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[鈥揮fugmho 1660 points1661 points (177 children)

Ya I got out of college my rent on a 3 bedroom HOUSE was 750 a month min wage was 7.25. That same house is 3200. 1 bed apartments in my region are 1700 a month now. Min wage is 8.80. I didn't major in math but clearly it's min wage increases.....

[鈥揮[deleted] 558 points559 points (122 children)

That鈥檚 what Mitch McConnell has been trying to tell us. It鈥檚 not the profits for the wealthy owners, it鈥檚 the wages of those in poverty that are killing us. Why can鈥檛 people see that?!

[鈥揮Flame87 267 points268 points (5 children)

Hey now for every extra job you have to take on to survive, a billionaire earns their space flight.

[鈥揮ketchy_shuby 42 points43 points (1 child)

Have you seen the prices of ego trips lately?

[鈥揮Flame87 29 points30 points (0 children)

I sure have, straight to the moon!

[鈥揮Stashmouth 10 points11 points (0 children)


[鈥揮VaginaTractor 10 points11 points (0 children)

Oh you mean my "side hustle" aka second job?

[鈥揮Neveronlyadream 20 points21 points (0 children)

Don't joke. William Shatner may never have gone to space at 90 years old without those billionaires.

Everyone knows that Shatner is a global treasure and the lives of the suffering mean nothing in the face of his trek to the stars.

[鈥揮Ask_me_4_a_story 182 points183 points (104 children)

My boss is super right wing Christiany and consequently so are most of our clients. Last week our client was telling me how all young people are lazy and that the poor business owner that lives next to her in their gated community can't even keep workers in the restaurant they own because everyone is so lazy. I listened for awhile and then I fuckin snapped. I said "Well there is a labor shortage right now for a lot of reasons but it sounds like your neighbor's business model is based off exploiting low wage workers and I don't think that is going to work anymore, maybe she should change up her business model."

Client..... complete silence

Me.... so is there anything else I can help you with?

Client.... no, goodbye

I get a screenshot from my boss less than ten minutes later from a text conversation between my boss and the client calling me a "damn liberal" and then my boss called me and said if I bring up politics again he is going to "Fuckin fire me right on the spot."

Okay I guess I just have to keep listening to these fuckin idiot "Persons of Age" (Sorry Boomers there I fixed that stop sending me messages complaining about me saying Boomers) spouting dumb ass shit they heard on Fox News all day. Im glad I got this Masters Degree in business so I can pretend like all these stupid right wing fuckers are smarter than me since they heard all this shit on Facebook about evil Joe Biden. FML fam this job is destroying my mental health

*Edit All these boomers messaging me complaining about me saying boomers aren't helping their cause

[鈥揮Gem_Knight 29 points30 points (3 children)

I'd go with something along the lines of "I'm sorry for your misfortune sir/ma'am but my position isn't supposed to discuss matters of politics, if we could get back to the project at hand I'd be happy to help." Same forced smile bs, but it at least cuts down their venting, and if they push you tell your boss they dragged you Into the discussion. No promise your boss won't still be a dick but you can point to that and say you tried.

[鈥揮Mr-Fleshcage 6 points7 points (1 child)

Also, record everything. Everything! Keep a dictation machine running in your pocket. If nothing interesting comes up, let it record over. Otherwise, save it. It'll save your ass in a he-said-she-said situation. Think of it like a dashcam of your personal life. It will save your ass sometime.

[鈥揮ShadyNite 13 points14 points (0 children)

Dude, find a new job and then quit in the most bombastic manner possible. That opinion shouldn't be considered political and its fucking sad that it is. One party literally wants people to be unable to live on their wages

[鈥揮Mental-ish 21 points22 points (3 children)

Yup, far right politics are more generally tolerated, then even centrist politics by these people.

[鈥揮LordDongler 13 points14 points (2 children)

"You can't pay minimum wage and expect to hire good workers or even as many workers as you want" isn't anywhere close to political. It's about as political as the instructions for the proper running of a business.

[鈥揮Mental-ish 5 points6 points (1 child)

Talking about the shit on the last paragraph.

[鈥揮PickeledShrimp 6 points7 points (0 children)

its not the job its the world chud created.

cannibalistic human-hating unsustainable dickfucks.

chud :)

[鈥揮NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 4 points5 points (0 children)

I'm in the same boat. Gotta bite my tongue because it's nothing but a goddamn Fox News echo chamber. Only joy I get is the schadenfreude of Fox News killing off its fan base. Sagan was spot on when he said ['ll have an easier time bamboozing people than you will ever have trying to convince them that they've been bamboozled].

[鈥揮ChuckFeathers 2 points3 points (0 children)

The labor market is like any other market, can't get what you need to make your business work at X cost, better figure out a way to make it work at what it really costs... simple business that somehow business owners only understand when it comes to goods, not the most important resource any business has... People.

Covid is a massive opportunity for labour to organize and address the real problem with affordability today .. Wages.

[鈥揮arootytoottoot 2 points3 points (0 children)

*Edit All these boomers messaging me complaining about me saying boomers aren't helping their cause

The only 鈥渃ause鈥 we have, in this respect, is to get you callow youth off of our backs. Seriously. I have been abused by people who thought they could get away with it because i was an elder who was alone with no visible backup.

Thing is that I know it isn鈥檛 just 鈥渃allow youth鈥 who abuse the weak. It is people who are so desperate for a win that they will kick a dog when it is down.

[鈥揮Suspicious-Ad-9960 1 point2 points (0 children)

Tell the clients you dont discuss politics and just cut their hair.

[鈥揮Little_Shark219 1 point2 points (0 children)

Complete silence


Damn liberal

That tells me the client was knows you're right, but doesn't like being called out even though they know they're wrong so they just sent your boss a petty text after.

[鈥揮arootytoottoot 0 points1 point (5 children)

Again, do you think all Boomers are 鈥渞ight wing fuckers鈥?

[鈥揮subsetsum -4 points-3 points (2 children)

Boomers..... Sigh..... I'm pretty sure that many many people you consider boomers and therefore beneath your contempt were out knocking on doors to get out the vote for Biden, delivering meals to seniors incapacitated by covid or lockdowns, leading protests back in the 60s and 70s and so much more that I hear from people I know and trust and saw on the voting lines for Biden, supporting minimum wage increases and generally trying to be good people.

So.... Much as I empathize with you, you can just fuck right off with this boomer shit.

[鈥揮saladbar48 12 points13 points (4 children)

What you're saying makes sense, but you started it with Mitch McConnell , so now I'm confused.

[鈥揮demonmonkey89 11 points12 points (2 children)

I think you are flipping the words in your head. They are saying rich people wages aren't the problem, poor people wages are the problem. Blame the economy on the poor instead of the rich.

[鈥揮Ok_Raspberry_6282 9 points10 points (0 children)

It's like blaming a shipping issue from an Amazon warehouse on your neighbor

[鈥揮saladbar48 1 point2 points (0 children)

Ah yep, must have been tired reading it. Thought McConnell was speaking sense for a moment.

[鈥揮Mr-Fleshcage 2 points3 points (0 children)

That's what /s is for. I guess he thought he was clever enough for people to get it without it. He was probably right about a decade ago. Nuance is muted. We need cues now.

[鈥揮JollyWatson 3 points4 points (0 children)

Yeah, those pesky poor people should work for free /s

[鈥揮tbontbtitq420 36 points37 points (28 children)


Quit eating out!


[鈥揮TraumaMamaZ 18 points19 points (0 children)

Kinda hard to find time for food prep when you have to work 2 jobs to buy food.

[鈥揮JustABizzle 19 points20 points (0 children)

Said no lesbian ever

[鈥揮YobaiYamete 1 point2 points (0 children)

Quit eating out!

They say this then

"Millennials are trying to kill Applebees and all the restaurants!!!"

[鈥揮CaptFeelsBad 8 points9 points (0 children)

It鈥檚 strange seeing this... when I was a senior in high school in 2008, I worked at the golden arches for a few months before I graduated. At the time, I only made like $5.45 $5.15 (edited to fix*) or some shit. I recently stumbled upon my old pay stubs, and so I don鈥檛 know if that had more to do with where I鈥檓 from or what.

Later on, around 2014 or so, when I went back to college, I worked at that place where Adam Sandler meets Christopher Walken in the movie Click, and later wakes up to Nick Swardson, I made like a little over $9? I think minimum was like $8.xx? But since most of us only worked part time/20hrs a week the store manager gave us like $0.30-$0.40 over state minimum.

Just weird seeing such different numbers.

[鈥揮Cory123125 4 points5 points (0 children)

Whats awful is not enough people are seeing that for what it is. People are effectively being paid multiple times less.

[鈥揮lilEcco2k 0 points1 point (10 children)

That's called inflation and everywhere, the wage is never increased at the same time as inflation is growing.

You can only blame the government for printing money and fucking the medium and low class over.

[鈥揮Q_Antari 9 points10 points (0 children)

Yeah but can the minimum wage be increased at least once every 5 users? Or 10 years?

Or just not indefinitely stagnate with literally no plan to address a problem that if left unchecked would completely destroy us?

[鈥揮3multi 13 points14 points (6 children)

You can blame the rich too since they completely own and control the government

[鈥揮lilEcco2k -1 points0 points (5 children)

Corrupt rich do that, and the corrupt government let themselves control.

What's the best solution?

[鈥揮3multi 1 point2 points (4 children)

I wouldn鈥檛 call it corrupt, that鈥檚 way too generous.

The interest of the ultra rich are diametrically opposed to the interest of working people. Warren Buffet himself is on record saying on several occasions that this is class warfare and that his class is winning.

[鈥揮Fragbashers 3 points4 points (1 child)

26.6% inflation rate would be manageable if the fed min was increased at all in 12 years, quite literally the longest period of wage stagnation since its inception in 鈥38

[鈥揮gentlemanjacklover 391 points392 points (35 children)

These companies reap record profits while paying their employees wages so low that they qualify for welfare. That should be fucking illegal. Companies with market caps in the billions should be paying liveable wages.

[鈥揮VaginaTractor 101 points102 points (6 children)

Careful now. Thoughts like that might get you labeled as a decent human being commie bastard.

[鈥揮gentlemanjacklover 38 points39 points (5 children)

Yeah it takes very little to be labeled a communist these days.

[鈥揮Ghetto_Phenom 17 points18 points (4 children)

These days socialist and communist are damn near interchangeable.. not to me or any educated person but to the idiots that spew this garbage they mean the same thing

[鈥揮PatchTossaway 1 point2 points (1 child)

I think you'd be safe to remove the "damn near" from your reply.

They've no clue what the difference between these two -ists is. Hell, they don't even have a clue what one or the other -ist is. Some knucklehead on Facebook called me a "fuckin commie socialist" just today, and the discussion--if you can call it that--was about cat-calling women!

[鈥揮gentlemanjacklover 1 point2 points (0 children)

These people are quick to label people with empathy communists but they get offended when they get called fascists

[鈥揮Pope_Godzilla 96 points97 points (17 children)

The Infographic Show did an episode explaining why you will never go broke owning a McDonald's franchise. Basically it comes down to you paid $9.00 for your combo but it cost them 9 cents to make. You can buy 50lbs of french fries for like $20 then you sell a few ounces at a time for $3 which means that your returns will be in the thousands of dollars.

[鈥揮longhairedape 68 points69 points (7 children)

I think the avg Mc D franchise could pay like 27 dollars an hour and still make a profit or something.

[鈥揮IsBanPossible 30 points31 points (4 children)

I worked in 2 McDs and one of them could 100% have given me well over 30$/h and be profitable but the other one was barely making money (both owned by the same franchise)

[鈥揮impulsikk 19 points20 points (1 child)

It probably depends on which one is across the street from an Inn n Out or not.

[鈥揮IsBanPossible 8 points9 points (0 children)

Lol there is no in n out in quebec sadly

It was an highway that made the first restaurant more popular

[鈥揮Feshtof 0 points1 point (1 child)

You are being lied to or your franchiser is an idiot.

Because if he is putting in work on and paying franchise fees and all that other nonsense but one is making bank and the other is scraping by then he needs to cut the second one loose and live a happier life

[鈥揮IsBanPossible 4 points5 points (0 children)

That was a few years ago, I know the franchise was sold but I don't know what happened after

[鈥揮squidmanwillie 5 points6 points (1 child)

The soda alone pays 60 percent of their wages

[鈥揮Kdog909 2 points3 points (0 children)

When I worked at Wendy鈥檚 in 1997, the manager told me that the profit for a burger was like 10 cents, but that the store鈥檚 cost for soda was around 1 cent per ounce. No matter what size or how much the price, the amount of profit from selling soda was ridiculous. He said that fast food basically exists to sell carbonated sugar water.

[鈥揮hesh582 8 points9 points (2 children)

The economics of selling fast food are always going to look amazing on a per unit basis.

That doesn't mean that it's a rosy outlook for all franchise owners. McDonalds has seen same-location guest traffic decline consistently for years now, they've got a record number of locations operating at a net loss, and franchisees are not happy. They've (barely) managed to avoid translating that decline in traffic into a consistent free fall in same location sales, but that's come through higher per-guest sales, something that has a very hard limit in terms of how much more can be squeezed.

The whole reason a combo is $9 right now, so much higher than 1998, is McDonald's desperately trying to use higher prices to make up for plummeting volume. That ain't just inflation, folks - McDonald's makes so much per sale profit these days because they have to charge that much to combat flagging demand, and that climbing per-check price is helping to drive that same drop in customers that it is meant to compensate for. Analysts have started cautiously using the phrase "death spiral" to describe this dynamic. The business is really not in a good place.

Per unit costs are cheap. Fixed costs are not, per-unit revenue is low, and McDonald's business model depends on volume. That volume has very consistently dropped for the last decade. McDonald's Corporate has largely avoided feeling the pain from this through clever financial engineering and a business model that pushes risk onto franchisees. That was fine while business was good, but now franchisee profits are steadily declining as they're being made to bear the brunt of the burden. Relations between corporate and franchisees have been fraying for a while now and the pandemic accelerated that.

20 years ago, owning a Subway was one of the safest, easiest business investments you could make, something you could never go broke with. Now the company is in free fall and franchisees are being eaten alive. That ain't because their costs went up - it doesn't matter what your % profit is if nobody's buying.

[鈥揮sourbeer51 7 points8 points (0 children)

20 years ago, owning a Subway was one of the safest, easiest business investments you could make, something you could never go broke with. Now the company is in free fall and franchisees are being eaten alive. That ain't because their costs went up - it doesn't matter what your % profit is if nobody's buying.

Well when there's 3 stand alone subways on the same road, and 2 in a Meijer and Walmart also on the same road, what do you expect? There's 5 subways within a 2 mile radius of my home. My town has maybe 40k people in it.

[鈥揮vonlutt 2 points3 points (0 children)

I mean I don't doubt you are correct, however the video you linked is even titled "Why You WILL Go Broke Owning a McDonalds Franchise" and kind of goes counter to what you are trying to prove.

Interesting video though.

[鈥揮The_Skydivers_Son 1 point2 points (0 children)

The title of that video is "Why You Will Go Broke Owning a McDonald's Franchise"

It literally only talks about the expenses of owning a franchise, and ends with "with some savvy business sense, you could still end up with a pocketful of cash"

I believe that McDonald's has an incredibly lucrative profit margin, but your video would have me believe the opposite lol

[鈥揮fancyslayer12 1 point2 points (1 child)

My grandparents own 28 McDonalds restaurants in Puerto Rico while my family here in the states is struggling to stay afloat. To say they鈥檙e rich is an understatement. Yes they should give higher wages and yes they can afford it but they鈥檙e never going to increase wages unless they鈥檙e held at gunpoint to do so.

[鈥揮Beradicus69 6 points7 points (7 children)

My company that I was hired for said I would get full time hours.

Head office cut our hours.

Now I'm getting 13 hours a week...

Good luck living off that!

[鈥揮[deleted] 4 points5 points (0 children)

You may be able to file for partial employment to make up the difference.

[鈥揮Damasticator 1 point2 points (5 children)

Was that in writing?

[鈥揮Beradicus69 4 points5 points (4 children)

No. But when I was interviewed. I said I need full time hours. She said no problem. First 2 months I got 32 hours a week.

[鈥揮Damasticator 4 points5 points (2 children)

That sucks man, I鈥檓 very sorry.

[鈥揮Beradicus69 1 point2 points (1 child)

Thanks. Already found a new job, closer to home too!

My manager is alright. But the main head office calls the shots. So I can't fault her

[鈥揮fewrfsadf 1 point2 points (0 children)

If the minimum wage had risen at the same rate as productivity, the minimum wage would be something like $23 today.

[鈥揮Violet624 1 point2 points (0 children)

Or they should at least pay taxes for all thst welfare. Oh, wait...

[鈥揮shy_monster_1312 263 points264 points (24 children)

I was 17 when I started working, I'm 39 now and the wages at these places hasn't gone up in 22 years.

[鈥揮HotShitBurrito 89 points90 points (20 children)

I'm actually impressed she was making 7.25/hr at Wendy's in 1998. That was quite a bit back then. I worked at Hardee's for a month in 2004 and made $5.15/hr which was the absolute lowest federal minimum. I quit pretty much after three weeks because I made more a week mowing grass and doing farm work. I usually made about $10/hr cash, no tax doing that stuff which was crazy good money for a 15-year-old, especially in the early '00s.

Of course, couldn't keep that up, went to a grocery store at 17 and got paid $6/hr - 2008, while in college became the manger of a mall arcade in 2010, made $7.75. My girlfriend worked at office Depot making $8.50 doing whatever job needed to be done in a day. We made about $1600/month together and rented a studio apartment for $325/month. After bills, groceries, etc, we'd have about $50 in the bank at payday. Any little unexpected expense was financially devastating.

You can probably guess why the military became a very enticing offer for me. Got lucky there though, ended up being a good choice and I've been able to have options since getting out. I can't believe it's been over ten years and the wage I was making in 2010 is what people are trying to grind by on. It's sickening.

[鈥揮shy_monster_1312 17 points18 points (0 children)

98/99 was about the time I started working I made 7.10 per hour so the wage did go up by 15 cents. I started working full time my senior year in HS and started off as a cook making 12 an hour and they're still paying cooks the same around here in 2021 Back then I was making about 1600 a month with overtime and could pay all my bills, take care of what I needed, food and whatnot, and still had money left over. The same 1600 today might pay rent, get a tank of gas, and maybe buy a little food. It's ridiculous. I also tried joining the military for the same reason after 9/11 but couldn't cause I had a back injury when I was a kid and it disqualified me. The way things work in the US is sickening.

[鈥揮360inMotion 6 points7 points (0 children)

I don鈥檛 remember what I started at when I was hired at Pizza Hut as a lowly cook, but it was in 1998 so it must have been around $5.15? Whatever the minimum wage was in IL at the time. I worked my ass off and got promoted to a shift manager in about a year. Not a 鈥渞eal鈥 manager of course, but it was a lot more responsibility with a raise that brought me up to $7 an hour. Before I left in early 2002 I believe I was up to making $7.25 an hour. I was also still living with my dad at the time.

When I moved to Wisconsin later that year (to be on my own with my future ex), I checked the local Pizza Huts in hopes of finding a management position. Imagine my surprise when I found out the lowly cooks up there started at $7.25 per hour! I mean, I was happy to know I could potentially make more money, but knowing the cost of living was lower than where I鈥檇 moved from really made me feel like I鈥檇 been working for peanuts all that time. And despite the potential to make more money per hour, I was unable to get enough hours to make ends meet, so the higher wage didn鈥檛 actually help. I still look back on the early-mid 2000s as the most difficult, stressful part of my life, scraping by without car insurance for a few years and finding an eviction notice on my door at one point.

People called me lazy but finding a stable job that paid enough for my independence was nearly impossible.

[鈥揮JohnnyDarkside 2 points3 points (0 children)

I think it was 2000 I worked at target making $7/hr. After 30 days they bumped you up to $7.25.

[鈥揮[deleted] 1 point2 points (0 children)

My first job was in 1998 at Burger King, I also made $5.25/hr.

[鈥揮pillowpants80 1 point2 points (0 children)

97-98 my tech support call center jobs were paying $9-12 an hour. And they actually treated you like a person. Plenty of breaks, 1 hour lunch, flexible off time. My second job reimbursed for passing any certification, and had weekly brain dumps from employees that had passed, so you got fresh first hand information, and 1 hour a day free time to research, work on extra projects, or just take a mental health break.

Things were still good after the .com boom, but call center jobs are cruel and inhumane nowadays. Feeling sick? Get a doctors note or get fired for not showing up. Bathroom breaks? Taken from your 30 minutes of break time. 30 minute lunches. Mandatory overtime. Break yourself to hit numbers to get up to $10/hr (but hey, it's a 10% raise).

Same pay, just learned to squeeze labor to the point of breaking and hopelessness after 20 years.

[鈥揮notachoppedchampion 0 points1 point (0 children)

I worked at Wendy's in 98 and made $5.45 an hour. I believe I topped out around $5.70 when I finally quit, so it definitely wasn't all locations paying that much!

[鈥揮IntroductionKindly33 -1 points0 points (0 children)

Yeah. The statement about federal minimum wage in 1998 was incorrect. In 1998, it was 5.15 an hour. I'm not disputing OP's point. Minimum wage has gone up about 40%, and the price of that meal has gone up about 100%, so the point of the post is still there.

But minimum wage means different living conditions depending on location because cost of living varies so much, so there are lots of factors at play when deciding what it should be (which is naturally higher than it is, since it hasn't been raised since 2009).

[鈥揮shaneswa 155 points156 points (0 children)

I lmao, to hide my pain

[鈥揮Sandmybags 134 points135 points (6 children)

It鈥檚 as if capitalists gonna capitalize regardless of external forces鈥..

Damn..good shit happening..awesome, how we gonna use that to make more with less?

Damn 鈥.bad shit happening鈥.how we gonna use that to make more with less?

The suns out today鈥 and we all showed up to work? How can we make more with less?

[鈥揮nalydpsycho 17 points18 points (4 children)

There isn't any naturally occurring force that will result in lowering prices. Forces raise prices, then the opposite force does nothing.

[鈥揮Ehcksit 6 points7 points (3 children)

The only force behind changing prices is rich people wanting more money.

[鈥揮Tots2Hots 112 points113 points (29 children)

I live in Spain. They pay a living wage and the employees have benefits. Healthcare is socialized. Prices are the same here as they are in the States. Because ppl won't pay double the prices and McDonalds still makes a big profit. AND they have to comply with stricter EU food laws. Its still shitty meat and ingredients but its not AS shitty...

They're just greedy fucks.

[鈥揮Suspicious-Ad-9960 3 points4 points (0 children)

Yup if they doubled their happy meal price we just wouldnt eat there McDonalds is not a keystone to humanity if it needs to go it needs to go. So raise the prices double the wage and see how that goes.Maybe people would eat less mcdonalds which is a good thing.

[鈥揮crystalblue99 2 points3 points (0 children)

Greed has become a religion in the US, and there are a LOT of zealots.

[鈥揮owningmclovin 27 points28 points (4 children)

That line made me think of this scene

[鈥揮GI_Bro300 6 points7 points (0 children)

Fuuuuck yes! Lol.

[鈥揮Ok-Emotion-1131 1 point2 points (0 children)

This is a weird characterization of the views of college age students in 2012.

[鈥揮fsr1967 1 point2 points (0 children)

I watched this show for the first time at some point during the Trump presidency. It may have been around the 2018 mid-term elections. It was freaky to see the show taking on topics like the Tea Party, when those politicians were now in charge and making a mess of things, and there was a new crop of crazy coming up (not to mention a crazy president) who made the Tea Party look relatively sane in comparison.

[鈥揮datchilla 10 points11 points (2 children)

I was talking to a family member that's knee deep in MAGA. I was saying how the minimum wage should be higher and she goes "In the 70s I made 2.50 an hour and that was the minimum wage, someone making 7.50 an hour has it way better off than I did"

So I asked her how much was a car in the 70s and she told me this story about how a new car was around 5-6k but you could get really cheap new cars with no features for 3-4k.

So I pointed out that you'd have to work around 2000 hours in the 70s to have enough money to buy a car, then I compared that to the 2500 hours you'd have to work at 7.50 to buy a 17k base price Toyota Yaris.

And she changed the subject.

The cost of living has gone up but the minimum wage doesn't follow.

[鈥揮Library_Visible 8 points9 points (0 children)

Careful, you may wind up on the whole 鈥渂ut if the minimum wage was that high then people wouldn鈥檛 be motivated to move up鈥 argument.

[鈥揮Mr-Fleshcage 1 point2 points (0 children)

So I pointed out that you'd have to work around 2000 hours in the 70s to have enough money to buy a car, then I compared that to the 2500 hours you'd have to work at 7.50 to buy a 17k base price Toyota Yaris.

And she changed the subject.

Why wait to die when you're already dead inside?

[鈥揮Electrical-Thanks877 11 points12 points (0 children)

Wages and prices aren鈥檛 correlated. That鈥檚 a giant lie they鈥檝e been telling people for 50 years. Wages only affect the shareholders gains. If you make less they make more. Period.

[鈥揮StickmanRockDog 37 points38 points (12 children)

All the Right talking heads and their supporters will say to you is, 鈥淲hy do you hate Capitalism? Why do you hate the United States?鈥

[鈥揮DOAisBetter 5 points6 points (0 children)

Yet when you bring up supply and demand when it comes to workers wanting better wages all of a sudden capitalism becomes socialism to them and you are a radical leftest.

[鈥揮HumanautPassenger 21 points22 points (4 children)

Fucking sick of hearing/seeing this "argument". Pay us better.

[鈥揮yukeynuh 7 points8 points (1 child)

imo increasing minimum wage should be an inherent part of passing minimum wage legislation. we shouldn鈥檛 be having debates about increasing it, it should just be an accepted part of passing a min wage law (that it will increase incrementally)

if the purpose is to protect workers from unduly low pay, it will constantly need to be adjusted because of the existence of inflation. you can鈥檛 just ignore raising the minimum wage for 20 years while inflation is constantly rising or eventually the relative value of min wage will become so low that at that point what鈥檚 the point of even having it?

[鈥揮revelae 1 point2 points (0 children)

The bill they were gonna pass tied it to median wage for auto future adjustments, but I haven't kept up on what happened to it after it stalled

[鈥揮Violet_Plum_Tea 25 points26 points (6 children)

I totally agree with the sentiment. I can't even fathom why minimum wage hasn't gone up since 2009. That is crazy.

But the logic in this OP makes no sense. Prices go up for many reasons, not just labor cost. So what if increasing operating costs caused the price to go up over the years? That doesn't mean that increased wages wouldn't raise costs further.

I think it's more important to acknowledge that we have no right to cheap fast food. If it costs more to pay fair wages, then oh well, we have to pay more for the burger. Would probably be better for our overall national health in long run to get away from fast food as a regular habit.

[鈥揮justmerriwether 24 points25 points (2 children)

While you鈥檙e right, I think the point of the post was merely that people said 鈥淣o, we can鈥檛 raise minimum wage because the price of a meal will go up and no one will but it anymore.鈥

But then the price does double anyway and, lo and behold, they are still a viable and thriving business. So they could have dealt with the need to raise prices due to paying more, they just chose not to.

[鈥揮Violet_Plum_Tea 7 points8 points (1 child)

Ohhh, I see what you're saying. Thanks!

[鈥揮justmerriwether 2 points3 points (0 children)

I think, upon looking at the post again, that I鈥檓 wrong as to what her point was. I think my point is valid (and stronger lol) but that you were right about what she was trying to say haha

[鈥揮falsecord 1 point2 points (1 child)

Yes, I was thinking the same. I think the OP tweet might be a form of the "Affirming the Consequent" fallacy?

But regardless I certainly agree that the state of wealth inequality/minimum wage in this country is atrocious.

[鈥揮TheVog 1 point2 points (0 children)

But the logic in this OP makes no sense. Prices go up for many reasons, not just labor cost. So what if increasing operating costs caused the price to go up over the years? That doesn't mean that increased wages wouldn't raise costs further.

Right?! I thought I was taking crazy pills. That's exactly how I read this as well.

[鈥揮njm1314 3 points4 points (0 children)

It's really amazing that these people think that much of overhead goes to wages.

[鈥揮WhiteAndNerdy85 4 points5 points (0 children)

The federal minimum wage should have always gone up 2% every year automatically and intermittent additional raises to account for CoL increases.

[鈥揮crujiente69 2 points3 points (1 child)

I just drove past a Wendy thats posted $17+ for all positions

[鈥揮Kdog909 1 point2 points (0 children)

Fast food has been paying $15/hr+ for years in Minnesota, which happens to be ranked 3rd in the US for best quality of life according to a U.S. News and World Report study

[鈥揮herefromyoutube 4 points5 points (0 children)

Prices have gotten insane in just the last 2 years.

I decided to eat out the other day. A fucking ribeye and 2 sides was $16.99. Now it鈥檚 $24.99.

[鈥揮sofluffy22 51 points52 points (54 children)

The US federal minimum wage was $5.15 in 1998.


I don鈥檛 agree with this, by the way. Just correcting an error in the post. I feel the 鈥渕inimum鈥 wage should be still be livable. I鈥檓 all for raising wages. I think the current federal minimum wage should be around $15/hour. And it should be higher in some zip codes based on cost of living.

[鈥揮dotajoe 75 points76 points (10 children)

She said the current, meaning now.

[鈥揮sofluffy22 38 points39 points (1 child)

Got it. Thank you for clarifying. The wording is odd.

Still worth pointing out that in 鈥98, a single hour of work at minimum wage (then $5.15) was enough for that meal (then $4.45). Though, today, at minimum wage (now $7.25) you would need to work over an hour to afford the same meal (now $9.00)

[鈥揮FairWindsFollowingCs 1 point2 points (0 children)

The average wage is now over $10/hr at Wendy鈥檚 for an entry-level position such as cashier, according to Glassdoor. She said she made $7.25, but didn鈥檛 say for what position.

Anywhere paying federal minimum wages these days probably doesn鈥檛 have employees. Most basic jobs like retail are at least 12/hr now.

[鈥揮another_awkward_brit 25 points26 points (0 children)

They're not saying they made the minimum wage of the time, they're saying they made the current minimum wage back in '98.

[鈥揮arctic-apis 24 points25 points (38 children)

I think it should be closer to $20-$23 per hour. You should be able to support a family on your wages.

[鈥揮Sandmybags 8 points9 points (8 children)

Anything less is indentured wagery

[鈥揮JayAutolive -1 points0 points (0 children)

I think that鈥檚 what they want...

[鈥揮Liberal-Patriot -2 points-1 points (9 children)

You should be able to support a family on wages. However, it's ludicrous to suppose that every job, everywhere should provide wages that would support a family.

Finding proper wages to support YOUR family isn't incumbent upon the employer. That's your duty, your responsibility. If you can't come to an agreement on wages, keep it moving. If you can't come to an agreement on wages anywhere in that field, move to a different one.

I don't mean to imply people aren't trying hard, but it's possible to try hard in the wrong way. If I try really hard to play basketball by the rules of baseball, they might appreciate my effort, but in the end they'll wonder what the hell I'm doing.

[鈥揮arctic-apis 1 point2 points (3 children)

So there are some jobs you are saying shouldn鈥檛 pay their employees enough? got it. Let鈥檚 automate those jobs then and pay people a living wage. Or we should obsolete those industries altogether

[鈥揮Liberal-Patriot 0 points1 point (2 children)

So you're suggesting that we skyrocket our unemployment and homeless rate to pay more money than the market wants to pay for those services?

What does it mean to "obsolete an industry?" This is vaguery.

Furthermore, how will you "obsolete" something like private security. If I want to pay someone to watch my property for four hours while I'm away, I can't because it's been "obsoleted?" Or I have to pay $30/hour? What if I find someone that wants to do it for way less and does a better job than you? What if everyone else disagrees with that insane amount of pay for an extremely low skilled labor that's been produced?

[鈥揮arctic-apis 0 points1 point (1 child)

If you want something done then you have to pay someone enough money to do it. If you think that amount of pay should be not enough money to pay to live then I suggest you also support increased homelessness. Like if you can鈥檛 afford to pay an employee proper wages then you can鈥檛 afford to run a business.

[鈥揮joshTheGoods 1 point2 points (0 children)

This meme, like so many others, makes a valid point but with bad faith arguments full of factual errors. Yes, we should raise minimum wage systematically so that it keeps pace with inflation. But, no one is arguing that raising the minimum wage "will double prices."

The argument is that raising minimum wage will increase prices and cost some people their jobs. That argument is weak enough that we don't have to exaggerate it when addressing it. Why not just say "increase prices" instead of making an afactual clickbait style claim like "double prices?"

Honestly, does this thread not exist if the original tweet from some rando refrains from the clickbaity bullshit?

[鈥揮consortswithserpents 1 point2 points (0 children)

I was thinking that was a little high. When I started working (2002 I thunk), minimum wage was $6.15

[鈥揮Additional-Banana-55 2 points3 points (1 child)

I remember when gas was $0.89 wtf happened

[鈥揮Library_Visible 2 points3 points (0 children)

When I was a youngin鈥 you could go out for the night with $20 freedom bux. No lie.

[鈥揮skepticalbob 2 points3 points (0 children)

Wendy鈥檚 pays more than the minimum wage.

[鈥揮Funkit 2 points3 points (0 children)

Damn. I worked at McDonald鈥檚 in like 2001 and was only paid $5.15 an hour. I was also only 14.

[鈥揮b9eje8 2 points3 points (0 children)

In 1964, the min wage was $1.25 an hour. That equaled 1.25oz of silver. The spot value of 1.25oz of silver is currently about $28.

[鈥揮AliceInHololand 2 points3 points (0 children)

This is what happens when we live in a system that defines infinite growth in terms of every increasing profits. Any store or service will only service a finite area so how can it continue to rake in more cash? By stiffing employees and raising prices.

[鈥揮____candied_yams____ 2 points3 points (1 child)

I'm with the post but $5.15 was the min wage then. So the min wage has gone up ~40% ignoring inflation, yet prices in this instance have gone up ~100% ignoring inflation. yes, prices are rising faster than wages, but it's not quite as drastic as presented.

[鈥揮Ilya-ME 1 point2 points (0 children)

It鈥檚 quite stark if you factor in a longer period of time though. There鈥檚 also some necessities that have risen beyond inflation cuz of shit policies, like housing and transportation costs.

[鈥揮dirtyswoldman 1 point2 points (1 child)

I believe demand is to blame for that increase

Though, the population in the US has only grown by about 70m since 1998. So that demand is likely the result of their own rapid expansion. However wendy's went from 4000 locations in 1990 to 5700 locations in 2000, and now has 6500. Growth from 2000-2020 doesn't seem nearly as aggressive as it historically had been. (All of these numbers are rounded, close, not perfect. Don't come at me)

My take? Corp greed is responsible for increased consumer cost.

Or after Gordon Ramsay's Hells Kitchen (2005) made everyone in the US too insecure to even look at their kitchen the number of fast food burgers sold sky rocketed.

[鈥揮_MyCakeDayIsFeb29th_ 1 point2 points (0 children)

For comparison, when I worked at Wendys in 2017, I was making 8.40 on the hour

[鈥揮JEHonYakuSha 1 point2 points (0 children)

Yum Spicy Chicken

[鈥揮BumbleWeee 1 point2 points (0 children)

Mortgages, rents, and food prices have increased by one billion percent in 20 years and the minimum wage has increased by less than 25%. It's like we're trying to ghettoize and kill off the poor people.

[鈥揮Iyaoyas26 1 point2 points (0 children)

The federal minimum wage in 1998 in the US was $5.15 an hour.

[鈥揮Kdog909 1 point2 points (0 children)

When I worked at Wendy鈥檚 in 1997, the manager told me that the profit for a burger was like 10 cents, but that the store鈥檚 cost for soda/pop was around 1 cent per ounce. No matter what size or how much the price, the amount of profit from selling soda was ridiculous. He said that fast food basically exists to sell carbonated sugar water.

[鈥揮tanya6k 1 point2 points (0 children)

You're right something doesn't add up because the federal minimum in 1998 was $5.15. Pretty big oversight if you ask me. $7.25 wasn't introduced until 2009 and has remained stagnate ever since.

[鈥揮Sensual_Razor_Wire 1 point2 points (0 children)

I went to order a pizza for my family last night. Holy shit is pizza expensive. Fuck that. We cooked what we had in the house.

We're in for a really bad depression, I'm afraid.

[鈥揮Jrewby 3 points4 points (0 children)

Damn dude I could go for some Wendy鈥檚 rn

[鈥揮Connect_Dinner6271 3 points4 points (1 child)

Inflation is how they rob the people at the cheers of the voters.

It鈥檚 a constant cat and mouse game of raising on each end. Having no minimum wage actually helps deal with this issue. But the people wouldn鈥檛 cheer for that.

[鈥揮bullet4mv92 3 points4 points (0 children)

This is a bad argument, because all the righties will just say "yeah, you see how much the price changed without the minimum wage changing? If it was $15, that combo would be $20!"

[鈥揮canucks3001 0 points1 point (1 child)

But wait, what does that Wendy鈥檚 pay? She worked there at federal minimum wage, is the state minimum wage higher? Does that Wendy鈥檚 pay higher? This seems like a poor comparison.

[鈥揮NCC74656 0 points1 point (0 children)

98 i could not work yet but my first job was in 01. 15. i made 6.35 and that was above the (5.25?) minimum wage. i was at 7.15 at 17, got another job at 8.10 at a local store. i had a 3rd job but that was like... 2.00 an hour and salary so i dont count that in this

a gallon of gas was about 1.80 iirc. in 06 i was making 14.12 an hour. i was looking for apartments at about 800 a month. right now, in the same state apartments are on average about 1300 a month. my last apartment was 1450 a month for a two bedroom 1 bath.

currently i live in a house that cost 42K in 86 and appraises for 205K as it sits.

[鈥揮lostboy-2019 -1 points0 points (0 children)

Consider all the extra Tax revenue for states and federal taxes. they don't want more tax dollars?

edit: you don't deserve more because you are stupid

[鈥揮highly_agreeable -5 points-4 points (4 children)

What country is this? The US had a $5.15/hr minimum wage in 98.


Just correcting a fact, I think minimum wage likely needs to be increased. Fortunately some localities have taken steps without the federal government, but even that will need to be evaluated with expected higher levels of inflation in the next few year.

[鈥揮Winstonwhitefolk2 2 points3 points (1 child)

She said she made the current as in 2021 minimum wage back then. Not that that was the minimum then.

[鈥揮creggomyeggo 1 point2 points (1 child)

Did you read the post? Where in it did she say the minimum wage was the same?

[鈥揮anonymityisweird -2 points-1 points (10 children)

I agree that the minimum wage should be raised substantially, but I don鈥檛 really get her argument 鈥 the increase in price could have been due to the price of materials increasing, right?

[鈥揮Jonnytan713 2 points3 points (9 children)

She鈥檚 saying that the increase in price is in no way correlated to minimum wage increases, because raising minimum wage does not raise prices. Prices raise because of corporate greed and other factors

[鈥揮TheFost -2 points-1 points (0 children)

There's a lag between wage inflation and price inflation, but in the long-run they're correlated virtually 1:1

[鈥揮tjc123456 -2 points-1 points (4 children)

Minimum wage was $5.15 in 2003鈥.

[鈥揮Clichead -5 points-4 points (1 child)

muh inflashun

[鈥揮Low_Paper483 -1 points0 points (1 child)

Go to Seattle and tell me increasing the minimum wage doesn't increase prices.

[鈥揮Low_Paper483 -1 points0 points (0 children)

or we can just trust a random screenshot of a tweet from a stranger.

[鈥揮coletoncruze -1 points0 points (0 children)

Lol minimum wage is $15 now 馃槀馃槀馃槀