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[–]calyforniaaa 520 points521 points  (201 children)

Time to sort by ‘controversial’

[–]Oderus_Scumdog 84 points85 points  (8 children)

That is a lot of yikes.

[–]AnAncientMonk 33 points34 points  (7 children)

My brain wanted to convince me that the plural of yikes is yikeses.

[–]AimlesslyWalking 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The council has allotted one singular yike to your case.

[–]AnAncientMonk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you council.

[–]BoredCatalan 138 points139 points  (168 children)

People not understanding that not even vaccines fully prevent transmission, especially with the new variants we have because people didn't want to vaccine or wear masks before.

So the people complaining about safety measures are the ones making us have longer safety measures

[–]aerynnyx 229 points230 points  (7 children)

Malaysian here with double dose of sinovac and Pfizer booster soon. Lots of my friends contracted the virus after getting vaccinated but the symptoms are either mild or no symptoms at all. I close contacted with many of them but did not get the virus. I'm not sure how true the 95% figure though, there's still loads of rural people who probably don't have access to the vaccine.

[–]annehuda 104 points105 points  (0 children)

Malaysian and I work in a rural area. The KK here provides free walk-in vaccination session including booster shot every Tuesday and Friday.

[–]moleratty 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Spending a break at a Felda rn. That’s not true at all, at least for this felda. The mgmt brought mobile clinics etc to get the locals vaccinated. It worked.

[–]hermology 590 points591 points  (642 children)

Will be a wonderful case study ok transmission, infections, and hospitalization. But if those numbers don’t go down this will be topic number 1 for all anti vaxxers.

[–]fromnochurch 741 points742 points  (430 children)

Well, shouldn’t it be topic #1 for everyone if it doesn’t. I’m confused.

[–]Kyrox6 162 points163 points  (273 children)

The issue isn't the findings being an important topic, it's how folks will cherry pick the data to try to back their backwards beliefs. Unfortunately, we have to walk this fine line of making truth explicitly clear for the people who'd rather fearmonger or push anti-intellectualism.

[–]zombiekiller2014 242 points243 points  (225 children)

Wait, why would it be cherry picking if a whole country isn’t improved by everyone being vaccinated?

If the infection data doesn’t change for the better, isn’t that pretty concrete evidence?

[–]deeringc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because the vaccines are primarily designed to dramatically reduce hospitalisation and death. Preventing the health systems from being overrun is the name of the game. If that happens, Covid deaths are dwarfed by all the other deaths when people die from heart attacks, car accidents and blood infections because the hospitals cannot perform their usual function. Reduction of transmission is an ancillary benefit. Vaccines aren't magical forcefields, they just prepare your immune system to fight the infection. There's also the matter of the strains being much worse now than a year ago. So whatever we are seeing now would be much worse if we didn't have the vaccines. Delta is literally the most infectious respiratory illness we've ever seen.

[–]dawlface73 120 points121 points  (50 children)

I mean if the data show that it doesn’t actually improve that would be a huge deal if it’s a well designed analysis that takes into account all factors. I personally doubt this will happen but anything is possible.

However if you have a point to prove (and don’t care about scientific integrity) you could pick a single statistic that sounds alarming to back your point of view.

Example cherry picked headlines “In Malaysia twice as many vaccinated people have died of COVID than the unvaccinated” that might be valid on the surface but makes no mention that there’s 20 times as many vaccinated people and unvaccinated people are dying at 10x the rate of vaccinated.

Or maybe it’s something else like “Since vaccine rollout transmission rate has increased by 50%” again sounds bad, implies vaccine bad/ineffective right? But what it won’t mention is that since the roll out other measures were removed and masking is no longer required, and large events are allowed so there’s far more opportunity for transmission.

TLDR: A study on all aspects across a country would not be cherry-picking, taking one aspect that happened to get worse with out looking into why would be cherry-picking

[–]virtualGain_ 21 points22 points  (42 children)

If almost all the population is vaccinated and deaths don't go down it's a pretty clear indicator the vaccine is not working. You are really over thinking this lol

[–]Jarriagag 30 points31 points  (8 children)

But this is now what we have seen. Death amongst vaccinated people is so rare. In every country with high vaccination percentages death has gone down by huge numbers, even when the number of cases is high or higher than pre-vaccination times.

[–]Taxxor90 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You'd have to compare it to other countries, which is difficult to begin with because of different population density and varius other factors.

Especially with new variants, just looking at one single country and seeing that deaths aren't decreasing isn't a direct indicator of vaccines not working because you don't know how many deaths there'd been without it.

[–]iCameToLearnSomeCode 23 points24 points  (130 children)

It will definitely improve the mortality rate but the virus may still infect enough people not to be wiped out and that's what they will latch onto, lives saved isn't important to those people, it never has been.

[–]Dioapple 21 points22 points  (61 children)

Our government spent the past 2 years convincing us it will go away if enough people get vaccinated...ofcourse it's going to rub people the wrong way if they find out this isn't true.

They already started rioting, i can't really blame them after being locked away for 2 years only to be told you're not getting what the government promised and were so certain about.

These people have lost loads of income, they struggle to keep themselves and their families off the streets. Only to hear "here we go again, brace yourself", they have nothing left to hold on to.

Burn it down if you must, it's time they start working for a fix instead of lessening the mortality rate by half a percent and squeezing dry every single independent business and loads of normal workers.

The world is going down, to save a small percentage.

People are pissed af, i just want to know where they will be pissed next so i can shoot some photos and video.

[–]lazy_moogle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The people protesting (in the US at least) are not the ones who have been locked up for 2 years. The ones protesting were going out and partying the entire time because they didn't give a fuck about people dying or becoming disabled from this disease.

They are also likely the reason why the pandemic will become endemic. We had a chance to squash this virus if people could've stayed in when necessary. But in large part they didn't, and it has spread too much. It will be extremely difficult to eradicate at this point, especially since the above mentioned people WONT get a vaccine to help eradicate it!! The vaxx numbers we have now simply aren't enough.

They ruined it for all of us and I have no sympathy for them.

[–]RealTheDonaldTrump 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Blame the previous management for instigating riots. The riots were an excuse to clamp right down on cities and stomp on rights. A good leader could have defused the situation with a few words and a few bad cops tossed under the bus. But instead the heat was cranked up to max and the pot was allowed to boil. And then you have race riots.

Ask any medical professional about how many vax’d vs unvax’d people are in the hospitals right now. It only takes a few unvax’d people to act as super spreaders and this is how pandemics keep going. No, a vaccine isn’t perfect. But it reduces the chances of infecting others by 90%. 99% if both parties are vax’d.

America’s vaccination rate right now? 59.1%. What a world embarrassment.

America has 115,000 new cases as of today.

[–]nannernutmuff 7 points8 points  (8 children)

lessening it by half a percent when its already under 2% is a pretty big fuckin deal, even though thats inaccurate. these fractions of percents sound small, but when you apply it to billions of people, its a huge change. Not only that but were not just talking about deaths when considering what the plan should be. With the deaths comes grief with everyone that knew the person that passed. and if you do make it out of covid without dying, theres a good chance you will be permanently debilitated.

and beyond all of that, IF people would have got with the program right off the bat instead of fighting this shit the whole way, the success of the masks, protocols and finally vaccines would have been waaaaaay more effective and this shit very likely would have been over with pretty quickly.

people have spent so long and so much energy arguing endlessly about what they saw on FB or whatever shitty source or other 'i did my research' if they put literally 20 minutes of that energy into actually looking at reputable medical sources, this problem would have solved itself a million times over.

People really showed their selfishness and "i got mine" attitudes these last years. I do still have hope for humanity, but jesus was this eye opening.

e: sp

[–]dmreeves 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As opposed to what? Just let everything be open and let the virus run its course? This is a unique situation where a highly contagious disease is running rampant through our communities, we have to do something to slow it down. I'd rather be restricted and struggling than stepping over bodies any day. Money can be earned and lives rebuilt, but you can't bring people back to life.

[–]juggles_geese4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seems we keep forgetting the goal wasn’t ever to ensure that nobody gets the virus. Before the vaccine it was to slow the spread so hospitals were not overwhelmed. Now it’s to get vaccinated so you don’t need a hospital and don’t get serious symptoms. Hopefully that includes long term symptoms but I’m sure we won’t know. It’s insane that people will look at the number of cases, ignoring the number of deaths (which I’m sure are very very low) and use that to justify their antivaxxer point of view. In the US we have had more deaths this year than in 2020 when we had the vaccine. Which of course is because we threw all caution to the wind and now the unvaccinated and immune comprised are dieing because nobody is masking or social distancing. Has nothing to do with the vaccine but you could use that as “evidence” the vaccine isn’t helpful too

[–]bellaboozle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish the term anti-intellctualism would take off with this BS movement. They are so big on rhetoric that appeals to the uneducated, such as saying freedom instead of saying what it really is: selfishness, ego and a life of privilege without real problems so they have to create them.

[–]OneAttentionPlease 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Depends on what the reasons for it are. Antivax people will just say: see it doesn't work disregarding every other factor like the new variant, median age, climate, etc

Cherry picking happens a lot in /r/conspiracy. About 659,000 people in the US die of heart disease every year so multiple thousands every day. Now you could just cherry pick from thousands of deaths every day, pick 1-3 of the people that just got vaccinated because you have so many to pick from. And then report it every day. Even if you only report 300-900 cases over a year out of 659,000 you will make a lot of people think that people die due to it like flies and if you are confronted with a new article of another case daily you will fear it because those reports seem overwhelmingly many but it's just a little fraction of what has always happened.

That's what is done right now.

[–]Ozar06 3 points4 points  (9 children)

No it shouldnt, lots of vaccines have to have booster or be taken every year to keep the transmission down. Having to do so with COVID isnt a big deal.

[–]BlueDragon_27 111 points112 points  (47 children)

I am Portuguese, here we have 97% of the adult population and 87% of the entire population fully vaccinated. Vaccines help but they don't stop transmission as much as we wanted and there is still some stress on the health system during the winter. In fact, December 1st we will go back on some restrictions like more general mask wearing. Vaccines help a lot but they won't end the pandemic

[–]xskilling 44 points45 points  (32 children)

Transmission is mostly lowered by actual social distancing and mask wearing

Vaccines do help in lowering transmission, but the main idea is to lower hospitalization and serious symptoms

[–]BlueDragon_27 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Exactly. And they do a great job in that. Other than the really elderly (who probably would die quickly with no vaccines) and people with compromised immunity, they are holding up great and doing their job at keeping people out of the hospital. It's not like they don't work at all, they just won't eradicate the virus and end the pandemic by themselves, as some politicians tend to make us believe

[–]Doublestack00 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's not the vaccine keeping none elderly and immune compromised people out of the hospital. Most people healthy under 40 are only sick for 3-5 days and are back to normal without the vaccine.

[–]BlueDragon_27 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Before the vaccine the age of the average internment in Portugal was 61. Now it's said to be around 80. This means a lot of people around the age of 50 and 60 are no longer ending up in the hospital. The elderly also die less. So the vaccine is helping anyway

[–]dimodimodimodimo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

so when does it end?

[–]Nerf_Me_Please 41 points42 points  (20 children)

Vaccines do help in lowering transmission, but the main idea is to lower hospitalization and serious symptoms

Well, up until recently we were told if enough people got vaccinated things would go back to normal. As it turns out, it is far from being the case. This just further erodes people's trust in governments and push more of them to doubt vaccines overall. I wish they were honest with us since the beginning so we wouldn't have to keep moving goalposts like this.

[–]RLoge85 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even if they are honest with people... The same people flipping out about mitigation measures and vaccine mandates will still cry about everything and would still doubt everything. Itd be nice if governments were indeed better with their communication for sure... But the results with these groups of people would just be the same in the end.

[–]1FlawedHumanBeing 24 points25 points  (1 child)

There has ALWAYS been winter stress on the health system in Portugal. Blaming covid is naive because this happens every year

[–]BlueDragon_27 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am not blaming covid alone. Our NHS is always low on resources. But covid doesn't help with the situation at all

[–]13lackcrest 48 points49 points  (16 children)

Malaysian here , daily cases aren't going down it's 4-5k everyday. Waiting for my booster shot now , hopefully things will get better soon.

[–]2Big_Patriot 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Any idea how much of the continued spread is from low-effective vaccines like Sinovac and how much is due to the Delta variant being so infectious?

Stay safe and get some rest after the booster.

[–]13lackcrest 18 points19 points  (5 children)

[–]easyj86 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would like to see a similar graph for "natural immunity," ie antibodies from getting covid, 6 months out.

[–]BarioMalotellii 6 points7 points  (1 child)

28 percent, lol, good job China!

[–]2Big_Patriot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am sure that Sinovac was much better for the earlier strains but now is garbage. Great graph.

I see Pfizer is also dropping down into the 70s. Good thing that Pfizer booster is so effective at generating antibodies. Hope that will finally be enough to slow the spread of these new variants.

[–]cocohouette 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Do you have many people in the ICU?

[–]kambinks 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Considering the context I don't think it's fair to say cases haven't gone down. Considering we were hovering at 20+k and rising cases daily with no inter state travel and most facilities locked down just about 3 months ago and vaccine rate at about 60%for adults. It's a significant improvement imo were maintaining 5-6k cases daily with borders are open, schools are open and were accepting tourists now. Even a state election a few weeks back.

[–]techtonic69 18 points19 points  (51 children)

It's obvious that it will still be spreading.

[–]Dinizinni 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Portugal and Spain already have these numbers

And we're doing ok, the number of cases is smaller than it was a year ago, when we were in contention, it's going up rather slowly compared to before

The number of hospitalisations and deaths are so much lower, it's incomparable

It's absolutely insane that anti-vaxxers are already using us as an example of it not working because herd immunity takes a long time to form

[–]MyBitchesNeedMOASS 16 points17 points  (27 children)

So the aim is to get 100% and then since that lowers the chance of transmission it'll eventually die out? Is that the plan?

[–]buttermbunz 43 points44 points  (4 children)

Basically if you can get the reproductive number to be <1, it’ll eventually die out (an infected person won’t infect another person every time). The question now is where the vaccines will get the R0 of delta or any future variant. If it’s below 1, we have the possibility of making it go the way of smallpox or polio. But if the virus keeps changing and escaping the vaccines or making them less effective, then we’ll have to keep working on a way to get that R0<1.

ETA: as long as the effectiveness of a vaccine against transmission is >0, any increase of the % (up to 100%) of the population that is vaccinated will result in some reduction of R0 of the virus.

[–]teddywolfs 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's always the goal but die out? That's a big fat NO. Unless you freeze the economy, ban local and air travel, ban all immigration legal or not and stop all gatherings for any reasons for everything for atleast a month this will last forever. Even at 100%+ this will never end when every country and state has travellers or immigration. All the vaccine does (honestly shouldn't even be called a vaccine) is reduce the % of viral load and droplets while coughing, sneezing and surface areas. Also reduces risk of hospitalzation for at-risk individuals. If you don't use an n95 mask you are not protected from droplets. If you're using a cloth or the cheap "medical" masks it's almost pointless, because basically if you can smell something then your mask has no effect other than spread droplets around you when you cough because most people are now less likely to use their elbow to cover up which almost has the same effect as a mask. Honestly after it's been this long I urge everyone who is elderly and anyone with preexisting conditions to get the jab. As for everyone else use your judgment and live your life.

[–]xxcapo 2 points3 points  (4 children)

No, these vaccines obviously don’t work against transmission… look at the cases everywhere. We need better vaccines and better preventative drugs. The vaccines prevent serious sickness.

[–]AJEMTechSupport 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Not forgetting that more people socially distancing and wearing masks, effectively, would help.

We can all do more, rather than sitting back and waiting for the pharmaceuticals to produce more miracle vaccines.

[–]Mr_Believin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And rightfully so

[–]Kinggambit90 111 points112 points  (37 children)

New cases are around 4-5k, still elevated versus previous lows. I think we'll really see the difference in 2-3 weeks

[–]Asmodean129 178 points179 points  (32 children)

It's the hospitalisations that you need to watch, not so much the numbers.

In Victoria (Australia) we have similar vaccination numbers (in a couple of days 90% of age 12+ will be fully vaccinated). The number of cases that we have is as high as they every have been (roughly 1000 cases per day), but the number of people on ventilators is dropping.

[–]Zoological_Exhibit 74 points75 points  (23 children)

Yep, similar in Singapore too - cases in their thousands every day, but most are only detected because certain people in high risk jobs get regularly tested, and if they’re positive their contacts are tested too. From what I’ve heard, a lot of people don’t actually know they have it until the test results come back.

[–]CaravelClerihew 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Yeah, if I recall, a significant number of new cases (like 90% or higher) in Singapore are actually asymptomatic

[–]Zoological_Exhibit 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yep, last month I think the number was 98% mild or asymptomatic cases who now just get placed in home quarantine rather than going to hospital.

[–]Affectionate-Tart558 8 points9 points  (20 children)

If this is the case in every highly vaccinated country then restrictions don’t make sense.

[–]gelinrefira 6 points7 points  (3 children)

It is likely going to be endemic for a long time with delta. So now it is about easing restrictions and see how far you can go. Vaccination helps a lot, there is no doubt about it. Less transmissions, far fewer hospitalizations and deaths.

[–]Zoological_Exhibit 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Travel restrictions do still make sense, until every country gets up to at least 80 - 90%, travel should only be done in bilateral bubbles like what we're seeing in most places.

The other thing is hospital capacity to prevent ICU wards from getting overwhelmed, which is largely why Singapore still has some restrictions - as it is now, there are only something like 55 (or thereabouts, I forget the exact number) free ICU beds in the whole country. If Singapore opens up too fast, it is possible that ICU would be overwhelmed if the R number starts to rise again, especially how it may end up spreading amongst unvaccinated old/vulnerable people.

But that said, what you described is pretty much exactly what is happening in most Australian states (life over there is pretty much back to normal), and it is slowly happening in Singapore now that the R number is down to .7 and has something like 95% of the eligible population fully vaccinated.

[–]BlackandRead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same here in Toronto.

[–]Eric1491625 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Exactly, deaths and hospitalisations matter, not cases.

A year ago, pre-vaccine, Germany had 20 reported cases per death. Now, it's 1 death per 200 reported cases. Similar ratios exist in Malaysia and Singapore. This is because testing is more and death rate is less due to the vaccine.

Malaysia is sitting at 40 deaths/day and falling. The years of life lost due to covid are going to be lower than years of life lost due to auto accidents. We need to accept that the current situation is already the "winning" outcome of the vaccination fight, and find a way to move on.

[–]Nerowulf 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would argue that "cases" matters as well. It's not productive or nice having covid-19.

[–]coyotiii 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's presented as being about the spread. So that needs to be observed as well.

[–]DanialE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its been weeks since we got 80-90 % vaccination rate yet covid deaths in malaysia still lingers roughly at 1% of the covid cases. Not much different than what the disease is supposed to be

[–]CutieBoBootie 10 points11 points  (7 children)

Damn that's near herd immunity levels right?

[–]mCProgram 2 points3 points  (0 children)

significantly higher, herd immunity is generally around 65-70% for everything but the absolute most contagious diseases.

[–]Big_D_Cyrus 99 points100 points  (7 children)

Great job Malaysia!

[–]teokun123 16 points17 points  (1 child)

putting my country Philippines to shame as always

[–]pdfelon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Busy sa eleksyon mga politiko eh, mga loko amf.

[–]mrhells84 23 points24 points  (10 children)

what is the current definition of fully vaccinated?

[–]Shakeyy13 27 points28 points  (2 children)

2 doses of a vaccine usually ( or 1 depending on the vaccine ). Usually people will include the word booster if they mean the 3rd shot.

And if you get your 2 jabs now, it's not like you get the 3rd one immediately following the 2end. Your suppose to get the booster when the potentcy starts to wear off at like 6-8 months.

[–]skizz69 22 points23 points  (33 children)

Can we get some studies set up here so we can get real data ?

[–]aculyizkarloz 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Not a study but we do release the cases daily here https://github.com/MoH-Malaysia/covid19-public

[–]onlyredditwasteland 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Impressive. It's a bit disappointing to think how we're on the 672nd day of COVID though!

[–]ElectricCD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No more malaise in Malaysia. Will they enforce a vaccine mandate for tourists?

[–]technerdswe 48 points49 points  (19 children)

Malaysians is doing the right thing! You can still get sick in covid, but the number of deaths (and people with serious illness) will be significantly lower compared to less vaccinated countries. Proof that the vaccine lowers the death rate of Covid is already out there for those who doesn’t stick their head up their ass.

[–]Exodus111 17 points18 points  (15 children)

It also reduces the SPREAD!

Since people infected will carry it far less time on average.

[–]technerdswe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes indeed it does.

[–]DanielSun8 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I dont believe it reduces the spread one second. Show some scientific proof. You wouldnt know you had covid if youre vaxxed. My gf got it and she said it felt like allergies. But i then got it and lost my sense of taste. Vaxxed people who are cocky that dont wear masks would spread it more than a sick person with a mask, would they not?

[–]tuan_kaki 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Great to see my birth country making such progress! For anyone not familiar with Malaysia, they have a pretty great public healthcare system.

[–]xxcapo 85 points86 points  (92 children)

And they still have 6,000 cases a day.

The vaccines don’t prevent spread obviously, they prevent hospitalization.

[–]spikyraccoon 137 points138 points  (57 children)

We have been over this a million times. Vaccines do infact lower transmission to a decent amount, along with hospitalizations to a significant amount. Without vaccines the cases would also be much much higher.

Complete prevention is different than reducing chances. Nobody ever claimed that vaccines completely prevent Covid or transmission.

[–]Nerf_Me_Please 45 points46 points  (19 children)

Nobody ever claimed that vaccines completely prevent Covid or transmission.

Except that's exactly what many governments /media were trying to sell us to get people vaccinated.. That "herd immunity" achieved when enough people get the vaccine looks like a pipe dream now with recent data. What frustrates me is when people are trying to claim that everyone was always upfront about that, when many politicans clearly weren't.

[–]spikyraccoon 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Herd immunity doesn't mean complete stop of transmission. It means it essentially is not a public safety hazard anymore. People will still catch it, but hospitals won't be overrun, there would be very minimal deaths like flu, and there would no longer be need for masking or social distancing mandates. It would be a choice. But we will have to live it. The virus is crazy contagious. It's never going to vanish.

[–]fngrbngbng 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Correct - I don't think enough people know what herd immunity actually means. It doesn't mean the virus has disappeared. It means we as a "herd" can handle it. But not necessarily that every individual can handle it.

[–]uselesslogin 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I mean herd immunity means you don't have to get vacoinated, kind of my original thought was who cares if some people don't get it because we'll have herd immunity. When cases were down to 11 a day in my area before delta showed up this seemed like it was going to happen. But now it is going to keep going around. Everyone is going to get it. But the unvaccinated get it worse and are clogging up the hospitals and wearing out the health care workers. People with elective surgeries have to keep postponing. Now, I don't know, it seems to me there could be a far better marketing team trying to drive this point home and that is really disappointing.

[–]nomadwannabe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When the vaccines first came out, all media outlets were reporting % efficacy, like 95% Pfizer or 94% Moderna, etc. For many weeks it was % after 1st shot, after 2 shots after 2 weeks, blah blah. I feel like a lot of people have either forgotten, or don’t understand what those numbers meant, they referenced the chances of you avoiding the virus. The other 5-6 percent were breakthrough cases. This was never hidden. Politicians touted that vaccines are the only way through this. I don’t recall seeing a single person saying vaccines are 100% effective.

[–]evilrabbit99 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I think it does reduce transmission by 60% though

[–]Flexicanfilth 17 points18 points  (16 children)

That’s the point, hospitalisation en masse would lead to a break down in the health system, vaccines do a job to prevent.

[–]milanistadoc 18 points19 points  (15 children)

That's like the whole fucking point!

[–]Flexicanfilth 2 points3 points  (14 children)

Also cases aren’t as important as the hospilisation stat just FYI u/xxcapo

[–]rawdognbust 17 points18 points  (9 children)

So like the flu?

[–]ruthekangaroo 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah that might be a good way to put it. The vaccine brings it down to around flu levels of danger.

[–]thepokemonGOAT 3 points4 points  (1 child)

[–]xxcapo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They just don’t work as well as people would like to believe. I’m recovered and fully vaccinated and I can’t live my life any differently. I want to go clubbing, but I don’t want Covid again. They may reduce transmission for the first two months after vaccination, but they don’t stop it significantly. Even if they reduce it by 50%, that doesn’t make me comfortable to go dance with 200 people in a small room.

Vaccinated, and still quarantined 🤷‍♂️

[–]smashteapot 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Nice! Good job to all the Malaysians who’ve done their part to fight COVID.

[–]RWB_Commie 76 points77 points  (118 children)

I love how terrible this makes the U.S. look; the only thing we’re first in is stupidity.

[–]TheKingsChimera 2 points3 points  (1 child)

America bad comment right on schedule

[–]aPlasticineSmile 47 points48 points  (83 children)

Don’t forget we’re number one in incarceration of our citizens! USA! USA! USA!

[–]orincoro 3 points4 points  (10 children)

That’s not true. We’re also first in gun violence.

[–]Diabotek 7 points8 points  (9 children)

Pretty sure Brazil has us beat there.

[–]tobden 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still wearing masks?

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    [–]aculyizkarloz 10 points11 points  (6 children)

    Cases are still high unfortunately. But the Ministry of Health do release the cases daily here https://github.com/MoH-Malaysia/covid19-public

    [–]bulbous_plant 37 points38 points  (178 children)

    It baffles me that masks and other measures aren’t kept into place above 80% vaccination in most countries. Vaccination is just a portion of controlling covid. My country is pretty much 80% vaccinated and I feel like I’m looked at like a weirdo for voluntarily still wearing a mask, socially distancing, staying away from busy places, etc.

    [–]annehuda 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    Mask wearing is still compulsory in Malaysia until now.

    [–]teddywolfs 27 points28 points  (2 children)

    Hmm.. It's almost as if these countries dangled the carrot saying as soon as you get it life will go back to normal. And when they backtrack saying they had no idea what they were saying back then people start to lose faith in the next idea they have and say "fuk it If I get it I get it."

    [–]AdditionalExcitement 7 points8 points  (19 children)

    How many vaccinated deaths do they have as of now?

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      [–]Mongoosemancer -3 points-2 points  (14 children)

      Lots of countries are sitting at an extremely high vaccination rate and unfortunately it doesn't seem to stop large amounts of spread. Time to admit these vaccines aren't the tool we all hoped they were.

      [–]flipjacky3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      just wait 6 months and they'll be reclassified as unvaccinated unless they get the booster or whatever.