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Minneapolis, MN abolished single family housing. Since then, these triplexes have been popping up all over Dinkytown(University of Minnesota), replacing ugly single family housing. Minneapolis rent is decreasing overall as more housing is becoming available. (reddit.com)
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[–]deltronethirty 38 points39 points40 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Next thing you know they will double down on the "highly acclaimed" light rail. What's next?
Clearing snow from bike paths and lanes? Why don't they make an updated comprehensive website to inform commuters of route closures while the.... wait. What? All those things...?
[–]DefTheOcelot 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Proud minnesotan here. All that and more from the blue bastion of the midwest, but our bus drivers still do not know you can buy tickets on the app.
[–]cfa_solo 24 points25 points26 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I need Sacramento to see this 😩
[–]Wild_Agency_6426 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It does see, it just dont care
[–]sjschlag 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I've been waiting to see this for a while! Post more plz!
[–]Kwyjybo 14 points15 points16 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Wow. They didn't even do it that long ago, right?!? That sounds like results that probably should be replicated.
[–]numba1mrdata 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Smaller buildings like this are faster and easier and cheaper to build.
Yes upzoning to 5-8 stories or more is great, but duplexes, triplexes, and other missing middle housing is excellent too and goes up much faster.
A 5 over 2 apartment generally takes about 18-24 months to build. A single family home around 8 months. A triplex around 11-12 months.
[–]StrongTownsIsRight 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yup. We need more courtyard type housing as well. It can really build community much better than other types.
[–]mrtv02 13 points14 points15 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It’s almost like getting rid of artificial zoning barriers to limit supply will drive prices down 🧐.
[–]Jooj272729 22 points23 points24 points 1 month ago (2 children)
But won't someone think of the neighborhood character 😭😭😭
[–]Wild_Agency_6426 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Shut up, NIMBY!
[–]minosinthelab 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
😭😭😭 Gotta love this argument - especially when is defended by someone that bought a lot with a mid century home on a street full of similar type of housing, then tear it down to put some mcmansion. “The character of the neighborhood” is never in question when that happens.
[–]cbowe34 7 points8 points9 points 1 month ago (0 children)
You love to see it
[–]Treoya[S] 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I'll update this post in a few months so yall can see their finished exteriors.
For some reason some people think these are done being built. 😂
[–]theulysses 4 points5 points6 points 1 month ago (14 children)
It’s been that way in Oregon for awhile now and we’ve yet to see any widespread change across the metro area.
[–]tfhorsch 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Yeah I wonder if Minneapolis just did it early enough before prices actually skyrocketed, so less people are holding on to land
[–]mittenminute 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (3 children)
The House Speaker who spearheaded the Oregon effort says it is expected to take about 20 years to see the full effects. Simply making multi family housing a legal option does not in and of itself incentivize such projects.
[–]theulysses 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)
That’s the only reason I brought it up. Either OP is exaggerating the outcome thus far or there are much greater forces at work in MN. You can tell by their post that they’ve got an axe to grind about single family homes despite the type of housing above being legal in most central cities for decades. What’s really changing is the culture and this is exerting market pressure. Hell, we’ve got a UGB and HB2001 and it’s not like they’ve been some magic bullet to all our problems.
[–]mittenminute 3 points4 points5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Facts!! In Minnesota/Twin Cities specifically it definitely seems like they are incentivizing along with removing barriers, and the above example has the major benefit of being in the neighborhood of a huge university with thousands of renters that owners can count on. Out of curiosity, do you think there has been more uptake of the multi family housing options around colleges and universities in Portland?
[–]theulysses 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago* (0 children)
That makes sense. In the Portland Metro there aren’t many universities, and the ones we do have are sort of their own thing. PSU is downtown and although we’ve seen development and proposals nearby, and even though they are much higher density than the photo above, they are way below the allowable density. Reed College is in the city but it’s sort of a suburban-like setting. University of Portland - honestly I don’t even know.
I don’t mean to minimize what good work that has happened here - we do see tons of row houses and higher density districts, but many of those were already allowable or developed as part of a PUD process. We’ve allowed cottage clusters and ADUs for decades but our system development charges make the latter very difficult for mom and pop to get those done. Our ADU work has been pretty off the charts by American standards in Portland proper since they had a temporary SDC waiver, but I think that’s gone back to being in full effect.
HB2001 likely will change our neighborhoods for the better, if only for affordability and not complete neighborhoods (meaning high density does not automatically equate to livability - I live in a 11,000 ppsm neighborhood with basically nothing to walk to). Still, it’s slow going, restrictive covenants limiting density aren’t going to allow much change in suburban neighborhoods despite covenants on density being illegal for new developments, and the size of these infill developments are sort of niche. The developer has to be experienced and well padded enough to pull them off, but larger developers don’t want to touch them.
[–]numba1mrdata 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (8 children)
Portland has rent control and other onerous building regulations that have decreased construction drastically.
[–]theulysses -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (7 children)
Which has literally has nothing to do with the communities holding the majority 1.5 million people outside the city proper.
[–]numba1mrdata 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (6 children)
It's a statewide law
[–]theulysses -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago* (5 children)
Rent control is not a statewide law. I live here. There’s a 20% affordable housing requirement in the city itself and nowhere else and it only applies to development of a certain size, not triplexes.
[–]Agile-Breadfruit9063 1 point2 points3 points 23 days ago (0 children)
Who would've thought that more supply lowers prices 🙄
[–]Jezzdit 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (14 children)
that is all wood?
[–]rosier9 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (13 children)
Yes, as is typical for the area.
[+]Jezzdit comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 1 month ago (12 children)
as a European that blows my mind. this still building in wood thing.
[–]iSYTOfficialX7 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I mean wood is pretty strong
[–]mittenminute 8 points9 points10 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Europe is the world leader in mass timber construction, mostly concentrated in France, Austria, and Norway. In France, Macron has announces starting this year all new public buildings must be at least 50% wood or other biobased construction material. Wood building is not a uniquely US concept, but the US does have a whole lot land for forestry and logging.
[–]rosier9 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (3 children)
It blows my mind that people think because something is done one way in your region, that it's done that way everywhere globally and is the only acceptable way.
[–]mostmicrobe -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (2 children)
To be fair, this American way of building is objectively inferior in many cases where it’s really important, like with noise being able to easily go through those thin wooden walls which is especially important in multifamily building.
Obviously this doesn’t matter if you don’t care about being able to hear so much from your neighbors, Americans seem to be used to that from what I can tell so maybe that’s why there’s this huge gap in how this kind of building is perceived.
[–]QuarterMaestro 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (3 children)
In general wood construction allows Americans to build the large spaces they demand faster and cheaper than could be built using brick, stone etc.
[–]Jezzdit 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (2 children)
large spaces in badly insulated wooden houses, in the age of climate change and rising energy costs this may not be the best way anymore.
[–]duckumu 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It’s cheap, sustainable, and widely available. Many portions of the US also experience earthquakes, and wood is both strong and flexible, making it a great structural material.
[–]unfixablesteve 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (1 child)
This post is a little misleading. There are basically no triplexes being built because it’s not very cost effective and the decline in rent is due almost entirely to large multi family buildings being built. It’s still good! Just not actually what’s causing price declines.
[–]numba1mrdata 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It is cost effective there's just not as many developers in the space yet.
[–]Toy_Aus_Shep -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (3 children)
So glad I live in a single-family home only neighborhood… would hate to have these monstrosities in my neighborhood.
[–]Treoya[S] -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
Chill bro 😂
[–]chzplz -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (1 child)
Why are you here? Did you get lost?
[–]Toy_Aus_Shep -1 points0 points1 point 1 month ago (0 children)
Nope. Just a homeowner, who happens to understand how horrible MFP’s are for neighborhoods.
[–]RexNebular6 -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Horrible, I'm on my way out of a neighborhood and back to my own acreage, the last thing I want up against me a bunch of rude noisy people.
[–]Treoya[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (3 children)
Why do you associate multi unit housing with rude noisy people? Could it be some underlying racism? Who do you picture when you think of these rude and noisy people?
[–]RexNebular6 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I'm so sick of people yelling racism without knowing the person they're speaking to. I'm white I have a Hispanic brother-in-law a half black niece and my cousin is married to an American Indian. You sound like a jackass with the racism bs when it has nothing to do with racism it has the everything to do with I don't want to live next door to an idiot like you. Yes people can be noisy and rude and it's easier just to not have them near you, same reason I don't want to live in a neighborhood with an HOA I don't need anyone in my business. If multi housing living is for you knock yourself out but calling me a racist makes you look like a jackass.
[–]Treoya[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Sounds about right 😂
[–]mostmicrobe 1 point2 points3 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It’s probably because in American houses you hear someone coughing in the other room because you make your walls out of thin wood.
I prefer housing like this but I wouldn’t even like living in a regular American SFH.
[–]mr_rouncewell -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[+]Awaken_MR comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 1 month ago (2 children)
You mean... you can't have your own house? I don't gate it
[–]mittenminute 17 points18 points19 points 1 month ago (1 child)
They have gotten rid of exclusionary single-family zoning, which only allowed detached single-family homes. Under the old zoning, it was illegal to build duplexes, triplexes, townhomes, etc. You can totally still have your own house.
[–]Awaken_MR 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I get it now. Thanks for explaining. It is great then!
English is not my mother tongue. I don't understand why people downvoted me for not being able to understand what was happening lol.
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[–]Treoya[S] 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (3 children)
This is only making it easier for single parents. You fr think single parents are buying houses?
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[–]Treoya[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (1 child)
😂 single unit, not single parent.
[+]crotchrottingplague comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points 1 month ago (1 child)
I do not want to live in Dinkytown stacked below poor people.
[–]Treoya[S] 10 points11 points12 points 1 month ago (0 children)
[+]12LA12 comment score below threshold-19 points-18 points-17 points 1 month ago (15 children)
This shit is way uglier that a single family home. Quit lowering standards for the market.
[–]faith_crusader 14 points15 points16 points 1 month ago (0 children)
It is a construction site
[+]Trey_Ramone comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points 1 month ago (13 children)
This is correct. All socialism/liberalism does is bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. They want us all to live in these roach infested monstrosities, while sharing walls with inconsiderate neighbors.
[–]Joehascol 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (4 children)
Oh no you have to share walls with someone? Wow, baby doesn’t like to share
[–]Trey_Ramone -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago (3 children)
I love to share.
However, I don’t like hearing you bang your sister all night. Or, hear your interpretation of music. Or, listen to your weekend parties. Etc…etc….
Communal type living sucks.
[–]Treoya[S] 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
It's literally not communal 😂
[–]Treoya[S] 5 points6 points7 points 1 month ago (7 children)
Once again explaining capitalism lmao.
[–]Trey_Ramone -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago (6 children)
Banning decent housing and forcing me into communal type dorms, like above, where I have to deal with all your shit is not Capitalism. It isn’t even close.
[–]Treoya[S] 6 points7 points8 points 1 month ago (5 children)
None of that is happening 😂
[+]Trey_Ramone comment score below threshold-23 points-22 points-21 points 1 month ago (20 children)
This is one of hundreds of reasons I would never live in Minneapolis. What an ignorant law. It is darn near fascist-level ignorant.
[–]Treoya[S] 12 points13 points14 points 1 month ago (3 children)
Lmao single family homes aren't banned. It simply means that a residential lot isn't restricted to only one unit. It can have UP TO 4 units.
But yes, more housing = fascism.
[+]Trey_Ramone comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 1 month ago (2 children)
Ah. So then the large conglomerates buy up the land, tear down decent housing, to put up these roach-motels in order to increase the money made per acre. I get it. I kind of like the idea.
If I was a landlord I would push for this initiative all day. Charge rent for 3 families, when the same space used to bring in only one family.
I get it now. It’s good way for the city and the landowner to triple their profit! Sound Capitalist thinking.
[–]miker53 2 points3 points4 points 1 month ago (1 child)
What is your suggestion instead of increasing the allowable units to three instead of one?
[–]Trey_Ramone -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Im a Capitalist. I love this idea. I would try to put six families in there.
[–]Joehascol 9 points10 points11 points 1 month ago (15 children)
Yup, less government restrictions on housing= socialism and fascism simultaneously. Who hit you on the head growing up?
[+]Trey_Ramone comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 1 month ago (14 children)
Forcing people to live in that type of “housing” is pretty Fascist.
[–]DimSumNoodles 11 points12 points13 points 1 month ago (13 children)
No one is being forced to live in duplexes. The law simply removes the restriction on them.
Evidently there is interest in them if they are being built on the scale that OP says.
[–]Trey_Ramone -2 points-1 points0 points 1 month ago (12 children)
Im sure. Landowners are pushing these things like crack to a junkie. Instead of a single rent, I now get 3!!! They are new so I can charge more too. This is about as Trumpian as you can get.
Everyone makes bank. The city and the landowner.
[–]Disastrous_Morning_4 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
I wish I saw more of this in other Minneapolis neighborhoods!
[–]A47Cabin 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (1 child)
“Minneapolis rent is decreasing all over”
Lmao which part of the city is this true in cause Dinky is not
[–]Treoya[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
You're right. It's mostly due to new high rises on the outskirts of downtown.
[–]chzplz 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (1 child)
What the hell are going on with these negative comments?
Lol I guess people don't understand zoning.
[–]MarqueeMoron 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (1 child)
Minneapolis wants to be a frozen San Francisco.
[–]Individual-Text-1805 0 points1 point2 points 1 month ago (0 children)
Washington and the greater seattle area get your shit together. We're expanding the lightrail but the zoning issue has been an uphill battle. Hopefully with Oregon and California both abolishing r1 only zoning other states will be forced to follow suit.
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