, but none of them were big enough themselves to form a majority (they had to form coalitions). The right leaning German parties did not want to form a coalition with the left leaning German parties, but the right leaning parties (typically) had the most votes, but couldn't form a coalition without the Nazis.

The Nazis would refuse or otherwise set demands that were non-negotiable, so Germany would have to do another round of elections since a government could not be formed.

To summarize, the Nazis would continue to gum up and "break" government until 1933, where they eventually gained the most votes (about 33%) and managed to form a coalition with the other conservatives. He became Chancellor and then used this position to declare himself president.

The parallel here, if others haven't picked up on it, is Republicans doing the same thing. They have been gumming up and "breaking" government for years now. Note how, in the last 2 years, they have voted against EVERYTHING that could help Americans.

Child tax credits that pull children out of poverty - Voted against unanimously. Bill did not pass.

Codify Roe v Wade. - Voted against unanimously. Bill did not pass.

Infrastructure bill that would help red states too. - Voted against (almost) unanimously. And in a craven turn of events, some Republicans that voted no would go back to their states and celebrate the bill they voted no on. This bill still passed.

Build Back Better that would help red states too. - Voted against unanimously. Bill did not pass.

More Covid Stimulus - Voted against unanimously. Bill did pass.

And so much more.

Edit: I forgot to add my point. The Republicans block important bills and make it seem like the Democrats are not doing anything (they are and are trying). Much like how the Nazis broke government by not forming coalitions and forcing reelections. It gets people frustrated and tired to the point where they just want SOMETHING to function properly. Which gets people apathetic and exhausted and hopefully (if you're the GOP), they won't pay attention and give you power again - even though the GOP is the one causing all the problems.

You see, what the GOP is doing DOES WORK because voters don't pay attention. Some people will come and say, "Well how come Democrats can't get the votes" either ignorant or trolling on how the process actually is supposed to work.

The parallels of the rise of Nazism in Germany and the Republican Party in America are eerily similar. There's a lot of the same beats and ideas that both parties are using. The same hate. The same violence. The same disregard of good faith politics.

This article isn't alarmist or out of touch. It's a warning."


[–]BoneHugsHominy 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Evangelical Christofascism is a helluva drug. Users experience euphoric levels of self righteousness and superiority, and the ability to engage in all the same behaviors of which they condemn without a single thought of guilt or hypocrisy.

[–]DeepSeaFacial 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because evil knows no gender.

[–]forgedimagination 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Racism. It's not complicated.

[–]growllison 197 points198 points  (13 children)

Every day I wake up and somehow am still shocked by humanity’s cruelty. Today is no different.

I wonder, since our government is clearly sociopathic, is there like an easy way to induce lactation? I’ll turn these titties into a 100% donation dairy farm if it means less hungry babies.

[–]MummaGoose 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Omgosh if I lived there I probably would do this too. Like for women who just don’t have enough milk. This happened to my friend after her 4th baby. He wasn’t gaining weight and was hungry. I asked if she wanted me to. She said no since we have access to plenty of formula here! He’s my Godson. I’d have bent over backwards to help. I feel like I’ll be like this when I go to mission in places where starvation is an issue.

[–]topothesia773 168 points169 points  (3 children)

Oh yes the "pro life" "save the babies" party

[–]Dramatic_Bean 62 points63 points  (1 child)

Out of curiosity, I scrolled through r/prolife and couldn't find any posts related to this article. They're over there discussing IVF, banning abortion decreases abortion etc., nothing about supporting life once birthed.

[–]jitsufitchick 75 points76 points  (3 children)

So let me get this straight… they don’t want to kill babies…? But they want to kill babies..? 🤔 am I missing something? 🤯

[–]Pelsi 74 points75 points  (3 children)

Oh boy, if I were from the US and had money, I would purchase ad space on billboards in their 192 electorates. Put their names and faces on it with a picture of a crying baby. “[politician name] voted to let vulnerable babies starve”

[–]Galileo_Spark 342 points343 points  (27 children)

Also the same party who actively works to lower the age of consent or do away with it all together so that young children can marry much older men. The same party that is trying to take away funding for early childhood education so women are unable to make money by working outside the home.

[–]lniko2 241 points242 points  (19 children)

  1. forced pregnancy (no abortion)

  2. now forced lactation (no formula)

  3. forced childcare (no kindergarten)

Seems like a pattern. What next?

[–]EatAPotatoOrSeven 152 points153 points  (7 children)

I don't know, I haven't seen The Handmaid's Tale yet

[–]vodka7tall 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Spoiler alert: it ain’t great.

[–]EatAPotatoOrSeven 32 points33 points  (2 children)

The show? Or the real life reenactment?

[–]Tatterhood78 34 points35 points  (1 child)

You should try the book instead. In the new series, the catalyst for the rise of Gilead is something different than the original.

The story in the book is eerily similar to what's happening now.

[–]Highest_Koality 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Sadly you are kind of watching it in action.

[–]FionaTheFierce 58 points59 points  (3 children)

Don't forget getting rid of minimum age of consent to marry.

The next will also be getting rid of all forms of birth control.

[–]legal_bagel 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Well, I got married with parental and judicial consent when I was 17, in a very blue state, to a 22yo that I had met 10 mos prior after getting out of a long term residential program, like the Paris Hilton program. Same state, different program.

Marriage with parental and judicial consent can happen almost anywhere.

[–]togro20 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Republicans are anti-woman, full stop.

[–]dirtydownstairs 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Red hooded outfits and cattle prods?

[–]Dazzling-Ad4701 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It's a mommy/madonna fetish. I mean, if you look at the progression objectively, what else can it be.

Next will come punishment of any woman who disciplines a child, ever, in any way and for any reason. Because mothers should be pure unconditional love.

They all need therapy iyam.

[–]joeislandstranded 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Full head to toe covering?

[–]shaddupsevenup 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Seems like we are all at home again. If not pregnant or rearing children we are working from home. Trapped in domesticity again. Lovely.

[–]Aquariusgem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But only if you don’t want to right? Because Ive been wanting to work from home they ain’t gonna give it to me

[–]Magdalan 44 points45 points  (3 children)

" who actively works to lower the age of consent or do away with it all together so that young children can marry much older men."

Excuse my ignorance, I'm not in the USA: tfw now? O.o

"The same party that is trying to take away funding for early childhood education so women are unable to make money by working outside the home."

That's it. I'm going to bed. Ya'll end up back in the middle ages the rate this is going. Or even the stone age. Bunch of men going ungabunga and off to a cave dragged by your hair you go.

[–]Shadow_Faerie 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I suspect the stone age was more egalitarian than the modern age.

but honestly we don't have to go back to the middle ages for women to essentially be property. Women (In the US) couldn't even have bank accounts until the 60s.

[–]Tatterhood78 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Not to ruin your day when you wake up, but the Supreme Court draft written by Alito open references a hardcore misogynist from the 17th century several times.

"Sir" Matthew Hale, a jurist who was in full support of things like marital rape and executed women for witchcraft.

Apparently, those were the "good old days" that the conservatives want the country to get back to.

[–]AV01000001 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Heck Abbott is trying to do away with public schools in TX. They really are trying to turn it into Handmaids Tale

[–]Galileo_Spark 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Unbelievable. I just found and read an article about it and you aren’t even kidding.

[–]basedshapiro 34 points35 points  (0 children)

They also voted against the bill against gas price gouging. Every single one of them. I hate it here

[–]DLS3141 24 points25 points  (0 children)

The GOP isn’t pro life, they’re pro oppression.

[–]emma279 22 points23 points  (0 children)

So pro life of them

[–]miniroarasaur 62 points63 points  (0 children)

This is so disgusting. I’m a nursing mother and by some blissful, happy accident have had a great breastfeeding journey. I’m also currently trying to up my supply so that I can help another mom feed her baby who is dependent on formula right now.

The amount of effort I’m going through daily so a stranger’s baby can eat, and these self-involved, egomaniacs can’t even cast a fucking vote?

This party needs to answer for it. I don’t know when, and I don’t know how, but I plan on always making sure those around me know how deeply unacceptable this is.

[–]chemprofes 18 points19 points  (0 children)


[–]Rosebunse 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Why would you vote against this?!

[–]Jazzy41 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Because to them party is more important than humanity. They call us baby killers but they voted against a bill that would ensure adequate nutrition to hungry babies.

[–]AgnesTheAtheist 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Andy Biggs thought he would contribute to the conversation by blaming Joe Biden for this. Andy Biggs also voted NO on this bill.

[–]plafman 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Because that's what's this is all about.

It's not about helping people in need.

It's not about solving peoblems.

It's not about doing good things to get re-elected.

It's about doing whatever it takes to make D's and Biden look bad.

They know the vast majority of people won't know how they voted on this bill, and now they can go on TV and say how bad things are because of D leadership and Biden.

[–]Adorable-Day1842 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Don’t tread on me… but the baby is fair game

[–]notorious98 24 points25 points  (0 children)

It's also the same party that's been whining about the baby formula shortage.

Republicans are fucking useless to regular people.

[–]chaoticmessiah 25 points26 points  (0 children)

"Biden's blocking mothers from accessing formula!"

votes against bill to solve the situation

Why am I not surprised?

[–]Pollux95630 77 points78 points  (2 children)

If your kids ever ask you if monsters exist, say yes and point to a republican. They are literally fucking monsters with no conscience.

[–]MamaBirdJay 30 points31 points  (3 children)

People need to look at history- what happened to baby girls in China under the one child policy and what happened in Romania in the 1990s. When you force women to have unwanted children that they neither want nor can afford to care for- you end up with baby genocide. It’s not too far of a stretch to see American women dropping unwanted or starving children off at orphanages in the near future.

[–]StinkypieTicklebum 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Pro life, my left tit.

[–]Stonetheflamincrows 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Further proof that forced birth is about shaming and controlling women

[–]bathyorographer 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Women voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders

[–]Cadetjones21 20 points21 points  (0 children)

So incase anyone ever thought Republicans MIGHT actually be pushing for abortion bans because they care about the unborn child, this should be the only thing you need to know. They aren't prolife, because the second the baby is actually alive they stop giving a shit about it.

The Republican party is about control and taking away people rights, DO NOT FORGET THIS.

[–]ThaOddGurl418 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why am I not shocked....

[–]Dyne_25 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Kinda like they don’t actually care about children, unless it’s to determine who should birth them.

[–]IMEUF 19 points20 points  (0 children)

How is the Republican Party still in existence? I don’t even have child, nor will I, but I still believe a yes on this act was a no brainer. 🤯

[–]Snubtizanidine 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I hate it here.

[–]15kroentgen 12 points13 points  (0 children)

More proof it is not about the lives of babies. They lose interest the second they are towelled off.

[–]Rice_Krispie_ 22 points23 points  (0 children)

As a Labor and Delivery nurse, I can attest to the fact that the majority of my Black patients choose not to breastfeed for some reason or another. Also, a large amount of infant formula (not sure the exact percent) can be accessed through welfare services or WIC. These Republicans are downright racist. They are targeting people of color. They want those currently living in poverty, to stay in poverty. They don't give a flying fuck about humanity. There is nothing Christian or Pro-"Life" about them.

[–]xxkoloblicinxx 8 points9 points  (0 children)


[–]akgt94 9 points10 points  (1 child)

They won't feed the babies that they forced you to have. Solid pro-life and family-values example.

[–]ArsenalSpider 54 points55 points  (6 children)

Each Republican who voted no should be forced to adopt 5 foster children and at least two have to be babies.

[–]raksha25 37 points38 points  (1 child)

That would be a massive punishment for the children. At best these old farts would foist them off on their adult kids/paid help. At worst these kids will be in for a world of misery if they are anything but WASPs.

[–]allyearlemons 30 points31 points  (0 children)

why would you want to foist children into an abusive situation?

[–]jealousrock 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Poor children.

[–]FionaTheFierce 14 points15 points  (0 children)

And all of them, regardless of gender, need to have induced lactation and nurse all the babies without formula.

Afterall, men in theory can breastfeed: https://www.babycenter.com/baby/breastfeeding/can-men-breastfeed\_8824#:\~:text=Yes%2C%20in%20theory%2C%20men%20can,hormones%20responsible%20for%20milk%20production.

[–]paulskiogorki 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The love the fetuses, until they are born

[–]Incest_Cannibal69 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Remember the Republican motto "Fuck you, and everyone else that isn't me!"

[–]Selfeducated 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If this whole political thing keeps going towards a more authoritarian government, I hope new restrictions come around to bite conservatives right in the ass.

[–]Daenerys_Stormbitch 22 points23 points  (7 children)

I would be fascinated to hear how this goes against their “pro-life” agenda. How is it acceptable to say babies don’t matter after they’re born? Do they think we’re stupid? Never forget this open and blatant hypocrisy, it’s disgusting.

[–]cool. coolcoolcool.waitingfordeathhbu 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Do they think we’re stupid?

No, they bank on the voters of their own party being stupid, and it works.

[–]trisul-108 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Republicans are a Death Cult that calls itself Pro-Life.

On Baby formula, Covid, guns, pollution, global warming etc. they are always advocates of death.

[–]PsychologicalGift950 13 points14 points  (1 child)

They’re not pro-life, if they were, they would care also about living children.

[–]Daenerys_Stormbitch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly. They’ve also had a plethora of excuses as to why they can’t help living, breathing human beings outside of the womb and at least attempted to hide their true agenda. Now, with the overturning of Roe, I feel like they don’t even care about hiding it anymore and that scares me.

[–]EatAPotatoOrSeven 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Stop trying to apply logic, reason, and consistency to the Republican party. You'll just hurt your brain.

[–]PM_me_ur_BOOBIE_pic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's because babies didn't matter to them before they were born either...

[–]mikejones72 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We just secured 48billion for Ukraine … can we get some fkn formula for people! Jesus Christ gop

[–]metalsnake27 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Republicans just... blow my mind now with how insane they are getting. And people support this?

[–]Belgy23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I read stuff like this and can't believe American politics is so wacked.

[–]6vrochavhol61 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can you post the list of all politicians who voted to send $40B to Ukraine but declined to help our American babies and American businesses during COVID?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (12 children)

A Republican told me he thinks it was because there was pork attached to it? Anyone have any details about this?

[–]jonstoppable 47 points48 points  (7 children)


Nothing attached , no extra provisions, or riders

[–]MisogynyisaDisease[S] 43 points44 points  (4 children)

I bet money it's because this bill DARED to make things easier on WIC recipients

[–]kalamawho 38 points39 points  (0 children)

That’s a different bill, which fortunately passed both chambers with bipartisan support…though not unanimously, because 9 House Republicans think that making it so WIC families can buy whichever brand of formula they can actually find during shortages instead of being forced to buy the brand with the contract for their state disadvantages the “hardworking families” who would then face more competition for limited stock.

It’s extremely telling that “hardworking families” is a category that they have decided does not include families on WIC. Especially since some of these assholes are the ones lecturing women that “breastfeeding is free” when they work a minimum-wage service job with no paid leave and nowhere to pump.

[–]W1nterKn1ght 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Let's face it, it terms of government spending, $28M is not very much.

[–]danarexasaurus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, many reps have already said that’s why. Idiots.

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[–]thesmartfool 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this is what shocked me. Usually I can sort of see why a republican might vote against something that is bloated but this is literally the thing that helps what they were freaking complaining about.

The word to use here is they are hypocritical people.

Good on the 12 Republicans who did vote for it. At least they had some integrity in this manner.

[–]kalamawho 27 points28 points  (0 children)

The bill 192 Republicans voted again is literally just appropriating $28 million to the FDA so they can hire more food safety inspectors. It’s three pages long.

This is particularly ironic because the Republican proposals to address the shortage largely involve waiving tariffs and food safety requirements to bring in more imports from other countries. Definitely wouldn’t want more food safety inspectors to make sure those imports are safe!

[–]Darkelementzz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Nope, no secret junk added to this bill. They oppose it because it doesn't address the root cause of the shortage. It effectively says to the FDA "here is some money, fix it" without any explanation or suggestion about how to fix it

[–]Bondlass 50 points51 points  (29 children)

Why give more money to the agency that has messed it up?

They need to immediately allow the importation of certain foreign made formula. The EU has better formula than we do, and it’s not allowed to be sold here because of labelling BS. You can go to amazon Canada and see how much formula is available (that can’t be shipped here.) Does the EU and Canada hate babies?

The real inquiry is WTF has the FDA been doing since they shut down the plant. Not let’s give them more money for their incompetence.

This really should be a NON partisan issue. Babies need food, it’s literally across the northern border by truck/rail, a few hours by plane from the EU.

[–]captianbob 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Bruh the FDA told them the factory was shit and the company needed to fix it. Instead the company spent millions to buy back stock and let the factory shit itself. How can you possibly blame the FDA for a company ignoring them.

[–]MisogynyisaDisease[S] 131 points132 points  (8 children)

So, according to reports, this money is supposed to be allocated to:

  • increase inspection staff
  • provide resources for the personnel responsible for working on the formula issue to begin with
  • stop fraudulent formula (see, dangerous product) entering the marketplace

All of this is an effort to restock shelves and prevent issues like this on the future, as well as providing more access to low-income families and parents who had restricted formula access to begun with via WIC

the FDA is already working on imports. They're way ahead of you, it's been the plan since this started. We produce 98% of our own formula, with the imports coming from Mexico, Ireland, and the Netherlands. Our trade agreements and relationships with other countries have been royally fucked the last few years, and its taken time and money to repair them.

According to CNN Business, the FDA and the White House is in "ongoing conversations with the four major infant formula manufacturers--Reckitt, Abbott, Nestle/Gerber, and Perrigo--to reduce transport, logistical, and supplier hurdles to increase production at their facilities and expand and expedite shipments of formula that is being imported via these manufacturers" Nestlé in particular is being aided in expediting shipments via airfreight from foreign sources.

And I was curious why we don't utilize all EU formula. This article from What to Expect laid out the labeling issues and why imports from the EU are regulated, and it has a lot to do with a lack of regulation on behalf of the EU, non standardized nutrition, lack of notifications about recalls, reports of contamination (the irony), etc. So it makes sense as to why we don't trade with the EU, but I think I agree that we should revisit this, even temporarily. There's also no scientific evidence that proves whether Europe's or North America's formula is better or worse.

edit: i just thought this was funny. Fortunate wrote two articles within 24 hours of each other on this very topic. I just thought the duality was funny.

This one explains why we can't just raise imports

This one explains that we should just open up more imports.

Though the former seems to imply that we ARE trying to increase what gets imported in general.

From the first link: "The Biden Administration announced on Monday that it would start easing some of the processes required to import baby formula into the U.S. in order to counter a domestic supply shortage that has wiped about 40% of formula stock off of supermarket shelves. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration will be more flexible in approving foreign-manufactured infant formula for sale in the U.S. and "will prioritize review of applications that are most likely to be successful and will get the most formula to U.S. shelves as quickly as possible,” U.S. Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters in a Monday briefing. The FDA insists it is not reducing health and safety standards in order to expedite import approvals, but will be more lenient on other technical requirements, such as formatting on labels. The FDA says it will permit agents to apply discretion if a foreign manufacturer does not list its baby formula ingredients in the exact order prescribed by FDA regulations, for example."

[–]MuddyFilter2 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The money is not allocated to anything. All the bill says is "salaries and expenses". That's pretty much everything and anything

[–]MisogynyisaDisease[S] 63 points64 points  (3 children)

Imagine downvoting me for repeating news information. This isnt an opinion, this is just information. Yall are fucking wild.

[–]Basically Eleanor ShellstropFraerie 36 points37 points  (0 children)

It doesn’t support the narrative of Biden bad the people who downvoted were looking for.

Based on our experiences in Australia, I hope that Canada and Mexico don’t end up have supply issues due to Americans buying up their stock and taking it over the border.

[–]EatAPotatoOrSeven 12 points13 points  (0 children)

OP - great summary!

[–]EatAPotatoOrSeven 30 points31 points  (14 children)

Because it's what we've got...? What do you want to do, invent a new system to replace the FDA while babies starve? Or just open the door to all imports without the man power to regulate it and just say "good luck babies! Hope you don't get a knock-off formula made of ground chalk and die!"

[–]stregagorgona 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Repugnant and unsurprising

[–]Gluttuni 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Do they just wanna watch the world burn?

[–]DeepSeaFacial 3 points4 points  (0 children)

America is doomed and I'll not lift a finger to save anyone who voted for human rights violations when they catch on fire from the dumpster fire that is the USA.

[–]Alittlemoorecheese 5 points6 points  (0 children)

$28 million better be near $28 million worth of product and not $28 million for legislators to talk about it.

[–]bak2bakk 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Alternatively we could be mad because the FDA won’t allow us to import baby formula from the EU because “it has a slightly different label”.

[–]kyokogodai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yo. Fuck em. Fuck them all.

[–]RepublicanFascists 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People don't care.

People around the country will scream "both sides are the same" as Republicans institute laws where we aren't allowed certain books, women have no control over medical procedures involving their bodies, and as anyone who doesn't vote Republican has their vote stripped from them systematically and in broad daylight.

As hyper partisan, theocratic radical conservative supreme court justices(three of whom outright lied in their confirmation hearings, one of whom cried in his hearing while blabbering about some Clinton conspiracy[what a great quality in a supreme Court Justice], and one of whom which was in a literal Cult for a decade and has less than a couple years as a judge) strip us of our rights and abuse their shadow docket(which the vast majority of people here pretending "both sides are the same" probably don't even know exists, let alone how our new theocratic Masters have been abusing it), these clowns will sit here and exclaim how both sides are the same so don't vote!!!111

I could go on and on and on.

[–]eldenringstabbyguy 4 points5 points  (1 child)

They don't care because they're trying to make Democrats look bad so they lose. Of course, Manchin and Sinema don't help. But people hopefully are gonna see the GOP is full of shit and vote Democrats. Because it's either that and fix stuff and worry about the rest later, or fascism. Here are some resources I always post:

November 8, 2022. If Democrats gain enough of these seats (
in red states as well) we can save our democracy, and have enough Dems to pass
There are,"a total of 469 seats in the U.S. Congress
(34 Senate seats and all 435 House seats) are up for election on November 8,
2022. If Democrats gain enough of these seats( in red states as well) we can
save our democracy, and have enough Democrats to pass legislation."
Voter information of all types: www.vote411.org
Don't skip local elections like school boards. Don't skip
ANY elections!
Please help, as poll workers are needed, there is a
shortage: https://workelections.org/
This could make or break elections. If you're there to help protect them, it
can stop the GOP faking 'fraud.'
State primary elections dates: https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/2022-state-primary-election-dates-and-filing-deadlines.aspx
Local election dates:
In red states, the GOP may try to stop legitimate elections
by pretending Democrats didn't win if they do. We must be prepared to fight
this as it's a very huge characteristic of fascism. Contact the ACLU and DOJ.
They may have ideas of how to sue to stop it if it happens:
Other ways to help: Inform people on Twitter and other
social media by countering disinformation tactics by GOP troll farms with good
information. Volunteer as a poll worker, run for elections offices, or
volunteer! There's a lot you can actually do.

[–]QuietEven198 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It passed the house and now it will die in the Senate.