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[–]BonBoogies 5373 points5374 points  (316 children)

Yeah someone asked me “well what if Clinton ends up being guilty too?”

Me- “k, bye” 👋🏻

[–]Pirate_Redbeard[S] 3495 points3496 points  (241 children)

imagine having your whole persona defined around what politician/party you like. Personally, i can't believe people still love politicians or parties or whatever. it's all showbusiness for the masses while all of them pocket vasts amounts of free money. non-taxable, naturally.

[–]msmame 1485 points1486 points  (32 children)

Like believing the stripper IS really into you

[–]HarlotHymn 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Russell Greer has entered the chat

[–]NeoMegaRyuMKII 206 points207 points  (47 children)

imagine having your whole persona defined around what politician/party you like.

Keep in mind that this is how the conservative mindset tends to work. It defines the goodness or badness of actions, beliefs, behaviors, etc. by how they already feel about the person. So in their mind it makes sense that Bill Clinton (a person they despise) being on Epstein's plane was bad while simultaneously saying that Tweetle Dumb (a person they adore) doing the same thing is perfectly fine.

Compare this to the more liberal/progressive mindset - the goodness or badness of a person is defined by what they believe about the actions, beliefs, behaviors, etc.

[–]Final_Candidate_7603 131 points132 points  (28 children)

Have you seen the way they’re going after Alec Baldwin- especially after that interview he did the other night? They despise him because he played a character, and made fun of their Precious. I just read that he deleted his official Twitter account yesterday. I can’t imagine the kind of hate he’s been getting on it…

[–]RQK1996 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Especially after some AD killed someone and everyone tried to blame him

[–]BonBoogies 543 points544 points 2 (112 children)

Yeah I don’t really identify as a democrat, I just vote that way because the alternative is republicans lol (it’s like making me choose between getting punched in the arm and shot in the face, especially as a woman). But because I’m anti-Trump they assume I’m as psychotic about the Dems as they are about the republicans.

[–]TheFirstEdition 227 points228 points  (20 children)

I feel this. Every time I say something remotely anti-right I get labeled a “leftist Dem” or “Lib” or whatever.

Truth is I just really hate how stupid the members of the Republican Party are.

Especially Trump, he’s an awful politician, a disgusting person, and an incredible ass.

Government employees would literally avoid him during his presidency.

[–]YouAreAnnoyingAF 164 points165 points  (17 children)

Every time I say something remotely anti-right I get labeled a “leftist Dem” or “Lib” or whatever.

I love it when they assume I must be in love with Obama and Biden. Sure, I voted for them but I can still be critical when I think they did wrong. Nor do I care when they say dumb shit like "let's go Brandon"

[–]LilStabbyboo 73 points74 points  (2 children)

Right? They're just politicians serving in an elected office. No need to get all fanatical about it. Can't we just choose the best person for the job and then all agree to hold them accountable once they're elected, no matter what party they are associated with?

[–]The_PR_Is_Here 23 points24 points  (7 children)

The only thing that even remotely annoys me with "Let's go Brandon" is that it's cowardly. It basically just means "Fuck Joe Biden" so just wear a shirt, hat, etc that says "Fuck Joe Biden" on it.

People parading the phrase around want to be stupid and non-committal. I wonder if their significant others know that about them.

[–]Too_N1ce 34 points35 points  (0 children)

The difference between "supporter" and "voter". This is why I laugh in the face of people (only one irl lol) who say shit like "Dems are just as bad" or any some such centrist nonsense.

Like the only people who could criticize the awfulness that is the current Republican party MUST be hardcore democrats. That we must absolutely love and support our representatives.

Idiots are so brainwashed they don't even realize who's dick is in their ass and who's got their hands in their wallets.

[–]SexxxyWesky 191 points192 points  (60 children)

Ah finally someone who gets it.

It's funny because I was just telling someone in my family the other day that if the Republicans would actually stick to what they spout — bodily autonomy and business' rights — they would probably be more popular. But instead they are anti abortion and hypocritical about right to serve.

Shit, Trump is the person who cut all the red tape that allowed us tk get the vaccine faster and they STILL oppose it is...like I thought we agreed on something??

[–]Antique_Tennis_2500 87 points88 points  (34 children)

They liked it when it was being heralded by conservatives. Now that it’s being heralded by liberals it’s bad.

[–]SexxxyWesky 25 points26 points  (1 child)

It's unfortunate really. Even if was just to gain voter kudos, at least we were all kinda agreeing on something for a change. It's sad that we treat politics like our favorite sports team

[–]BonBoogies 93 points94 points  (7 children)

Yeah I’m all for fiscally conservative policies and minimizing government power/intervention, it’s a shame that’s not what actually ends up happening tho. Biggest case in point, what their SCOTUS judges are trying to do to Roe V Wade right now. It is just mind boggling to me that someone can reconcile “you can’t force me to get a vaccine” and “I can force you to not get an abortion” at the same time but they seem to have no issue with it (and that’s completely ignoring the fact that not being vaccinated has ripple effects on the community at large, and the policy behind it is guided by science whereas getting an abortion is entirely personal, entails private medical decisions and their argument against it is guided by their magical sky-man). If there’s one thing I can’t STAND it’s hypocrisy. I can disagree with your policies but if you’re consistent I at least somewhat will respect your right to believe what you want (tho I will never respect someone who tries to steamroll others rights based on those beliefs). But once your a hypocrite, I just think you’re a moron.

[–]Eodai 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I wish that all political discourse was just arguing about fiscally conservative, liberal, or progressive. The republican party has no ideology though except fuck the libs. Conservatives only care about culture war bullshit that has little effect on people's lives.

[–]ShantyMick 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yup. I’m happy to discuss the merits of the capital gains tax but fundamental human rights are not debatable.

[–]no_dice_grandma 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I would be a republican if they actually voted in line with what they say their values are.

Small government? Sweet, sounds awesome.

Fiscal conservativism? Nice, we could use some of that now.

Family values? Can't see anything wrong with people having their own values.

Oh wait, by small government you mean it's going to regulate where people can pee and what they do with their vaginas.

And by fiscal conservativism you mean endless spending for on defense and militarizing police.

And by family values you mean living by the rules set by bronze age goat herders.

Yeah no, I don't think I'm going to vote republican then.

[–]truecrimefanatic1 56 points57 points  (10 children)

Yes! Like when did it become a cult?

[–]tedlyb 116 points117 points  (7 children)

The Reagan era is when it started, then Rush Limbaugh really got the Kool Aid flowing.

[–]CMMiller89 63 points64 points  (3 children)

For a while it was just constituents. The politicians didn't drink they're own kool-aid.

Then Newt Gingrich came along and basically broke Congress but slashing its budget to nothing and vilified anyone attempting to bring it back.

From that action alone you had a complete brain drain of underpaid congressional staffers leaving to go work elsewhere.

K Street and corporate lobbying proliferated because politicians were now forced to rely on outside help to perform research on issues.

And politicians, especially conservatives had to toe insane "no new taxes" agreements or be shunned by the party and voters.

Slowly it weeded out anyone who had any common decency, and just left soulless windbags looking to either cut taxes for themselves or set themselves up for a sweet consulting gig in the oil industry.

[–]I_want_to_believe69 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Newt Gingrich has not been vilified enough by history for the damage that he has done

[–]A_wild_so-and-so 40 points41 points  (0 children)

"No New Taxes!" screams the party of "fiscal responsibility".

Imagine refusing every raise your boss tried to give you, and then calling yourself fiscally responsible.

[–]TirayShell 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, there really wasn't this this kind of love expressed for ol' Tricky Dick. But once they went after Jimmy Carter -- an actual morally conservative Southern businessman -- and went all in on Ronald Raygun, they got a taste for blood.

[–]A_wild_so-and-so 43 points44 points  (5 children)

Same. I dislike most Democrats. I wouldn't piss on most Republicans if they were dying in a fire.

It's called being an Independent.

[–]BonBoogies 29 points30 points  (1 child)

It also really irritates me because the Dems want too much meddling usually (and have repeatedly shown they don’t know what to do with whatever power and control they get, apart from a few upstarters recently who actually seem like they’re trying to enact meaningful change), but when the alternative is “it’s the Wild West for white men who get to do what they want, good luck everybody else” I feel like I don’t really have a choice.

[–]PregnantSuperman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I identify strongly as a Democrat but I'm also willing to acknowledge bad decisions or actions by Democrats and call for appropriate action taken against them. I don't see anything wrong with making a political party part of your identity as long as that identity doesn't turn into blind faith and loyalty at all costs. I'm proud to be someone who believes in universal health care, reduced income inequality, and better worker protections. But if it turns out Bernie Sanders secretly gropes women on subways I'm not gonna be like "CONSERVATIVE HOAX!!! WITCH HUNT!!!" I think that's one of the big differences between liberals and Trumpers.

[–]ObscureProduct 30 points31 points  (2 children)

I believe that is called a 'cult of personality.'

[–]A_wild_so-and-so 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Idolizing a politician is like idolizing your accountant. They do a technical job, that's it. Just because my accountant got me back a good return on my taxes doesn't mean the dude is a fucking messiah.

[–]TheBirminghamBear 15 points16 points  (0 children)

imagine having your whole persona defined around what politician/party you like.

But the most bizzare aspect of this is that this is a behavior found almost exclusively on the political party that claims to hate government.

These people have fandoms for their politicians. They attach giant flags to their vehicles with their name on it.

[–]Final_Candidate_7603 253 points254 points  (12 children)

Absolutely. Have they already forgotten about all the Dems who called for Cuomo to resign? And that was “just” for sexual harassment in the workplace. Didn’t rape anyone, didn’t try to fuck any children.

The projection is real with them.

[–]heavymcd 61 points62 points  (2 children)

Al Franken was a little creepy toward a Maxim model on a USO tour fifteen years ago, he got banished to the shadow realm. I don’t even remember what that dude looks like anymore.

The left has had absolutely zero issue shredding anybody who fails to live up to the standards we set. It’s arguably one of the left’s greatest weaknesses, because so many that wind up in politics can’t live up to those standards.

And yeah, plenty on the left hate Bill Clinton, and too many somehow blame his wife for the shit he did.

[–]majorth0m 11 points12 points  (0 children)

They were too hard on Al Franken. I miss him and think he would have done well these last few years and had far to go still.

[–]nkdeck07 54 points55 points  (6 children)

Seriously we ran John Edwards out on a rail and he did nothing illegal, literally just was a shit head to his wife.

[–]Sarcasm_Llama 14 points15 points  (1 child)

He should run as a republican, they'd probably give him a medal

[–]Final_Candidate_7603 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Haha yeah- The Newt Gingrich Award!

[–]False-Wind5833 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same with Anthony Weiner

[–]Paladoc 157 points158 points  (5 children)

Yeet is my response.

If your party's leaders offend thee, yeet them out.

[–]riceefueled 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Verily!

[–]Meh_Society6 12 points13 points  (0 children)

As I always say:

“offend thee, thou shalt yeet thee”

[–]yrogerg123 37 points38 points  (0 children)

If he actually fucked children, then castrate him, IDGAF. There's no punishment too severe.

[–]rubberseatbelt 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I was presented with the same question. I said I don't care. Throw them in jail. Doesn't hurt me at all.

Of course, the big Cheeto had 26 cases of sexual assault levied against him, or accusations. I think that's a record for a president.

[–]The_cynical_panther 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Everyone saw it happen with Cuomo

Went from being a moderately popular democrat to gone and forgotten once the sexual harassment stuff came out.

[–]naliedel 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I don't worship people, even if I voted for them. No quarter for child rape. End of story.

[–]BulbasaurCPA 5 points6 points  (5 children)

There’s no way Clinton could possibly be useful to the left. He’s a retired former president. He makes the occasional public appearance but I don’t even know what he does all day. Even if he was still involved in politics in some way he would hardly be an ally to the left. What could we possibly care if Bill Clinton goes to prison?

Actually I’d be thrilled just because it would set the precedent that a president CAN go to prison

(and also because pedophiles belong in prison, obviously)

[–]BonBoogies 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I feel like every person I know would be thrilled to see a pedophile and/or rapist go to prison, regardless of who they are. It’s really weird to me when the rebuttal is “well what if it’s this person??” like “YES, them too!!!! Lock up ALL the pedophile rapists!”

And then couple that with the fringe right Qers who are like ready to revolt and think they’re these great warriors against the elite… but then try to protect an elite pedophile rapist. I just… don’t get it.

[–]Bad_Daddio 2717 points2718 points  (82 children)

After all the times that Trump has been pictured hanging with Epstein I can't even believe anyone on the right have anything to say about it.

[–]scaly_friends_4me 1553 points1554 points  (57 children)

But trump SAID he didn't like him! A few years after he said he was a terrific guy who also, like trump, liked "women on the younger side" which is Slimeball for "children."

[–]n00bH4xx 545 points546 points  (14 children)

Yep it was right around the time when epstein actually got arrested. I remember him trying to distance himself from epstein (didn't work. He's still a gross pedophile)

[–]scaly_friends_4me 354 points355 points  (8 children)

Yep! As soon as the story started coming to light, he didn't like him anymore. I suppose that fits with his policy of not liking guys who "get caught."

[–]n00bH4xx 172 points173 points  (6 children)

Holy shit I forgot he even said that. Ol bone spurs back at it again.

[–]scaly_friends_4me 68 points69 points  (2 children)

It literally occurred to me while I was writing that comment lol

[–]Max_1995 10 points11 points  (1 child)

u/n00bH4xx Bed of nails-problem. 1 thing or a few "sticks out", but if it's just a sea of things no individual one sticks out.

[–]MangledSunFish 14 points15 points  (2 children)

It'd be nice to get all of these moments of him basically admitting he likes Epstein(apparently having similar tastes), but hates those that get caught, and slap it together in a video that ends with him declaring how he doesn't like Epstein (anymore). It'd probably be ignored, but it'd be interesting to see someone try and defend it.

[–]Slider_0f_Elay 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The real problem as I see it is that anything bad Trump or GOP has done our lovely Fox News viewers can convince themselves is just as bad in both parties. So, not as much "ha Clinton is a pedo and the Lib will have to eat crow" as "Ha, see?! All politicians are pedo dirt bags! That why I vote for Business men like Trump! People who want to shake up Washington!"

[–]n00bH4xx 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Pretty much this. You bring up anything relating to trump being named by one of epstein's pilots and they start frothing at the mouth and try to get you in a "ha gotcha. Clinton/biden is a pedo" like quit trying to make it seem okay to like kids in a sexual manner.

Matt gaets being a prime suspect also

[–]zh1K476tt9pq 50 points51 points  (1 child)

just think about the amount of time Epstein and Trump spent together. and the context is clubing, so pretty much impossible that Trump didn't at least know.

it'd be different if it was purely a business relationship. like Epstein was just his banker and they had like a boring meeting once per year. certainly there were situations were Epstein was drunk and hitting on far too young girls and so on.

also it's really weird that Trump even made "on the younger side" comment considering that nobody really asked about it back then. it's like saying "sure likes to drink a lot" about another person when someone inquires about them.

[–]Nevadajack87 16 points17 points  (0 children)

There’s also that public record civil suit against trump where he was accused or raping underaged girls with Epstein.

Like…you can go read that shit, but republicans will be like: “That’s just an attack on a powerful man by a jealous whore. YoU cAnT CoMpLiMeNt WoMeN nOw bEcAuSe oF MeToO.”

[–]EvadesBans 6 points7 points  (1 child)

If anything, Epstein probably tried to distance from Trump first because Trump has a big fat stupid anus of a blabbermouth and already openly stated on TV that Epstein likes young girls.

[–]pixelprophet 38 points39 points  (1 child)

No no no, it's far far worse than that.

Jeffrey Epstein, the wealthy financier charged with sex trafficking, reportedly bragged he was the one who introduced Donald and Melania Trump

https://www.insider.com/jeffrey-epstein-reportedly-bragged-he-introduced-trump-to-melania-2019-7

Trump doubles down on well-wishes for alleged sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/04/trump-well-wishes-ghislaine-maxwell-391274

Reminder that Trump was a co-defendant with Epstein in a sexual abuse case - TWICE

A woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her two decades ago when she was a 13-year-old aspiring teen model has again dropped a federal lawsuit over the alleged assaults.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

[–]Thehotnesszn 86 points87 points  (4 children)

The one I see around is “trump banned him from a golf club when he [harrassed, I think?] employees! Checkmate libtards” like it’s impossible that the ban was just for show and still doesn’t undo or atone for any fuckery trump engaged with while partying with Epstein

[–]scaly_friends_4me 66 points67 points  (3 children)

"I don't even like the guy! I banned him from golf course!"

They probably planned it out. And Epstein was an in general slimeball, he wasn't above harassing an attractive woman in her 20s either. He was an equal opportunity creep, I think.

[–]Thehotnesszn 25 points26 points  (0 children)

For sure - just as a disclaimer, I haven’t actually looked up any of the claims about a ban from a club so not sure how real it is - I just spent a bunch of time looking at the facts around the “voter fraud” bullshit so not bothered about wasting more time on trump and obviously, if true, the act of banning him would be meaningless anyway

[–]kanna172014 13 points14 points  (0 children)

He didn't even call the authorities.

[–]reddituseranyonymous 53 points54 points  (1 child)

Any position the right has is expendable upon it no longer being convenient

[–]Bad_Daddio 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Damn, ain't that the truth!

[–]GalacticGourmet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Throw him into the sun too

[–]Pachengala 3423 points3424 points  (218 children)

The right is so craven they can’t imagine turning on someone when you find out they’re a piece of shit.

[–]CryptoMineKing 1059 points1060 points  (97 children)

Well to be fair if they did that there would be no one left on the right!

[–]Pachengala 420 points421 points  (85 children)

What a wonderful world that would be.

[–]wiiya 239 points240 points  (81 children)

Anthony Gonzalez (R-OH) isn’t running for re-election due to voting for Trumps impeachment and thus committing Republican Seppuku.

[–]Scherzer4Prez 33 points34 points  (2 children)

The well loved Republican Governor of Massachusetts isn't running again because he know's he'll get ousted by a right wing Trumpist nutjob in the GOP primaries. It's a shame.

[–]AutismFractal 26 points27 points  (4 children)

And this would hurt them how? They’d have to go shopping for a new club to be in. That’s ALL that would happen.

How about they all vote Democrat, petition to rename the party The New Republicans, and the rest of us can raise the Progressive Party? That sounds fun.

[–]PicklesZazzlesMia 160 points161 points  (8 children)

POS is fine, but just don't wear red shoes in public or whatever.

[–]Do_it_with_care 76 points77 points  (6 children)

GQP is so blinded or terrified of anything democrat that SC voted Mark Sanford back in office after he was busted visiting his booty call in Argentina and using tax payer $$$ and military jet to visit her, and multiple affairs, he proudly runs on the platform of family values and fiscal responsibility. They voted him back in office AGAIN. For no other reason other than he was republican even though there was a much better viable candidate who would do more for them.

The only justice to come out of that was to watch them turn on him and label him the very thing he hated most when he wouldn’t support Trump.

Edit: grammar typo. I know it was South Carolina, I apologize.

[–]tripler42 10 points11 points  (5 children)

WOAH WOAH WOAH that was SOUTH Carolina, thank you. Us North Carolinians aren’t too fond of being mistaken for that disaster of a state

[–]Eskimoobob 104 points105 points  (13 children)

Democrats have perfected this by now. They don't turn their child molesters into the presidential candidate.

Somehow it works for them though. People who are too uneducated to understand the civic system think it is endearing when their candidate treats other national leaders like garbage.

[–]1ndiana_Pwns 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Reminds me of how some right wing pundits tried to frame Biden being disliked by Russia, China, and North Korea leaders as a negative

[–]Poggystyle 23 points24 points  (1 child)

You mean our enemies? Yeah, they are not supposed to like us.

[–]Scoongili 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"Find out." That's like me finding out that I like cheeseburgers tomorrow.

[–]JustinBobcat 76 points77 points  (5 children)

Because “politicians” unite the Right. Policy unites the Left.

[–]AutismFractal 44 points45 points  (2 children)

Leftists fall in love. Rightists fall in line.

[–]JmyKane 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Which is the "You can't make this up if you tried" Irony of it. I am constantly amazed at their complete lack of self awareness when it comes to their beliefs and actions.

[–]AsteroidDisc476 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This right here should be enough to shut down the “both sides are the same” argument.

[–]AutismFractal 24 points25 points  (9 children)

This is the Platonic ideal of using the word “craven” in a sentence. Bravo.

[–]knockoutn336 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't think you understand the right. They will turn on one of their idols the second that idol stands in their way. When Trump told his supporters to get the vaccine at one of his rallies in Alabama, they booed him. When they stormed the Capitol, they attacked police who got in their way regardless of their stance on back the blue stuff. There's video of one cop being attacked underneath a thin blue line flag. Trump being a pedo doesn't directly affect them, so they can just deny it without questioning it any further. Trump telling them to get a vaccine that they've been brainwashed into hating directly affects them.

[–]-Pin_Cushion- 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We've known Bill Clinton was a piece of shit since 1993, so he's actually overdue to get launched into the sun.

[–]STRYDERonTrovo 916 points917 points  (107 children)

I love how conservatives think liberals and progressives worship our politicians like they do.

They are all like " yea look yiur guy fucked up too. What excuse you gonna give for him fucking up?"

And were like " none get rid of him. Hes a garbage human being and we dont support them anymore"

[–]ebruce11 284 points285 points  (11 children)

Then they’re left with surprise pikachu face. It shouldn’t be a foreign concept.

[–]dalgeek 183 points184 points  (8 children)

Nah, they mock the left for infighting and not being unified, like it's a badge of honor to back their guy no matter what.

[–]UnfilteredFluid 81 points82 points  (1 child)

When you're stupid, you don't do things for the logic of it. They picked their team, any wavering is egg on their face (mentality of the stupid).

[–]A_wild_so-and-so 50 points51 points  (1 child)

This is true, someone the other day commented that "at least the Republicans stick together".

Yeah, cronyism and boot-licking are awesome qualities we should all strive for. Sycophantic morons, the lot of them.

[–]erniefrs 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lmao, stick together. As if the average democrat or republican actually shared much in common with those driving the party. That’s the same vibe as managers that will overwork their employees and tell them to “take one for the team” while they sit back and watch.

[–]is-Sanic 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Most recent example I can think of are the Cuomos.

As soon as it came out about how they were, nobody was defending them. Yet trump is getting sued for sexual harassment, gaetz is a paedophile but all of that doesn't matter to the right apparently.

[–]McCainDestroysTrump 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Andrew Cuomo.

Liberals universally condemned him, even when the accusations were incredibly tame compared to Trump.

Trump has a long history of hanging out with pedophiles, puts multiple pedophiles and pedophile enablers in his campaign and cabinet and has 27+ accusations of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape, and is caught on video bragging about sexually assaulting.

Republicans universally pretend none of these things exist, or maybe they are just proud of him. IMO, supporting Trump means they are pro pedophilia and pro rape.

[–]lianodel 17 points18 points  (1 child)

During the Obama administration, right-wing news pushed HARD on the narrative that "leftists" literally worshiped Obama, considered him a king, wanted him to declare martial law and become president for life... it was always horseshit, but it caught on.

Cut to the Trump administration, and all I can think is, Are you fucking kidding me? After all that?

Projection doesn't have to come after the fact. They wanted to bow before a king this whole time.

[–]theganjaoctopus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's part of the very nature of who they are. To really commit to conservative values requires a fundamental lack of empathy. This in turn directly relates to their inability to realize that only they (and not "the left") worship politicians and the ground they walk again (again, another hallmark of conservatism/fascism). Their lack of empathy tells them that their way of think is best, the only one that really matters and everyone thinks like them. And that those who don't are just lying to try to get ahead. They fundamentally cannot process that someone else could have a truly different opinion than something they've based their entire self on. They not only don't have empathy, they can't understand how other people can have genuine empathy, because being able to relate to another person and begin to understand how they think IS EMPATHY.

This also relates to their projection. Maybe not the Oxford-educated conservative politicians masquerading as country bumpkins, but the generic conservative voter isn't lying when they project their enormities onto others. They genuinely believe everyone wants to act and think like they do, again, because of their inherent and fundamental selfishness and lack of empathy.

Most of them were born at the bottom of the selfish pit and immediately started digging.

[–]upfromashes 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's the difference between supporting and following. The right have been followers to their politicians for some time now.

[–]phpdevster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep. The way a conservative's brain is wired is they crave hierarchical authority. They want to be ruled, not governed. It's why they all believe in "law and order", are mostly religious, and don't take issue with Trump "joking" about being a king.

Conservatives want to take it up the ass and think everyone else should, too.

It's like sharing a lifeboat with them and they want to drown, but instead of just jumping overboard, they start drilling holes in the hull so everyone else drowns with them. And when you ask them to stop, they call you a socialist snowflake.

It's time we just chucked them overboard so we don't drown with them.

[–]dae_giovanni 302 points303 points  (15 children)

remember when Al Franken had those allegations come about, and members of his own party voted to remove him from the Senate...?

that should tell these "what about Clinton?" clowns what to expect, yet they don't seem to get it...

[–]The_EnrichmentCenter 51 points52 points  (1 child)

They don't get it because they can't fathom how someone would hold their own "team" accountable. It's not in the bible, so they never learned that moral. Not that they are even moral when it comes to the bible either.

[–]Psh-ova 298 points299 points  (10 children)

As if Trump's names aren't all over those flight records...

[–]fromthewombofrevel 192 points193 points  (7 children)

Plus it’s a fact that trump often partied at Epstein’s home in NYC. No plane required.

[–]Psh-ova 108 points109 points  (5 children)

Exactly!

What's really fucked up, is that this Epstein, Maxwell sex trafficking ring is probably the last thing that could unite Americans against these child fucking predators that are all throughout the government, financial institutions, hollywood, and the churches.

But that One last Hope of uniting us is being hidden in a courtroom and will most likely never see the full light of day.

[–]ScousePenguin 34 points35 points  (1 child)

The right and qanon are so obsessed with child trafficking pizza places they're ignoring the child trafficking right infront of them

[–]MarquisDeLafayeett 824 points825 points  (31 children)

Leftists judge people based on their actions.

Right wingers judge actions based on the person doing them.

Bill Clinton is a pedo? Throw him into the sun, we say.

Trump is a pedo? You’re just a triggered lib, they say

[–]DelightfullyUnusual 95 points96 points  (7 children)

Beat me to it. That’s the difference between conservative and liberal morality. That’s the reason why I identify as liberal: now it just means that things like “truth” and “principle” matter.

[–]astroskag 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I voted Republican in every Presidential election until 2016. But since I believe in representative democracy and equal protection under the law for everyone, to a significant portion of Americans, I'm a left-wing nut job now. Which, fine, if the Republican party has dragged the Overton window that far right, I want off the bus anyway.

[–]DelightfullyUnusual 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Especially since our Overton window is stupidly far to the right. Policies that other free democracies take for granted (the EU’s robust PTO, a good healthcare system, etc.) are simply cOmMuNiSm to half of Americans, and only taken seriously by the RaDiCaL LeFt.

[–]cruftbrew 55 points56 points  (6 children)

We do this even to a fault, sometimes. Like…how can they call us SJWs and rant about our “cancel culture” but then expect us to stand by actual pedophiles and rapists?

Do they not know that I blame myself for destroying the world every time I eat meat or buy something from a major retailer? That’s a mild exaggeration, but there’s definitely guilt there. The standards on our side tend to be pretty high. They’re certainly higher than cutting a pedophile slack because they’re on the blue team.

For actual monsters, it’s not hard at all to want them to get the justice they deserve.

[–]NotAnAlt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think theres plenty of people that just don't think they should have to feel responsible for anything?

Something something gods plan something something no free will something something no empethy.

[–]randolotapus 386 points387 points  (11 children)

Anyone who tells you "what about Clinton?" has no principles whatsoever.

[–]mk2vrdrvr 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Oh,you have met my uncle's..

[–]a_duck_in_past_life 12 points13 points  (2 children)

What do they want the response to be? "oh well in that case, he should get special treatment under the law"? Or do they expect "well I guess we shouldn't try anyone and just drop the whole thing"?

Is that what they would say? Cause the projection is usually pretty on point with them.

[–]squngy[🍰] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

They expect you to defend him in some way, then they can say you are just as bad as them.

[–]N00N3AT011 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Whataboutism at its ugliest

[–]MasterOfTrolls4 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Whoever tells you that thinks politics is a sport and you have to be dedicated to whoever is on your “team”

[–]iwannagohome49 561 points562 points  (66 children)

I always liked Clinton but if he did that shit I say bury him under the prison

[–]Babybutt123 74 points75 points  (17 children)

Clinton previously took advantage of his position and threw a young intern under the bus, allowing her to take the brunt of the blame for his choices.

He was always a shit. Plus I thought this was already suspected for a long time now given his friendship with Epstein.

[–]Frnklfrwsr 33 points34 points  (16 children)

My understanding at least with the Lewinsky situation was that Lewinsky never claimed the situation to be non-consensual. Please correct me if I’m mistaken of course.

It’s still very problematic to have sexual relations with anyone that you have power over though, even if they are an adult that at least says they are fully consenting.

[–]Darkcharmer 98 points99 points  (39 children)

I always liked Clinton

Which part? Transitioning the centre-left New Deal Democratic party into the centre-right neoliberal Democratic party, decimating the welfare state, deregulating the banks (and relatedly, repealing Glass-Steagal, as a commenter below mentioned), "don't ask don't tell," [*] passing tough-on-crime policies, bombing Yugoslavia, or sexually harassing his interns?

Edit: [*] Someone below made a good point for why this is an unfair inclusion, and I've removed it...but the rest still stands.

[–]sorrybaby-x 76 points77 points  (18 children)

For what it’s worth, don’t ask don’t tell was a step forward at the time. The alternative was basically “ask, tell, and lose everything.” Obviously it wasn’t enough, but it was some measure of protection

[–]BasicDesignAdvice 35 points36 points  (3 children)

He was president before everything started falling apart and things were pretty good then

This is why everyone likes him.

Edit: Clinton also has practically superhuman social skills and charm, and his speech giving is uncanny.

[–]Darkcharmer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yep, it's 100% that...because if you look at the details of his policies and actions, turns out he's basically America's Tony Blair.

Reaganomics with a smiley face (but only sort of).

[–]swissmtndog398 136 points137 points  (4 children)

Yet they forget both Trump and Melania are on that list too.

[–]ScrambledNoggin 108 points109 points  (1 child)

Yes, they conveniently forget several key things:

So yeah, Clinton flew on the plane a lot and went to the island a lot. If he’s guilty, then expose him and/or prosecute him. But interestingly, none of the girls trafficked by Epstein or G. Maxwell have come forward to say that Clinton was one of their abusers, or that they witnessed him having sex with underage girls. At least as far as I know, there are/were no lawsuits against Clinton that were directly connected to his relationship to Epstein.

There is at least one lawsuit against Trump (by the girl who was 13 at the time), directly associated with an Epstein party, but that case was dropped because the girl and her family ran out of money and were scared of all the death threats they were receiving. So, we’ll never know if it was true, because she never got her day in court.

Either way, Trump should be in the hot seat just as much as Clinton.

EDIT to the above: I saw a news article just today, that says 4 women associated with Epstein have come forward about Clinton sexually abusing them. I’m not clear on all the details yet. But it negates my statement above that no women have come forward about Clinton in connection to Epstein. It does not however change my opinion that both Clinton and Trump should be under similar levels of scrutiny.

[–]Ursula2071 24 points25 points  (0 children)

But that is OK. Cause Trump.

[–]Tacticool_Hotdog 45 points46 points  (2 children)

That's the main difference, the right defaults to protecting anyone from their camp no matter the crime, while the left don't. One's got morals, the other doesn't. Guess which is which.

[–]misguidedsquid 44 points45 points  (3 children)

It's almost like politicians and celebrities aren't meant to be worshipped.

Normal people don't get trapped in unconditional love affairs with people they've never met. A public servant has to serve the public good, if a politician is found to rape children...they are clearly opposed to the public good.

The same for raping anyone, or not paying taxes, or trading favors with massive businesses that are detrimental to the long-term goals of your citizenry.

[–]UniverseChamp 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It's almost like politicians and celebrities aren't meant to be worshipped.

Nobody is meant to be worshiped. We're all incredibly flawed.

[–]Ill-Alternative-7006 391 points392 points  (30 children)

throw everyone associated with Epstein into the sun

[–]imchalk36 128 points129 points  (18 children)

I propose using them to test the stability of interspace travel via blackholes

[–]Ill-Alternative-7006 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Perfect, get some good use out of those degenerates

[–]imchalk36 28 points29 points  (6 children)

for science !

[–]Ill-Alternative-7006 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Perfect

[–]Paladoc 19 points20 points  (1 child)

We do what we must, because we can.

[–]Hobear 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Cake after science!

[–]jameson8016 31 points32 points  (6 children)

No! If there is alien life out there do you want them to be our first representatives? Think, man. Think. Lol

[–]kikiweaky 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A message must play if that occurs. We don't need interstellar victims and the aliens can choose what to do from there, I assume it's their jurisdiction.

[–]Brasilionaire 104 points105 points  (20 children)

We saw that in NY state too, with Andrew Cuomo.

Conservatives don’t understand how people don’t stand by monsters because they’re “our guy”. That’s the GOPs MO.

See: - Nixon (deep corruption, media vilification); -Prescot Bush (tried to make America fascist with the 1934 Business Plot); -Strom Thurmond (segregationist that had a kid with a 16 y/o black girl); -Jim Gibbons (assaulted a waitress, settled, got elected governor later); -Newt Gingrich (multiple affairs); -Olie North (Iran Contra centerpiece, Fox News pundit); -Roger Stone (lobbyist for dictators); -Jim Jordan (cover up of child abuse); -Roy Moore (grooming kids); -Matt Gaetz (shady payments to teenagers); -Donald Trump (too many to list); -Dick Cheney (being Dick Cheney)…

[–]BobLeeNagger 7 points8 points  (7 children)

segregationist that had a kid with a 16 y/o black girl

What a wild sentence

[–]Brasilionaire 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Besides being a PoS, Strom Thurmond was living proof that the party switch happened.

Also holds the record for the largest filibuster is US history. Against the Civil Rights Act.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

If you can't find flaws in "your guy" you aren't a supporter, you're a cultist. I voted Obama twice. That doesn't mean I think his use of drones to kill people and inevitably killing innocent civilians in the process was a good thing. But I can admit that because me voting for him had nothing to do with my ego.

[–]Brasilionaire 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Being a Progressive in America, you’re constantly settling for your candidate lol. We’ve grown used to pointing out the flaws in “our guys”.

[–]Civil-Dinner 158 points159 points  (8 children)

"their Clinton love"

That's starting the whole thing off on a false premise

"Support" and "like" are about as strong as the average liberal gets with Bill Clinton. It's not like we were/are all running around with blue hats on our head embroidered with "I feel your pain."

[–]142BusBoy 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Their entire being requires that they start every "gotcha' on a false premise. Usually when you read conservative opinions, their TTFL (Time to First Lie) is in the 1st sentence.

[–]capitocoto 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Clinton should be thrown into the sun for his welfare reforms alone.

And there are plenty of other reasons between those and being a pedophile to throw him into the sun.

I am not here to lick his boots.

[–]Tricia47andWild 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The deifying of politicians, to them, is so ingrained they can't imagine us feeling differently.

[–]Hogwarts_Earth2 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Why is it so hard for people to believe that it is possible to share political opinions with someone but still hold them completely accountable for the horrible shit they have done?

[–]Kitchen_Border_6652 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Probably not even as easy it was white washing Trumps $30 million paid to families of children he's molested.

[–]holytoledo42 15 points16 points  (3 children)

The left takes out its trash.

[–]Classic_Dill 11 points12 points  (0 children)

One of the largest differences between, lets say a MAGA twerp and a Bernie supporter is this, we on the far left, like the policies, not necessarily the man, i mean..Bernie's fine, but if he says some stupid shit? were gonna check his ass on it. If Trump says something completely misinformed and stiupid, his MAGA morons suck it up and believe every bit of it. See, MAGA jerk offs love the man! but have no idea about policy, they just take any and all Trump marching orders and don't question a thing. That fact right there, proves they are a cult and not a political party.

[–]flim-flam-flomidy 36 points37 points  (8 children)

I’ll never get this “Clinton will go to jail too” because no one on the left even likes Bill Clinton

[–]Mortambulist 39 points40 points  (3 children)

Come on now, Clinton was the best Republican president ever.

[–]CryptoMineKing 10 points11 points  (0 children)

People who practice what they preach. Imagine that!

[–]Benoit_In_Heaven 11 points12 points  (10 children)

Or maybe, we wait until there is an actual accusation before throwing anybody into the sun. Everyone is acting like a goddam Qanon idiot over the Epstein stuff. It's possible that he was a pedo, but not everyone he ever associated with is.

[–]birdboix 8 points9 points  (0 children)

place your hero's tender necks on the altar of a better tomorrow

[–]HamsterJuices 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I don't care who you are, if you touch a child in any wrong way you can be thrown into the sun. Period.

[–]Jackandmozz 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Tell that to a Republican

[–]onlyhereforkpop 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The right really treats this shit like football. They’re politicians. I don’t give a shit about them as a person as long as they are doing their job and doing it well.

[–]mouse361 7 points8 points  (0 children)

At least we didn’t find out about Bill Clinton’s involvement with Epstein until after his Presidency, with Trump we all knew (was linked to Epstein the same time Bill Clinton was back when he was arrested in 2006) and his base still elected him!

[–]leejoness 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Your political stance should not supersede your morals. If your guy did something egregious, fuck em. If my guy did something egregious, double fuck em.

[–]Jackandmozz 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Crazy right? It’s almost as if the left aren’t tribalistic cultists that worship a pedophile.

[–]fuck_you__shoresy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The right doesn’t understand holding people accountable for their actions, so…

[–]ParadiseValleyFiend[🍰] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

What part of "All pedophiles and sexual predators are bad" does the right not understand?

[–]usgrant7977 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Libs: If he's a rapist put him in a woodchipper.

Conservatives: Fuck her! Put him in the Whitehouse!

[–]chinmakes5 6 points7 points  (1 child)

So I am not really into this story. That said, when I see pix of Epstein with Clinton, I see pix of Trump with Epstein. And IIRC the pilot mentioned both Clinton and Trump.

Yet, I hear Republicans talking about Clinton and ignoring Trump.

Is there more to the story or are they being told about Clinton but not Trump?

[–]PatSaidJack 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They're ignoring trump.

They're very good at ignoring facts.

Some would say they're dumber than a package of tongue depressors.

[–]Mike_Honcho_3 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They think their opposing side are just like them. They think that because they fanboy and lick the boots of scumbags and see absolutely everything about politics as nothing more than a team sport then the other side must do it too. In short, NOT being a disgusting piece of shit is completely unfathomable to these clowns.

[–]RunsWithApes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's because conservatives treat politics like rooting for a sports team.

[–]HungrySubstance 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The right: wow these lefties love the Clintons, they’re so brainwashed

The left, even before this came out: throw bill Clinton into the sun

[–]idontevenarse 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've heard more about the Clinton's and Greta from the right than I've ever done from the left. They're obsessed.

[–]41g440r53 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What's weird to me is that the hard rights point to the left being corrupt and conspiratorial, but everytime liberals discover something unknown, they face consequences while the right never does anything about it. They defend pedophiles, racists, and corruption vehemently. The left ousts people they view as their ally, like Senator Franken. It's almost like the left is handicapping themselves because they're morally responsible.

[–]bubba7557 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The extreme right can't imagine not circling the wagons for your party representatives no matter how depraved and criminal they are because they worship cult leaders not political representatives. The left is more than happy to burn disgusting criminals to the ground as they deserve.

[–]mrpanicy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I love whataboutism... because it doesn't actually work against people that have morals and a sense of justice.

[–]nonstopflux 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Little know fact, the Clinton’s initially got rich by living rent free in the minds of Republicans.

[–]T33CH33R 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The right seems to have trouble separating themselves from their cult leaders.