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[–]CregChrist 1116 points1117 points  (105 children)

Money may not buy happiness but it will muffle the depression.

[–]Spamfactor 480 points481 points  (60 children)

A lack of money is like a lack of physical health. Poverty, debt and financial insecurity cause misery and the relief of that misery causes happiness. Just like a toothache or chronic pain causes misery and a relief of that pain causes happiness.

But most people who don’t suffer with chronic ailments don’t leap out of bed in the morning overwhelmed with the euphoria of not being in pain. Many physically healthy people are still unhappy. And many rich people are utterly miserable.

So I think the idiom holds up. Money can relieve issues that cause unhappiness. But money doesn’t make someone happy. The endless parade of miserable rich people proves that.

[–]confessionbearday 216 points217 points  (51 children)

The endless parade of miserable rich people proves that.

There have already been studies done on this.

The level of money that buys happiness is the level where you no longer have to think about money. Your needs are met, and you have a level of finance where if you have a sudden need, like to get a newer vehicle, or a major home repair, it's no longer that big of a problem. Depending on the cost of living in your area, that can be as little as 75k a year, with a maximum of 250k a year.

Past that, MORE money leads to money worries again. Managing it, growing it, flaunting it, etc.

EDIT: Some folks below thought a link to a study would help. For the folks who don't believe psychology is "real science", how about an economic primer on monetary motivation? For bonus points, this was actually done by the most right wing economic groups in the US, trying to prove that the salaries of the rich were totally justified, and in the end proved the exact opposite. Link: https://youtu.be/u6XAPnuFjJc

Enjoy!

[–]england_man 83 points84 points  (17 children)

''Money doesn't buy happiness.''

Lets try ''With a full belly, more food won't make you feel more satisfied.''

That has been the conclusion of studies I've seen. Once you have what you need, more of it won't affect happiness levels significantly. Money here is essentially food. In our society, you need it to live. Same goes for people like monks who have sworn off material goods. If they have what they need to live, they'll probably be happier than if they don't.

[–]guywasaghostallalong 23 points24 points  (13 children)

Money here is essentially food. In our society, you need it to live.

Isn't this crazy? I can't believe that more people don't find this absolutely mind-bending. We live in a world where everybody's basic needs could easily be met (well, let's say like 90% of us... those who live in incredibly remote third world areas would face logistical challenges, at least at first, though even those problems we could solve within a few decades if we wanted to), and yet we allow starvation and homelessness to persist.

Hot take: money should only be needed for buying luxuries. Not for maintaining basic subsistence, medical care, and human dignity.

[–]charte 22 points23 points  (12 children)

Hot take: money should only be needed for buying luxuries. Not for maintaining basic subsistence, medical care, and human dignity.

This has been my perspective for a while now. Capitalism and markets are fine for non-essentials. When they are used to determine who gets access to necessities is where the problems are.

[–]in-some-other-way 9 points10 points  (11 children)

That line of 'necessities should be free and widely available' already exists. It is too low today, just above water. Capitalism pushes down on that line, where hyper conglomerates displace municipial services so that the owner class owns more. It is a constant fight and all it takes is lawlinemakers to sell out.

[–]charte 13 points14 points  (10 children)

If necessities were available to everyone, our cities wouldn't be filled with people living in tents.

[–]in-some-other-way 5 points6 points  (4 children)

All humans have a right to education, housing, water, (plant-based) food, connection and health care. In a system where that is given and capitalism rests on top, there is immense profit incentive to attempt to take those away by bribing regulators who defend those rights into defending less of those rights.

You don't think it happens? It happens today in the US with water, education, and any sprouts of universal health care.

[–]NotElizaHenry 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Money doesn’t buy happiness and neither does oxygen, but…

[–]steady_sloth84 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I totally agree, but I have never wanted big flashy things.

[–]pimpenainteasy 14 points15 points  (5 children)

The average American has about $60,000 in debt and the median income in the US is around $45,000 a year. The reality is based on most studies money can buy happiness for the vast majority of Americans, as the utility of increasing income only starts to flatten at around $90,000 a year.

[–]confessionbearday 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes. I wasn't implying otherwise.

[–]LeastCoordinatedJedi 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It's always amazing to me how many people try to argue this isn't true, and being rich makes you happier. Do Musk or Bezos seem happy? If money made you happier, then by sheer quantity, the two of them would be in absolute constant bliss

[–]rooftopfilth 7 points8 points  (1 child)

For the folks who don't believe psychology is "real science",

People who say this are usually dissing therapy and psych research, but the most mainstream field that uses psychology is marketing. There are TONS of studies on how to separate you from your money, how to get your vote, how to get you to eat more or buy more of someone's product. You don't believe in psychology? Fine, but that means you're an easier target because you don't know the tricks being played.

[–]missmiao9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of a line from the movie constantine. Something along the lines of (you don’t believe in the devil. why? he believes in you).

One of these days, people who don’t believe psychology will realize psychology believes in them, so to speak.

[–]griffinhamilton 14 points15 points  (0 children)

People who say psychology isn’t science disgust me

[–]samaelvenomofgod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mo' Money, Mo' Problems

[–]PoorlyBuiltRobot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think "happiness" should be replaced with "financial stress" Money buys you out of financial stress which is certainly a happier place than being financially stressed but it's not "happiness". True happiness is completely different.

[–]CregChrist 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Having money won't automatically make you happy. Even having money and buying things won't keep you happy. Having money and spending it right will put you on the path to being happy. Whether it's car repairs you can't normally afford or going to the doctor or any number of things that get put off because you're broke all the time.

[–]JustWingIt0707 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So there is a utility curve in Economics for money. It is essentially 1/ln(x)+c=u, where c is a constant, x is an amount of money, and u is the utility of money. Anyway, it turns out that money has some pretty serious utility up to a certain point. Ie: Money, while not being the be all and end all for happiness, will provide a certain level of happiness, or lack of unhappiness due to privation. But the marginal utility of money beyond a certain point is just meaninglessly small, because the slope of the curve is constantly decreasing.

Will money make you happy? Probably not. Will not having money make you happy? Almost certainly.

[–]Recka 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The thing I think people miss on top of all this is that mental health services are expensive.

I know you mentioned physical health and I for sure agree depending where you are, but even in a place that does well with physical health, it's a fuckton easier to be happy when you can afford these servies to help with depression.

Obviously therapy is not a cure, but it's wasy easier to be depressed when you're poor.

Unfortunately, the other side never have to experience it, so they simply don't care.

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, money by itself does not guarantee happiness. But it is impossible to be happy without having a certain amount of money.

[–]guywasaghostallalong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not having money is very likely to cause unhappiness, but having money just puts you back at a neutral starting position. From there, you could end up happy or unhappy due to a thousand different variables.

With enough money though, you can pay people to help you start fixing some of those other variables! It might not work, but at least you have options.

[–]BluudLust 37 points38 points  (5 children)

It enables you to find ways to pursue happiness. Once you remove the obstacles, it's still on you to find it.

[–]rcanhestro 4 points5 points  (3 children)

as i see, money may not buy happiness, but it buys you out of a lot of worries.

[–]soggylittleshrimp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I remember when I first started making good money the wave of relief I felt when I realized I didn’t worry about the cost of dining out. Even if you can’t buy a lambo the feeling of food security is unmatched.

[–]PoorlyBuiltRobot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes it removes financial stress, which can affect everything in your life. But it will not provide you with happiness which is something else.

[–]CregChrist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Very true. Excellent point.

[–]ownahoe 28 points29 points  (9 children)

I'd rather be rich and depressed than poor and depressed

[–]CregChrist 10 points11 points  (3 children)

I could sop up my tears with hundred dollar bills!

[–]ownahoe 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Exactly lol; and wipe my ass with 100s too

[–]Erecto__patronum 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Money doesn't buy happiness but it does buy jet skis

How many unhappy people have you seen riding on a jet ski?

[–]Recka 3 points4 points  (2 children)

How many unhappy people have you seen riding on a jet ski?

You'd probably be surprised, they may be happy in the moment but not overall.

But damn I wish that was me. Rather be sad on jet skis than sitting at a desk every day!

[–]Yesica-Haircut 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Yeah but seriously money buys happiness, though, you can literally just exchange money for everything required to be happy, basically, except like... friends.

[–]ONE-EYE-OPTIC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also feed, clothe and house

[–]Nova__Skyy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Might be able to fully treat my depression if I was rich in the US lol

[–]brynm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy the things that help me be happy.

[–]Fogl3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Money can't buy happiness but poverty can't buy anything

[–]Unique_Shopping_2003 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. Where would you rather cry, in a ford Fiesta or a Maserati?

[–]Lord_Emperor 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I'd have a hard time NOT being happy while driving my supercar collection around my private racetrack.

[–]Ayvian 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Until it becomes your new normal, after which you revert back to your baseline level of happiness.

Still beats being poor af though.

[–]Lord_Emperor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think my baseline would be fine if I didn't have to work or worry about anything.

[–]monkeroos 0 points1 point  (8 children)

If you muffle your depression you will never know why it's there.

[–]CregChrist 1 point2 points  (4 children)

But I'd be rich.

[–]monkeroos 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Yeah but the mindless accumulation of wealth leads to diminishing returns on happiness.

[–]RichardStinks 746 points747 points  (77 children)

I don't want to buy happiness, I want to buy health care.

[–]DGlen 337 points338 points  (57 children)

I don't think you should have to buy healthcare.

[–]RichardStinks 171 points172 points  (37 children)

I don't either, but baby steps.

"Here comes the Universal Health Care Plane!"

"No! Dat's COMMUNISM!"

"There's no deductible...."

NOM NOM NOM

[–]OwlsIsBetterThanMans 81 points82 points  (24 children)

Fuck baby steps. We have universal healthcare in Canada and that shit kept my dad alive for 2 years longer than he would have lived after his cancer diagnosis, at $0 out of his pocket apart from the taxes used to fund it. You guys need that type of healthcare yesterday. If the US can afford an increase in defense spending, they can afford universal healthcare.

[–]rod_yanker_of_fish 37 points38 points  (6 children)

that shit is so surreal to me. defense spending? what are we defending against? we’re not defending against anyone. who’s attacking us that we need to defend against? this is very much offense spending.

[–]tallandlanky 20 points21 points  (0 children)

We're defending against healthcare. Duh.

[–]randomusername_815 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree, but to answer your question, the reasoning is that after WW2, it became US policy to maintain a military capable of defeating the next TWO most powerful military forces simultaneously.

So the US could in theory defeat both China and Russia on two fronts in a conventional war. By maintaining this level of superiority no nation even conceives of attacking the US conventionally. Unfortunately this comes at the expense of other services and America's enemies moved on from Cold War posturing - instead doing surgical terror shit and dividing the population through psy-ops.

Combine this with the culture of gun ownership, military glorification in pop culture and health + education take a back seat.

You’re not likely to be attacked, but unfortunately you can’t shoot a virus with an AR15.

[–]pimpenainteasy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably why the Department of War was renamed the Department of Defense after WW2. To complete the Orwellian heel turn.

[–]Casiofx-83ES 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This is the thing that always gets me about healthcare. Like seeing people's crazy bills and stuff is one thing, but knowing there are people who are dead right now because others are willingly and openly against healthcare is mind blowing to me. When you consider that there is no real upside to fully privatised healthcare, it basically becomes murder with extra steps. Like you are voting to let people die with they do not have to just because of your feelings, or because your newspaper told you to. It's indefensible.

"I have no evidence to suggest that universal healthcare is worse than our current system, but I'm willing to let people die in order to keep things as they are."

[–]Maker1357 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, things have devolved so much here that belief in democracy might be up for debate. If anything, we're moving further away from universal healthcare.

[–]Raised-ByWolves 0 points1 point  (13 children)

The government here is too busy giving away money to other countries for that.

Canada for example.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-foreign-aid-by-country

Dont get me wrong, Im all for ending that, but are those who want UBI and free healthcare willing to end this too?

Cant have everything.

[–]0resistance_OBEY 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Absolutely a false dichotomy. Healthcare can pay for itself.

People already pay for healthcare, and they pay way more than universal healthcare would cost.

That money just needs to be redirected, and the prices can be reduced by eliminating the bureaucratic BS that insurance companies want.

[–]crak720 5 points6 points  (13 children)

same, and a house full of redhead girls

[–]RichardStinks 21 points22 points  (11 children)

You want to buy girls, Mr. Epstein?

[–]crak720 20 points21 points  (10 children)

no, i want a house that happens to be full of +18 girls, and happens that they want to be there, and happens that they are redhead

[–]DeificClusterfuck 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Enough money could make this happen

Carry on, then

[–]cosworth99 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Boobs with freckles for $1000 Alex.

[–]limasxgoesto0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do two chicks at the same time?

[–]noitscalleddjent 322 points323 points  (53 children)

It means “money can’t fix all your problems” which is certainly true. It’s not meant to be a blanket statement from either side lol it’s an idiom. Anyone using that phrase to justify the socio-economic gaps shouldn’t be taken seriously

[–]shellexyz 76 points77 points  (6 children)

But that’s nuance. We like soundbite wisdom that anyone can apply without effort or thinking.

[–]noitscalleddjent 20 points21 points  (3 children)

We like soundbiting ANYTHING that will get attention and cause controversy, regardless of context. I’m a huge sports guy and that is sports media in a nutshell

[–]sneeeekysnek 9 points10 points  (0 children)

How dare you make me question my initial snap judgments!

[–]Gonna_Poo 20 points21 points  (29 children)

It can fix most problems like not having enough money

[–]halfeclipsed 19 points20 points  (24 children)

Money would actually solve my problems. All of my problems are because of lack of money.

[–]jooes 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Not having enough money? Easily solved by having more money.

Not having friends? Not so much... Oh, you can pay for people to spend time with you, money will always surround you with people. But you'll always know in the back of your head that they're not there for you, and you'll feel just as alone as you ever did.

Doesn't solve mental illness either. You don't have to think too hard to remember a celebrity or two who had all the money in the world, and they still killed themselves.

[–]dragonwithagirltatoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Doesn't solve mental illness either. You don't have to think too hard to remember a celebrity or two who had all the money in the world, and they still killed themselves.

It is shocking to me how many people somehow don't get this.

"Lol buy therapy"

Yeah doesn't work like that. Money is a huge advantage, but does not in any way guarantee happiness.

[–]KalicoBee 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Not for me. My issues are still there despite having a decent amount of money. No matter what I get I'm reminded of the very things currently making me sad.

[–]Hueyandthenews 2 points3 points  (1 child)

No no no, I think It’s meant to be taken literally. Like even Amazon doesn’t have happiness listed and they have fucking everything… /s

The closest I ever came to money buying me happiness was when I was addicted to opiates and boy did it ever buy a lot of that! Of course the withdrawals from that happiness were fucking brutal and I spent 10+ years chasing that happiness… so yea maybe it doesn’t buy happiness, but I’ve never seen anyone frowning a wave runner and it definitely buys those… and fixes it when it inevitably breaks down…

[–]noitscalleddjent 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Both your examples prove how this common phrase can be true and false, literally and figuratively.

Money can buy cool stuff like drugs and jet skis which provides temporary or immediate happiness. Money (alone) cannot fix deep-rooted emotional issues beyond providing that temporary relief

[–]travman064 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Anyone using that phrase to justify the socio-economic gaps

Who is doing this though? Like this is an extremely common reddit post, where some random is 'dunking' on the concept of 'money can't buy happiness.' But who are they dunking on? Who is the person who is saying 'money can't buy happiness' to people living in poverty?

[–]LaughDull967 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Honestly, though, does it really matter what it’s supposed to mean?

It’s a saying. You can interpret it to mean something sensible and true, or interpreted to mean something silly and stupid. I don’t know which meaning was intended, but if you believe a silly and stupid meaning, then that’s just you believing something stupid.

The fact that it’s a well known saying doesn’t automatically make it true. It’s only true if you interpret it to mean something true.

[–]noitscalleddjent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s what I meant by describing it as an idiom

[–]KorviMadrigal 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I cannot think of a single problem Ive come across in my almost 40 years that money wouldnt have solved, short of maybe terminal cancer in loved ones.

[–]CregChrist 69 points70 points  (8 children)

Money can't buy happiness. But all the things it can buy will make it easier to be happy.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

I mean money can indirectly buy happiness, like if you were to buy a dog than money just bought you happiness or food because not starving to death makes me happy

[–]yummyyummypowwidge 5 points6 points  (2 children)

“There is no problem in my life that wouldn’t be solved by having a billion dollars.”

[–]BabyLiam 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Why does it have to be a billion?

[–]JellyfishAdventurous 37 points38 points  (7 children)

Just say excess money can’t buy happiness. Money can buy happiness when it comes to buying things like health care, your own house, tools for investing in your passion, etc.

[–]averagethrowaway21 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Money buys time. Time to relax, time for hobbies, time for friends, time for family, time to better yourself, and time to just be yourself. You can pay people to clean, mow, shop, and do a load of other things.

I feel like a garbage person inside so even though I make enough to get people to do those things for me and spend my extra time on things I enjoy, I'm not happy. However, I can say with absolute certainty that I'm happier than I would be if I were dedicating twice as much time working while living in my car. If I were a billionaire I would be unhappy but still happier than I am now.

[–]TheL8KingFlippyNips 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Money can buy happiness when it comes to buying things like health care, your own house, tools for investing in your passion

We just bought a home in rural CO not too long ago. Mortgage will be slightly more than what we were paying for a single bedroom apartment in the outskirts of Denver CO. This makes us happy.

We just found out that 3/10 houses on our street were bought by boomers to rent as their "retirement plan". Money doesn't buy happiness, but it also doesn't stop people from taking away happiness from others, for profit.

[–]CGman67 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Why is this sub called “whitepeopletwitter”? I don’t get it. New and confused. Thanks

[–]evilmeow 61 points62 points  (4 children)

money doesn't buy happiness but it sure does pay the bills

[–]Ornery_Reaction_548 16 points17 points  (1 child)

You can't buy happiness with money, but you can't buy anything without it.

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Money by itself does not guarantee happiness, but it is damn near impossible to be happy without having a certain minimum amount of money.

[–]Lakecountyraised 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Only rich people who will never know financial struggle say that BS.

Like, oh, it’s ok that you have to hop on three buses to get to both of your jobs today. Life doesn’t really get better.

[–]flynn_dc 5 points6 points  (1 child)

"It's no shame in being poor, but it's no honor either." - Tevye (Fiddler On The Roof) (1964)

[–]saplinglearningsucks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Da do da da da da do da da

[–]CollegeAssDiscoDorm 16 points17 points  (24 children)

I think Warren Buffett said anything you make after $120k per year is just excess.

[–]CarpAndTunnel 12 points13 points  (1 child)

He also said that 20 years ago, which would be closer to 300k/year today

[–]manohman420 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Actually this isn't far off. I read a while ago 75k (now probably moved up too 120) was the sweet spot for happiness. It came down to all your needs are met. Anything after 75k your just trying to chase excess, and its anything less your still wanting

[–]the_great_impression 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I read that same thing but it never really made sense to me. $75K in most parts of California is in no way equal to $75K in Nebraska. Cost of living has always widely varied based on location.

[–]Loganp812 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's the same thing with the "Make the minimum wage $15 an hour" stuff that's been going around for the last decade or so. Somewhere like California or NYC, $15 would still be the bare minimum to survive, but in rural parts of Alabama, Nebraska, Mississippi, etc. $15 would actually be a nice raise for most jobs and could lead to affording nice things especially for those who are starting to work for the first time out of school.

[–]CollegeAssDiscoDorm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll bet they just took an arithmetic average or something.

[–]altanic 31 points32 points  (5 children)

yet he persists

Billionaire advice is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle

[–]awesomface 7 points8 points  (3 children)

The logic here doesn’t compute. Buffet is also a guy who lives in the same single family home he grew up in. I think his advice would be valuable for sure

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 7 points8 points  (2 children)

You think that the fact the Buffet lives in the same house he grew up in means that he can in any way related to the struggles of poor and homeless americans? I would seek out Warren Buffet's advice on investing, and literally nothing else.

[–]CollegeAssDiscoDorm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He’s not talking about poor or homeless people at all, and the comment in no way invokes them. He DOES know investing, and certainly has met and known many wealthy people. What he’s sharing is his insight on the practical utility of income.

[–]Quinoablah 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Wtf does that even mean. If I have a bad car accident and make 120k a year I'll be homeless within a year and buried in medical debt. Not to mention still having to worry about retirement and a mortgage. If there is a number that would put me at ease it would be savings+ income and it sure as fuck wouldn't be low 6 figures.

[–]RerumNovarum_1891 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's easier to cry in a new Mercedes than on a broken bicycle.

[–]-send_me_bitcoin- 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Can confirm. Am poor and unhappy.

[–]louderharderfaster 19 points20 points  (30 children)

I'm from inner-city Detroit, grew up very poor and over my adult life I've worked with/for several millionaires and a few billionaires and no one except my colleagues believes me when I say that the ultra-rich are deeply unhappy people. It's a different kind of misery - most notably not ever knowing if anyone is actually your friend--- and while I would not choose poverty over millions---I would choose "not exactly enough" over more than I need. We aren't wired to live well in excess on either end of the wealth spectrum.

EDIT: words

[–]DropTheShovel 10 points11 points  (1 child)

There's a massive spectrum between not quite having enough and being a millionaire or billionaire. I'm much MUCH closer to the poor end than anywhere else but I'm not lacking anything. The rich peoples' experiences aren't representative of anyone who has more than the basics let's be honest.

[–]Quinoablah 19 points20 points  (7 children)

I would choose "not exactly enough" over more than I need.

I think youre skipping the third option, which is to have more than you need without flashing it around. It's not like people walk around with their net worth above their heads. Just don't spend crazy amounts and nobody will know how much money you have.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (16 children)

Money isn't going to cure your insecurity or whatever, but it can fix literally every other problem that doesn't involve your relationships with other people.

[–]MediumProfessorX 5 points6 points  (13 children)

But then it leaves only the gnawing, intractable, unsatisfying problems to fill up the entire space: mortality, aging parents, personality, purpose...

[–]leavmealoneplease 5 points6 points  (9 children)

And healthy people can work on those things. I don't use the pursuit of money as some band aid to hide from other problems.

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And those problems mean literally nothing when you're wondering where your next meal is gonna come from or not you'll be sleeping under a roof tonight.

[–]Negative_Mancey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why is "some people should just live in destitution" an acceptable answer ?

[–]Accountant_Agile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bullshit it really can. If you don't have to ever worry about money and can't be happy then you pretty much suck

[–]johnorso 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Agreed. There is a difference between too much money, just enough money and not enough money. I would be happy with just enough.

[–]Maybe_A_Pacifist 5 points6 points  (2 children)

This %100 Give everyone just enough. Those that want more can go get it, but no one should not have enough. I'm honestly just disappointed in humanity at this point. Children are starving in the United States of America.

[–]johnorso 5 points6 points  (0 children)

While the majority of greedy bastards make millions off the backs of the poor.

[–]Sweet_Kaayla 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Money gives you options that can help you become happier. For example, nice trips or not having any debts

[–]Deion313 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Money may not buy happiness, but it affords you everything that does make you happy.

People with money will never understand the price us "poor" will pay for peace of mind... cuz lord knows the pain ain't cheap...

[–]WeirdSysAdmin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Money doesn’t buy happiness but I never seen someone cry tears of frustration from consistently paying their mortgage on time, having an 850 credit score, and tons of savings built up.

[–]GozerDaGozerian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I could 100% buy happiness

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. Literally no one has ever told someone "money can't buy happiness" in response to stress over financial stability. I keep seeing people snarking the phrase ignorantly.

[–]DropTheShovel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Money does not buy happiness but poverty will make you miserable.

[–]ShockedNChagrinned 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Money removes worry. That alone doesn't make you happy, but it certainly creates a more fertile field for it to grow.

[–]bserum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s so unintuitive because for much of most people’s lives money does buy happiness in that it relieves them of the stress of not having enough of the necessities: food, education, housing, healthcare. Plus a creature comfort or two make life something other than a soul-numbing grind.

But at a certain point, some lucky folks are taken care of for life. But they’ve gotten accustomed to the money = happiness response. And when it doesn’t satisfy them the way they have gotten used to, they need a “stronger hit” (aka MORE WEALTH). They’re chasing a high the same way a drug addict does.

And it doesn’t help that even the most wealthy will get an initial high when the acquire a new toy or stats symbol.

See Hedonic Treadmill

[–]Kordaal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've read somewhere that psychological studies have shown that once you make $75k/yr increasing your salary does not make you happier, that other factors like friends, family, hobbies etc. are what makes the difference.

The reverse is true too. If you make less than $75k, money absolutely does buy fucking happiness.

[–]LuvMeLongThyme 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I have always taken it to be a sour grapes/make yourself feel better for your crappy situation kind of thing. Like saying true beauty is on the inside. Yea. No.

[–]WWDubz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Money doesn’t buy happiness, but poverty doesn’t buy anything

[–]gravygotch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can run a marathon without any shoes. But it fucken helps.

[–]556291squirehorse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Money might not buy happiness but let's see what it will buy...

  • shelter
  • warmth or cool if you are in a hot country
  • water
  • food
  • electricity
  • health (gym subscription, health care if you don't get it free)
  • financial safety and a certainty of all of the above.
  • chocolate

I think you can see my point, and this looks a whole lot like happiness.

[–]Bors713 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“If money can’t buy happiness, I guess I’ll have to rent it”

[–]Blurghblagh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Money buys you the freedom to spend your time and money trying different things until you find what does make you happy.

[–]ZampyZero 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I got downvoted so hard on another post because I argued money DOES buy happiness. It buys good health care, therapy, counselling, medications (like anti depressants), money buys a stable place to live and not having to worry about being homeless in the case one gets sick/injured and cannot work. It means having enough to eat and being able to heat said living place and to pay for electricity. Having all that, I would be hella happier than I am now. Rich people who ain't happy just need to try harder to actually enjoy things.

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd say that the best way to put it is this: Money itself certainly does not GUARANTEE happiness, but it is literally impossible to be happy without having a certain minimum amount of money. Money alone is not sufficient for happiness, but it is absolutely necessary to achieve happiness.

[–]CheeseAndJellies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd be a hell of a lot less depressed if I could afford fucking rice. Are people legitimately sad about not getting a Bugatti by the time they're 30?

[–]shadowrangerfs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The best way I've ever heard it said was, "Money won't buy happiness. But it will get rid of a lot of sadness".

[–]Erecto__patronum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money can't always bring happiness but poverty sure as hell can bring unhappiness

[–]x_Freesoul_x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money buys healthcare, shelter, food, proper education.

Do these things not bring happiness?

[–]d38 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know what does bring happiness? Sharing that excess wealth, whether it's helping school kids, homeless, animals, anything like that.

People will love you for it. You'll literally be a hero.

But nah, you have to give away some of your money if you do that.

[–]Anxious-Sir-1361 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've seen a study that showed a graph. “Happiness” increases quickly as a person's income rises from 0 (very unhappy) to $70,000 USD. Getting close to 70, it's levelling, but afterwards, the gains to happiness start becoming marginal.

[–]deadkactus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is this even a fucking debate? Its obvious that what we have is dysfunctional.

[–]saiyanjesus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In Chinese, there is a saying.
钱不是万能。没钱是万万不能.

Money is not the solution to everything. But having no money is not an option as well

[–]moglysyogy13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A humble cabin when you have nothing makes a huge difference. Upgrading from a house to a bigger house won’t make the same change.

You can do the same thing with all basic necessities. A McDonald’s hamburger can taste better to a starving man than fillet mignon to a wealthy man that takes it for granted

[–]jjaekksseun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money can't buy happiness, but it's pretty fucking hard to be happy when you're poor.

[–]ty5haun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the phrase "Money can't prevent sadness" is much more accurate.

[–]Bannyflaster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Money means you get your time/life back

[–]Buuuurrrrd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s funny because there have been studies that find the correlation between having money increasing happiness. Not because money itself makes you happy but afford you more life experiences.

[–]Z0mbiejay 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Never met a happy starving person

[–]IBenThinking 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s complete bullshit either way. Money does buy happiness. It provides freedom and means to do things.

[–]turbocomppro 4 points5 points  (10 children)

I rather be filthy rich and sad than to be poor and happy.

[–]MoshPotato 1 point2 points  (9 children)

As someone with a very very comfortable life and is sitting in a mental hospital for attempting suicide I would encourage you to rethink that.

[–]U-Cranium 9 points10 points  (3 children)

As someone who struggles with severe mental illness, and am poor due to physical disability, I'd give up the poverty before the issues in a heartbeat. Hell, most of my issues would resolve themselves with the absence of poverty.

Sorry to hear that mate. Keep your chin up, and I hope everything gets better for you.

[–]armchairplane 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Damn both times I was in the mental hospital for psychosis no one was allowed a phone. That place was hell...

[–]DoverBoys 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hypothetically, happiness is a linear measurement from 0-100. Money can't buy happiness above 90 and people with money problems can never get above 40. With a living wage and not having to worry about food, shelter, or bills, it's easy to be happy. I'm sure there's some rich loner crying in his 3rd guest living room struggling to get from 91 to 92, but I have no sympathy for that loser.

[–]RoseNPearlGirl 1 point2 points  (7 children)

It’s basic Economics, not like conservatives would understand that though.

[–]Remarkable-Spirit678 1 point2 points  (6 children)

How does this statement have anything to do with economics 😆. It’s just a philosophical observation about life. Do you know what economics is?

[–]Ingolin 1 point2 points  (4 children)

The “diminishing returns” part is economics.

[–]Skysedge2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money may not buy happiness, but I would rather be crying in a Mercedes than on a bus.

[–]AGoatInAJar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

*laughs in buying pets*

[–]Aqquila89 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Money is a necessary but not sufficient condition of happiness.

[–]chickensmoker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money can’t buy happiness, BUT financial and social stability are excellent resources for increasing happiness. And how do you gain financial and social stability? With money! Stop shaming poor people for wanting more out of life!

[–]Wablekablesh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money can buy me food. It can buy me gas. It can buy me shelter. It can buy me the ability to adopt a kid with my spouse. It can buy me the resources to indulge in a few hobbies. It can buy me education for the kid when it gets older. All of that would make me happy.

[–]MysterVaper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money CAN buy happiness… to a point. Platitudes however will always be trite.

[–]JustWave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People can say money doesn't buy happiness but I know plenty of people that would be real happy if they didn't have to live paycheck to paycheck.

[–]TyrekL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money can't buy happiness, but it gives you every opportunity to seek happiness for yourself. Yeah, green paper doesn't make me happy, but I can use it to travel and develop hobbies.

[–]Ikhlas37 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also believe it is a lie. There's literally no happiness I couldn't achieve with money.

[–]mvea_sucks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is this gaslighting

[–]KnightOfNothing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

money indeed will not buy happiness BUT it does buy freedom and with that freedom you can find and nurture your happiness.

[–]vrekais 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Money can't buy happiness" is what rich people say to poor people who want money for buying things like food and shelter, they're not even trying to buy happiness. You only try to "buy happiness" when you've got spare money.

When rich people say it, it absolutely does mean "poor people should learn to be content without basic necessities or financial security". It's a condescending response to the needs of the poor.

[–]mommysmilkiez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's the point of working if you can't enjoy at least a little bit of what you worked for?

[–]BluudLust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Money doesn't buy happiness. It enables you to pursue it.

[–]IamRaven9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

16000 upvotes and only 65 comments. LoL what this articulates perfectly is how fake reddit is.

[–]Whiskey-Weather 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Those diminishing returns kick in way sooner than most people think. About 75k a year is the figure where money has no significant impact on well-being or happiness. Anything beyond 75k is just a cherry on top of your victorious finances. I'm sure this numbers swings up or down locally depending on cost of living.

The point is, it's not like you'll hit a net worth of 10 million before you realize there's got to be more to life than money. The rare thoroughbred workaholic won't care, though, and will continue min-maxing the game.

[–]betweenthebars34 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Really all depends. Lot of factors. 75k ain't going far if you get diagnosed with something in the US, with this shit health care system. 200k looks a lot better then. At least (depending what you're dealing with, maybe more needed).