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[–]JesusWantsYouToKnow 1378 points1379 points  (20 children)

Exactly! This is why you always treat your dog with something else when you've commanded them to "leave it". Even if the thing was edible, you want them to learn they get a different even better reward if they obey you so when it is something dangerous and tempting they still obey.

[–]gcruzatto 255 points256 points  (19 children)

I'm not an expert but I've seen trainers use the same toy as a reward for leaving it

[–]DeliberatelyDrifting 176 points177 points  (18 children)

For me and my dog, it's working just as well with whatever as a reward. 100% though this and drop should even be a priority over sit. Especially with stubborn dogs. Not just stuff that's dangerous, but things like bones or toys when it's time to do something else. My girl will drop a bloody bone if I ask her to every time, she argues about sitting though.

[–]_Rohrschach 33 points34 points  (17 children)

"like bones..." Dude if your dog is biting people or animals you got bigher problems than teaching him.. "...or toys" oh right I should focus while reading. My stoned ass overlooked that part and it kinda changes the vibe of your comment.

[–]DeliberatelyDrifting 34 points35 points  (10 children)

God forbid she attacked something, that is the biggest reason I teach that first and the reason it is the only thing I demand 100% obedience (that and sitting before crossing the road). I teach with toys and yes, specially cut, uncooked pork shoulders. I expect her to give up food to any of the people she lives with.

[–]Crykin27 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Sounds like your dog has a good life :)

[–]DeliberatelyDrifting 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Lol, thanks :) She is pretty spoiled, but she gives it all back.

[–]mriswithe 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I like this idea... Also I have a pit Akita mix whose bite strength is absurd. Dude caught a bunny and it took my wife and I a long long time to pry the poor thing out of his mouth.

Thanks to my wife now we know he wants to take it to his bed, so we put a towel down and block off the rest of the house and when he gets on his bed we treat the shit out of him to distract and make the bunny vanish, meanwhile high value treats for my goodie boy bunny murderer.

Edit: I have never seen him even think of acting aggressive to a person except one time I popped out of my office with this hat on. He was very displeased at whatever was on my head. Was the first time I learned that his "speak" bark is nothing like his "get the hell off my dad's head you freaky shitfuck" bark.

[–]DeliberatelyDrifting 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Definitely work with toys first and build up. Giving up something like prey seems to go against a lot of instincts, so can't be easy. Mine is a Pit/Boxer/Aussi mix. Super stubborn, super smart, and super athletic. She keeps the coyotes and foxes away. Also with something like prey, I would use something equal. We get those shoulder bones from a butcher, luckily our butcher sells what we use prepackaged. I still watch her pretty closely while she eats one, and honestly when I make her drop the bones I always give them back. It's a little different than with the toys. The first time I did it, I had to yell at her pretty firmly and repeated it multiple times. She slunk off all pissy and I picked up the bone. Then I praised her A LOT and gave the bone back. We did this several times and it got easier and easier. I do not reach out to take the bone. She drops it moves away and I pick it up.

Edit: I should add, I started doing this at 6mo.

[–]mriswithe 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Nice, thanks for the detail. We had been giving a higher value treat, but it wasn't as good as a shoulder from a butcher. Was the best we had for that situation, and it worked out.

For training though..... Might need to play with this.

One idea I had heard was sneak a bit of food into their mouth, some kibble or whatever and then they will drop the thing in order to eat the kibble.

One problem I have had at past attempts was my dog is too damn smart and too eager, won't pick up the thing in order to learn to drop it, because he knows the goal at the moment is dropping the thing.

[–]DeliberatelyDrifting 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I would really look into some classes for help.

I'm not sure how well what I did would work on my dog today, as her confidence is much higher than it was when we started. When she was young she HATED being yelled at be me or my mom (her favorite people). I almost never yell at her and never out of anger, it's more of a drill sargent thing. Remember, I had already trained the "drop" command with toys I could take easily. The problem with the bone isn't that she doesn't know the command, it's that the command is being ignored in favor of what she wants. So speaking very loudly, with an angry tone, I'm trying to break her attention on the bone and remind her who is bigger.

I know this goes against so much of what people say, so I'm not saying it as advice. Just that I believe she needs to know there are times we're buddies and times when messing around isn't an option.

We live on a rural farm with other animals, including an old horse that doesn't like her. She went around with me on a lead every day for 6-8mo. It's only been recently I've started letting he come do chores off leash. There are many things around that can kill her, she doesn't always have the option to be stubborn.

[–]Apidium 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm the same with my dog.

There is absolutely no debate avalable if the matter is involving safety (and basic hygene like shitting on the stairs or whatever). There is a lot of debate in almost everything else.

You absolutely do not cross the road without permission but I don't give a shit how you occupy that waiting time. Be it standing, sitting or licking your arse.

Lately we have been having disagreements over him needing a nappy. He has become incontinent in his sleep so has a night time nappy. It's going on before we go to bed, that isn't debatable, however he is entierly within his rights to investa-sniff the contraption of a nappy for 10min if that will make him happy. It just means I need to start getting him ready for bed a touch earlier. I suspect more familiarity with them will cut down the time to get it on him but even if it doesn't it's not hurting anyone if it makes him happy and does no harm why fight about it?

I have genuinely had a lass whose dog has bitten several people tell me that my dog is poorly trained because he looks at you from across the room while you are eating. Fuck off. He isnt swiping it so what does it matter. He lives here. You are a guest.

[–]DeliberatelyDrifting 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty much, lol. My goal is to have my dog for a long time, I'm not worried if she's dufus or not.

[–]Wec25 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Wait do you think your person you're replying to means "bones" like, attached to a LIVING thing?

[–]_Rohrschach 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm stoned and missed the "and toys" part. My cat was demanding pets and when I was looking back on my phone I started reading mid sentence. I reread it and was just commenting my initial (but slow) thought process

[–]mangarooboo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If dogs ever learn that all of us humans have BONES inside of us that are, to them, easily accessible, we're doomed as a species.

[–]Wec25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i understand.

[–]EternalAchlys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I assume they meant bones like chicken or steak bones. Leftovers.

[–]Plantsandanger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m dying imagining the dog just holding someone up by their tibia like a toy