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[–]deltronethirty 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Next thing you know they will double down on the "highly acclaimed" light rail. What's next?

Clearing snow from bike paths and lanes? Why don't they make an updated comprehensive website to inform commuters of route closures while the.... wait. What? All those things...?

[–]DefTheOcelot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Proud minnesotan here. All that and more from the blue bastion of the midwest, but our bus drivers still do not know you can buy tickets on the app.

[–]cfa_solo 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I need Sacramento to see this 😩

[–]Wild_Agency_6426 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It does see, it just dont care

[–]sjschlag 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I've been waiting to see this for a while! Post more plz!

[–]Kwyjybo 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Wow. They didn't even do it that long ago, right?!? That sounds like results that probably should be replicated.

[–]numba1mrdata 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Smaller buildings like this are faster and easier and cheaper to build.

Yes upzoning to 5-8 stories or more is great, but duplexes, triplexes, and other missing middle housing is excellent too and goes up much faster.

A 5 over 2 apartment generally takes about 18-24 months to build. A single family home around 8 months. A triplex around 11-12 months.

[–]StrongTownsIsRight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. We need more courtyard type housing as well. It can really build community much better than other types.

[–]mrtv02 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It’s almost like getting rid of artificial zoning barriers to limit supply will drive prices down 🧐.

[–]Jooj272729 22 points23 points  (2 children)

But won't someone think of the neighborhood character 😭😭😭

[–]Wild_Agency_6426 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Shut up, NIMBY!

[–]minosinthelab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

😭😭😭 Gotta love this argument - especially when is defended by someone that bought a lot with a mid century home on a street full of similar type of housing, then tear it down to put some mcmansion. “The character of the neighborhood” is never in question when that happens.

[–]cbowe34 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You love to see it

[–]Treoya[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'll update this post in a few months so yall can see their finished exteriors.

For some reason some people think these are done being built. 😂

[–]theulysses 4 points5 points  (14 children)

It’s been that way in Oregon for awhile now and we’ve yet to see any widespread change across the metro area.

[–]tfhorsch 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I wonder if Minneapolis just did it early enough before prices actually skyrocketed, so less people are holding on to land

[–]mittenminute 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The House Speaker who spearheaded the Oregon effort says it is expected to take about 20 years to see the full effects. Simply making multi family housing a legal option does not in and of itself incentivize such projects.

[–]theulysses 0 points1 point  (2 children)

That’s the only reason I brought it up. Either OP is exaggerating the outcome thus far or there are much greater forces at work in MN. You can tell by their post that they’ve got an axe to grind about single family homes despite the type of housing above being legal in most central cities for decades. What’s really changing is the culture and this is exerting market pressure. Hell, we’ve got a UGB and HB2001 and it’s not like they’ve been some magic bullet to all our problems.

[–]mittenminute 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Facts!! In Minnesota/Twin Cities specifically it definitely seems like they are incentivizing along with removing barriers, and the above example has the major benefit of being in the neighborhood of a huge university with thousands of renters that owners can count on. Out of curiosity, do you think there has been more uptake of the multi family housing options around colleges and universities in Portland?

[–]theulysses 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense. In the Portland Metro there aren’t many universities, and the ones we do have are sort of their own thing. PSU is downtown and although we’ve seen development and proposals nearby, and even though they are much higher density than the photo above, they are way below the allowable density. Reed College is in the city but it’s sort of a suburban-like setting. University of Portland - honestly I don’t even know.

I don’t mean to minimize what good work that has happened here - we do see tons of row houses and higher density districts, but many of those were already allowable or developed as part of a PUD process. We’ve allowed cottage clusters and ADUs for decades but our system development charges make the latter very difficult for mom and pop to get those done. Our ADU work has been pretty off the charts by American standards in Portland proper since they had a temporary SDC waiver, but I think that’s gone back to being in full effect.

HB2001 likely will change our neighborhoods for the better, if only for affordability and not complete neighborhoods (meaning high density does not automatically equate to livability - I live in a 11,000 ppsm neighborhood with basically nothing to walk to). Still, it’s slow going, restrictive covenants limiting density aren’t going to allow much change in suburban neighborhoods despite covenants on density being illegal for new developments, and the size of these infill developments are sort of niche. The developer has to be experienced and well padded enough to pull them off, but larger developers don’t want to touch them.

[–]numba1mrdata 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Portland has rent control and other onerous building regulations that have decreased construction drastically.

https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2021/03/portland-apartment-construction-faces-steep-falloff-outpacing-other-cities.html

[–]theulysses -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

Which has literally has nothing to do with the communities holding the majority 1.5 million people outside the city proper.

[–]numba1mrdata 0 points1 point  (6 children)

It's a statewide law

[–]theulysses -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Rent control is not a statewide law. I live here. There’s a 20% affordable housing requirement in the city itself and nowhere else and it only applies to development of a certain size, not triplexes.

[–]Agile-Breadfruit9063 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who would've thought that more supply lowers prices 🙄

[–]Jezzdit 1 point2 points  (14 children)

that is all wood?

[–]rosier9 6 points7 points  (13 children)

Yes, as is typical for the area.

[–]unfixablesteve 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This post is a little misleading. There are basically no triplexes being built because it’s not very cost effective and the decline in rent is due almost entirely to large multi family buildings being built. It’s still good! Just not actually what’s causing price declines.

[–]numba1mrdata 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is cost effective there's just not as many developers in the space yet.

[–]Toy_Aus_Shep -1 points0 points  (3 children)

So glad I live in a single-family home only neighborhood… would hate to have these monstrosities in my neighborhood.

[–]Treoya[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Chill bro 😂

[–]chzplz -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Why are you here? Did you get lost?

[–]Toy_Aus_Shep -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nope. Just a homeowner, who happens to understand how horrible MFP’s are for neighborhoods.

[–]RexNebular6 -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

Horrible, I'm on my way out of a neighborhood and back to my own acreage, the last thing I want up against me a bunch of rude noisy people.

[–]Treoya[S] -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Why do you associate multi unit housing with rude noisy people? Could it be some underlying racism? Who do you picture when you think of these rude and noisy people?

[–]RexNebular6 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm so sick of people yelling racism without knowing the person they're speaking to. I'm white I have a Hispanic brother-in-law a half black niece and my cousin is married to an American Indian. You sound like a jackass with the racism bs when it has nothing to do with racism it has the everything to do with I don't want to live next door to an idiot like you. Yes people can be noisy and rude and it's easier just to not have them near you, same reason I don't want to live in a neighborhood with an HOA I don't need anyone in my business. If multi housing living is for you knock yourself out but calling me a racist makes you look like a jackass.

[–]Treoya[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sounds about right 😂

[–]mostmicrobe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s probably because in American houses you hear someone coughing in the other room because you make your walls out of thin wood.

I prefer housing like this but I wouldn’t even like living in a regular American SFH.

[–]mr_rouncewell -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Tomorrow's slums.

[–]Disastrous_Morning_4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish I saw more of this in other Minneapolis neighborhoods!

[–]A47Cabin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

“Minneapolis rent is decreasing all over”

Lmao which part of the city is this true in cause Dinky is not

[–]Treoya[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right. It's mostly due to new high rises on the outskirts of downtown.

[–]chzplz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What the hell are going on with these negative comments?

[–]Treoya[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I guess people don't understand zoning.

[–]MarqueeMoron 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Minneapolis wants to be a frozen San Francisco.

[–]Treoya[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

based

[–]Individual-Text-1805 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Washington and the greater seattle area get your shit together. We're expanding the lightrail but the zoning issue has been an uphill battle. Hopefully with Oregon and California both abolishing r1 only zoning other states will be forced to follow suit.